Mindsurfer wrote to All <=-
Do you have any tips about HP thinclients. Wich ones have the best bang for the buck?
i am currently running MagickaBBS on a Raspberry Pi, but would like to
get into the original world of DOS doors without an emulation on a x86 machine like a HP Thinclient.
I like that it is quite cheap and energy efficient.
i am looking at an HP T620 quadcore with 16gb msata and 4GB of Rattat 57Euro plus shipping.
with
a little more ram and a bigger msata it should be a quite decent
machine? what 32bit windows would you use? would you recommend the HP T620?
Thin clients are a great value, but don't discount PC/104 systems
if you can find them. They can be low power and are genuine
hardware, not unlike what you would have seen in the period. They
have their own quirks, but are a fun rabbit trail to run down.
them. This is one where a guy made a mini 486 using them,
including a custom sound card he made in the form factor: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZBsv-jRiIT8 On 27 Jun 2021,
Yep; same video I watched. Same guy does another iteration and
makes this project smaller... using, what I think is PC-105... but
Greenlfc wrote to thecivvie <=-
Thin clients are a great value, but don't discount PC/104 systems if
you can find them. They can be low power and are genuine hardware, not unlike what you would have seen in the period. They have their own quirks, but are a fun rabbit trail to run down.
Will have a look for one. I have so many Pi's that I have lost count. I have 3 remote ones as well :)
TC
but I swapped it for an old 500GB Seagate "SSHD" (HDD with some flash
memory as a cache), I just needed to create and 3D-print a mounting
bracket.
If I had a 3D Printer available to me, I could stop mounting my drives
with double-sided adhesive squares! :)
paulie420 wrote to thecivvie <=-
Will have a look for one. I have so many Pi's that I have lost
count. I
have 3 remote ones as well :)
TC
What do you use your remote Pi's for? Just curiosity - I have several, too, but they are all local...
Some HOST to remote users, but... :P
Spectre wrote to thecivvie <=-
Its funny, here about hmmmm 30 years ago thin clients were a dime a
dozen but pretty useless unless you only wanted to use them as
application clients quite literally. Mind you the ones I'm thinking of were pretty old already by that time. Didn't seem to be any new ones, business seemed to be pushing desktop boxes instead.
Fast forward 20 years or so, I vaguely looked at them again because there seemed to be more modern variants kicking around. But the price of the beast seemed to be outrageously steep. Enough so that I avoided putting
my hard earned into one to see what it could do. And thats about as
close as I ever got.
Spectre wrote to thecivvie <=-
were pretty old already by that time. Didn't seem to be any new ones business seemed to be pushing desktop boxes instead.
Yeah it was almost impossible to get these Thin Clients before. Now they are everywhere. Before they seemed to be scrapped without a thought for small scale servers etc. Now of course we are seeing the benefits of
small PCs in the home even with multiples.
Greenlfc wrote to thecivvie <=-
On 01 Jul 2021, thecivvie said the following...
Spectre wrote to thecivvie <=-
were pretty old already by that time. Didn't seem to be any
new ones
business seemed to be pushing desktop boxes instead.Yeah it was almost impossible to get these Thin Clients before. Now
they
are everywhere. Before they seemed to be scrapped without a thought
for
small scale servers etc. Now of course we are seeing the benefits of
small PCs in the home even with multiples.
It seems to me that the current move to distributed small scale devices serving few purposes (ala Pis running pihole, small NASes, etc) is kind
of an anomaly in the cycle I've witnessed in my IT career. We've gone from Dumb Terminals and Mainframes to powerful PCs/desktops back to Thin Clients and Terminal Servers, and then recently back to powerful
laptops. Today, we're looking at dumping a bunch of GPUs into the datacenter and migrating our workstations to low end laptops. The use
of distributed small scale devices is something out of that cycle.
Not a big observation, but it strikes me as interesting.
paulie420 wrote to thecivvie <=-
I have 2 ADS-B remote stations, a combined Pi-Hole/ VPN Tunnel and a
remote weather station. I am adding 2 more ads-b stations
TC
Nice. I have a Home Assistant, a BBS server, a mini-NAS, Pi-HoleX2 and some other non-server systems. I didn't know those were considered 'remote' - altho maybe you have them setup differently than I. Mine are all on my home network.
