• Re: I'm BAAAAAACK! (I think)

    From Avon@21:1/101 to Vk3jed on Tue Dec 21 14:52:14 2021
    On 19 Dec 2021 at 06:30p, Vk3jed pondered and said...

    Good to see you in here too, nice to be back. Was hoping no one thought that I had totally lost interest, that certainly wasn't the case, it's just during these episodes, it's a really bif feeling of CBF (can't be f&^$*Q), or making plans to get back on and promptly forgetting.
    Finally the barrier lowered enough. :)

    I figured you would pop back in to the scene when the time was right for you. I could see some of the social updates regarding exercise so knew you busy leading an (as always) active and health life. You're a good role model!

    Yeah the contributing factors were covid, with the constant changing of the rules and keeping up with those, managing training, etc, and having
    to work out when and where to train each week, as regular venues became unavailable. I did keep the sporting side up and actually emerged from

    That's tough... the one thing we can seemingly be certain about all of this is that darn uncertainty.

    Yeah I forget I'm probably 25 years ahead of you on that learning curve. The trick with permissions is to ensure that all processes needing to access the same file system are run by the same user (not root!). My
    two systems run as sbbs (Synchronet) and mystic (Mystic), so to fix permissions, so the respective file trees are owned by the relevant user.

    For now I am boxing on with the system I set up as it seems hard to redo it all from scratch but you never know I may change my mind and find a second wind :)

    Sounds like all is fairly well in FSX land. I certainly haven't been idle. Besides training, I've been involved in M17 (a new voice and data mode, 100% open source and ham developed), buth testing implementations, reporting bugs, etc, as well as promoting the mode through
    presentations. The newsness and excitement has satisfied my needs of
    this year.

    This sound very interesting. An amateur protocol? If yes, look forward to chatting out it in the FSX_HAM echo with you.

    Hmm, crypto mining on a pi? That sounds like me doing gold mining here with a nail file (yes, it is believed there's still a lot of gold here, and there's very productive mines just out of town).

    Yeah but only to learn about it not make any money it all sounds like to do that you need high end gear and a years supply of free power :)

    I remain thankful I get to chat with nice folks here and meet others who come along from time to time that want to explore and play in BBSing and chat in echomail.

    Yeah, it has. As well as covid, we've had the run around with banks trying to get a loan for the new house, but that's now sorted, and the bottom line looks much better than I was anticipating.

    Good news for you both!

    Yes, I have a soft spot for FTN, but as it wasn't critical to where my mind has been at lately, it had to fall by the wayside, but I'm feeling the desire to reconnect.

    Same here (soft spot / recurring interests etc. call it what you will) and nice to reconnect again with you.

    Best, Paul

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  • From Black Panther@21:1/186 to Vk3jed on Mon Dec 20 19:24:36 2021
    On 17 Dec 2021, 07:48p, Vk3jed said the following...

    You probably noticed I've been quiet. There's a reason for that. I had
    a burnout episode earlier this year that selectively took out a few hobbies and dramatically affected my executive functioning and working memory - a _really_ bad case of CRAFT (Can't Remember A F&^%(%& Thing!) diease.

    Welcome back! I was starting to wonder if everything was alright on that end, as I hadn't heard from you in quite awhile.

    I can understand about burnout. What I started doing, is rotating between different projects, or even just watching some mp4 files that I've got here. This is actually the first time I've been on here in about a week, so I'm a bit late to the party...

    A combination of factors seems to be involved - reading mail is a routine activity that occurs (bad for ADHD with so many more distractions in the 2020s), and over a year of adapting to constantly changing COVID restrictions took their toll. I'm still not 100% on this, but have got
    to the point I can tolerate a little selective mail reading. :)

    Just keep hanging in there. It's been a rough couple years, and I hope things start looking better soon.

    You have no idea how good it is to see messages from Vk3jed again. ;)


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  • From Avon@21:1/101 to Black Panther on Tue Dec 21 15:28:22 2021
    On 20 Dec 2021 at 07:24p, Black Panther pondered and said...

    You have no idea how good it is to see messages from Vk3jed again. ;)

    I second that!

    here. This is actually the first time I've been on here in about a week, so I'm a bit late to the party...

    ..and I third that too...

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  • From Vk3jed@21:1/109 to Avon on Wed Dec 22 18:39:00 2021
    On 12-21-21 14:52, Avon wrote to Vk3jed <=-

    I figured you would pop back in to the scene when the time was right
    for you. I could see some of the social updates regarding exercise so
    knew you busy leading an (as always) active and health life. You're a
    good role model!

    Yeah, BBSing has been a big part of a crucial phase of life, something I'll never completely walk away from. :)

    That's tough... the one thing we can seemingly be certain about all of this is that darn uncertainty.

    Yeah, with executive functioning difficulties, those issues are magnified. I still have to book an appointment with the doc for a referral to a psychiatrist for an ADHD assessment, to really get to the bottom of this issue.

    For now I am boxing on with the system I set up as it seems hard to
    redo it all from scratch but you never know I may change my mind and
    find a second wind :)

    Second time isn't as hard as the first. :)

    This sound very interesting. An amateur protocol? If yes, look forward
    to chatting out it in the FSX_HAM echo with you.

    Yep, M17 is purely amateur. I've done a demonstration and a presentation (also with demo!). Both are on YouTube. :)

    Demo
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_7fs1px2YT0&t=31s

    Presentation
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jB_7FMnY_WY&t=330s

    Yeah but only to learn about it not make any money it all sounds like
    to do that you need high end gear and a years supply of free power :)

    Yeah, and that's now giving crypto a bit of a bad name.

    Good news for you both!

    Yeah new house, new shack. :)

    Yes, I have a soft spot for FTN, but as it wasn't critical to where my mind has been at lately, it had to fall by the wayside, but I'm feeling the desire to reconnect.

    Same here (soft spot / recurring interests etc. call it what you will)
    and nice to reconnect again with you.

    Yep, we're similar that way. :)


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  • From Vk3jed@21:1/109 to Black Panther on Wed Dec 22 18:44:00 2021
    On 12-20-21 19:24, Black Panther wrote to Vk3jed <=-

    Welcome back! I was starting to wonder if everything was alright on
    that end, as I hadn't heard from you in quite awhile.

    Mostly yeah :)

    I can understand about burnout. What I started doing, is rotating
    between different projects, or even just watching some mp4 files that
    I've got here. This is actually the first time I've been on here in
    about a week, so I'm a bit late to the party...

    I tend to gravitate to what gives me more of what I need at the time. That's all intuitive. :)

    Just keep hanging in there. It's been a rough couple years, and I hope things start looking better soon.

    Yeah, I've come through relatively unscathed, compared to many - covid kilos in the negative range (through fitness!), overall mental health in reasonably good shape.

    You have no idea how good it is to see messages from Vk3jed again. ;)

    Gee, didn't think I meant that much! :)


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  • From Avon@21:1/101 to Vk3jed on Fri Dec 24 12:48:34 2021
    On 22 Dec 2021 at 06:39p, Vk3jed pondered and said...

