³Do you know anything about the cyberciruja movement? Translation to english ³would be: cyberbums.
³They're a social political and hacktivist movement from Argentina, dedicated to
³gathering wasted, thrown out, disposed off, 'obsolete' tech and bring in it ³back to life and finding it a new home, giving it away to someone who could put
³it to use, after refurbishing it and getting it to work again.
ÀÄ[M=>PF]

I have not heard of it before reading this. That sounds like a pretty cool movement.

Mike

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³ Well, yes and no. There is a lot of E-waste going to waste not because the
³ hardware is broken, but because its a software issue and the users an unable to
³ see the difference. Pick it up, Fix it up , pass it on. That's my motto ÀÄ[K=>D]

I used to do that. The problem I ran into was that the people I was
passing them onto usually wanted to receive "latest and greatest" and were never happy with a second hand machine that could get them to their web and email but maybe wouldn't "keep up with" what some of their other friends
were doing at the time.

Most of them came back and eventually went to the e-cycling center. ;(

Mike

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MIKE POWELL wrote to KNIGHTWISE <=-

I used to do that. The problem I ran into was that the people I was passing them onto usually wanted to receive "latest and greatest" and
were never happy with a second hand machine that could get them to
their web and email but maybe wouldn't "keep up with" what some of
their other friends were doing at the time.

Were they receiving free or discounted computers? didn't have one
already? and were complaining? Sheesh!

The "latest and greatest" effect had allowed me to buy my wife and
daughter 1-2 generation old iPhones for cheap. :)

I'm still on Android - pick up a cheap Moto phone and put a 1TB SD card
in it, I've got all of my data backed up and in my pocket!



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Re: Re: Am I The Only One Dum
By: poindexter FORTRAN to MIKE POWELL on Wed Jan 22 2025 20:01:51

Hi, pF.

Were they receiving free or discounted computers? didn't have one
already? and were complaining? Sheesh!

It surprises me that this surprises you :)

People are tricky...

BobW
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³ MP> I used to do that. The problem I ran into was that the people I was
³ MP> passing them onto usually wanted to receive "latest and greatest" and
³ MP> were never happy with a second hand machine that could get them to
³ MP> their web and email but maybe wouldn't "keep up with" what some of
³ MP> their other friends were doing at the time.
³
³ Were they receiving free or discounted computers? didn't have one
³ already? and were complaining? Sheesh!
ÀÄ[PF=>MP]

Sometimes discounted, sometimes free. In at least one case, the person in question had a daughter who had a boyfriend. One or both of them became frustrated when it wasn't fast enough for them to watch porn on. I don't
think person I gave it to ever figured that out. I didn't know until I got it back. ;)

³ The "latest and greatest" effect had allowed me to buy my wife and
³ daughter 1-2 generation old iPhones for cheap. :)

I have one of the earliest SE models. I was using it as a Magicjack "home phone" and wifi device until the battery apparently went bad.

³ I'm still on Android - pick up a cheap Moto phone and put a 1TB SD card
³ in it, I've got all of my data backed up and in my pocket!
ÀÄ[PF=>MP]

My current phone is a moto. Had some difficulties with it for a while regarding android updates but, knock-on-wood, all of those have gone smooth
for quite a while now. I like it. I got it because a relative had one
they really liked.

Mike

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MIKE POWELL wrote to POINDEXTER FORTRAN <=-

My current phone is a moto. Had some difficulties with it for a while regarding android updates but, knock-on-wood, all of those have gone smooth for quite a while now. I like it. I got it because a relative
had one they really liked.

The lack of multiple software updates did put me off; while you could
buy 2 Motos and effectively get the same lifetime as one Samsung, you're contributing to wasteful usage. On some of their phones, they've
committed to a longer software life. I'm looking forward to replacing my
phone when the security updates run out with something with a little
longer effective life.



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³ > Were they receiving free or discounted computers? didn't have one
³ > already? and were complaining? Sheesh!
³
³ It surprises me that this surprises you :)
³
³ People are tricky...
ÀÄ[BW=>PF]

That they are. ;) The other reason I quit doing it was that people
stopped giving me second-hand machines, and the largest local employer
stopped selling them cheap.

In the case of the former, I suspect it is because they all switched to
tablets and cell phones for their internet needs, while the latter had to
do with some sensitive data leaks.

Mike

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Re: Re: Am I The Only One Dum
By: MIKE POWELL to BOB WORM on Fri Jan 24 2025 09:25:00

Hi, Mike.

That they are. ;) The other reason I quit doing it was that people
stopped giving me second-hand machines, and the largest local employer stopped selling them cheap.

Yes, it's funny how home users switched to mobile with a bit of tablet and we didn't really notice... but looking back now it has been a long time since anyone I know bought a desktop computer. I suppose it also doesn't help that a 10 year old laptop is still mostly adequate for a home user - in fact I had a card from a family friend this Christmas telling me that she had just retired the laptop I set up for her when my son was a newborn. He's now 18 :)

A lot of the law is unhelpful as well - one of my friends is having to scrap perfectly good service provider routers in his job because they have to be certified destroyed. I get it for disks but networking kit?

BobW
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|11pF|09> |10The lack of multiple software updates did put me off; while you could|07
|11pF|09> |10buy 2 Motos and effectively get the same lifetime as one Samsung, you're|07
|11pF|09> |10contributing to wasteful usage. On some of their phones, they've|07
|11pF|09> |10committed to a longer software life. I'm looking forward to replacing my|07
|11pF|09> |10phone when the security updates run out with something with a little|07
|11pF|09> |10longer effective life.|07
Devices should have at least five years of prime life and two years of sub prime life before it needs to be recycled.


