• What's the hype with Proxmox?

    From unc0nnected@1337:3/129 to All on Fri Aug 1 19:02:55 2025
    I could easily google this but it's an excuse to chat here so here I am :) I've seen a lot of articles showing up in my feed about how great proxmox is and I haven't been bothered to look too closely into it because what I have ain't broke, so why fix it?

    But I don't know what I don't know, so what I consider 'ain't broke' might look like chicken wire and duct tape compared to someones uber proxmox setup. Currently I use docker compose to do my quick iteration with docker containers or stacks, and then move them over to portainer to be managed long term once they are in a good place. For dev environments I user Coder, which makes use of terraform templates to manage and version control containers.

    What's the benefit of proxmox in this mix over some of the stuff I'm using? Where does it really shine?

    thanks

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  • From MeaTLoTioN@1337:1/101 to unc0nnected on Sat Aug 2 20:02:54 2025
    On 01 Aug 2025, unc0nnected said the following...

    I could easily google this but it's an excuse to chat here so here I am
    :) I've seen a lot of articles showing up in my feed about how great proxmox is and I haven't been bothered to look too closely into it
    because what I have ain't broke, so why fix it?

    But I don't know what I don't know, so what I consider 'ain't broke'
    might look like chicken wire and duct tape compared to someones uber proxmox setup. Currently I use docker compose to do my quick iteration with docker containers or stacks, and then move them over to portainer
    to be managed long term once they are in a good place. For dev environments I user Coder, which makes use of terraform templates to manage and version control containers.

    What's the benefit of proxmox in this mix over some of the stuff I'm using? Where does it really shine?

    Proxmox is a Type 1 hypervisor, so it installs directly on bare metal, no OS in the way. It's great for clustering too, making it easy to spin up a multi-node virtualisation setup without much faff.

    It supports both KVM for full-fat virtual machines and LXC for lightweight Linux containers, so you can mix and match depending on what you're running. If you want to go all-in, you can even use Ceph across nodes to pool storage, meaning your VMs and containers live in a shared, resilient disk cluster.

    It's dead simple to manage, comes with a nice web UI, and runs on pretty much anything, from an old laptop to a power-hungry 4U rack server and everything in between.

    Hope this helps get your juices flowing =)

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  • From unc0nnected@1337:3/129 to MeaTLoTioN on Sun Aug 3 20:30:26 2025

    What's the benefit of proxmox in this mix over some of the stuff I'm using? Where does it really shine?
    Proxmox is a Type 1 hypervisor, so it installs directly on bare metal,

    So Proxox gets installed first, before the OS? And then you have KVM's for windows/linux/whatever or LXC's for pure linux containers? I used to run vSphere back in the day, similar to that?

    It's dead simple to manage, comes with a nice web UI, and runs on pretty much anything, from an old laptop to a power-hungry 4U rack server and everything in between.

    Assuming it's pretty easy to have that WebUI served behind a VPN like tailscale or the like and then accessed remotely?

    Hope this helps get your juices flowing =)

    It does, thanks for answering. Again, well aware this would be much faster for all parties involved for me to just google or ask an AI but I'll trade efficiency for human-human BBS interaction any day of the week(and twice on sunday)

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  • From paulie420@1337:3/129 to unc0nnected on Sun Aug 3 21:43:33 2025
    So Proxox gets installed first, before the OS? And then you have KVM's for windows/linux/whatever or LXC's for pure linux containers? I used
    to run vSphere back in the day, similar to that?

    Proxmox is the OS - well, its actually built on top of Debian, but for all purposes, PVE (Proxmox) is the OS...

    Assuming it's pretty easy to have that WebUI served behind a VPN like tailscale or the like and then accessed remotely?

    You can. Easy peasy...

    It does, thanks for answering. Again, well aware this would be much faster for all parties involved for me to just google or ask an AI but I'll trade efficiency for human-human BBS interaction any day of the week(and twice on sunday)

    I <3 Proxmox - you can build anything on top of it... VMs, CTs - the w0rld is your oyster. :P



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  • From poindexter FORTRAN@1337:3/178 to MeaTLoTioN on Mon Aug 4 07:34:38 2025
    MeaTLoTioN wrote to unc0nnected <=-

    It's dead simple to manage, comes with a nice web UI, and runs on
    pretty much anything, from an old laptop to a power-hungry 4U rack
    server and everything in between.