    Yeah, BBSing has been a big part of a crucial phase of life, something I'll never completely walk away from. :)

    I've really enjoyed the hobby since coming back circa 2013. I think I'm much like you in this regard, it's going to be something I keep in touch with and involved with from here on in :)

    For now I am boxing on with the system I set up as it seems hard to redo it all from scratch but you never know I may change my mind and find a second wind :)

    Second time isn't as hard as the first. :)

    I think I'll prob get a 1TB HDD and work on setting up something new in the new year.

    Yep, M17 is purely amateur. I've done a demonstration and a
    presentation (also with demo!). Both are on YouTube. :)

    thanks for the links I'll check them out over the holidays

    Yeah, and that's now giving crypto a bit of a bad name.

    Probably fair enough too... it seems like there are some crypto currencies that don't require as much proof of work to compute so that may be a saving grace for some of them.

    Yep, we're similar that way. :)

    :0

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  • From poindexter FORTRAN@21:4/122 to Avon on Fri Dec 24 09:32:00 2021
    Avon wrote to Vk3jed <=-

    I've really enjoyed the hobby since coming back circa 2013. I think I'm much like you in this regard, it's going to be something I keep in
    touch with and involved with from here on in :)

    I've spent most every morning with a cup of coffee and the BBS since 1991.
    Not sure what I'd do with my mornings without BBSes. :)




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  • From Avon@21:1/101 to poindexter FORTRAN on Sat Dec 25 18:53:56 2021
    On 24 Dec 2021 at 09:32a, poindexter FORTRAN pondered and said...

    I've spent most every morning with a cup of coffee and the BBS since
    1991. Not sure what I'd do with my mornings without BBSes. :)

    Heh... yeah, I know that feeling too.

    I'm making dedicated time to check in and read/reply to stuff at the moment. Trying to find balance so not 100% into the hobby as I once was but then I don't think that ever ends well. I think it's a personality trait of mine. My wife attests to how I can go down the rabbit hole with an interest at the expense of many other things.

    First it was Low Power Radio broadcasting, then BBS... between those two I am easily able to chew up quite a bit of time.

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  • From Vk3jed@21:1/109 to Avon on Sat Dec 25 17:41:00 2021
    On 12-24-21 12:48, Avon wrote to Vk3jed <=-

    I've really enjoyed the hobby since coming back circa 2013. I think I'm much like you in this regard, it's going to be something I keep in
    touch with and involved with from here on in :)

    For me, BBSing (and later, the Internet) played an important role at a crucial time in my life, in the early 90s. That's what makes it so special all these years later.

    I think I'll prob get a 1TB HDD and work on setting up something new in the new year.

    Hmm, not going SSD? :) These days, I'd go SSD for the OS and BBS software, HDD would be a good choice if you want to host huge file archives.

    Yep, M17 is purely amateur. I've done a demonstration and a
    presentation (also with demo!). Both are on YouTube. :)

    thanks for the links I'll check them out over the holidays

    Enjoy! Maybe we'll work each other on M17 sometime? ;)

    Yeah, and that's now giving crypto a bit of a bad name.

    Probably fair enough too... it seems like there are some crypto
    currencies that don't require as much proof of work to compute so that
    may be a saving grace for some of them.

    Yes, there are crypto currencies that use different ways of validation that don't require as much processing power.



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  • From Vk3jed@21:1/109 to Avon on Sat Dec 25 18:49:00 2021
    On 12-25-21 18:53, Avon wrote to poindexter FORTRAN <=-

    I'm making dedicated time to check in and read/reply to stuff at the moment. Trying to find balance so not 100% into the hobby as I once was but then I don't think that ever ends well. I think it's a personality trait of mine. My wife attests to how I can go down the rabbit hole
    with an interest at the expense of many other things.

    Always a tricky balancing act. :)

    First it was Low Power Radio broadcasting, then BBS... between those
    two I am easily able to chew up quite a bit of time.

    Haha for me it's a mix of ham radio, BBSing and sport, with them all playing crucial roles in getting through the last 2 years. :) And two of those have definitely been rabbit holes - ham radio, since discovering DV modes, especially M17, where it's all experimentation and testing, along with sport - finding ways to push myself ever harder, in the quest for more speed. Ran my fastest 100m time in almost 4 years last Saturday. :)


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  • From Ogg@21:4/106.21 to Avon on Sat Dec 25 08:33:00 2021
    Hello Avon!

    ** On Saturday 25.12.21 - 18:53, Avon wrote to poindexter FORTRAN:

    I'm making dedicated time to check in and read/reply to stuff at the moment. Trying to find balance so not 100% into the hobby as I once was
    but then I don't think that ever ends well. I think it's a personality trait of mine. My wife attests to how I can go down the rabbit hole with
    an interest at the expense of many other things.

    And your wife doesn't have hobbies/interests of her own? ..or
    haven't you noticed? <G>


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  • From Avon@21:1/101 to Vk3jed on Mon Dec 27 10:35:12 2021
    On 25 Dec 2021 at 05:41p, Vk3jed pondered and said...

    I think I'll prob get a 1TB HDD and work on setting up something new the new year.

    Hmm, not going SSD? :) These days, I'd go SSD for the OS and BBS software, HDD would be a good choice if you want to host huge file archives.

    I worry about their longevity and feel more comfortable with a old clunky bit of spinning metal :)

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  • From Avon@21:1/101 to Vk3jed on Mon Dec 27 10:37:22 2021
    On 25 Dec 2021 at 06:49p, Vk3jed pondered and said...

    of those have definitely been rabbit holes - ham radio, since
    discovering DV modes, especially M17, where it's all experimentation and testing, along with sport - finding ways to push myself ever harder, in the quest for more speed. Ran my fastest 100m time in almost 4 years
    last Saturday. :)

    congrats on the time, that's cool. Yes I will try to read up on M17 over the holiday season.

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  • From Avon@21:1/101 to Ogg on Mon Dec 27 10:40:32 2021
    On 25 Dec 2021 at 08:33a, Ogg pondered and said...

    trait of mine. My wife attests to how I can go down the rabbit hole wi an interest at the expense of many other things.

    And your wife doesn't have hobbies/interests of her own? ..or
    haven't you noticed? <G>

    Oh yes she has her own, but she can see how focused I can get on mine. It's just the way I must be wired I guess.

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  • From McDoob@21:4/135 to Avon on Sun Dec 26 17:09:42 2021
    I worry about their longevity and feel more comfortable with a old
    clunky bit of spinning metal :)


    Really? (o_O)

    You're aware that most SSD warranties are FAR longer than HDD warranties,
    yes? Typical SSD warranties today are 5-10 years, or 1-5 PB written...The
    best HDD warranty I ever saw was 3 years.

    I mean, yes, that was a thing, in the beginning...back in 2005...and everyone who was designing SSDs KNEW. Which is why they've worked so hard on that very thing.

    I just recently upgraded my 256 GB NVME SSD to a 1TB, after about three years. Not because it was broken, only because I wanted more space. This new SSD is honestly a bit slower than the old one, but still orders of magnitude faster than a platter.

    In fact, I've kept the old SSD in the system, and I'm using it as a cache for my platter drives. That's going to sound insane to you, but...

    It's only three years old, and it's warrantied for ten. It only has 16 TB written, and it's warrantied for 1 PB (1000 TB). And, even with a RAID 0
    array, I can easily tell when I'm loading from disk or cache.

