McDoob wrote to All <=-

Got myself down to 79 tabs. Still too many, but not nearly as too many
as before...

Sorry, you may have said already, but what browser do you use? The ones I
use would overload just about any of my machines if I had that many tabs
open. The only one I can think of that might not would be Links2, but it
does not really have tabs... it would be 79 open windows for that one.




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Got myself down to 79 tabs. Still too many, but not nearly as too man as before...

Sorry, you may have said already, but what browser do you use?

Firefox, Win 11 x64

The ones
I use would overload just about any of my machines if I had that many
tabs open. The only one I can think of that might not would be Links2, but it does not really have tabs... it would be 79 open windows for that one.

I tend to forget about any resource usage on this machine. It's got 32 GB of RAM and an overclocked i5. Also, Firefox is a bit different. The tab isn't 'open' until I actually click on the tab, after starting Firefox. It stays open after that, though, which can definitely cause Firefox to wind up at full CPU usage, and somewhere north of 4 GB RAM...until I restart it...

OTOH, I rarely use the browser on any of my other computers. I would imagine they'd all start complaining pretty bad if I did. (o_-)

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McDoob wrote to Blue White <=-

Got myself down to 79 tabs. Still too many, but not nearly as too man as before...

Sorry, you may have said already, but what browser do you use?

Firefox, Win 11 x64

The ones
I use would overload just about any of my machines if I had that many
tabs open. The only one I can think of that might not would be Links2, but it does not really have tabs... it would be 79 open windows for that one.

I tend to forget about any resource usage on this machine. It's got 32
GB of RAM and an overclocked i5. Also, Firefox is a bit different. The
tab isn't 'open' until I actually click on the tab, after starting Firefox. It stays open after that, though, which can definitely cause Firefox to wind up at full CPU usage, and somewhere north of 4 GB RAM...until I restart it...

OTOH, I rarely use the browser on any of my other computers. I would imagine they'd all start complaining pretty bad if I did. (o_-)

The more power that they offer in computers, the more profligate and wasteful we become. I'm using a computer with 2G of RAM. Must admit, it originally had 1G and that wasn't enough, but 2G is just enough.

But I used to browse with multiple tabs on 384M of RAM before.

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The more power that they offer in computers, the more profligate and wasteful we become. I'm using a computer with 2G of RAM. Must admit,
it originally had 1G and that wasn't enough, but 2G is just enough.

Mostly I concur with you there... The faster we go and the more memory we
have available generally the code seems to get sloppier and larger out of proportion with its actual abilities or function.

1Gb was sufficient probably back at XP, since then and with 64bit as opposed
to 32, more memory has become a bigger requirement. I'm poking about on a
Core2 Quad as the daily compute, and for a long time functioned quite happily in 4Gb of RAM, but had to extend it to 8 after I started poking about in FO4. 4Gb left it swimming out in swap space far to much of the time, and the extra RAM picked up the performance out of sight.

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Spectre wrote to boraxman <=-

The more power that they offer in computers, the more profligate and wasteful we become. I'm using a computer with 2G of RAM. Must admit,
it originally had 1G and that wasn't enough, but 2G is just enough.

Mostly I concur with you there... The faster we go and the more memory
we have available generally the code seems to get sloppier and larger
out of proportion with its actual abilities or function.

1Gb was sufficient probably back at XP, since then and with 64bit as opposed to 32, more memory has become a bigger requirement. I'm poking about on a Core2 Quad as the daily compute, and for a long time
functioned quite happily in 4Gb of RAM, but had to extend it to 8 after
I started poking about in FO4. 4Gb left it swimming out in swap space
far to much of the time, and the extra RAM picked up the performance
out of sight.

Spec

My desktop computer has 8G of RAM, which I got in 2009. I have rarely run out of RAM, and the only times I have, it is when there was a memory leak or I ran a ramdisk and filled it up.

I do run Linux, and avoid running electron apps, and bloated stuff. The most bloated program I would run is Firefox or Brave.

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My desktop computer has 8G of RAM, which I got in 2009. I have rarely run out of RAM, and the only times I have, it is when there was a memory
leak or I ran a ramdisk and filled it up.

I do run Linux, and avoid running electron apps, and bloated stuff. The most bloated program I would run is Firefox or Brave.

No idea what electron apps are :) I use linux for the server end of things
and its still quite happy in 4Gb, strictly in CLI. My user space if not an Apple II, is usually Win7 and there's more software there that is happier
with a lot more memory.

How do you run out of RAM if you're using a ramdisk? Using tmpfs its a static size....<ponder>...

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Re: Re: Browser tabs
By: Spectre to boraxman on Wed Mar 30 2022 09:33 pm

My desktop computer has 8G of RAM, which I got in 2009. I have rarely run out
RAM, and the only times I have, it is when there was a memory
leak or I ran a ramdisk and filled it up.

I do run Linux, and avoid running electron apps, and bloated stuff. The most
bloated program I would run is Firefox or Brave.

No idea what electron apps are :) I use linux for the server end of things and its still quite happy in 4Gb, strictly in CLI. My user space if not an Apple I
is usually Win7 and there's more software there that is happier
with a lot more memory.

How do you run out of RAM if you're using a ramdisk? Using tmpfs its a static
size....<ponder>...

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Electron is a framework which essentially loads a whole Chromium engine in order to
launch applications. It is quite resource hungry. Some developers like it because
developing with Electron is a lot like developing web apps, or so I have heard.

If you use a big ramdisk, you have less RAM for doing actual computing. ie. if you
have 1000 megs and you load a ramdisk worth 600, now your applications have only 400
megs for allocating memory.


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How do you run out of RAM if you're using a ramdisk? Using tmpfs its
a static size....<ponder>...

If you use a big ramdisk, you have less RAM for doing actual computing.

