• Re: Chris de Burgh

    From Alonzo@21:1/130 to poindexter FORTRAN on Tue Jul 11 20:18:56 2023
    I saw Roxy Music during their 50th anniversary tour. Bryan Ferry's lost some of the high range he had (it was his 75th birthday!) so some of the newer songs were in a lower key. They sounded OK, just not what we'd remembered from countless plays. Oddly enough, Roxy Music's older works were in a lower key, and he nailed them perfectly.

    I think it's funny how people go to see a musical artist 50 years after their peak and expect them to sound just the way they did 50 years ago. Music evolves over time, musicians come and go, and if we are lucky they have remained active and have a ton of NEW material they would love for people to hear and support. Instead, we expect them to be human juke boxes, cranking out "the hits" and sounding exactly like they did on a decades-old recording. It's not really fair, from a musician's point of view but hey... I'm an old musician so I'm a bit biased. :)

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  • From poindexter FORTRAN@21:4/122 to Alonzo on Wed Jul 12 07:23:00 2023
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    Instead, we expect them to be
    human juke boxes, cranking out "the hits" and sounding exactly like
    they did on a decades-old recording. It's not really fair, from a musician's point of view but hey... I'm an old musician so I'm a bit biased. :)

    The only band I expect to hear the same in concert as on tape was Rush.
    Something about the way they performed made them sound the closest to
    recording of any band I listened to.

    Although, I grew up with them, and I preferred the live version of "Red
    Barchetta" from the version on "Moving Pictures". And, MP was an album
    I listened to as a kid with my first stereo and turntable, in the dark,
    with those big old KOSS headphones.



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  • From esc@21:4/173 to poindexter FORTRAN on Thu Jul 13 01:08:46 2023
    The only band I expect to hear the same in concert as on tape was Rush.
    Something about the way they performed made them sound the closest to
    recording of any band I listened to.

    Interestingly, if I see a band and they play exactly what was in their recordings, I get a bit disappointed. I prefer some degree of chaos and improvisation. I can appreciate the attention to detail and the precision required to recreate the album experience, but it's not my preferred idea of live music. To each their own, though!

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  • From Alonzo@21:1/130 to poindexter FORTRAN on Thu Jul 13 08:46:08 2023
    The only band I expect to hear the same in concert as on tape was Rush.
    Something about the way they performed made them sound the closest to
    recording of any band I listened to.

    I went to an Alice Cooper concert about 5 years ago and it was an amazing show. If anything, I thought it was even BETTER than when I saw them play back in the old days. Cooper's voice was still as strong as ever.

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  • From SirRonmit@21:2/120 to poindexter FORTRAN on Thu Jul 13 08:54:06 2023
    The only band I expect to hear the same in concert as on tape was Rush.
    Something about the way they performed made them sound the closest to
    recording of any band I listened to.

    Until Geddy got older and still tried to hit those hi notes - I was like, drop 1 octave and we wouldn't care.

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  • From Ogg@21:4/106.21 to Alonzo on Thu Jul 13 19:18:00 2023
    Hello Alonzo!

    ** On Thursday 13.07.23 - 08:46, Alonzo wrote to poindexter FORTRAN:

    The only band I expect to hear the same in concert as on tape was Rush.
    Something about the way they performed made them sound the closest to
    recording of any band I listened to.

    I went to an Alice Cooper concert about 5 years ago and it was an amazing show. If anything, I thought it was even BETTER than when I saw them play back in the old days. Cooper's voice was still as strong as ever.

    Sting, Jethro Tull, Cat Stevens, and several others still
    retain some of their distinctive sound.


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  • From poindexter FORTRAN@21:4/122 to esc on Thu Jul 13 07:28:00 2023
    esc wrote to poindexter FORTRAN <=-

    Interestingly, if I see a band and they play exactly what was in their recordings, I get a bit disappointed. I prefer some degree of chaos and improvisation. I can appreciate the attention to detail and the
    precision required to recreate the album experience, but it's not my preferred idea of live music. To each their own, though!

    I never got to go see Rush, but would have listened to them reproduce
    their repetoire note for note to hear a Neil Peart solo...