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³ Yes, it's funny how home users switched to mobile with a bit of tablet and we ³ didn't really notice... but looking back now it has been a long time since
³ anyone I know bought a desktop computer. I suppose it also doesn't help that a
³ 10 year old laptop is still mostly adequate for a home user - in fact I had a ³ card from a family friend this Christmas telling me that she had just retired ³ the laptop I set up for her when my son was a newborn. He's now 18 :) ÀÄ[BW=>MP]

LOL, yeah don't know what it is about them as they do slow down but the
laptops seem to be kept longer. My first laptop (1990s) ate hard drives.
IMHO, the drives that were made for it were not really rated for a machine
that gets moved around a lot.

The one I have now I just realized while typing this will be 10 years old
this year. I also have an old Thinkpad that still works, and it could be
15-20 years old.

³ A lot of the law is unhelpful as well - one of my friends is having to scrap ³ perfectly good service provider routers in his job because they have to be
³ certified destroyed. I get it for disks but networking kit?
ÀÄ[BW=>MP]

Yeah, I wonder if it is because network routers often contain wireless password and other network information (like what ports the previous owner kept
open) that could help hackers gain entry to their networks.

Mike

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Re: Re: Am I The Only One Dum
By: Utopian Galt to Poindexter Fortran on Sat Jan 25 2025 10:10 am

Devices should have at least five years of prime life and two years of sub prime life before it needs to be recycled.

I like some of these new models that have gone back to replaceable batteries. Five years of software upgrades doesn't cut it if the battery is dead, and I'd rather have an easily-removeable battery.

Older Samsungs had a whole ecosystem of third-party batteries, including higher capacity batteries with replacement backs to fit them.
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Re: Re: Am I The Only One Dum
By: MIKE POWELL to BOB WORM on Sat Jan 25 2025 10:09:00

Hi, Mike.

Yeah, I wonder if it is because network routers often contain wireless password and other network information (like what ports the previous owner kept
open) that could help hackers gain entry to their networks.

When I say service provider routers, I should probably have said service provider *core* routers - nothing that would go near an end user. Though I suppose in theory a lot of them can perform packet captures these days... Just seems vanishingly unlikely there would be anything sensitive left on these after a factory reset.

I am pretty sure people are still buying that exact model of device, as well, for a few thousand a pop.

BobW
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Re: Re: Am I The Only One Dum
By: poindexter FORTRAN to Utopian Galt on Sat Jan 25 2025 10:29 pm

I like some of these new models that have gone back to replaceable batteries. Five years of software upgrades doesn't cut it if the battery is dead, and I'd rather have an easily-removeable battery.

Older Samsungs had a whole ecosystem of third-party batteries, including higher capacity batteries with replacement backs to fit them.

I didn't know anyone was making phones with replaceable batteries again. That's pretty cool.

Nightfox
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|11pF|09> |10batteries. Five years of software upgrades doesn't cut it if the battery|07
|11pF|09> |10is dead, and I'd rather have an easily-removeable battery.|07
I gave my old iphone 7 plus to a homeless aquaintance and the phone finally refused to charge after 8 years.


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Nightfox wrote to poindexter FORTRAN <=-

I didn't know anyone was making phones with replaceable batteries
again. That's pretty cool.

Pinephone, Fairphone - both are OS-friendly phones. I think the Nothing
phones allow for replaceable batteries. The rugged phones that don't
have to worry about being thin, also.




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Re: Re: Am I The Only One Dum
By: poindexter FORTRAN to Nightfox on Mon Jan 27 2025 08:12 am

I didn't know anyone was making phones with replaceable batteries again.
That's pretty cool.

Pinephone, Fairphone - both are OS-friendly phones. I think the Nothing phones allow for replaceable batteries. The rugged phones that don't have to worry about being thin, also.

That's cool.
Also, super-thinness wasn't something I ever really worried about. I was using Samsung Galaxy phones for a while, and I think the S3 or S4 was the last one with an easily replaceable battery, and I don't think it was too thick.

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³ When I say service provider routers, I should probably have said service
³ provider *core* routers - nothing that would go near an end user. Though I
³ suppose in theory a lot of them can perform packet captures these days... Just
³ seems vanishingly unlikely there would be anything sensitive left on these
³ after a factory reset.
ÀÄ[BW=>MP]

I see what you mean and agree. I was picturing the consumer level routers
when I read it originally.

Mike

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Nightfox wrote to poindexter FORTRAN <=-

That's cool.
Also, super-thinness wasn't something I ever really worried about. I
was using Samsung Galaxy phones for a while, and I think the S3 or S4
was the last one with an easily replaceable battery, and I don't think
it was too thick.

I still miss my S3 - thought that was the perfect size. I ran mine on
LineageOS until the maintainer broke his S3 and they stopped creating
images for it. :(



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³ Pinephone, Fairphone - both are OS-friendly phones. I think the Nothing
³ phones allow for replaceable batteries. The rugged phones that don't
³ have to worry about being thin, also.
ÀÄ[PF=>N]

Pinephone was one I was interested in during the past, but they were a
little expensive then and I was not sure if they'd work with my carrier.
May need to look again the next time I am in the market for a phone.

Mike

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