While that's true, the original statement seemed to be, I ran out of memory because I filled tha RAM drive. That doesn't make much sense to me, once you create the volume the RAM is already allocated, full or empty shouldn't make much difference... Of course I might the memory allocation theory wrong...
and its done dynamically... but that seems... dangerous and unlikely to me.

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My desktop computer has 8G of RAM, which I got in 2009. I have rarel out of RAM, and the only times I have, it is when there was a memory leak or I ran a ramdisk and filled it up.

I do run Linux, and avoid running electron apps, and bloated stuff. most bloated program I would run is Firefox or Brave.

No idea what electron apps are :) I use linux for the server end of things and its still quite happy in 4Gb, strictly in CLI. My user space if not an Apple II, is usually Win7 and there's more software there that is happier with a lot more memory.

How do you run out of RAM if you're using a ramdisk? Using tmpfs its a static size....<ponder>...

Electron is an application framework. Actually, Electron apps are web based apps, but they are distributed with what is essentially a browser to run them. So each time you run an electron app, you run a separate browser. It can get quite heavy when you run multiple electron apps, like Discord and VSCode.

tmpfs is a static size, but you can set it to be larger than default, which is half of your ram. There is also ramfs, which doesn't have a limit. It is using ramfs where I ran out. I used to use ramfs, but have since switched to tmpfs.

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If you use a big ramdisk, you have less RAM for doing actual computin

While that's true, the original statement seemed to be, I ran out of memory because I filled tha RAM drive. That doesn't make much sense to me, once you create the volume the RAM is already allocated, full or
empty shouldn't make much difference... Of course I might the memory allocation theory wrong... and its done dynamically... but that seems... dangerous and unlikely to me.

With Linux, you have three ram backed pseudo-devices. There is /dev/ramX, which is a fixed size block device. It is not ready to be used as a disk, as it is just a block device, you need to format it first.

There is ramfs, which is a ram based drive, and tmpfs, which is very similar. These operate in a similar manner to the Linux filesystem cache. You can mount a filesystem of type ramfs or tmpfs and use them immediately and use their own filesystem type which is POSIX-like. Ramfs is older, and exists solely in RAM. By default, I believe it had no limit by default, and it couldn't be swapped out, so you could fill your RAM. Tmpfs has a mount option to limit the size (it by default limits its to 50% physical RAM) and it can be swapped out.

Some Linux systems will use tmpfs for /tmp, but I generally also mount another tmpfs drive under /mnt/tempfs as a temporary scratch space.

Using ramfs in the old days, without specifing an upper limits could result in you leaving very very little physical RAM for the rest of your systems operations.

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While that's true, the original statement seemed to be, I ran out of memory because I filled tha RAM drive. That doesn't make much sense to me, once you create the volume the RAM is already allocated, full or
empty shouldn't make much difference... Of course I might the memory allocation theory wrong... and its done dynamically... but that seems... dangerous and unlikely to me.

Spec

I should also add, the only RAM that is used is that occupied by files. If you have a 6G tmpfs drive with 200MB of files on it, it will occupy only 200MB of ram. Delete the files, the RAM is freed.

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Spectre wrote to boraxman <=-

How do you run out of RAM if you're using a ramdisk? Using tmpfs its a static size....<ponder>...

Whatever you do, don't swap out the swapper.

(old *nix joke)




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boraxman wrote to Spectre <=-

I should also add, the only RAM that is used is that occupied by files.
If you have a 6G tmpfs drive with 200MB of files on it, it will occupy only 200MB of ram. Delete the files, the RAM is freed.

That's a nice feature. The only time I played around with RAM drives was in the old 286/386 era, with slow IDE drives. You'd create a little RAM disk in EMS to put command.com and a couple of utilities you used a lot, and use
the rest as a cache. There was a sweet spot you'd have to find by taking
cache RAM for the RAM disk.

Oh, the things we did when we had 4MB of RAM. :)


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Some Linux systems will use tmpfs for /tmp, but I generally also mount another tmpfs drive under /mnt/tempfs as a temporary scratch space.

When I installed Linux Mint on my laptop, I used tmpfs for /tmp and /var/log. I didn't want them using half of the 16 GB of RAM in it, so I limited each to 1 or 2 GB, not exactly sure which.

It is especially important to me, when running a 'hybrid' storage system (i.e. an SSD *and* an HDD in the same system), to make sure that certain parts of the filesystem are not mounted on the SSD. Obviously, a lot of reads and writes to the SSD isn't great, and mine's only 64 GB, while the HDD is a half TB. I *think* my fstab looks somewhat like:

/boot sda1 (SSD)
/ sda2

swap sdb1 (HDD)
/var sdb2
/usr sdb3
/home sdb4

/tmp tmpfs (RAM)
/var/log tmpfs

Obviously, this isn't exactly what's in fstab on my laptop, but it's not currently on my lap, and I'm a bit too lazy to go look it up. I believe that's how the filesystem is set up though, or at least very similar.

Also, I might have combined /usr and /var into one partition on the HDD. I have done that in the past, and I'm not sure if I did so on the laptop...

Man, it's so friggin' *great* to say stuff like that, and know that the person on the other end of the conversation isn't going glass-eyed with incomprehension! There's literally nobody in my real-life social circle that knows how to talk tech!

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That's a nice feature. The only time I played around with RAM drives was in the old 286/386 era, with slow IDE drives. You'd create a little RAM disk in EMS to put command.com and a couple of utilities you used a
lot, and use the rest as a cache. There was a sweet spot you'd have to find by taking cache RAM for the RAM disk.

Oh, the things we did when we had 4MB of RAM. :)

There are plenty of utilities that still do exactly this. It's a paid product, but I fully encourage you to check out PrimoCache's 30-day trial. The license is not per-computer, it's per customer; if you do a format, you can email them and ask for a license reset. However, you can't use the license on multiple computers simultaneously, unless you've paid for a multi-use licence.

