• So Mrs. Dakota gave High Tech Necromancy the thumbs up

    From Arelor@21:2/138 to All on Sat Nov 28 18:25:30 2020
    Hi there!

    Just a quick update here.

    The editor of Hybrid Fiction has just mailed me and told me she likes High Tech Necromancy. That is great news!

    The so-so news is that the magazine is still in a dormant state since the future of the publication is still uncertain. I am confident that they will take the series if they get back on their feet, tough.

    Still, even if the magazine does not return, at least I have confirmation that High Tech Necromancy is publishing grade, which is a nice thing to have.
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  • From Ogg@21:4/106.21 to Arelor on Sat Nov 28 21:21:00 2020
    Hello Arelor!

    ** On Saturday 28.11.20 - 18:25, Arelor wrote to All:

    Hi there!

    Just a quick update here.

    The editor of Hybrid Fiction has just mailed me and told
    me she likes High Tech Necromancy. That is great news!

    The so-so news is that the magazine is still in a dormant
    state since the future of the publication is still
    uncertain. I am confident that they will take the series
    if they get back on their feet, tough.

    Based on what I have seen, they include drawings for the
    stories they publish.


    Still, even if the magazine does not return, at least I have confirmation that High Tech Necromancy is publishing grade, which is a nice thing to have.

    They seem to be operting with a Patreon funding model.

    Their online reading platform is ISSUU. Some book
    distributor's use it for their catalogs. I find the
    presentation awkward to read on a desktop setup. Maybe a
    laptop approach could work - but I don'y have one to try.
    Meanwhile, a downloadable epub format would be better.


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  • From Gamgee@21:2/138 to Arelor on Sat Nov 28 21:06:00 2020
    Arelor wrote to All <=-

    The editor of Hybrid Fiction has just mailed me and told me she
    likes High Tech Necromancy. That is great news!

    The so-so news is that the magazine is still in a dormant state
    since the future of the publication is still uncertain. I am
    confident that they will take the series if they get back on
    their feet, tough.

    Still, even if the magazine does not return, at least I have
    confirmation that High Tech Necromancy is publishing grade, which
    is a nice thing to have.

    Very nice, congratulations! Hope things continue to move in the right direction!



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  • From Adept@21:2/108 to Arelor on Sun Nov 29 07:47:16 2020
    Still, even if the magazine does not return, at least I have
    confirmation that High Tech Necromancy is publishing grade, which is a nice thing to have. --

    Nice!

    The so-so news is that the magazine is still in a dormant state since the future of the publication is still uncertain. I am confident that they will take the series if they get back on their feet, tough.

    This seems like such an odd time to be doing this.

    But, still, I wish them success, and that they wind up getting whatever level of financial resources they need to make a go at it.

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  • From Arelor@21:2/138 to Ogg on Sun Nov 29 06:51:12 2020
    Re: So Mrs. Dakota gave High Tech Necromancy the thumbs up
    By: Ogg to Arelor on Sat Nov 28 2020 09:21 pm

    Still, even if the magazine does not return, at least I have confirmatio that High Tech Necromancy is publishing grade, which is a nice thing to have.

    They seem to be operting with a Patreon funding model.

    Their online reading platform is ISSUU. Some book
    distributor's use it for their catalogs. I find the
    presentation awkward to read on a desktop setup. Maybe a
    laptop approach could work - but I don'y have one to try.
    Meanwhile, a downloadable epub format would be better.

    They are actually re-structuring all that. At least, considering how it would be done.
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  • From Arelor@21:2/138 to Adept on Sun Nov 29 06:57:32 2020
    Re: Re: So Mrs. Dakota gave High Tech Necromancy the thumbs up
    By: Adept to Arelor on Sun Nov 29 2020 07:47 am

    The so-so news is that the magazine is still in a dormant state since t future of the publication is still uncertain. I am confident that they will take the series if they get back on their feet, tough.

    This seems like such an odd time to be doing this.

    But, still, I wish them success, and that they wind up getting whatever leve of financial resources they need to make a go at it.

    With all the COVID crisis going on, lots of people is both reading and writing, so it is not a bad time to get a digital magazine started. Printed magazines are a different beats because with newstands closing down, it is harder to distribute them.