    I've seen Stan Ridgway a couple of times - he was the lead singer of
    "Wall of Voodoo" in the 1980s, with a performance at the Us festival and
    a one-hit wonder with "Mexican Radio".

    Over the years, he's turned into a songwriter/storyteller, writing songs
    of guys who seem to always run into bad luck in a retro noir Americana
    full of rich people's swimmin' pools, Bosses who make too much money, go-nowhere jobs, seedy bars, coffee shops and brothers-in-law who are always getting in
    trouble and losing jobs. Interesting stuff.

    At one of his shows, he talked a bit about Wall of Voodoo and what it
    was like to be a naive young kid with a hit record in Los Angeles. He
    mentioned that they've heard covers of Mexican Radio in most every
    genre, and asked the audience to shout out a genre.

    They heard "Reggae!" and he and his band performed a reggae version of
    the song. Started off a little rough, but they got into a groove
    quickly.








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  • From Nightfox@21:1/137 to esc on Wed Jul 26 07:47:56 2023
    Re: Re: Chris de Burgh
    By: esc to poindexter FORTRAN on Thu Jul 13 2023 01:08 am

    The only band I expect to hear the same in concert as on tape was Rush.
    Something about the way they performed made them sound the closest to
    recording of any band I listened to.

    Interestingly, if I see a band and they play exactly what was in their recordings, I get a bit disappointed. I prefer some degree of chaos and improvisation. I can appreciate the attention to detail and the precision required to recreate the album experience, but it's not my preferred idea of live music. To each their own, though!

    I don't mind a bit of improvisation at live concerts (and in some cases, it can actually make for some fairly cool versions of songs), but I wouldn't want them to stray too far. Mark Knopfler (of Dire Straits) said something about that in one of his live performances - He commented something like when recording the intro to Brothers In Arms, the initial few notes didn't come out quite as intended, but he tries to play it like that in live concerts because the music people listen to tends to become a sort of soundtrack for our life, with memories we associate with it, etc.. I'm paraphrasing, but his idea was that he didn't want to stray far from the songs people know and love and come to see him perform.

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  • From Nightfox@21:1/137 to poindexter FORTRAN on Wed Jul 26 07:53:18 2023
    Re: Re: Chris de Burgh
    By: poindexter FORTRAN to Alonzo on Wed Jul 12 2023 07:23 am

    The only band I expect to hear the same in concert as on tape was Rush. Something about the way they performed made them sound the closest to recording of any band I listened to.

    I've been to a few Rush concerts, and I thought they sounded fairly close to their studio recordings, and I liked that.

    There are a couple songs where I tend to prefer the concert version over the studio recording. One of them is "Sgt. Pepper's Lonely Heart's Club Band" from Paul McCartney's 1990 'Tripping the Live Fantastic' concert tour. They did an extended version of it with a long jam in the middle, and I think it just sounds good overall too. Another is The Talking Heads' "Take Me To The River" from their 1984 "Stop Making Sense" tour - They made that one faster and more upbeat in that tour compared to their studio recording.

    Another band I like (some of their work, anyway) is Kraftwerk. I haven't been to any of their concerts, but from what I can tell, their live concerts tend to sound pretty much the same as their live recordings (except for some tweaks here and there). It seems that part of their act is that when they play live, they're basically playing audio samples & such from their laptops in much the same way they'd do their studio recordings.

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  • From Nightfox@21:1/137 to SirRonmit on Wed Jul 26 07:57:42 2023
    Re: Re: Rush
    By: SirRonmit to poindexter FORTRAN on Thu Jul 13 2023 08:54 am

    Until Geddy got older and still tried to hit those hi notes - I was like, drop 1 octave and we wouldn't care.

    I like that Rush stayed together for as long as they did. Even after the rough patch Neil Peart had around 1996-1997 when both his wife and his daughter died and he took some time off, he still got back together with Geddy and Alex and they kept doing Rush. Back when I heard about that stuff happening, I wondered if Rush was going to permanently break up.