While SATA certainly is faster than ye olde IDE interface, it is just as slow when compared to the NVME interface, which is pretty exclusively SSD territory. This is why I still use PrimoCache for my platter drives in T3H_B33ST. RAM (and NVME SSDs) will *always* be faster than a HDD, but the per-GB price crown still belongs to the HDD...

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McDoob wrote to boraxman <=-

It is especially important to me, when running a 'hybrid' storage
system (i.e. an SSD *and* an HDD in the same system), to make
sure that certain parts of the filesystem are not mounted on the
SSD. Obviously, a lot of reads and writes to the SSD isn't great,
and mine's only 64 GB, while the HDD is a half TB. I *think* my
fstab looks somewhat like:

I think you are confusing SSD and SD (card). There are no real limits/restrictions/worries about reads/writes to a modern SSD.


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I think you are confusing SSD and SD (card). There are no real limits/restrictions/worries about reads/writes to a modern SSD.

I wasn't, but you make a good point.

However, I can't say that any part of my laptop qualifies as 'modern' any more. 1st-gen i7 and DDR2 (maybe DDR3, not going to check). The SSD isn't exactly new, either. I like to think of it like a classic muscle car. It looks sexy, but the technology isn't the same.

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Re: Re: Browser tabs
By: poindexter FORTRAN to boraxman on Thu Mar 31 2022 06:54 am

That's a nice feature. The only time I played around with RAM drives was in the old 286/386 era, with slow IDE drives. You'd create a little RAM disk in EMS to put command.com and a couple of utilities you used a lot, and use the rest as a cache. There was a sweet spot you'd have to find by taking cache RAM for the RAM disk.

Oh, the things we did when we had 4MB of RAM. :)

I did that occasionally. But more often, I had a disk cache TSR that I used in DOS that would cache frequently-used programs & files in RAM to speed up access. A similar effect to a RAM disk, but more dynamic than putting a fixed set of files on a RAM disk.

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Re: Re: Browser tabs
By: poindexter FORTRAN to boraxman on Thu Mar 31 2022 06:54 am

I did that occasionally. But more often, I had a disk cache TSR that I used in DOS that would cache frequently-used programs & files in RAM to speed up access. A similar effect to a RAM disk, but more dynamic than putting a fixed set of files on a RAM disk.

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I wonder how many tabs you can have on an iPad.

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Re: Re: Browser tabs
By: The Millionaire to Nightfox on Thu Mar 31 2022 02:16 pm

I did that occasionally. But more often, I had a disk cache TSR that
I used in DOS that would cache frequently-used programs & files in RAM
to speed up access. A similar effect to a RAM disk, but more dynamic
than putting a fixed set of files on a RAM disk.

I wonder how many tabs you can have on an iPad.

I don't know what that has to do with disk caches, but as far as iPad browser tabs, that would depend on the web browser app you're using and the available memory available, etc..

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I did that occasionally. But more often, I had a disk cache TSR that
I used in DOS that would cache frequently-used programs & files in RAM
to speed up access. A similar effect to a RAM disk, but more dynamic
than putting a fixed set of files on a RAM disk.

I wonder how many tabs you can have on an iPad.

I don't know what that has to do with disk caches, but as far as iPad browser tabs, that would depend on the web browser app you're using and the available memory available, etc..

And this is why I don't browse on a mobile device. Beyond the Crapple vs Awesome-droid argument, there's also hardware limits, like RAM, and screen size.

At our age, who wants to squint at a palm-sized screen, when there's a wall-sized screen available? Personally, my headaches are less when I squint at my 'monitor'...

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Re: Re: Browser tabs
By: McDoob to Nightfox on Thu Mar 31 2022 06:43 pm

And this is why I don't browse on a mobile device. Beyond the Crapple vs Awesome-droid argument, there's also hardware limits, like RAM, and screen size.

At our age, who wants to squint at a palm-sized screen, when there's a wall-sized screen available? Personally, my headaches are less when I squint at my 'monitor'...

So you *never* use a web browser on a mobile device?

I generally prefer using a regular screen for web browsing too, but sometimes I'm not near a regular PC screen.

Many web sites are designed with mobile in mind, and if they detect you're using a mobile web browser, they adjust the font and things appropriately to be a bit bigger, so that things are easier to read. I've actually rarely had to squint when reading a web page on my smartphone.

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And this is why I don't browse on a mobile device. Beyond the Crapple Awesome-droid argument, there's also hardware limits, like RAM, and s size.

At our age, who wants to squint at a palm-sized screen, when there's wall-sized screen available? Personally, my headaches are less when I squint at my 'monitor'...

So you *never* use a web browser on a mobile device?

No, not *never*...but...rarely...

I generally prefer using a regular screen for web browsing too, but sometimes I'm not near a regular PC screen.

Well, that's the difference between you and me, I guess. Between job and personal life, there's nowhere where I can't find a full-size 'monitor'...

PS: In case nobody told you, your 'smart' phone fits the definition of 'monitor' better than any video display! Different topic for a different 'net..

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Oh, the things we did when we had 4MB of RAM. :)

4MB? We used to dream of 4MB. Never had a 286 with more than 1 although I
did see the odd one with 2 in them.

in the old 286/386 era, with slow IDE drives. You'd create a little
RAM disk in EMS to put command.com and a couple of utilities
you used a lot, and use the rest as a cache. There was a sweet
spot you'd have to find by taking cache RAM for the RAM disk.

Back in them there days, I'd have the 384k hi memory as a ramdrive and
shuffle all the BBS menus and screens onto it. It was a toss up though.. although it made BBS response time fast, cacheing could give more general advantages. Once the BBS files got over 384k though it was cache all the way, althought RAMDrives on network machines was always interesting. Cache at the receiving end, RAMdrive at remote was still pretty quick.

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/boot sda1 (SSD) /sda2
swap sdb1 (HDD) /var sdb2 /usr sdb3 /home sdb4

Not sure what happened to quoting there...

I miss the days fstab looked like that.. but its full of UIDs these days and far less legible at a glance.

