Am 06.05.23 schrieb poindexter FORTRAN@21:4/122 in FSX_RETRO:

Hallo poindexter,

I don't remember it from a multi-tasking perspective. I did run it on a

That was right - the Geoworks apps would multitask. If memory serves, Novell DOS did task switching, and Geoworks had hooks for that in their environment. I don't recall how useful it was.

Task switching was already possible with DR DOS 6 (the background
tasks were halted).
In Novell DOS 7, one could configure either task switching or
multitasking. :)

Regards,
Anna

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Am 06.05.23 schrieb poindexter FORTRAN@21:4/122 in FSX_RETRO:

Hallo poindexter,

I was amused by the fact that Geoworks running on a 386sx with 2MB of
RAM looked just like UNIXWare running on high-end boxes at work - they
both used the same window manager.

Yes, I also liked the Motif style in GeoWorks a lot!

Interestingly, the design could be changed by exchanging a file.
I also had a file which changed the design to "CUA" design, ie.
Windows 2.x style :)
Later, a Win95-like design was also available.
And AFAIK also an OpenLook design was available - something I would
like to see in action somehow, as I love OpenLook :)

Regards,
Anna

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Unfortunately, the bulk of OS/2 use is a lot of embedded and legacy applications that are their bread and butter. Even at the price they charge it's likely they aren't making enough money to keep a lot of
people on payroll, so aren't seeing many advances. At $200 each, it
takes a *LOT* of sales to cover even one six-figure developer salary.
And most people aren't willing to pay anything for an OS.

I'd not assume their business model relies on individual B2C $200 sales inquiries. I think this is just an OK price they think may trigger some passionates to test it and to keep it reasonable for businesses to keep the same OS platform ran on more modern computers available today, while they (the companies) want to keep the old software running and being maintained (forever).

Considering it, I'd set a business model on enterprise services to support such customers who reached out to me, with a dedicated maintenance plan they can add to their OPEX plan.

FYI: Microsoft was also never so much focused on RETAIL revenue. They earns most of the Windows/Office revenue from so called Enterprise Agreements.

During my time there OEM business was less than 10% of Windows business.

-h1

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On 13 May 23 07:03:50 Commodore Clifford wrote...

To which Commodore Clifford replies...

Honestly, as an Atari guy I don't see how you can't be using Linux
Mint. :)

To which Darklord replies...

You're kidding, right? Of course I have MINT setup on my CT60 powered, 256 megs of RAM Falcon, with the Thing desktop. :)

However, MINT doesn't lend itself as well to regular ST's due mostly to
it's memory requirements. As soon as I get the STorm-ST memory setup in
my Pak 68/3 equipped STacy, I'll set it up there as well.

For 4 meg ST machines I'd highly recommend something like Geneva/Neodesk
or MagiC/Jinnee...for alternative OS's.


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On 21 May 23 23:48:02 Darklord wrote...

On 13 May 23 07:03:50 Commodore Clifford wrote...

To which Commodore Clifford replies...

Honestly, as an Atari guy I don't see how you can't be using
Linux Mint. :)

To which Darklord replies...

You're kidding, right? Of course I have MINT setup on my CT60
powered, 256 megs of RAM Falcon, with the Thing desktop. :)

However, MINT doesn't lend itself as well to regular ST's due mostly
to it's memory requirements. As soon as I get the STorm-ST memory
setup in my Pak 68/3 equipped STacy, I'll set it up there as well.

For 4 meg ST machines I'd highly recommend something like
Geneva/Neodesk or MagiC/Jinnee...for alternative OS's.

To which Commodore Clifford replies...

All good advice on the real hardware ST side... but I was talking about
you using (Ubuntu?) instead of Linux Mint. It's kinda blasphemy.


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On 28 May 23 12:34:26 Commodore Clifford wrote...

To which Commodore Clifford replies...

All good advice on the real hardware ST side... but I was talking
about you using (Ubuntu?) instead of Linux Mint. It's kinda
blasphemy.

To which Darklord replies...