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  • From SirRonmit@21:2/120 to Nightfox on Wed Jul 26 14:25:51 2023
    I like that Rush stayed together for as long as they did. Even after the rough patch Neil Peart had around 1996-1997 when both his wife and his daughter died and he took some time off, he still got back together with Geddy and Alex and they kept doing Rush. Back when I heard about that stuff happening, I wondered if Rush was going to permanently break up.

    Agreed. I watched a few different doc's about them over all that as well.

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  • From esc@21:4/173 to Nightfox on Wed Jul 26 19:26:42 2023
    I don't mind a bit of improvisation at live concerts (and in some cases, it can actually make for some fairly cool versions of songs), but I wouldn't want them to stray too far. Mark Knopfler (of Dire Straits)
    said something about that in one of his live performances - He commented something like when recording the intro to Brothers In Arms, the initial few notes didn't come out quite as intended, but he tries to play it
    like that in live concerts because the music people listen to tends to become a sort of soundtrack for our life, with memories we associate
    with it, etc.. I'm paraphrasing, but his idea was that he didn't want to stray far from the songs people know and love and come to see him
    perform.

    I can appreciate that, for sure. For me, though, I prefer a higher degree of going into unknown territory - it makes every show a unique experience. I'm a huge Jimi Hendrix fan and he never played his songs more than once the same way. In a totally different genre, I've always been into Dave Matthews Band and similarly, they go off in different directions on each performance, which I find to be a ton of fun.

    But I also know people into that kind of music have an expectation that this is what will take place. As this is my preference, I recall going to see Kings of Leon in Colorado in an open-air venue on a night that was super cold and rainy. They were covered but the audience was getting soaked. The band just played their songs exactly like the records, and everyone in the crowd was cranky already, and I left feeling really pissed, like I could have just listened to the record at home, comfortably, lol.

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  • From Bf2K+@21:3/171 to Nightfox on Wed Jul 26 22:39:40 2023
    Myself... I prefer to hear a band play their music totally different from
    the album... anything from extended jamming to a complete re-imagination
    of the song. If I want to hear the album, I'll play the album.

    Just my $.02

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  • From Nightfox@21:1/137 to Bf2K+ on Thu Jul 27 08:01:32 2023
    Re: Re: Chris de Burgh
    By: Bf2K+ to Nightfox on Wed Jul 26 2023 11:39 pm

    Myself... I prefer to hear a band play their music totally different from the album... anything from extended jamming to a complete re-imagination of the song. If I want to hear the album, I'll play the album.

    I tend to think it's fun to see the band live and see them play the songs we all know and love. I feel like I'm not going to see them to listen to unfamiliar material, as I'm not sure I'd like that or not.

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  • From Nigel Reed@21:2/101 to All on Tue Aug 1 17:47:26 2023
    On Wed, 26 Jul 2023 08:47:56 -0700
    "Nightfox" (21:1/137) <Nightfox@f137.n1.z21.fidonet> wrote:

    Re: Re: Chris de Burgh
    By: esc to poindexter FORTRAN on Thu Jul 13 2023 01:08 am

    The only band I expect to hear the same in concert as on tape
    was Rush. Something about the way they performed made them
    sound the closest to recording of any band I listened to.

    Interestingly, if I see a band and they play exactly what was in
    their recordings, I get a bit disappointed. I prefer some degree
    of chaos and improvisation. I can appreciate the attention to
    detail and the precision required to recreate the album
    experience, but it's not my preferred idea of live music. To
    each their own, though!

    I don't mind a bit of improvisation at live concerts (and in some
    cases, it can actually make for some fairly cool versions of songs),
    but I wouldn't want them to stray too far. Mark Knopfler (of Dire
    Straits) said something about that in one of his live performances -
    He commented something like when recording the intro to Brothers In
    Arms, the initial few notes didn't come out quite as intended, but he
    tries to play it like that in live concerts because the music people
    listen to tends to become a sort of soundtrack for our life, with
    memories we associate with it, etc.. I'm paraphrasing, but his idea
    was that he didn't want to stray far from the songs people know and
    love and come to see him perform.

    That said, he's never played Sultans of Swing the same way twice, ever,
    but it's still an amazing tune whether it's a 4 minute version or a 14
    minute version. A lot of the solos on the early records consisted of
    improvised playing.
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