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I think you are confusing SSD and SD (card). There are no real limits/restrictions/worries about reads/writes to a modern SSD.

Not so sure about that, like any memory device, it'll have some limit on writes. In some ways SSD's suit blocks of monolithic data better than they do an active system.

Although you can mitigate the problem by ensuring all blocks across the
medium are written to it doesn't make the problem go away, and having things like logs or other "trivial" high turnover items on spinning rust if you need permanency or RAM disk if you don't care still makes some sense...

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I did that occasionally. But more often, I had a disk cache TSR that I used in DOS that would cache frequently-used programs & files in RAM to speed up access. A similar effect to a RAM disk, but more dynamic than putting a fixed set of files on a RAM disk.

My use case was pretty specific but back at 286 it was ramdrive first, and if it was overfilled go to cache. Once we got to a 386 with more memory and better management thereof it became a split. I couldn't multitask over my network drivers so all the higher memory was available I'd split it between
RAM for the really frequent small files, menus, screens etc, and the rest as cache which improved not only local drives but network drives out of sight. Also because the DOS TSRS were pretty dumb you'd have to tell it now to cache the ramdrive :P

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/boot sda1 (SSD) /sda2
swap sdb1 (HDD) /var sdb2 /usr sdb3 /home sdb4

Not sure what happened to quoting there...

Apparently, I broke it! (^_^) Here's hoping that you understood that these belong on separate lines!

I miss the days fstab looked like that.. but its full of UIDs these days and far less legible at a glance.

And this is why I made it clear, more than once, that my fstab doesn't actually look like that. I feel you, brother! Down with UUIDs! Bring back the almost-easy-to-understand semi-intelligible nonsense! (O_O)

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Spectre wrote to Gamgee <=-

I think you are confusing SSD and SD (card). There are no real limits/restrictions/worries about reads/writes to a modern SSD.

Not so sure about that, like any memory device, it'll have some
limit on writes. In some ways SSD's suit blocks of monolithic
data better than they do an active system.

Yes, that's all true, no argument. But, the limit is likely measured
in years of normal use, like at least 10-12. Usually by then you'd
probably want to be replacing a drive anyway, or the entire computer
would be retired/upgraded.

Although you can mitigate the problem by ensuring all blocks
across the medium are written to it doesn't make the problem go
away, and having things like logs or other "trivial" high
turnover items on spinning rust if you need permanency or RAM
disk if you don't care still makes some sense...

Agreed, and there are other measures one can take too, like 'noatime'
in /etc/fstab (at least on Linux, don't know about Winders), and
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Yes, that's all true, no argument. But, the limit is likely measured
in years of normal use, like at least 10-12. Usually by then you'd probably want to be replacing a drive anyway, or the entire computer
would be retired/upgraded.

:P You're talking to the guy that gets his "new" computer off the side of
the road... I'm probably the exception rather than the rule but I have much "semi-vintage" hardware... and use weird hardware for strange tasks :) Like
a Sophos UTM for a file server and router.

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That's a nice feature. The only time I played around with RAM drives was in the old 286/386 era, with slow IDE drives. You'd create a little RAM disk in EMS to put command.com and a couple of utilities you used a
lot, and use the rest as a cache. There was a sweet spot you'd have to find by taking cache RAM for the RAM disk.

Oh, the things we did when we had 4MB of RAM. :)

I had a small ramdrive for my XT where I put command.com and maybe an archiver, I think it was lha. That was a system with 640K of RAM, and I felt free to reserve a little for a few utilities!

I did also occasionally use it with my 386, which had 4M of RAM, for speed on rare occasions when doing some file transformation.

When moving to Windows, I didn't use it, because I didn't think it had a ramdrive, but I started again later in Linux, just to stop files being persistent. I could just unzip stuff I didn't need to keep and not worry about them hitting the platter. With the next system, the one I have now, with 8G of ram, the ramdrive, tmpfs, is the perfect place to temporarily store intermediate files, ISO images that I've created to burn to a disk and won't keep, etc.

--- Mystic BBS v1.12 A47 2021/12/24 (Linux/64)
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When I installed Linux Mint on my laptop, I used tmpfs for /tmp and /var/log. I didn't want them using half of the 16 GB of RAM in it, so I limited each to 1 or 2 GB, not exactly sure which.

It is especially important to me, when running a 'hybrid' storage system (i.e. an SSD *and* an HDD in the same system), to make sure that certain parts of the filesystem are not mounted on the SSD. Obviously, a lot of reads and writes to the SSD isn't great, and mine's only 64 GB, while
the HDD is a half TB. I *think* my fstab looks somewhat like:

Well, you don't need to worry unless you actually dump 8G of data onto the drives. I have my tmpfs set at 6G, and I have 8G of ram. If I fill it, it can get tight, but I keep it over 4G because I sometimes want to temporarily create a DVD ISO image on it. I do this basically to save writing to the disk.

/boot sda1 (SSD)
/ sda2

swap sdb1 (HDD)
/var sdb2
/usr sdb3
/home sdb4

/tmp tmpfs (RAM)
/var/log tmpfs

Obviously, this isn't exactly what's in fstab on my laptop, but it's not currently on my lap, and I'm a bit too lazy to go look it up. I believe that's how the filesystem is set up though, or at least very similar.

Also, I might have combined /usr and /var into one partition on the HDD.
I have done that in the past, and I'm not sure if I did so on the laptop...

I keep /var separate because it is updated frequently, whereas / is not updated as much. The idea was to avoid fragmentation on the root partition by separating constantly changing files. /home is separate, and I have multiple /storage partitions for well, storage of big data files.

root, var and home are on SSDs, as well as a windows shared parition, whereas everything else is on hard disks.

Putting /var on the SSD sped up things quite a bit, so it seemed worth it. Avoiding writes to SSD's doesn't seem that important. From what I've read, they can take a lot of writes, a LOT and its only really if you were running a really busy mail server, or something like that, where it would become a problem. So I've learned not to worry, but I keep /tmp on tmpfs.