    Hybrid Fiction got in trouble more for the fact some core member got a bad health issue than for monetary reasons, as far as I can tell.

    Main reason why I wish them well is because they don't seem to treat writers like rubish like most others :-)
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  • From Adept@21:2/108 to Arelor on Sun Nov 29 14:40:50 2020
    With all the COVID crisis going on, lots of people is both reading and writing, so it is not a bad time to get a digital magazine started.

    I suppose that makes sense. Though I guess I also wonder how often digital magazines wind up being successful in comparison to print magazines.

    But there are so many caveats to that that I have no idea where to start.

    Printed magazines are a different beats because with newstands closing down, it is harder to distribute them.

    It seems like newsstands/bookstores/whatnot are fairly frequently open, these days, though I know the remaining newsstand in San Francisco has been trying their hardest to get by with starting up some sort of mail order. They, in particular, are probably hit by people not going to their office jobs.

    But for me... I buy so many printed items, here. Some day I might even read them...

    Hybrid Fiction got in trouble more for the fact some core member got a
    bad health issue than for monetary reasons, as far as I can tell.

    Ah, okay, that's cool, then. Well, for the hope of it having a solid future.

    Main reason why I wish them well is because they don't seem to treat writers like rubish like most others :-)

    That does seem nice.

    And it's interesting that the Patreon page mentions the payment rate, and at what level of support the payment rate will go up.

    They don't yet seem remotely close to those goals, but I have no idea if they have non-Patreon funding sources.

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  • From Arelor@21:2/138 to Adept on Sun Nov 29 09:20:50 2020
    Re: Re: So Mrs. Dakota gave High Tech Necromancy the thumbs up
    By: Adept to Arelor on Sun Nov 29 2020 02:40 pm

    Main reason why I wish them well is because they don't seem to treat writers like rubish like most others :-)

    That does seem nice.

    And it's interesting that the Patreon page mentions the payment rate, and at what level of support the payment rate will go up.

    They don't yet seem remotely close to those goals, but I have no idea if the have non-Patreon funding sources.

    They follow a traditional subscription model. The Patreon was a bit of an afterthough as far as I know.

    Most magazines complement their income with some advertisements and coupo programs, but Hybrid Fiction survives only from the money of readers to my knowñedge.
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  • From Ogg@21:4/106.21 to Arelor on Sun Nov 29 10:25:00 2020
    Hello Arelor!

    ** On Sunday 29.11.20 - 06:57, Arelor wrote to Adept:

    Main reason why I wish them well is because they don't
    seem to treat writers like rubish like most others :-)

    One story, THE EAR WORM, seemed like something I might write
    for 9th grade English class, but I enjoyed it.

    I am warming up to the short-story format. I can't seem to
    remain focused on full-length novels - especially when I just
    need something to wind-down with before bed.

    Even the old issues of Hitchcock and Ellory Queen magazines
    are a good format for me, lately.

    If I ever had a full day (over 5 hours) to just read, then
    maybe I could settle for a full-length novel.


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  • From Arelor@21:2/138 to Ogg on Sun Nov 29 13:58:50 2020
    Re: So Mrs. Dakota gave High Tech Necromancy the thumbs up
    By: Ogg to Arelor on Sun Nov 29 2020 10:25 am

    Hello Arelor!

    ** On Sunday 29.11.20 - 06:57, Arelor wrote to Adept:

    Main reason why I wish them well is because they don't
    seem to treat writers like rubish like most others :-)

    One story, THE EAR WORM, seemed like something I might write
    for 9th grade English class, but I enjoyed it.

    I am warming up to the short-story format. I can't seem to
    remain focused on full-length novels - especially when I just
    need something to wind-down with before bed.

    Even the old issues of Hitchcock and Ellory Queen magazines
    are a good format for me, lately.

    If I ever had a full day (over 5 hours) to just read, then
    maybe I could settle for a full-length novel.

    Haha, well, quality varies, as always.

    I prefer reading full novels myself, or better yet, actual book series. It is very hard to tell something significant in a short story, specially with the limits publishers impose on writers.