    Second this. I work with vSphere (VMWare ESXi with central management)
    and Nutanix CE at work and found them both to be fiddly. VmWare kept
    having perfectly supportable hardware fall off of their compatibility
    list.

    Nutanix provides a full hyperconverged environment, needed a ton of RAM
    and 3 separate drives to install the "home" version.

    At home, I installed Proxmox on a broken laptop in *maybe* 15 minutes.
    Created my first VM, moved my Synchronet directory to it, and the BBS
    was up and virtual in less than an hour, tops.

    I'm just scratching the surface. It'll do high-availability, there are
    quite a few pre-made containers available, backup and mail servers
    available and it Just Works.






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  • From poindexter FORTRAN@1337:3/178 to unc0nnected on Mon Aug 4 07:34:38 2025
    unc0nnected wrote to MeaTLoTioN <=-

    So Proxox gets installed first, before the OS? And then you have KVM's for windows/linux/whatever or LXC's for pure linux containers? I used
    to run vSphere back in the day, similar to that?

    Proxmox is the OS - it's essentially just Debian, KVMN and QEMU with a
    nice web interface.


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  • From Arelor@1337:3/191 to unc0nnected on Mon Aug 4 12:22:32 2025
    Re: What's the hype with Proxmox?
    By: unc0nnected to All on Fri Aug 01 2025 07:02 pm

    But I don't know what I don't know, so what I consider 'ain't broke' might look like chicken wire and duct tape compared to someones uber proxmox setup. Currently I use docker compose to do my quick iteration with docker containers or stacks, and then move them over to portainer to be managed long term once they are in a good place. For dev environments I user Coder, which makes use of terraform templates to manage and version control containers.

    What's the benefit of proxmox in this mix over some of the stuff I'm using? Where does it really shine?

    If you have a working Docker solution then Proxmox is not even an alternative, because Proxmox is not a Docker platform.

    Proxmox Virtual Environment is just a pre-packaged virtualization solution with solid provisions for scheduled backups, which can be managed via orchestators (such as Terraform anf OpenTofu). It has provisions for High Availability and can be deployed in clusters. The whole point of it is that it comes in a docummented easy to deploy package so you can get started with minimal effort and have lots of features ready to use from minute 1.

    That is pretty much it. For most home deployments I am sure you can setup KVM/Qemu and do pretty much the same thing much of the time.


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  • From Arelor@1337:3/191 to unc0nnected on Mon Aug 4 12:24:30 2025
    Re: Re: What's the hype with Proxmox?
    By: unc0nnected to MeaTLoTioN on Sun Aug 03 2025 08:30 pm


    Assuming it's pretty easy to have that WebUI served behind a VPN like tailscale or the like and then accessed remotely?


    The WebUI is supposed to be accesed over a management LAN. If you can VPN into your management LAN from outside then you are good to go. If you are savvy you can use Let's Encrypt certificates with your internal management interface. Cool, huh?


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  • From paulie420@1337:3/129 to Arelor on Mon Aug 4 18:48:10 2025
    Proxmox Virtual Environment is just a pre-packaged virtualization
    solution with solid provisions for scheduled backups, which can be
    managed via orchestators (such as Terraform anf OpenTofu).

    This IS true, but I'll point out that I prefer to manage my Proxmox cluster (3 nodes/servers running PVE) backups using Proxmox Backup Server (PBS).

    It gives you more options for backing up PVE VMs, CTs and even other filesystems that aren't managed by PVE - if you need awesome backup tools, adding a PBS 'node' to your PVE setup is a must in my opinion...



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  • From poindexter FORTRAN@1337:3/178 to Arelor on Tue Aug 5 08:58:32 2025
    Arelor wrote to unc0nnected <=-

    If you have a working Docker solution then Proxmox is not even an alternative, because Proxmox is not a Docker platform.

    To be fair, you could easily create a Linux VM or a container and run
    Docker in there. I started with a bare Linux VM to host Docker
    containers, migrated over to a Linux LXC container to run
    Docker/portainer.

    That is pretty much it. For most home deployments I am sure you can
    setup KVM/Qemu and do pretty much the same thing much of the time.