Why have /usr on a HDD? You'll get a great improvement moving that (and to a lesser degree /var) to the SSD.

Man, it's so friggin' *great* to say stuff

like that, and know that the Mc> person on the other end of the conversation isn't going glass-eyed with Mc> incomprehension! There's literally nobody in my real-life social circle Mc> that knows how to talk tech!


Same here. I do have a friend or two that "know tech", but only relating to their job, which is niche application development for Windows, and to them, its just a job, a way to create an app to get paid.

I do have one friend into this, who I inspired to covert to Linux many years ago, but alas, he moved overseas. We both liked those little hacks and configs that could improve your system, making the most of the tools.

I have to say, I'm not really into "tech" per se. Smartphones, the metaverse, consumer technology like Alexa, Google Next, Connecting your car to your phone, these don't interest me in the slightest. When it comes to "gadgets", I'm one of the least interest people you'll meet. My interest is in computing tools, making machines do things at a more fundamental level, my own setups, builds. Cool ways to build tools to serve your own workflows, this I find most people aren't interested in, sadly.

--- Mystic BBS v1.12 A47 2021/12/24 (Linux/64)
* Origin: Agency BBS | Dunedin, New Zealand | agency.bbs.nz (21:1/101)

fundamental level, my own setups, builds. Cool ways to build tools to serve your own workflows, this I find most people aren't interested in, sadly.

Remember AppleWorks at all? Ye olde antique spreadsheet, word processor, database for the Apple II. None of it was terribly well integrated in the sense it was hard to shift data from one of the applications to the next.
There were plenty of third party options to help overcome the deficiency but
it was somewhat clunky. There was a guy at the pooty club that ran his
entire business as a solicitor on a IIc. He had gotten enough macros and alterations together to be able to call up any client and their history.
Super custom macros and workflow going on there...

Spec


*** THE READER V4.50 [freeware]
--- SuperBBS v1.17-3 (Eval)
* Origin: The future's uncertain, the end is always near. (21:3/101)

Remember AppleWorks at all? Ye olde antique spreadsheet, word processor, database for the Apple II. None of it was terribly well integrated in
the sense it was hard to shift data from one of the applications to the next. There were plenty of third party options to help overcome the deficiency but it was somewhat clunky. There was a guy at the pooty
club that ran his entire business as a solicitor on a IIc. He had gotten enough macros and alterations together to be able to call up any client and their history. Super custom macros and workflow going on there...

Spec

Never heard of AppleWorks. The "Application" style of software development was kind of a mistake I think, in part because people wanted to sell solutions. The better model is to make functions, and then turn your whole computer/operating system into a cohesive information/data management system.

Those old 80's microcomputers were fun to use though.

--- Mystic BBS v1.12 A47 2021/12/24 (Linux/64)
* Origin: Agency BBS | Dunedin, New Zealand | agency.bbs.nz (21:1/101)

Never heard of AppleWorks. The "Application" style of software

Yer edjumacation's been neglected. :) First of its kind... there was no way
an Apple IIe with ProDOS would've been able to manage any more. MS-Works was the PC option from Billware...

Spec


*** THE READER V4.50 [freeware]
--- SuperBBS v1.17-3 (Eval)
* Origin: The future's uncertain, the end is always near. (21:3/101)

Yer edjumacation's been neglected. :) First of its kind... there was no way an Apple IIe with ProDOS would've been able to manage any more. MS-Works was the PC option from Billware...

Spec

I may have just forgotten about it, but it doesn't ring any bells. We had Apple II's at Primary School and I don't remember seeing this software. I wouldn't have seen it anywhere else, and I didn't really get into computers until I was a teenager, at which point the Apple II's were obsolete and being replaced at school with 286's.

--- Mystic BBS v1.12 A47 2021/12/24 (Linux/64)
* Origin: Agency BBS | Dunedin, New Zealand | agency.bbs.nz (21:1/101)

Remember AppleWorks at all? Ye olde antique spreadsheet, word processor, database for the Apple II. None of it was terribly well integrated in

Not everyone is as old as you, or an AppleII evangelist... :P

ST

--- Mystic BBS v1.12 A46 2020/08/26 (Linux/64)
* Origin: Storm BBS (21:2/108)

McDoob wrote to poindexter FORTRAN <=-

product, but I fully encourage you to check out PrimoCache's 30-day
trial. The license is not per-computer, it's per customer; if you do a format, you can email them and ask for a license reset. However, you
can't use the license on multiple computers simultaneously, unless
you've paid for a multi-use licence.

While SATA certainly is faster than ye olde IDE interface, it is just
as slow when compared to the NVME interface, which is pretty
exclusively SSD territory. This is why I still use PrimoCache for my platter drives in T3H_B33ST. RAM (and NVME SSDs) will *always* be
faster than a HDD, but the per-GB price crown still belongs to the
HDD...

The few remaining spinning drives I have that I'd use as a boot drive are Seagate Barracudas - they're 500gb hybrid SATA drives, a standard SATA drive with 4GB of cache stuck on the side. They boot up like a normal drive, but once the cache fills up, feel like halfway between an SSD and a SATA drive with regards to speed. They were a nice compromise between speed and cost before SSD prices came down.


... Where is the center of the maze?
--- MultiMail/DOS v0.52
* Origin: realitycheckBBS.org -- information is power. (21:4/122)

The few remaining spinning drives I have that I'd use as a boot drive
are Seagate Barracudas - they're 500gb hybrid SATA drives, a standard

I use spinning rust for almost everything still. There is a lone SSD in the daily drive. Maybe the rest of my antique isn't up to maxing out the speed possibilities, but I don't notice the speed difference in use terms... its
not like I get the stopwatch and time windows boot or anything though.

It might be one of those odd cases where I won't notice till I go back to an
HD for primary boot.