I've recently been looking into learning Pf-Sense and will prolly run a little more powered box for that.
than it is. In fact, I need to even reach out and hire some help... but ultimately I'm going to learn more about... what I should have before opening up ports to the w0rld.
For the record, I think of the BBSes I've spent time on the past couple
of months, 2o is my current favorite. Don't get me wrong, I love TQW
(the international lag is frustrating enough I don't use it as much as
I'd like), and I like Absinthe (where I first started my new journey),
but 2o is responsive, fun, and hits most of the major high points I
expect from a BBS. WIth only limited time in the day to play, I go
where I enjoy.
<have I buttered you up enough to get more time on my clock each day?>
GreenLFC � e> greenleaderfanclub@protonmail.com
I always thought they'd make good DOS/Windows 3.11 systems. Retro
boxes without the old hardware headache.
Mindsurfer wrote to All <=-
i am currently running MagickaBBS on a Raspberry Pi, but would like to
get into the original world of DOS doors without an emulation on a x86 machine like a HP Thinclient.
I like that it is quite cheap and energy efficient.
Mindsurfer wrote to All <=-
Do you have any tips about HP thinclients. Wich ones have the best bang for the buck?
i am currently running MagickaBBS on a Raspberry Pi, but would like to
get into the original world of DOS doors without an emulation on a x86 machine like a HP Thinclient.
I like that it is quite cheap and energy efficient.
i am looking at an HP T620 quadcore with 16gb msata and 4GB of Rattat 57Euro plus shipping.
with
a little more ram and a bigger msata it should be a quite decent
machine? what 32bit windows would you use? would you recommend the HP T620?
Thin clients are a great value, but don't discount PC/104 systems if you can find them. They can be low power and are genuine hardware, not
unlike what you would have seen in the period. They have their own quirks, but are a fun rabbit trail to run down.
Do you know the PC-104 standard well? I haven't ever worked with them
yet.
No, although I recently looked at a few projects involving them. This
is one where a guy made a mini 486 using them, including a custom sound card he made in the form factor: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZBsv-jRiIT8 On 27 Jun 2021, paulie420
said the following...
Do you know the PC-104 standard well? I haven't ever worked with them yet.
Thin clients are a great value, but don't discount PC/104 systems
if you can find them. They can be low power and are genuine
hardware, not unlike what you would have seen in the period. They
have their own quirks, but are a fun rabbit trail to run down.
them. This is one where a guy made a mini 486 using them,
including a custom sound card he made in the form factor: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZBsv-jRiIT8 On 27 Jun 2021,
Yep; same video I watched. Same guy does another iteration and
makes this project smaller... using, what I think is PC-105... but
Greenlfc wrote to thecivvie <=-
Thin clients are a great value, but don't discount PC/104 systems if
you can find them. They can be low power and are genuine hardware, not unlike what you would have seen in the period. They have their own quirks, but are a fun rabbit trail to run down.
Will have a look for one. I have so many Pi's that I have lost count. I have 3 remote ones as well :)
TC
Do you have any tips about HP thinclients. Wich ones have the best bang
for the buck?
Its funny, here about hmmmm 30 years ago thin clients were a dime a
dozen but pretty useless unless you only wanted to use them as
application clients quite literally. Mind you the ones I'm thinking of were pretty old already by that time. Didn't seem to be any new ones, business seemed to be pushing desktop boxes instead.
Fast forward 20 years or so, I vaguely looked at them again because there seemed to be more modern variants kicking around. But the price of the beast seemed to be outrageously steep. Enough so that I avoided putting
my hard earned into one to see what it could do. And thats about as
close as I ever got.
Its funny, here about hmmmm 30 years ago thin clients were a dime a dozen bu pretty useless unless you only wanted to use them as application clients qui literally. Mind you the ones I'm thinking of were pretty old already by that time. Didn't seem to be any new ones, business seemed to be pushing desktop boxes instead.