    Orders of magnitude, man! \(@_@)/

    Beyond that, SSDs have another huge advantage: no moving parts. This is particularly important for laptops etc. It is literally impossible to have platter scratches in a SSD.

    Most importantly, the price per GB is very close to equal nowadays, to a
    point. HDDs still hold the max storage crown. But, 1 TB or less, some SSDs
    are actually CHEAPER than an equivalent HDD.

    Think of it this way: SSD is to HDD as MP3 is to CD.

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  • From Arelor@21:2/138 to McDoob on Sun Dec 26 19:33:48 2021
    Re: Re: I'm BAAAAAACK! (I think)
    By: McDoob to Avon on Sun Dec 26 2021 05:09 pm

    Think of it this way: SSD is to HDD as MP3 is to CD.


    Do you mean "apples to oranges"?

    If you cant to compare wave to something mode modern, compare it to a lossless codec such as flac :-)

    I have seen bad mp3 encodings to consider mp3 not necessarily an upgrade from wave.

    Returning to SSD, performance is very situational. If you do mostly reads then it will be fine. If you do many small writes regularly, an SSD will make you consider suicide. SSDs perform writes by deleting the whole block they intend to write, then writing the data on it...

    ...except delete-blocks are usually bigger than write-blocks. If you intend to write a misserable byte, the SSD ends up deleting a whole block (I think they use 512 bytes block for deletion nowadays but I'd have to check), then write the 8 bytes, then write the rest of the block they deleted back into its previous status.

    This is the reason why filesystem gurus were mad with block alignment on SSDs back in the day. If your filesystem blocks didn't fall within the boundaries of the SSD logical blocks, writing 8 bytes could catch the end of a block and the begining of the next, causing the device to perform a VAST ammount of work for what should have been a trivial operation.

    Tools suck as fdisk changed their default partition offsets precisely to make it more likely for filesystems to be aligned with the underlying logical blocks.

    TL;DR: If you are not careful your SSD may be writting 10 times the data you think it is writting.

    This is problematic when you try to use block device encryption on an SSD, since the filesystem is not aware of the device it lives on (it runs on an encryption abstrabction layer). Encryption layers such as cryptsetup may be forced to be more transparent and optimized when it comes to SSDs, but this comes at the price of lowering the security level (and is the main reason why cryptsetup uses no SSD optimizations by default).

    Also, it is harder to guarantee that data you write on an SSD actually hits the part of the SSD you are targetting. If you attempt to overwrite a specific block, the firmware may apply wear-leveling techniques and apply the write to some other block, and you'd be none the wiser. This used to be a risk with spinning drives (atempting to overwrite a defective sector would cause the drive to remap the write, leaving the original block readable on the disk) but with SSDs it is nearly guaranteed.

    So,

    I am a scavenger and work with whatever computer parts I can recycle. It is not like I get to choose a lot. If I could choose I would use SSDs for data that does not change much (such as operating system data) and HDDs for data that changes very often, very quickly.

    Enterprise storage centers use SSDs as read caches, placed in front of vast arrays of HDDs. Food for thought.


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  • From McDoob@21:4/135 to Arelor on Sun Dec 26 22:39:06 2021
    Think of it this way: SSD is to HDD as MP3 is to CD.


    Do you mean "apples to oranges"?


    No. I meant MP3 to CD.

    If you cant to compare wave to something mode modern, compare it to a lossless codec such as flac :-)


    You're missing the point. It is literally impossible to scratch a *.mp3 file...unless you try. But, any CD, no matter its encoding, is very easily damaged, with just a bump...

    Returning to SSD, performance is very situational. If you do mostly
    reads then it will be fine. If you do many small writes regularly, an
    SSD will make you consider suicide. SSDs perform writes by deleting the whole block they intend to write, then writing the data on it...

    ...except delete-blocks are usually bigger than write-blocks. If you intend to write a misserable byte, the SSD ends up deleting a whole
    block (I think they use 512 bytes block for deletion nowadays but I'd
    have to check), then write the 8 bytes, then write the rest of the block they deleted back into its previous status.


    Excuse me, sir! Are you not familiar with NTFS, or ext3? I feel confident in saying that your argument is completely dealt with by modern formats. BOTH systems know how to 'trim'.

    This is the reason why filesystem gurus were mad with block alignment on SSDs back in the day. If your filesystem blocks didn't fall within the boundaries of the SSD logical blocks, writing 8 bytes could catch the
    end of a block and the begining of the next, causing the device to
    perform a VAST ammount of work for what should have been a trivial operation.


    You are definitely not wrong! There was a huge issue with 4kb
    alignment...back in the day...

    Unfortunately, today doesn't qualify as "back in the day". And NTFS/EXT3 exists!

    TL;DR: If you are not careful your SSD may be writting 10 times the data you think it is writting.

    Wait...you really believe this? (o_0)

    It doesn't matter what filesystem is used. Every SSD uses 'intelligent TRIM', now, even if the OS doesn't. A decade ago, you would be very correct! Today, you are very wrong.

    This is problematic when you try to use block device encryption on an
    SSD, since the filesystem is not aware of the device it lives on (it
    runs on an encryption abstrabction layer). Encryption layers such as cryptsetup may be forced to be more transparent and optimized when it comes to SSDs, but this comes at the price of lowering the security
    level (and is the main reason why cryptsetup uses no SSD optimizations
    by default).


    I cannot comment on this. I have no reason to encrypt my storage. I don't
    care who sees my porn...and I prefer performance over security.

    Also, it is harder to guarantee that data you write on an SSD actually hits the part of the SSD you are targetting. If you attempt to overwrite
    a specific block, the firmware may apply wear-leveling techniques and apply the write to some other block, and you'd be none the wiser. This used to be a risk with spinning drives (atempting to overwrite a
    defective sector would cause the drive to remap the write, leaving the original block readable on the disk) but with SSDs it is nearly guaranteed.


    Um...yeah...that's the point? (o_O)

    I did mention the "intelligent TRIM" already, yes?
    Unless you're trying to code a defrag program (which should NEVER be used on a SSD), there is no reason to care about which specific sector contains the data you're looking for...ESPECIALLY on a SSD, which has basically zero seek time.

    I am a scavenger and work with whatever computer parts I can recycle. It is not like I get to choose a lot. If I could choose I would use SSDs
    for data that does not change much (such as operating system data) and HDDs for data that changes very often, very quickly.


    That explains a lot...

    You're not wrong, though. For the most part, I try to keep random writes off
    my SSD, too. That's what a cache is for.

    Enterprise storage centers use SSDs as read caches, placed in front of vast arrays of HDDs. Food for thought.


    Yeah...because SSDs are FASTER! Food for thought...

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  • From Arelor@21:2/138 to All on Mon Dec 27 03:52:16 2021
    You're missing the point. It is literally impossible to scratch a *.mp3 file...unless you try. But, any CD, no matter its encoding, is very easily damaged, with just a bump...

    My experience is that people is more competent keeping CDs safe than mp3 collections safe.