ST

--- Mystic BBS v1.12 A46 2020/08/26 (Linux/64)
* Origin: Storm BBS (21:2/108)

I use spinning rust for almost everything still. There is a lone SSD in the daily drive. Maybe the rest of my antique isn't up to maxing out the speed possibilities, but I don't notice the speed difference in use terms... its not like I get the stopwatch and time windows boot or anything though.

Bloody Hell, man! If you see rust on your machine, why would you even be bothered by our talk about SSD's? "Hard Drive 4 Life", obviously!

I literally wrote that, with 'indelible' ink, on my last hard drive, just before I sold it for an SSD...Because I love sarcasm...and stupid people...

McDoob
SysOp, PiBBS
pibbs.sytes.net

... How is it possible to have a civil war?

--- Mystic BBS v1.12 A47 2021/12/24 (Raspberry Pi/32)
* Origin: PiBBS (21:4/135)

Bloody Hell, man! If you see rust on your machine, why would you even be bothered by our talk about SSD's? "Hard Drive 4 Life", obviously!

Despite the obvious issues with thermodynamics, the life of the Hard Drive
will only be exceeded by the punch card.. I have a roomfull of those just waiting to go...

I literally wrote that, with 'indelible' ink, on my last hard drive, just before I sold it for an SSD...Because I love sarcasm...and stupid

And was that indelibly stupid or sarcastic, or both?

ST

--- Mystic BBS v1.12 A46 2020/08/26 (Linux/64)
* Origin: Storm BBS (21:2/108)

I literally wrote that, with 'indelible' ink, on my last hard drive, before I sold it for an SSD...Because I love sarcasm...and stupid

And was that indelibly stupid or sarcastic, or both?

Indelibly sarcastic, I assure you.

There is no stupid on this side of the keyboard. (^_^)

McDoob
SysOp, PiBBS
pibbs.sytes.net

... DOS=HIGH? I knew it was on something...

--- Mystic BBS v1.12 A47 2021/12/24 (Raspberry Pi/32)
* Origin: PiBBS (21:4/135)

Bloody Hell, man! If you see rust on your machine, why would you even be bothered by our talk about SSD's? "Hard Drive 4 Life", obviously!

I literally wrote that, with 'indelible' ink, on my last hard drive, just before I sold it for an SSD...Because I love sarcasm...and stupid

Erm ok, I think its going to be some time before SSDs arrive in my shop of preference. The Long Shop has notoriously long wait times for new technology although occasionally you can get real lucky.

So which side of that equation are you on? :P

Spec


*** THE READER V4.50 [freeware]
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Erm ok, I think its going to be some time before SSDs arrive in my shop
of preference. The Long Shop has notoriously long wait times for new technology although occasionally you can get real lucky.

So which side of that equation are you on? :P

That's not an easy question to answer, anymore...

These days, I'd literally spend an entire build budget just for a GPU! (Q_Q)

I'm not kidding! My last build project was only $2k total! That entire $2k would only buy the second-best GPU, today...and don't even bother trying to use it, because you can't afford the rest of the computer! \(@_@)/

McDoob
SysOp, PiBBS
pibbs.sytes.net

... I don't have the time for a hobby. I have a computer.

--- Mystic BBS v1.12 A47 2021/12/24 (Raspberry Pi/32)
* Origin: PiBBS (21:4/135)

How many of you are like me?

It sometimes feels like I open more browser tabs than I close on any
particular day. I have 32GB of RAM in this computer, which helps...but I know it's having a negative effect on performance.

Currently, I have...173! \(@_@)/ open tabs in Firefox, a dozen (or so) which are important to my personal network or PiBBS. Another dozen (at least) are YouTube vids waiting for my eyeballs. Maybe fifty are things I'm still
thinking about/working on. The rest are either 'in queue' or 'orphaned'.

And it's the orphaned part that bothers me. I do try to clean up my tabs
every once in a while, but the orphans seem to multiply faster than I can get rid of them!

And, importantly, do you have *any* idea how hard it is to find a single tab, out of nearly two hundred? (Q_Q)

Is it just me, being a scatterbrain? (o_O)

McDoob
SysOp, PiBBS
pibbs.sytes.net

--- Mystic BBS v1.12 A46 2020/08/26 (Raspberry Pi/32)
* Origin: PiBBS (21:4/135)

On 20 Mar 22 17:19:32, Mcdoob said the following to All:

It sometimes feels like I open more browser tabs than I close on any particular day. I have 32GB of RAM in this computer, which helps...but I kno it's having a negative effect on performance.

I actually hate tabbed browsing. I use Seamonkey whenever possible.

Atreyu

--- Renegade vY2Ka2
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It sometimes feels like I open more browser tabs than I close on any particular day. I have 32GB of RAM in this computer, which helps...but it's having a negative effect on performance.

I actually hate tabbed browsing. I use Seamonkey whenever possible.

I literally could not live without them. How would I know what I'm supposed
to be a 'knowitall' about? (o_O)

PS: Eff you, Ward...

McDoob
SysOp, PiBBS
pibbs.sytes.net

--- Mystic BBS v1.12 A46 2020/08/26 (Raspberry Pi/32)
* Origin: PiBBS (21:4/135)

How many of you are like me?

It sometimes feels like I open more browser tabs than I close on any particular day. I have 32GB of RAM in this computer, which helps...but I know it's having a negative effect on performance.

Currently, I have...173! \(@_@)/ open tabs in Firefox, a dozen (or so) which are important to my personal network or PiBBS. Another dozen (at least) are YouTube vids waiting for my eyeballs. Maybe fifty are things I'm still thinking about/working on. The rest are either 'in queue' or 'orphaned'.
Is it just me, being a scatterbrain? (o_O)

I close my browser every day and usually a few times a day. I never have tabs open unless I'm going to read what's in them immediately.