Fast forward 20 years or so, I vaguely looked at them again because there seemed to be more modern variants kicking around. But the price of the beast seemed to be outrageously steep. Enough so that I avoided putting my hard earned into one to see what it could do. And thats about as close as I ever got.
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acn wrote to Mindsurfer <=-
but I swapped it for an old 500GB Seagate "SSHD" (HDD with some flash memory as a cache), I just needed to create and 3D-print a mounting bracket.
but I swapped it for an old 500GB Seagate "SSHD" (HDD with some flash
memory as a cache), I just needed to create and 3D-print a mounting
bracket.
If I had a 3D Printer available to me, I could stop mounting my drives
with double-sided adhesive squares! :)
paulie420 wrote to thecivvie <=-
Will have a look for one. I have so many Pi's that I have lost
count. I
have 3 remote ones as well :)
TC
What do you use your remote Pi's for? Just curiosity - I have several, too, but they are all local...
Some HOST to remote users, but... :P
Spectre wrote to thecivvie <=-
Its funny, here about hmmmm 30 years ago thin clients were a dime a
dozen but pretty useless unless you only wanted to use them as
application clients quite literally. Mind you the ones I'm thinking of were pretty old already by that time. Didn't seem to be any new ones, business seemed to be pushing desktop boxes instead.
Fast forward 20 years or so, I vaguely looked at them again because there seemed to be more modern variants kicking around. But the price of the beast seemed to be outrageously steep. Enough so that I avoided putting
my hard earned into one to see what it could do. And thats about as
close as I ever got.
Spectre wrote to thecivvie <=-
were pretty old already by that time. Didn't seem to be any new ones business seemed to be pushing desktop boxes instead.
Yeah it was almost impossible to get these Thin Clients before. Now they are everywhere. Before they seemed to be scrapped without a thought for small scale servers etc. Now of course we are seeing the benefits of
small PCs in the home even with multiples.
I have 2 ADS-B remote stations, a combined Pi-Hole/ VPN Tunnel and a remote weather station. I am adding 2 more ads-b stations
TC
Greenlfc wrote to thecivvie <=-
On 01 Jul 2021, thecivvie said the following...
Spectre wrote to thecivvie <=-
were pretty old already by that time. Didn't seem to be any
new ones
business seemed to be pushing desktop boxes instead.Yeah it was almost impossible to get these Thin Clients before. Now
they
are everywhere. Before they seemed to be scrapped without a thought
for
small scale servers etc. Now of course we are seeing the benefits of
small PCs in the home even with multiples.
It seems to me that the current move to distributed small scale devices serving few purposes (ala Pis running pihole, small NASes, etc) is kind
of an anomaly in the cycle I've witnessed in my IT career. We've gone from Dumb Terminals and Mainframes to powerful PCs/desktops back to Thin Clients and Terminal Servers, and then recently back to powerful
laptops. Today, we're looking at dumping a bunch of GPUs into the datacenter and migrating our workstations to low end laptops. The use
of distributed small scale devices is something out of that cycle.
Not a big observation, but it strikes me as interesting.
paulie420 wrote to thecivvie <=-
I have 2 ADS-B remote stations, a combined Pi-Hole/ VPN Tunnel and a
remote weather station. I am adding 2 more ads-b stations
TC
Nice. I have a Home Assistant, a BBS server, a mini-NAS, Pi-HoleX2 and some other non-server systems. I didn't know those were considered 'remote' - altho maybe you have them setup differently than I. Mine are all on my home network.
I've recently been looking into learning Pf-Sense and will prolly run a little more powered box for that.
paulie420 wrote to thecivvie <=-
I've recently been looking into learning Pf-Sense and will prolly run a little more powered box for that.
than it is. In fact, I need to even reach out and hire some help... but ultimately I'm going to learn more about... what I should have before opening up ports to the w0rld.
What I find interesting, is that in the old days when I set up a BBS, I was running for a month or two before officially opening, because I was setting up various stuff about my BBS before going public.
But now, having something available on port 23 means you'll end up on the Telnet BBS Guide as a new BBS, and for me I was just glad that I had a reasonable connection screen before it came across my BBS.