    Average Joe TM is very likely to lose his whole collection to software errors, hardware failure and whatever have you, because Average Joe TM does not have a proper strategy for data preservation. CDs, on the other hand, are likely to survive the death of Average Joe's computer.

    DVDs seem to be more fragile than music CDs, but a music CD can withstand use for 20 years, which is more than Average Joe's TM dataset will survive in hard drive storage.

    (If you use a file integrity database, multiple offline and remote backups, and a way to restore dataset to an arbitrary point in time, then flac beats the crap out of CDs)

    Returning to the SSDs

    Precisely the reason why filesystems need TRIM capabilities is because there is a problem to be solved. You don't use a solution if there is not a problem :-) Besides, some device's TRIM implementation leave a lot to be desired, which is the reason why these devices have TRIM instructions blacklisted in the Linux kernel. Also, TRIM's garbage collection takes a while to kick in, so if you
    are attemptiing high load write cycles I don't think TRIM will be able to keep up until you stop writing.

    There are legit reasons for wanting to overwrite a specific data block in a storage device. The most common one is physically removing a piece of data (which you usually don't achieve by unlink()ing a file). But then, SSDs are a nightmare there because a) wear levelling may be directing your data streams anywhere and b) many SSDs are known to keep data in write caches, so an old piece of data could still be found via forensic analisys in such cache.

    Also, the Wikipedia article for write amplification contains an example in which a 4KiB write ends up causing a write of 64 4KiB blocks. So yes, write amplification can get really really bad with some drives.

    I don't think there is no excuse in 2021 for not using Pseudo-Full Disk Encryption in portable computers, unless your operating system is so lame there is no easy way to achieve it or its PFDE implementations are bad. If performance was a concern I'd rather use block device encryption with TRIM support enabled and degraded security. Personal laptops which are allegedly used "only for porn" have a tendency to contain lots of session cookies, website access credentials, and important data the user deleted but the operating system still keeps somewhere, awaiting garbage collection. Desktop computers get a pass because they are less likely to get lost or stolen, but the risks you mitigate using PFDE on a laptop are well worth the 3% CPU performance hit.

    My point is not that SSDs suck. It is that SSDs are not universally better. I think they are better for read intensive tasks and their survivability for portable devices is an improvement... but if I wanted to build a software compilation cluster which writes small files faster than the terminal can track the writes, I´'d rather use something else.

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  • From McDoob@21:4/135 to Arelor on Mon Dec 27 06:31:36 2021
    My experience is that people is more competent keeping CDs safe than mp3 collections safe.

    Average Joe TM is very likely to lose his whole collection to software errors, hardware failure and whatever have you, because Average Joe TM does not have a proper strategy for data preservation. CDs, on the other hand, are likely to survive the death of Average Joe's computer.


    To be clear, I am neither average, nor Joe.
    And you are blowing your argument out of proportion. Don't do that with me.

    DVDs seem to be more fragile than music CDs, but a music CD can
    withstand use for 20 years, which is more than Average Joe's TM dataset will survive in hard drive storage.


    I have several ACTUAL 20-year-old CDs. I double-(no-fuck-that-triple)-dare you to recover every bit on them. *average joe says hi* \(^_^)

    (If you use a file integrity database, multiple offline and remote backups, and a way to restore dataset to an arbitrary point in time,
    then flac beats the crap out of CDs)


    Yeah, okay. Because every *average joe* obviously makes multiple duplicates
    of every CD he ever buys...

    Oh, wait. That's illegal! (o_O)

    Shake your head. If you hear a rattle, consult a doctor.

    Returning to the SSDs


    No.

    You don't even understand how CDs work! How do you expect me to accept
    your opinion on SSDs?

    Fine...I'll humour you...

    Precisely the reason why filesystems need TRIM capabilities is because there is a problem to be solved. You don't use a solution if there is
    not a problem :-)

    Uh, yeah...thanks for pointing out the problem I already mentioned...

    which is the reason why these devices have TRIM
    instructions blacklisted in the Linux kernel.

    Quite literally false. Perhaps one of us knows more about Linux than the
    other?

    Also, TRIM's garbage
    collection takes a while to kick in, so if you are attemptiing high load write cycles I don't think TRIM will be able to keep up until you stop writing.


    Finally, you're correct! And yet...*average joe* doesn't even notice this
    in reality...

    data in write caches, so an old piece of data could still be found via forensic analisys in such cache.

    Because *average joe* cares about 'forensic analysis', right? (O_o)

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    Sorry, were you still pretending that you know more than *average joe*?

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  • From Arelor@21:2/138 to McDoob on Mon Dec 27 06:21:22 2021
    Re: Re: I'm BAAAAAACK! (I think)
    By: McDoob to Arelor on Mon Dec 27 2021 06:31 am

    Sorry, were you still pretending that you know more than *average joe*?


    The fact it is yor birthday does not give you a free excuse for acting
    passive aggressive just because you found a Vim user on the Internet and you happen to prever Emacs.

    It is obvious any discussion involving hardware performance has the potential of getting people angry. Therefore I suggest adding discussions about hardware performance to the list of banned subjects.


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  • From Arelor@21:2/138 to McDoob on Mon Dec 27 06:49:24 2021
    Re: Re: I'm BAAAAAACK! (I think)
    By: McDoob to Arelor on Mon Dec 27 2021 06:31 am

    which is the reason why these devices have TRIM
    instructions blacklisted in the Linux kernel.

    Quite literally false. Perhaps one of us knows more about Linux than the other?


    https://github.com/torvalds/linux/blob/master/drivers/ata/libata-core.c


    You may scan that kernel file for the SSDs which have blacklisted queued
    TRIM commands and for the drives that have TRIM outright disabled.







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  • From Gamgee@21:2/138 to McDoob on Mon Dec 27 12:30:00 2021
    McDoob wrote to Arelor <=-

    My experience is that people is more competent keeping CDs safe than mp3 collections safe.

    Average Joe TM is very likely to lose his whole collection to software errors, hardware failure and whatever have you, because Average Joe TM does not have a proper strategy for data preservation. CDs, on the other hand, are likely to survive the death of Average Joe's computer.

    To be clear, I am neither average, nor Joe.
    And you are blowing your argument out of proportion. Don't do
    that with me.

    <SNIP remaining insults>

    You're pretty arrogant and mouthy, for a McNoob. Chill.



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  • From apam@21:1/151 to Arelor on Tue Dec 28 13:30:10 2021
    It is obvious any discussion involving hardware performance has the potential
    of getting people angry. Therefore I suggest adding discussions about hardware performance to the list of banned subjects.

    That sounds very passive aggressive to me.
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  • From Atreyu@21:1/176 to Apam on Mon Dec 27 22:40:12 2021
    On 28 Dec 21 13:30:11, Apam said the following to Arelor:

    It is obvious any discussion involving hardware performance has the potential
    of getting people angry. Therefore I suggest adding discussions about hardware performance to the list of banned subjects.

    That sounds very passive aggressive to me.

    Agreed. There shouldn't be any rules... seperate echoes for whatever is fine.

    I've endured decades of "If you don't like what I say, press the Next key" and........... they've been right.