My wife on the other hand is just like you. So yes, you're both scatterbrained! lol /jk

--- Mystic BBS v1.12 A48 2022/03/11 (Raspberry Pi/32)
* Origin: 2o fOr beeRS bbs>>>20ForBeers.com:1337 (21:2/150)

On 20 Mar 2022, McDoob said the following...

Currently, I have...173! \(@_@)/ open tabs in Firefox, a dozen (or so) which are important to my personal network or PiBBS. Another dozen (at least) are YouTube vids waiting for my eyeballs.

How many of you are like me?

I used to be like that, now I have exactly two tabs open at the moment. When I'm done for today, I'll close Firefox and there will be no tabs open.

Anything I want to save or come back to later now gets saved in Pocket where I can tag it with whatever (Work, BBS, Finance, Python, LoRa) so I can easily find it later. There are several similar services (Instapaper, Google Keep, Raindrop) if Pocket is not your bag.

If you want to go the self hosted route there's wallabag, but I've not given it a try.


Jay

... If it ain't broke, don't fix it.

--- Mystic BBS v1.12 A48 2022/03/11 (Raspberry Pi/32)
* Origin: Northern Realms (21:3/110)

I close my browser every day and usually a few times a day. I never have tabs open unless I'm going to read what's in them immediately.

My wife on the other hand is just like you. So yes, you're both scatterbrained! lol /jk

For the record, those tabs are still waiting, when you re-open your browser...don't ask me how I know...

Also, is your wife single? Wanna /jk me again? (o_-)

I am the wisest of guys, and the smartest of asses, sir...(^_^)/

McDoob
SysOp, PiBBS
pibbs.sytes.net

--- Mystic BBS v1.12 A46 2020/08/26 (Raspberry Pi/32)
* Origin: PiBBS (21:4/135)

I used to be like that, now I have exactly two tabs open at the moment. When I'm done for today, I'll close Firefox and there will be no tabs open.

Anything I want to save or come back to later now gets saved in Pocket where I can tag it with whatever (Work, BBS, Finance,
Python, LoRa) so I can easily find it later. There are several similar services (Instapaper, Google Keep, Raindrop) if Pocket is not your bag.

If you want to go the self hosted route there's wallabag, but I've not given it a try.

Please tell me more about this, O warped slide. I would enjoy hearing your suggestions. I literally cannot control my tab growth!

McDoob
SysOp, PiBBS
pibbs.sytes.net

--- Mystic BBS v1.12 A46 2020/08/26 (Raspberry Pi/32)
* Origin: PiBBS (21:4/135)

On 20 Mar 22 18:42:09, Mcdoob said the following to Atreyu:

I actually hate tabbed browsing. I use Seamonkey whenever possible.

I literally could not live without them. How would I know what I'm supposed to be a 'knowitall' about? (o_O)

To each his own... At least you're not one to quote Wikipedia to me as being undisputed fact.

PS: Eff you, Ward...

Ward isn't on Othernets...

Atreyu

--- Renegade vY2Ka2
* Origin: Joey, do you like movies about gladiators? (21:1/176)

To each his own... At least you're not one to quote Wikipedia to me as being undisputed fact.

Unlike *some* people, who may or may not post in certain political echos,
which may or may not exist on certain Othernets that also may or may not exist...

PS: Eff you, Ward...

Ward isn't on Othernets...

Why do you think I said that here? (o_-)

But...Fido *is* an Othernet, if fsxNet is your home, yes?

Maybe I should spend my energy on other...Othernets? I mean, fsxNet is a great place to call home! The same can't always be said for ol' Fido.

This doesn't mean I want to stop participating in Fidonet. Some of the people I've met are clearly just as 'good' as I am, if not better.

For instance, there's this guy named Nick, who I thought lived in Quebec...great sense of humour, that guy! (o_-)

McDoob
SysOp, PiBBS
pibbs.sytes.net

--- Mystic BBS v1.12 A46 2020/08/26 (Raspberry Pi/32)
* Origin: PiBBS (21:4/135)

On 20 Mar 2022, McDoob said the following...

Please tell me more about this, O warped slide. I would enjoy hearing
your suggestions.

Basically at the end of the night anything I still have open I'll hit the "save to Pocket" button that's built into Firefox and add one or more tags to it. (Well, not just things I have open at the end of the night, anything I may ever want to go back to, I even have recipes saved in there).

I then make it a regular habit to go back to Pocket and go through my list
of things to read or go back to. It also comes in handy because it's always there to go back and search for something:

"What was that thing I did six months ago for work where I found that neat powershell script to do x?"

Log into Pocket, click on my Work tag and search through there for powershell and boom, there it is.

In your case you could save all of your youtube tabs with the tag "Youtube" or "Things to Watch" and then you can close those tabs.

I literally cannot control my tab growth!

You may want to cut back on those little blue pills... :P


Jay

... All things being equal, a fat person uses more soap than a thin person.

--- Mystic BBS v1.12 A48 2022/03/11 (Raspberry Pi/32)
* Origin: Northern Realms (21:3/110)

Please tell me more about this, O warped slide. I would enjoy hearing your suggestions.

Basically at the end of the night anything I still have open I'll hit
the "save to Pocket" button that's built into Firefox and add one or
more tags to it. (Well, not just things I have open at the end of the night, anything I may ever want to go back to, I even have recipes saved in there).
[...]

Sounds a lot like a bookmark folder...Bet you can guess how well *that* has worked for me! (^_^)

I will look into this, Pocket. It very well might help.

I literally cannot control my tab growth!

You may want to cut back on those little blue pills... :P

Why you..just shut your dirty little mouth! \(@_@)/

How do you think I got it this big to begin with? (o_-)

Cheers!

McDoob
SysOp, PiBBS
pibbs.sytes.net

--- Mystic BBS v1.12 A46 2020/08/26 (Raspberry Pi/32)
* Origin: PiBBS (21:4/135)

Re: Browser tabs
By: McDoob to All on Sun Mar 20 2022 05:19 pm

How many of you are like me?