But my BBS still is not close to being configured enough. Things like
how the new-user experience should be custom rather than the stock
Mystic experience. And I'm sure I could cut out various fields in the forms.
(To be fair, I also lost some amount of interest in caring about whether
I got callers, and they just turned into, "well, if they find something interesting, that's cool, and I'd be happy to help, but if not, I care
way less than I thought I would.")
Furthermore, I wasn't only talking about making sure Mystic and the BBS
is 'safe' from people trying to access it - but the entire network that the BBS is perched on. Thats the real meat and potatoes of issues that could arise from running a board in 2o21.
Funny you say that theres still way more to be done - as I think 2o kinda... sucks? No - doesn't suck, but... I also see it in its infancy. I'm just gonna keep creating, putting neat things in and hopefully ppl will agree. Whats next? Oh, Paulie is thinking MORE EASTER EGGS. :P
Final thoughts; I think Storm is just perfect. I come there to
continually press enter to see RANDOM lightning strikes, AND to catch up on the calendar ANSIs... you've built a board that *I* enjoy coming by. (And congrats on the project! I'm a little bit of a fan!)
I now have it running on its own isolated vlan, there's nothing else on that network other than that Pi & the router. Sure someone could pwn the Pi if they got in, but at least they're not getting into my personal network.
For the record, I think of the BBSes I've spent time on the past couple
of months, 2o is my current favorite. Don't get me wrong, I love TQW
(the international lag is frustrating enough I don't use it as much as
I'd like), and I like Absinthe (where I first started my new journey),
but 2o is responsive, fun, and hits most of the major high points I
expect from a BBS. WIth only limited time in the day to play, I go
where I enjoy.
<have I buttered you up enough to get more time on my clock each day?>
GreenLFC � e> greenleaderfanclub@protonmail.com
I love The Underground so much... it IS very put together and has a ton
of content, but for me its more the friendship that I've created over
the past couple years with tG... BBSes - still creating real
relationships in 2o21. Thats why I'm here.
I always here ppl saying you should allow OTHER ops run your calendar
ANSIs, or... that you should share them in an art pack [I think you
should!] but *I* think you should write some code [Ppl will help!] to display your collection in a unique way. Heres some things that I've
I *think* you display them in order of dates... and thats great; should
creation... I think viewing them from, you know, day 1 to day 365 would
be so neat. I wanna SEE you getting more... Adept, as the time goes by.
Yeah. I've only called once or twice, but I called because of who's running it, even though the BBS really is a nice BBS.
But I'm terrible about calling out to other BBSs. I was better when "calling out" meant using actual phone lines.
But I guess those places had actual message bases that I chatted on more than I did any of the networks.
Ah, okay. So not an ANSI gallery, per se, but a tool specifically for showing the calendar things.
back online and added a bunch of Legacy posts. :P So cool to go back and relive like - literally my youth. Awesome... I was so dumb.
My posts there were meant to say DO YOU. If *I* were the one who did all that, I wouldn't make an MPL or door for other ops. I'd run them on MY
BBS and I'd release a pack in JPG format so the work was in the ANSI scene/16colo.rs...
I think seeing them in the order you made them is great because... man, the first ones you made and the 300+'s are by a completely different artist. :P
No idea on other BBSs, either. But, hey, I have a LORD game with data
from people who played it way back when, and it's currently running on
my BBS.
Hah! Yeah. It'll be interesting to see how much the skill level bothers
me when July 19th rolls around and I start seeing more of my old work.
Hah! Yeah. It'll be interesting to see how much the skill level bothe me when July 19th rolls around and I start seeing more of my old work
AH HA! You DID code in a way for us to see that... I just have to play
by the rules & call in once a day! :P
lost all my old BBS stuff - its amazing that you, and other ops, have backups from then.
Greenlfc wrote to All <=-
Related, there's a bunch of these cute little Thin Clients on eBay that
I think would be good candidates for small scale servers. I might pick
up a few once I've relocated. Cheaper than Pis, for sure.
https://www.ebay.com/itm/313585293233?hash=item490323d7b1:g:0oMAAOSwbdNg 25Rc
I always thought they'd make good DOS/Windows 3.11 systems. Retro
boxes without the old hardware headache.
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