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  • From Atreyu@21:1/176 to Mcdoob on Mon Dec 27 22:46:50 2021
    On 27 Dec 21 06:31:37, Mcdoob said the following to Arelor:

    I have several ACTUAL 20-year-old CDs. I double-(no-fuck-that-triple)-dare y to recover every bit on them. *average joe says hi* \(^_^)

    I have thousands of CD's in my collection... factory-pressed... first pressings going back to 1983/84 I think and they still play perfectly.

    Atreyu

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  • From Arelor@21:2/138 to Atreyu on Tue Dec 28 03:27:22 2021
    Re: Re: I'm BAAAAAACK! (I think)
    By: Atreyu to Apam on Mon Dec 27 2021 10:40 pm

    On 28 Dec 21 13:30:11, Apam said the following to Arelor:

    It is obvious any discussion involving hardware performance has the potential
    of getting people angry. Therefore I suggest adding discussions about hardware performance to the list of banned subjects.

    That sounds very passive aggressive to me.

    Agreed. There shouldn't be any rules... seperate echoes for whatever is fine

    I've endured decades of "If you don't like what I say, press the Next key" and........... they've been right.

    Atreyu

    Actually I think you guys are the passive aggressive people here.

    If somebody brings up a discussion you don't want to see, you ban the subject on the grounds that it may get people heated.

    Then somebody posts a message which attempts, outright and with no ambiguity, to ridicule me, and I joke we should ban the subject because it gets people heated, and instead of saying anything against the actual infractor you complain for my behavior.

    So much for a welcoming space.

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  • From Vk3jed@21:1/109 to Avon on Mon Dec 27 18:08:00 2021
    On 12-27-21 10:35, Avon wrote to Vk3jed <=-

    On 25 Dec 2021 at 05:41p, Vk3jed pondered and said...

    I think I'll prob get a 1TB HDD and work on setting up something new the new year.

    Hmm, not going SSD? :) These days, I'd go SSD for the OS and BBS software, HDD would be a good choice if you want to host huge file archives.

    I worry about their longevity and feel more comfortable with a old
    clunky bit of spinning metal :)

    I dunno, I've had bad run ins with spinning metal. The only lump of spinning metal I'd trust for more than a few years is Babylon 5. :D


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  • From Vk3jed@21:1/109 to Avon on Mon Dec 27 18:19:00 2021
    On 12-27-21 10:37, Avon wrote to Vk3jed <=-

    congrats on the time, that's cool. Yes I will try to read up on M17
    over the holiday season.

    Time was 13.22. :)

    And yeah, M17 is cool if you like playing on the bleeding edge (I do). And being 100% open is nice too.


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  • From apam@21:1/151 to Arelor on Tue Dec 28 21:04:26 2021
    Then somebody posts a message which attempts, outright and with no ambiguity, to ridicule me.

    Umm, I'm pretty sure you started the ridiculing, at least that was how
    your message was received.

    to ridicule me, and I joke we should ban the subject because it gets
    people
    heated, and instead of saying anything against the actual infractor
    you complain for my behavior.

    If you're going to tell a joke, make sure to put smiley faces in it,
    because to me, it came across as sarcasm, a passive aggressive dig at the
    no politics rule.

    So much for a welcoming space.

    Shrug. Seems welcoming enough to me, you reap what you sow though.

    I'm not really invested in this. I just saw you two exchanging in your
    battle of who has the most geek knowledge and found it funny, mostly
    because it seemed like neither of you really knew what you were talking
    about. Not that I do either, I was somewhat drunk.

    Perhaps, if you are feeling unwelcome, desist in the topic.

    Andrew

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  • From Arelor@21:2/138 to Vk3jed on Tue Dec 28 05:36:26 2021
    Re: Re: I'm BAAAAAACK! (I think)
    By: Vk3jed to Avon on Mon Dec 27 2021 06:08 pm

    On 12-27-21 10:35, Avon wrote to Vk3jed <=-

    On 25 Dec 2021 at 05:41p, Vk3jed pondered and said...

    I think I'll prob get a 1TB HDD and work on setting up something n the new year.

    Hmm, not going SSD? :) These days, I'd go SSD for the OS and BBS software, HDD would be a good choice if you want to host huge file archives.

    I worry about their longevity and feel more comfortable with a old clunky bit of spinning metal :)

    I dunno, I've had bad run ins with spinning metal. The only lump of spinnin metal I'd trust for more than a few years is Babylon 5. :D



    All storage devices die. Spinning metal is not that bad in that regard as long as you don't abuse it.

    SSDs should be safer to use if you expect to abuse of the drive by moving it much while running, dropping it etc. I think an SSD is more survivable for portable devices. For stationary workstatios, I trust traditional drives more.

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  • From Arelor@21:2/138 to apam on Tue Dec 28 05:38:22 2021
    Re: Re: I'm BAAAAAACK! (I think)
    By: apam to Arelor on Tue Dec 28 2021 09:04 pm

    Umm, I'm pretty sure you started the ridiculing, at least that was how
    your message was received.


    Please explain to me at which point I started ridiculing people.

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  • From apam@21:1/151 to Arelor on Tue Dec 28 22:18:16 2021
    Please explain to me at which point I started ridiculing people.

    Probably the average joe (tm) part was percieved as ridiculing, although
    it probably wasn't intended that way. Reading over it again, it looks as
    though you meant average people, not "McDoob" is an average joe.

    People read different things into text.

    Andrew

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  • From Gamgee@21:2/138 to apam on Tue Dec 28 10:24:00 2021
    apam wrote to Arelor <=-

    Please explain to me at which point I started ridiculing people.

    Probably the average joe (tm) part was percieved as ridiculing,
    although it probably wasn't intended that way. Reading over it
    again, it looks as though you meant average people, not "McDoob"
    is an average joe.

    It clearly wasn't meant that way. There's really no other way to
    interpret what he said, unless one is looking for something to start
    a fight with.

    People read different things into text.

    Yes. That seems to happen to you frequently, eh? Perhaps you
    should make it a practice to "read over it again" before responding.


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  • From McDoob@21:4/135 to Gamgee on Tue Dec 28 11:47:32 2021
    Please explain to me at which point I started ridiculing people.

    Probably the average joe (tm) part was percieved as ridiculing, although it probably wasn't intended that way. Reading over it
    again, it looks as though you meant average people, not "McDoob"
    is an average joe.

    People read different things into text.

    Yes. That seems to happen to you frequently, eh? Perhaps you
    should make it a practice to "read over it again" before responding.


    Jeez! I really stirred the pot, didn't I?

    First thing, I'd like to apologize for the tone of that message. I was drunk,
    I was already annoyed by my neighbour, and I honestly felt like the 'average joe' remarks were pretty condescending.

    Second, every one needs to take a breath, and stop hammering on each other. Don't forget your Chrismas spirit just because I did!

    McDoob
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  • From Avon@21:1/101 to McDoob on Wed Dec 29 09:09:38 2021
    On 28 Dec 2021 at 11:47a, McDoob pondered and said...

    Jeez! I really stirred the pot, didn't I?
    First thing, I'd like to apologize for the tone of that message. I was drunk, I was already annoyed by my neighbour, and I honestly felt like
    the 'average joe' remarks were pretty condescending.
    Second, every one needs to take a breath, and stop hammering on each other. Don't forget your Chrismas spirit just because I did!