    Actually, I prefer writing novels too, for that same reason. Novels are also easier to write because you have more room to properly develop your characters and setting. Telling something worth reading in less than a thousand words is more tricky than a lot of people think.

    That said, I have a lot of trouble producing books because it is harder to find proofreaders for them. Lots of people will help you with a short piece. If you ask them for help with a full novel, they'll tell you they'll do it, then disappear.


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  • From Ogg@21:4/106.21 to Arelor on Sun Nov 29 17:05:00 2020
    Hello Arelor!

    ** On Sunday 29.11.20 - 13:58, Arelor wrote to Ogg:

    That said, I have a lot of trouble producing books because it is harder to find proofreaders for them. Lots of people will help you with a short piece. If you ask them for help with a full novel, they'll tell you
    they'll do it, then disappear.

    You could always dispense your material by the chapter so as
    not to overwhelm your proofreader with too much to go through
    at once.



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  • From Arelor@21:2/138 to Ogg on Mon Nov 30 10:13:08 2020
    Re: harder to find proofreaders for them
    By: Ogg to Arelor on Sun Nov 29 2020 05:05 pm

    Hello Arelor!

    ** On Sunday 29.11.20 - 13:58, Arelor wrote to Ogg:

    That said, I have a lot of trouble producing books because it is harder find proofreaders for them. Lots of people will help you with a short piece. If you ask them for help with a full novel, they'll tell you they'll do it, then disappear.

    You could always dispense your material by the chapter so as
    not to overwhelm your proofreader with too much to go through
    at once.



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    Oh, I tried that.

    The problem is people takes the first chapter, then does another, then realizes how much a hard piece of work proofreading a book is and disappears.

    I had to take an alternate approach. I started tasking proofreaders with random chapters and didn't give them another one unless they asked for more. The problem with that approach was that readers would get to check on, say, chapter 5, without having a full picture of the plot.

    But expecting people to proofread the whole book from beggining to end? Just not gonna happen. People proofreads a few chapters, realizes they only want to read the story, and finishes the book without giving anythign else back.

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  • From poindexter FORTRAN@21:4/122 to Adept on Mon Nov 30 07:20:00 2020
    Adept wrote to Arelor <=-

    It seems like newsstands/bookstores/whatnot are fairly frequently open, these days, though I know the remaining newsstand in San Francisco has been trying their hardest to get by with starting up some sort of mail order. They, in particular, are probably hit by people not going to
    their office jobs.

    We've been frequenting the local bookstores for the holidays, seeing
    as kids are inside a lot and we're looking for non-screen
    entertainment.

    I'm finding myself not wanting to pick up books out of paranoia, and
    seeing kids in the kids' section picking up and innocently leafing
    through all of the books gives me pause. Luckily all stores have hand
    sanitizer at the entrance...

    We ended up with a couple of good series for my daughter, a book for
    a friend of hers, and I picked up the last of the Bernie Gunther
    mysteries by Philip Kerr. Unfortunately, the hero of the stories
    outlasted the author - he passed away a few years ago.

    Bernie Gunther is your classic, jaded, ex-policeman private
    detective, set in Berlin in the mid-30s. His stories carry him
    through the rise of the Nazi party, the fall of Germany, the cold
    war, easten Europe and Cuba during the revolution.




    But for me... I buy so many printed items, here. Some day I might even read them...

    Hybrid Fiction got in trouble more for the fact some core member got a
    bad health issue than for monetary reasons, as far as I can tell.

    Ah, okay, that's cool, then. Well, for the hope of it having a solid future.

    Main reason why I wish them well is because they don't seem to treat writers like rubish like most others :-)

    That does seem nice.

    And it's interesting that the Patreon page mentions the payment rate,
    and at what level of support the payment rate will go up.

    They don't yet seem remotely close to those goals, but I have no idea
    if they have non-Patreon funding sources.

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  • From Adept@21:2/108 to poindexter FORTRAN on Mon Nov 30 19:26:50 2020
    I'm finding myself not wanting to pick up books out of paranoia, and
    seeing kids in the kids' section picking up and innocently leafing
    through all of the books gives me pause. Luckily all stores have hand
    sanitizer at the entrance...