It sometimes feels like I open more browser tabs than I close on any particular day. I have 32GB of RAM in this computer, which helps...but I know it's having a negative effect on performance.

Currently, I have...173! \(@_@)/ open tabs in Firefox, a dozen (or so)

I don't know how I could manage 173 web browser tabs.. I think that would be way past the point where the tabs would shrink so small that you couldn't see their titles anymore.

Nightfox
--- SBBSecho 3.14-Win32
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McDoob wrote to All <=-

How many of you are like me?

It sometimes feels like I open more browser tabs than I close on
any particular day. I have 32GB of RAM in this computer, which
helps...but I know it's having a negative effect on performance.

Currently, I have...173! \(@_@)/ open tabs in Firefox, a dozen
(or so) which are important to my personal network or PiBBS.
Another dozen (at least) are YouTube vids waiting for my
eyeballs. Maybe fifty are things I'm still thinking about/working
on. The rest are either 'in queue' or 'orphaned'.

And it's the orphaned part that bothers me. I do try to clean up
my tabs every once in a while, but the orphans seem to multiply
faster than I can get rid of them!

And, importantly, do you have *any* idea how hard it is to find a
single tab, out of nearly two hundred? (Q_Q)

Is it just me, being a scatterbrain? (o_O)

I would have to put that in the "ridiculous" bucket.

I rarely have more than 3 open, and usually only one.



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I don't know how I could manage 173 web browser tabs.. I think that
would be way past the point where the tabs would shrink so small that
you couldn't see their titles anymore.

Not gonna lie, I was pretty surprised when I counted them all...and, yeah, there's nothing but an icon...which doesn't help *at all*! \(>_<)/

But, it's not like I'm actually *using* each tab! I'm just...really bad at doing chores...(v_v)

McDoob
SysOp, PiBBS
pibbs.sytes.net

--- Mystic BBS v1.12 A46 2020/08/26 (Raspberry Pi/32)
* Origin: PiBBS (21:4/135)

How many of you are like me?

It sometimes feels like I open more browser tabs than I close on any particular day. I have 32GB of RAM in this computer, which helps...but I know it's having a negative effect on performance.

Currently, I have...173! \(@_@)/ open tabs in Firefox, a dozen (or so) which are important to my personal network or PiBBS. Another dozen (at least) are YouTube vids waiting for my eyeballs. Maybe fifty are things I'm still thinking about/working on. The rest are either 'in queue' or 'orphaned'.

And it's the orphaned part that bothers me. I do try to clean up my tabs every once in a while, but the orphans seem to multiply faster than I
can get rid of them!

And, importantly, do you have *any* idea how hard it is to find a single tab, out of nearly two hundred? (Q_Q)

Is it just me, being a scatterbrain? (o_O)

Can I ask, what do people with 100 browser tabs do with them? Do you just keep them open in case you want to look at them later? You do realise you can bookmark sites and visit them later?

I would on rare occasion have 10 to 15, if I'm researching something and want to look at a bunch of forum posts/websites to see which has the answer I need, but otherwise, its usually 1 - 4 or so.

--- Mystic BBS v1.12 A47 2021/12/24 (Linux/64)
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Re: Re: Browser tabs
By: Warpslide to McDoob on Sun Mar 20 2022 06:49 pm

On 20 Mar 2022, McDoob said the following...

How many of you are like me?

So I never used to be like that, but with so many ideas I find that I too am now keeping tabs open for "later", especially if I get interrupted when looking/researching something. I dont have anywhere near 173 though!

If you want to go the self hosted route there's wallabag, but I've not given it a try.

I've often looked for a self hosted tool to manage book marks - so I just spun up wallabag in docker, and it looks good for the task.

I did try "pocket" before hand - but I'm always a fan for self hosted stuff - and wallabag looks like a self hosted feature rich tool.


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It sometimes feels like I open more browser tabs than I close on any particular day. I have 32GB of RAM in this computer, which helps...but it's having a negative effect on performance.

I rarely get more than 4-5 open, usually when browsing news which resets its home page whenever I finish an article, sometimes on the YouTuba if I spot something in the suggestions that looks promising, but I'm going to watch whatever it was I went there for.

That said, I tend to be a bad tab user and close the browser more often than not and re-open :P

Spec


*** THE READER V4.50 [freeware]
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Doobie Doobie doooo, doo doo dee dah


*** THE READER V4.50 [freeware]
--- SuperBBS v1.17-3 (Eval)
* Origin: The future's uncertain, the end is always near. (21:3/101)

Doobie Doobie doooo, doo doo dee dah

Hey, remember, puff puff pass, bro. I want some, too...(o_O)

McDoob
SysOp, PiBBS
pibbs.sytes.net

--- Mystic BBS v1.12 A46 2020/08/26 (Raspberry Pi/32)
* Origin: PiBBS (21:4/135)

Currently, I have...173! \(@_@)/ open tabs in Firefox, a dozen (or so) which are important to my personal network or PiBBS. Another dozen (at least) are YouTube vids waiting for my eyeballs. Maybe fifty are things I'm still thinking about/working on. The rest are either 'in queue' or 'orphaned'.

Got myself down to 79 tabs. Still too many, but not nearly as too many as before...

McDoob
SysOp, PiBBS
pibbs.sytes.net

... There's no present. There's only the immediate future and the recent past

--- Mystic BBS v1.12 A47 2021/12/24 (Raspberry Pi/32)
* Origin: PiBBS (21:4/135)

Got myself down to 79 tabs. Still too many, but not nearly as too many as before...

McDoob
SysOp, PiBBS
pibbs.sytes.net

... There's no present. There's only the immediate future and the recent past

--- Mystic BBS v1.12 A47 2021/12/24 (Raspberry Pi/32)
* Origin: PiBBS (21:4/135)

Geez Man. I'd be lost after about 6 or so. :-P

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