    Thanks good sir. Nice follow-up post. Kudos.

    What follows is not directed specifically at you but rather my wider musings for group consumption

    I have not followed this thread closely but it's a good example of how tone can be inferred into text when there is (or is not) the intent behind it. This is an age old chestnut of any text based chat group(s).

    Things can often be solved amicably by clearly restating intent or parties agreeing to disagree in an amicable tone.

    Where I see things becoming less amicable is often because some parties involved in an exchange may have had a history of past exchanges where they have disagreed on other topics etc.

    If folks do their best to keep the network values in mind when they post stuff (or in the follow up discourse to something posted) things generally run fairly smoothly.

    - Have fun!
    - Keep it simple
    - Be kind, respectful and helpful
    - Reject disruptive conduct that willfully incites discord

    Thanks all...

    Hope your holiday season is going well for you and you have not maxed out on the chocolates :) Like me!

    Best, Paul

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  • From seeLive@21:2/128 to Avon on Tue Dec 28 17:59:54 2021
    Well said, Paul.

    _____________________________________________________________________

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  • From Arelor@21:2/138 to McDoob on Tue Dec 28 17:31:00 2021
    Re: Re: I'm BAAAAAACK! (I think)
    By: McDoob to Gamgee on Tue Dec 28 2021 11:47 am

    First thing, I'd like to apologize for the tone of that message. I was drunk,
    I was already annoyed by my neighbour, and I honestly felt like the 'average joe'
    remarks were pretty condescending.


    Well, I accept the apology.

    They have a saying at Crypto For Liberty. Don't drink and IRC :-) I try not to drink
    out of home because I am the sort of guy who ends up hugging buddies and telling them
    how much I love them after having a beer or two :-S

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  • From Vk3jed@21:1/109 to Arelor on Wed Dec 29 18:05:00 2021
    On 12-28-21 05:36, Arelor wrote to Vk3jed <=-

    All storage devices die. Spinning metal is not that bad in that regard
    as long as you don't abuse it.

    True, most HDDs do last well. Going to get duds with any technology. :)

    SSDs should be safer to use if you expect to abuse of the drive by
    moving it much while running, dropping it etc. I think an SSD is more survivable for portable devices. For stationary workstatios, I trust traditional drives more.

    My current laptop has a SSD (wouldn't use anything else in a laptop these days). I have one on the BBS machine as well, since it can be easily powered by the Banana Pi. I also installed a SSD in an old PC, which is now a Linux desktop. Made a huge improvement on performance.

    I'd like to get the OS drive on the other desktops changed to SSD at some stage, but retain HDDs for bulk storage.


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  • From Adept@21:2/108 to Avon on Wed Jan 5 21:36:50 2022
    trait of mine. My wife attests to how I can go down the rabbit hole with an interest at the expense of many other things.

    First it was Low Power Radio broadcasting, then BBS... between those two
    I am easily able to chew up quite a bit of time.

    I _like_ that sort of thing -- I think it's neat to get deeply into
    something, but then largely back off of it, and get deeply into something
    else.

    But I guess it kind of depends on the sort of hobby, and what sort of commitments you get yourself into.

    E.g., in your case, you're running this message network, and if you get to
    the point where it's just not enjoyable enough to be worth the work, then the network goes away and we all lose that resource.

    But hopefully having it at a lower percentage, and giving yourself more time for other things helps retain the balance.

    For me, I've gone down rabbit holes of BBSing, juggling, a few computer-based art projects of one sort or another, a couple of wikis, and a variety of
    other projects.

    And I tend to poke at everything occasionally, but I do like getting the
    chance to stay on the steep part of the learning curve.

    Though not _too_ steep. Only so many times where, "now it's time to learn how to use GIMP!" is worth the pain.

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  • From Vk3jed@21:1/109 to All on Fri Dec 17 19:48:00 2021
    Hi all,

    You probably noticed I've been quiet. There's a reason for that. I had a burnout episode earlier this year that selectively took out a few hobbies and dramatically affected my executive functioning and working memory - a _really_ bad case of CRAFT (Can't Remember A F&^%(%& Thing!) diease.

    A combination of factors seems to be involved - reading mail is a routine activity that occurs (bad for ADHD with so many more distractions in the 2020s), and over a year of adapting to constantly changing COVID restrictions took their toll. I'm still not 100% on this, but have got to the point I can tolerate a little selective mail reading. :)

    Hope to see everyone around here more often. :)

    As an insurance policy against future burnout events, I've forwarded my netmail to email, which I pretty much have to check (and can do so in more places), so I can be reached on netmail or email regardless.

    Anyway, my sporting stuff is going well. I have managed to improve there, and ham radio has mostly kept up, though I'm more a tinkerer than operator these days (milder version of the same thing). Will chat more later. :)

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  • From Al@21:4/106 to Vk3jed on Fri Dec 17 01:29:38 2021
    Hello Vk3jed,

    Hi all,

    You probably noticed I've been quiet. There's a reason for that. I
    had a burnout episode earlier this year that selectively took out a
    few hobbies and dramatically affected my executive functioning and
    working memory - a _really_ bad case of CRAFT (Can't Remember A
    F&^%(%& Thing!) diease.

    I was wondering what happened to you.

    Good to see you back and I hope your recovery is speedy.

    Ttyl :-),
    Al

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  • From Vk3jed@21:1/109 to Al on Fri Dec 17 20:37:00 2021
    On 12-17-21 01:29, Al wrote to Vk3jed <=-

    Hello Vk3jed,

    Hi all,

    You probably noticed I've been quiet. There's a reason for that. I
    had a burnout episode earlier this year that selectively took out a
    few hobbies and dramatically affected my executive functioning and
    working memory - a _really_ bad case of CRAFT (Can't Remember A
    F&^%(%& Thing!) diease.

    I was wondering what happened to you.

    Yeah nothing serious. :)

    Good to see you back and I hope your recovery is speedy.

    It's always rather slow. The joys of living in a world not designed for me. It's lucky I have the ability to selectively drop things (don't know how, it's just something I'm able to do), because the alternatives are a meltdown or a shutdown, both of which are far more debilitating.


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  • From apam@21:1/151 to Vk3jed on Fri Dec 17 23:21:04 2021
    You probably noticed I've been quiet.

    I had! Was getting a little worried and hoping you were alright.

    Anyway, my sporting stuff is going well. I have managed to improve
    there, and
    ham radio has mostly kept up, though I'm more a tinkerer than operator
    these
    days (milder version of the same thing). Will chat more later. :)

    Sounds good

    Andrew


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  • From Gamgee@21:2/138 to Vk3jed on Fri Dec 17 07:54:00 2021
    Vk3jed wrote to All <=-

    You probably noticed I've been quiet. There's a reason for that.
    I had a burnout episode earlier this year that selectively took
    out a few hobbies and dramatically affected my executive
    functioning and working memory - a _really_ bad case of CRAFT
    (Can't Remember A F&^%(%& Thing!) diease.

    I had certainly noticed your absence. Welcome back and hope things
    continue to improve!