Well, yes and no. It's been a long time, mind you, but I remember playing around with (non Atari) Mint and having problems with it. I tried a
couple of other things then wound up with Kubuntu Linux and just seemed
to get a long with it better sooo... :)


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On 28 May 23 22:46:06 Darklord wrote...

On 28 May 23 12:34:26 Commodore Clifford wrote...

To which Commodore Clifford replies...

All good advice on the real hardware ST side... but I was talking
about you using (Ubuntu?) instead of Linux Mint. It's kinda
blasphemy.

To which Darklord replies...

Well, yes and no. It's been a long time, mind you, but I remember
playing around with (non Atari) Mint and having problems with it. I
tried a couple of other things then wound up with Kubuntu Linux and
just seemed to get a long with it better sooo... :)

To which Commodore Clifford replies...

I used Kubuntu back when I was finishing my degree. Not a bad distro.
But the only real problem I have had with Mint in the past was when I was trying to dual boot (well, more than dual... Windows, Fedora, Red-Hat,
Mint, Kubuntu, Hackintosh... and I think there was one other in there).

Don't even ask why....

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Well, yes and no. It's been a long time, mind you, but I remember playing around with (non Atari) Mint and having problems with it. I tried a
couple of other things then wound up with Kubuntu Linux and just seemed
to get a long with it better sooo... :)

I also use Kubuntu. I'm on 23.04 and really like it. For years I used Arch with KDE Plasma, but eventually migrated to Kubuntu to simplify things a bit. Arch is great if maintaining your OS is part of your hobby, as it was mine for a long time, but I've lost interest in that of late.

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On 29 May 23 07:40:02 Commodore Clifford wrote...

To which Commodore Clifford replies...

I used Kubuntu back when I was finishing my degree. Not a bad
distro. But the only real problem I have had with Mint in the past
was when I was trying to dual boot (well, more than dual... Windows, Fedora, Red-Hat, Mint, Kubuntu, Hackintosh... and I think there was
one other in there).

Don't even ask why....

To which Darklord replies...

With you, I know better... :)



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On 29 May 23 09:38:19 esc wrote...

I also use Kubuntu. I'm on 23.04 and really like it. For years I used
Arch with KDE Plasma, but eventually migrated to Kubuntu to simplify
things a bit. Arch is great if maintaining your OS is part of your
hobby, as it was mine for a long time, but I've lost interest in that
of late.

To which Darklord replies...

I've been pretty satisfied with it over the years. I'm pretty up to date,
I just need to get a newer laptop - mine's getting pretty long in the
tooth, as they say. :)



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My wife and I went to Seattle and visited Microsoft. I saw they has a store there so I
tried to enter. It was for Employees only. Not sure why that was, but
I left very
disgruntled.

Many companies have a store where employees can shop and get a discount on the company's products. I used to work at General Electric and we had our own store - for employees only.

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Alonzo wrote to Mike Dippel <=-

Many companies have a store where employees can shop and get a discount
on the company's products. I used to work at General Electric and we
had our own store - for employees only.

Microsoft has a company store in their Mountain View, CA offices. I
went there for a "dog and pony show" back in the Windows 8 days and we
were bought lunch in the cafe (very nice) and given passes to the
employee store. They had lots of MS, Surface, Office and 365 swag, year
licenses of Office365 and Xbox Live for 70% off, and Windows 8 pro
licenses for $25 - which still work to this day on my Windows 11
system.

I bought a couple of branded pens and a nice Microsoft mug, all of
which were stolen over the next few weeks from my desk. Bastards!



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Re: Re: 386 OS/2 Woes...
By: Alonzo to Mike Dippel on Sun Apr 07 2024 01:41 am

My wife and I went to Seattle and visited Microsoft. I saw they has a
store there so I
tried to enter. It was for Employees only. Not sure why that was, but I
left very
disgruntled.

Many companies have a store where employees can shop and get a discount on the company's products. I used to work at General Electric and we had our own store - for employees only.

That's true. It sounded like what Mike was talking about was that the employee store was also open to the public from time to time. I've heard of a couple employee stores like that - Addidas, Nike, and Columbia Sportswear do that in my area. Some of them require a pass in order to get in.

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