    I suppose I see that to some extent -- I wind up using hand sanitizer after touching most anything, even though I'm not especially worried about that as
    a COVID vector.

    Instead I wear my good mask (the one that's a dust mask with a good seal and two n95 filters on it (and a filter on the output because of basic politeness)), and hope my glasses stop any through-the-eyes items, and then take my time looking through magazines, newspapers, and graphic novels.

    It's an amazingly calming experience for me -- at least until other people
    get close or I have to deal with checking out (trying to distance from people and deal with a transaction in German while wearing a mask I can't talk
    through turn out to be slightly stressful).

    a friend of hers, and I picked up the last of the Bernie Gunther
    mysteries by Philip Kerr. Unfortunately, the hero of the stories
    outlasted the author - he passed away a few years ago.

    Those do seem like they'd be an interesting premise. I have enjoyed detective novels a lot (Though not "mystery" novels that are just suspense novels), so
    it sounds interesting.

    You'll have to give a book review when you get through it. :)

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  • From Adept@21:2/108 to Arelor on Mon Nov 30 19:39:00 2020
    But expecting people to proofread the whole book from beggining to end? Just not gonna happen. People proofreads a few chapters, realizes they only want to read the story, and finishes the book without giving
    anythign else back.

    Yeah, I assume that's what payment is for.

    I imagine I'd be the same as your proof readers. Heck, I wrote half of something once upon a time, and I've only managed to get through about three chapters when attempting to proof read.

    But that particular book needs a _lot_ of work, so maybe it's not a fair comparison.

    But it seems perfectly reasonable to not want to spend the many, many hours that good proof reading takes. Obviously, it'd be nice if people could tell that ahead of time, but "want to do" and "actually wind up doing" are
    obviously pretty different.

    And, to be fair, writing a novel is a solid accomplishment on its own, even
    if it's terrible writing that should be burned.

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  • From Nigel Reed@21:2/101 to Ogg on Mon Nov 30 15:14:48 2020
    Ogg wrote:
    Hello Arelor!

    ** On Sunday 29.11.20 - 13:58, Arelor wrote to Ogg:

    That said, I have a lot of trouble producing books because it is harder to
    find proofreaders for them. Lots of people will help you with a short piece. If you ask them for help with a full novel, they'll tell you they'll do it, then disappear.

    You could always dispense your material by the chapter so as
    not to overwhelm your proofreader with too much to go through
    at once.

    Nothing personal, but time is money. People are always wanting stuff for free these days. If you're going to want someone to block out that much of time to not only read your novel, but to make notes and report back to you, most
    people would want something for their hours of work.
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  • From Ogg@21:4/106.21 to Nigel Reed on Mon Nov 30 17:48:00 2020
    Hello Nigel!

    ** On Monday 30.11.20 - 15:14, Nigel Reed wrote to Ogg:

    You could always dispense your material by the chapter so
    as not to overwhelm your proofreader with too much to go
    through at once.

    Nothing personal, but time is money. People are always
    wanting stuff for free these days. If you're going to
    want someone to block out that much of time to not only
    read your novel, but to make notes and report back to
    you, most people would want something for their hours of
    work.

    The problem is that Richard doesn't have the kind of money to
    pay a professional proofreader.

    I was just suggesting for those who would volunteer (like I
    did) that a few pages at a time is best.

    When I worked on my readings, I printed them out first so that
    I could get comfortable and relax instead of sitting in front
    of a computer screen. After the pages were marked up, I had to
    convert my handwritten notes into a format that I could email.

    Producing notes and info with tips and suggestions and
    indentifying grammatical and spelling errors - takes time.



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  • From Ogg@21:4/106.21 to Arelor on Mon Nov 30 17:59:00 2020
    Hello Arelor!

    ** On Monday 30.11.20 - 10:13, Arelor wrote to Ogg:

    You could always dispense your material by the chapter so
    as not to overwhelm your proofreader with too much to go
    through at once.

    Oh, I tried that.

    The problem is people takes the first chapter, then does
    another, then realizes how much a hard piece of work
    proofreading a book is and disappears.