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  • From JoE DooM@21:1/230 to Vk3jed on Sat Dec 18 07:46:26 2021
    burnout episode earlier this year that selectively took out a few
    hobbies and
    dramatically affected my executive functioning and working memory - a

    Sorry to hear (read?) ... but welcome back. That sounds like it was
    rough. There are a lot of people that seem to be suffering similar with
    work these days. I'm not sure if being stir crazy from lockdowns is contributing or if it's just people are reassessing their lives now that
    they have more time on their hands, but I know of several people in
    completely different industries who have just quit their jobs with
    nothing to go to.

    Having it affect your memory though, sounds pretty sh!t to put it mildly.
    :( I hope you're recovering ok.

    Anyway, my sporting stuff is going well. I have managed to improve
    there, and

    I hear that excercise is good for focus and mental health, but I haven't
    had a chance to put that into practice yet. :)


    ham radio has mostly kept up, though I'm more a tinkerer than operator
    these
    days (milder version of the same thing). Will chat more later. :)

    ham radio is one of those hobbies I always wished I had the focus to
    learn properly.


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  • From McDoob@21:4/135 to Vk3jed on Fri Dec 17 14:50:46 2021
    Hope to see everyone around here more often. :)


    I am (still) the newest member of the fsxNet club, so I simply cannot comment on any other part of your message =X (Welcome back?)

    I'm a (currently un)licensed ham in Canada. And you've just taught me
    something new. I had assumed that Vx was reserved for my country. Turns out,
    we only get VA, VE, VO, and VY. I had never seen VK before now...

    Hope to see you around, too!

    McDoob
    SysOp, PiBBS
    pibbs.sytes.net

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  • From Avon@21:1/101 to Vk3jed on Sat Dec 18 09:39:48 2021
    On 17 Dec 2021 at 07:48p, Vk3jed pondered and said...

    Hi all,

    Hi Tony :)

    Thanks for posting and welcome back to the BBS scene. I've missed your posts and wondered how you were getting on. Sorry to hear about the burn out but also good that you have been able to take a break from things and then get back into stuff that appeals on your own terms. I'm glad that dipping your toe back into BBS echomail groups is one of them :)

    I've also been a bit burnt out with work, covid, juggling some family stuff (parents both unwell etc. etc.) so my active time on BBS stuff is reduced a bit for now. But I am making some time each week to catch up and do admin for fsxNet and when I am on I am enjoying it. I think because it's not feeling like a chore then, I'm doing stuff because I want to and when I want to.

    Moving to Linux has been a learning curve for me. Agency is still not right. I duffed permissions and set default stuff up wrong (I think) for permissions creation. I'm pondering a new HDD and starting over to try and resolve things but for now have not done so as it feels like an uphill battle to have to recover old ground and do stuff I barely know.

    Anywhoo... that all said, we're doing OK over this side of the ditch, Deon and Andrew and a few others wave 'hi' from Aussie to New Zealand from time to time. I think Andrew is donkey deep in building an OS and Deon is full on in HUB dev stuff too - it's great to see :)

    Me, I'm trying to keep the lawnmower going as it conked out the other day but eldest son came to the rescue and sorted it. Mixed feelings about that, a week off mowing grass can be a good think :)

    I have on my to-do to play with a spare Pi and try and set up some crypto mining just so I can learn about it. I also have to get some xmas music on Total FM as I have been slow to add it this year.

    I think for all of us, no matter where we are in the world, it's been a tough year with Covid and other stuff going on in our respective lives. I remain thankful I get to chat with nice folks here and meet others who come along from time to time that want to explore and play in BBSing and chat in echomail.

    There may be discord, telegram and all sorts of other ways to message but I still have a soft spot for retro echomail. Which kinda makes sense given I opted to set up a FTN network in the first place (as have you) I guess :)

    Be well good sir, nice to see you active, and best wishes for the upcoming Christmas season.

    Best, Paul

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  • From Blue White@21:4/134 to Vk3jed on Fri Dec 17 15:13:40 2021
    You probably noticed I've been quiet. There's a reason for that. I
    had a burnout episode earlier this year that selectively took out a few hobbies and dramatically affected my executive functioning and working memory - a _really_ bad case of CRAFT (Can't Remember A F&^%(%& Thing!) diease.

    Was wondering where you'd disappeared to. Glad to hear that things are
    getting better, and you seem to be coping better.


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  • From Vk3jed@21:1/109 to apam on Sun Dec 19 18:08:00 2021
    On 12-17-21 23:21, apam wrote to Vk3jed <=-

    You probably noticed I've been quiet.

    I had! Was getting a little worried and hoping you were alright.

    Yeah, I'm a survivor, things tend to turn off selectively. And if I disappear here, email should work. :)

    Anyway, my sporting stuff is going well. I have managed to improve
    there, and
    ham radio has mostly kept up, though I'm more a tinkerer than operator
    these
    days (milder version of the same thing). Will chat more later. :)

    Sounds good

    Yeah, actually ran some awesome times yesterday - 13.22 for 100m (best in 4 years) and we broke the local 4x100m relay record for the over 50s. :)



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  • From Vk3jed@21:1/109 to Gamgee on Sun Dec 19 18:09:00 2021
    On 12-17-21 07:54, Gamgee wrote to Vk3jed <=-

    I had certainly noticed your absence. Welcome back and hope things continue to improve!

    Yeah some recent good news should help. Eventually, a referral for ADHD assessment might yield longer term improvements, since that's suspected to be a contributing factor to the more severe areas.


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  • From Vk3jed@21:1/109 to JoE DooM on Sun Dec 19 18:14:00 2021
    On 12-18-21 07:46, JoE DooM wrote to Vk3jed <=-

    Sorry to hear (read?) ... but welcome back. That sounds like it was
    rough. There are a lot of people that seem to be suffering similar with work these days. I'm not sure if being stir crazy from lockdowns is contributing or if it's just people are reassessing their lives now
    that they have more time on their hands, but I know of several people
    in completely different industries who have just quit their jobs with nothing to go to.

    In some ways it sounds worse than it is, as that's my self management kicking in to some extent. Also, in part, my success at managing lockdown (and emerging in many ways better than I started) had this downside, because those functions are needed to plan for constantly changing rules. There was a hidden cost.

    Having it affect your memory though, sounds pretty sh!t to put it
    mildly. :( I hope you're recovering ok.

    Certain types of demand do have that effect with me. Not totally out of the woods, still gotta book a doctor's visit that has been eluding my attention (because of the reliance on phone calls or having to drop in).

    Anyway, my sporting stuff is going well. I have managed to improve
    there, and

    I hear that excercise is good for focus and mental health, but I
    haven't had a chance to put that into practice yet. :)

    Works for me - I tell people I take large doses of iron and speed. ;)


    ham radio has mostly kept up, though I'm more a tinkerer than operator
    these
    days (milder version of the same thing). Will chat more later. :)

    ham radio is one of those hobbies I always wished I had the focus to
    learn properly.

    Perfect lockdown hobby - social interaction at a distance and plenty of technical things to explore. I got into M17, which is a very new digital voice and data mode that's 100% open source. Fun area to play in. :)


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  • From Vk3jed@21:1/109 to McDoob on Sun Dec 19 18:16:00 2021
    On 12-17-21 14:50, McDoob wrote to Vk3jed <=-

    Hope to see everyone around here more often. :)


    I am (still) the newest member of the fsxNet club, so I simply cannot comment on any other part of your message =X (Welcome back?)