    Proxmox' web UI is pretty nice, and clustering is handy. Not sure why
    you'd pass that up to run KVM/Qemu (which is what Proxmox is doing in
    the background)

    I don't have HA configured, but when I need to take a node down for
    maintenance I can manually move the nodes to my "spare" node, do
    whatever I need, then move them back.



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  • From poindexter FORTRAN@1337:3/178 to paulie420 on Tue Aug 5 08:58:32 2025
    paulie420 wrote to Arelor <=-

    It gives you more options for backing up PVE VMs, CTs and even other filesystems that aren't managed by PVE - if you need awesome backup
    tools, adding a PBS 'node' to your PVE setup is a must in my opinion...

    Second for PBS -- the de-duping is nice. I back up the BBS, and file
    files sections are mostly static. PBS' de-dupe ratio is running around
    12.5.



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  • From deon@1337:2/101 to unc0nnected on Mon Aug 4 19:58:12 2025
    Re: Re: What's the hype with Proxmox?
    By: unc0nnected to MeaTLoTioN on Sun Aug 03 2025 08:30 pm

    Howdy,

    Hope this helps get your juices flowing =)

    It does, thanks for answering. Again, well aware this would be much faster for all parties involved for me to just google or ask an AI but I'll trade efficiency for human-human BBS interaction any day of the week(and twice on sunday)

    So I'm a (new) fan of proxmox as well - long time ESXi advocate, but I'll admit that I think if I was given a choice, I'd probably choose proxmox.

    I have a DeskPi Super6C with 6 x Raspberry Pis CM5's in it.

    I did go down the path of getting ESXi on the CM5 - but sadly, it didnt recognise the NVE drives - or the eMMC for that matter. With broadcom taking over, not sure if they were going to continue the innovation around arm, Pi's and edge devices.

    So I'm now running a 6 node Proxmox cluster instead - using ceph. Works well, and apart from one of the CM5s going offline within days of it being set up, it hasnt missed a beat since. I think its been 2 months now.

    I may drop 3 nodes, and play with kubernetes, since 3 of CM5s are mostly idle.

    But as others have said, easy to install and use...


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  • From deon@1337:2/101 to Arelor on Tue Aug 5 15:48:31 2025
    Re: What's the hype with Proxmox?
    By: Arelor to unc0nnected on Mon Aug 04 2025 12:22 pm

    Howdy,

    If you have a working Docker solution then Proxmox is not even an alternative, because Proxmox is not a Docker platform.

    Not sure of the intent of this - but I *only* run docker containers on my arm proxmox cluster.

    But yes, there are some gotchas for running docker in proxmox, because if you run it in an lxc container, then there some permissions that you cannot elevate (if you need to elevate them).


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  • From Arelor@1337:3/191 to deon on Thu Aug 7 05:58:08 2025
    Re: What's the hype with Proxmox?
    By: deon to Arelor on Tue Aug 05 2025 03:48 pm

    Not sure of the intent of this - but I *only* run docker containers on my arm proxmox cluster.


    Paraphrasing from an Internet forum:

    "I can knock a burglar out by hitting him with a television. That does not mean a television set is a good weapon."

    Proxmox has absolutely Zero support for docker based tech because docker is out of the scope of what Proxmox tries to do. You can bolt it on. I can also knock a burglar out dropping a Proxmox server on him. Proxmox is all about VMs and LXC.

    I mean I also have "some" docker running on PVE infrastructure, but if I wanted to run docker only I would consider something else. Heck most domestic dockers you can run with docker-compose and not much else. And if you want something heavier then you have Rancher and the like.


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  • From unc0nnected@1337:3/129 to Arelor on Fri Aug 8 19:36:04 2025
    The WebUI is supposed to be accesed over a management LAN. If you can
    VPN into your management LAN from outside then you are good to go. If
    you are savvy you can use Let's Encrypt certificates with your internal management interface. Cool, huh?

    That is super cool and that's exactly what we have setup now. That and tailscale's SSL for the tailscale magic DNS stuff. I'm sold, I need to find the time to go format all of my machines now. Doesn't seem to make sense to me not to start with Proxmox from what you are saying and go from there. Even if all i plan on doing is running windows, if there's little downside/overhead why not start with Proxmox and at least leave the door open for options down the road?

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