    Yep.. You would need to be on the constant prowl for new
    victims. <G>


    I had to take an alternate approach. I started tasking
    proofreaders with random chapters and didn't give them
    another one unless they asked for more. The problem with
    that approach was that readers would get to check on, say,
    chapter 5, without having a full picture of the plot.

    Right, and that approach can generate a lot of questions that
    could have easily been explained in context of the preceeding
    chapters that they did not see.


    But expecting people to proofread the whole book from
    beggining to end? Just not gonna happen. People proofreads
    a few chapters, realizes they only want to read the story,
    and finishes the book without giving anythign else back.

    That would be the case for most volunteers, I guess.

    Proofreading has generally been the domain of a publisher. Its
    cost would be factored in the contract to the author. Now that
    you have a publisher for your works, no more hassle having to
    deal with volunteer proofreaders! :)

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  • From Arelor@21:2/138 to Nigel Reed on Mon Nov 30 17:14:00 2020
    Re: Re: harder to find proofreaders for them
    By: Nigel Reed to Ogg on Mon Nov 30 2020 03:14 pm

    Ogg wrote:
    Hello Arelor!

    ** On Sunday 29.11.20 - 13:58, Arelor wrote to Ogg:

    That said, I have a lot of trouble producing books because it is harde to
    find proofreaders for them. Lots of people will help you with a short piece. If you ask them for help with a full novel, they'll tell you they'll do it, then disappear.

    You could always dispense your material by the chapter so as
    not to overwhelm your proofreader with too much to go through
    at once.

    Nothing personal, but time is money. People are always wanting stuff for fre these days. If you're going to want someone to block out that much of time t not only read your novel, but to make notes and report back to you, most people would want something for their hours of work.

    Yeah, obviously.

    The problem is that if you go through the numbers, hiring the necessary workforce does not lead to a sustainable business model.

    The author himself is investing lots of hours on a project with an aprox 0.5% chance of getting published in a respectable market, which in turn has about a 5% chance of turning significative profit.

    Now you do ($hit_profit x 0.005 x 0.05) / $workhours and you start wondering why in the hell you are even bothering.

    There has been a rise as of late for publications that don't pay you for publishing. They get paid by you for publishing. The reason is that author's time has become so depreciated as to hold a negative value.

    If I could work with an actual income from writing fiction, I'd spend money in writing fiction, just the same way I spend money writing non-fiction (because non-fiction pays and fiction does not). Lacking this, the only thing I can offer is early access to the fans to the beta material.

    And hey, you know the few that remain with you til the end are the ones that are loyal as heck. And in the end those are the ones you write for and listen to.

    I don't think it is a bad arrangement.

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  • From Arelor@21:2/138 to Ogg on Mon Nov 30 17:18:00 2020
    Re: harder to find proofreaders for them
    By: Ogg to Nigel Reed on Mon Nov 30 2020 05:48 pm

    When I worked on my readings, I printed them out first so that
    I could get comfortable and relax instead of sitting in front
    of a computer screen. After the pages were marked up, I had to
    convert my handwritten notes into a format that I could email.

    Actually I would print some copies for the people I could work in person, and let them read the manuscript for pleasure only. Then I'd tell them to re-read it and mark the mistakes with red marker, and lots of people actually did that. We'd have actual meetings and get stuff discussed with our printed copies.

    It was lots of hard work but it was also a lot of fun. Sadly I can do that only with manuscripts in Spanish for the time being - and with the virus, less so. Ironically, the manuscripts in Spanish are the ones I need less help with.
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  • From Arelor@21:2/138 to Ogg on Mon Nov 30 17:21:44 2020
    Re: harder to find proofreaders for them
    By: Ogg to Arelor on Mon Nov 30 2020 05:59 pm

    Proofreading has generally been the domain of a publisher. Its
    cost would be factored in the contract to the author. Now that
    you have a publisher for your works, no more hassle having to
    deal with volunteer proofreaders! :)

    I am too perfectionist to send a manuscript anywhere if I haven't followed
    some quality control procedure. One that is only a couple steps beyond what is reasonable.

    I have this chronic paranoia that everything I do could be improved so I keep doing it.
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