    Welcome aboard! I was one of the more active members until earlier this year, hoping to get more active again.

    I'm a (currently un)licensed ham in Canada. And you've just taught me something new. I had assumed that Vx was reserved for my country. Turns out, we only get VA, VE, VO, and VY. I had never seen VK before now...

    Hope you get your licence too, and there's plenty of options to work you, once you do. :)


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  • From Vk3jed@21:1/109 to Avon on Sun Dec 19 18:30:00 2021
    On 12-18-21 09:39, Avon wrote to Vk3jed <=-

    On 17 Dec 2021 at 07:48p, Vk3jed pondered and said...

    Hi all,

    Hi Tony :)

    Thanks for posting and welcome back to the BBS scene. I've missed your posts and wondered how you were getting on. Sorry to hear about the
    burn out but also good that you have been able to take a break from
    things and then get back into stuff that appeals on your own terms. I'm glad that dipping your toe back into BBS echomail groups is one of them
    :)

    Good to see you in here too, nice to be back. Was hoping no one thought that I had totally lost interest, that certainly wasn't the case, it's just during these episodes, it's a really bif feeling of CBF (can't be f&^$*Q), or making plans to get back on and promptly forgetting. Finally the barrier lowered enough. :)

    I've also been a bit burnt out with work, covid, juggling some family stuff (parents both unwell etc. etc.) so my active time on BBS stuff is reduced a bit for now. But I am making some time each week to catch up
    and do admin for fsxNet and when I am on I am enjoying it. I think
    because it's not feeling like a chore then, I'm doing stuff because I
    want to and when I want to.

    Yeah the contributing factors were covid, with the constant changing of the rules and keeping up with those, managing training, etc, and having to work out when and where to train each week, as regular venues became unavailable. I did keep the sporting side up and actually emerged from lockdown leaner (at least 1kg lighter) and with visibly better definition. Many people thought I'd lost quite a bit of weight.

    And yesterday on the track, the hard work started to bear fruit with my fastest 100m time in almost 4 years (13.22), a relay record for the 50+ age group and a really strong 400m in brutal windy conditions.

    Moving to Linux has been a learning curve for me. Agency is still not right. I duffed permissions and set default stuff up wrong (I think)
    for permissions creation. I'm pondering a new HDD and starting over to
    try and resolve things but for now have not done so as it feels like an uphill battle to have to recover old ground and do stuff I barely know.

    Yeah I forget I'm probably 25 years ahead of you on that learning curve. The trick with permissions is to ensure that all processes needing to access the same file system are run by the same user (not root!). My two systems run as sbbs (Synchronet) and mystic (Mystic), so to fix permissions, so the respective file trees are owned by the relevant user.

    Anywhoo... that all said, we're doing OK over this side of the ditch,
    Deon and Andrew and a few others wave 'hi' from Aussie to New Zealand
    from time to time. I think Andrew is donkey deep in building an OS and Deon is full on in HUB dev stuff too - it's great to see :)

    Sounds like all is fairly well in FSX land. I certainly haven't been idle. Besides training, I've been involved in M17 (a new voice and data mode, 100% open source and ham developed), buth testing implementations, reporting bugs, etc, as well as promoting the mode through presentations. The newsness and excitement has satisfied my needs of this year.

    Me, I'm trying to keep the lawnmower going as it conked out the other
    day but eldest son came to the rescue and sorted it. Mixed feelings
    about that, a week off mowing grass can be a good think :)

    Another thing we've been able to offload, thanks to NDIS funding. We now have a guy come in regularly to do the lawns and the government pays. :)

    I have on my to-do to play with a spare Pi and try and set up some
    crypto mining just so I can learn about it. I also have to get some
    xmas music on Total FM as I have been slow to add it this year.

    Hmm, crypto mining on a pi? That sounds like me doing gold mining here with a nail file (yes, it is believed there's still a lot of gold here, and there's very productive mines just out of town).

    I think for all of us, no matter where we are in the world, it's been a tough year with Covid and other stuff going on in our respective lives.
    I remain thankful I get to chat with nice folks here and meet others
    who come along from time to time that want to explore and play in
    BBSing and chat in echomail.

    Yeah, it has. As well as covid, we've had the run around with banks trying to get a loan for the new house, but that's now sorted, and the bottom line looks much better than I was anticipating.

    There may be discord, telegram and all sorts of other ways to message
    but I still have a soft spot for retro echomail. Which kinda makes
    sense given I opted to set up a FTN network in the first place (as have you) I guess :)

    Yes, I have a soft spot for FTN, but as it wasn't critical to where my mind has been at lately, it had to fall by the wayside, but I'm feeling the desire to reconnect.

    Be well good sir, nice to see you active, and best wishes for the
    upcoming Christmas season.

    You too! :)



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  • From Vk3jed@21:1/109 to Blue White on Sun Dec 19 18:32:00 2021
    On 12-17-21 15:13, Blue White wrote to Vk3jed <=-

    Was wondering where you'd disappeared to. Glad to hear that things are getting better, and you seem to be coping better.

    Yeah, definitely in a better place for echomail. It's not as serious as it sounds, just that my inner ability to manage resources kicked in for a while. Still some limitations, but the priorities are shifting in favour of echomail and BBSing. :)


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  • From JoE DooM@21:1/230 to Vk3jed on Sun Dec 19 21:29:04 2021
    these episodes, it's a really bif feeling of CBF (can't be f&^$*Q), or making
    plans to get back on and promptly forgetting. Finally the barrier

    On top of that I've found once you get out of the habit of doing
    something it's easy to keep putting off or forgetting like you say.

    Some of my drop-offs have been a few months (like the last few months)
    and some have been years. :)

    And yesterday on the track, the hard work started to bear fruit with
    my fastest
    100m time in almost 4 years (13.22), a relay record for the 50+ age
    group and a
    really strong 400m in brutal windy conditions.

    Wow! Congrats!

    Stick to the fruit and don't take up offers of beer from the likes of
    Avon! :D


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  • From Vk3jed@21:1/109 to JoE DooM on Sun Dec 19 19:43:00 2021
    On 12-19-21 21:29, JoE DooM wrote to Vk3jed <=-

    these episodes, it's a really bif feeling of CBF (can't be f&^$*Q), or making
    plans to get back on and promptly forgetting. Finally the barrier

    On top of that I've found once you get out of the habit of doing
    something it's easy to keep putting off or forgetting like you say.

    True! That's a trap as well. :)

    Some of my drop-offs have been a few months (like the last few months)
    and some have been years. :)

    I know that feeling, having just come back from a months long absence. :)

    And yesterday on the track, the hard work started to bear fruit with
    my fastest
    100m time in almost 4 years (13.22), a relay record for the 50+ age
    group and a
    really strong 400m in brutal windy conditions.

    Wow! Congrats!

    Yeah I'm pretty happy. Not bad for 53? :D I'm at a tipping point where my times could take a significant drop from where they are. :)

    Stick to the fruit and don't take up offers of beer from the likes of Avon! :D

    Haha no danger of that. ;)


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