On 05 Mar 2022 at 11:18a, Nightfox pondered and said...

I wonder if an echo that had a geo-political or just political focus would be a starter? If it was set up it could be a place for discussi about global politics and peoples thoughts, fears, hopes etc. the com with it.

From my experience with another message network, people may still end up getting into political discussions in the 'general' echo and will argue that a 'general' echo is for any topics, so that kind of thing should still be allowed in 'general'..

Yeah unless it's stated explicitly that the general echo covers all topics that could not be otherwise accommodated by a more specific available echomail area... then I think it's a safer bet the argument for general covering all things always is less sound..

I have not looked at this topic since late Feb, and need to read all the posts in FSX_NET yet... I'll need a coffee before I start reviewing that echo :)

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Golly what a business eh, this politics stuff :)

I recall I asked we didn't cover that and religion because at the time it seemed some echomail areas were getting taken over by heated arguments between folks, often about USA politics and who was left and who was right and which leader was good or not etc. etc.

For me I'm not against political discussion per say but I am against any hurtful or unkind or extreme discord that can unfortunately arise when something in that political or religious space comes up and people feel they must defend their point of view tooth and nail but do so in a way that descends into acrimony.

So I'm not against political chatter per say but against the poor behaviour that seems to accompany it when some go off the deep end trying to convey their point of view.

I wonder if an echo that had a geo-political or just political focus to it would be a starter? If it was set up it could be a place for discussions about global politics and peoples thoughts, fears, hopes etc. the come with it.

I enjoy news and I do follow local and national political events here in New Zealand. I am also following closely what is happing in Europe (with dismay and sadness) and keeping an eye on the South Pacific region (closer to my country) with interest too.

So for me to chat about any of that stuff I'd likely need to adjust things in fsx to create such an echo for that kind of chatter and focus.

But it occurs to me that where the bulk of any such chatter has landed in the past (as I mentioned earlier) was in the USA political space. And I guess that's also understandable as many nodes in fsx are USA based and it's been a busy/changable time in USA politics for some years now with several high profile people generating engagement in folks for and against their espoused views.

Another thought would be to also create a USA specific politics echo but the it seems a bit unfair to the rest of the globe :) And I do worry it could turn sour in content posted if people forgot about the values of the network and started chucking metaphorical barbs at each other :( Never good nor fun, nor kind.

These are some of my thoughts :) Not in any order nor intent to act in any time soon (given my travels)

But if we could find a way to continue to agree to conduct ourselves in a way that is civil if such an echo(s) were created I'd be open to looking at it / giving it a try.

I will x-post this to FSX_NET ... can you please reply to that echo as this is essentially a network admin etc. topic so let's plonk that chatter there.

Best, Paul

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Re: Politics
By: Avon to All on Sat Mar 05 2022 02:55 pm

So I'm not against political chatter per say but against the poor behaviour that seems to accompany it when some go off the deep end trying to convey their point of view.

I wonder if an echo that had a geo-political or just political focus to it would be a starter? If it was set up it could be a place for discussions about global politics and peoples thoughts, fears, hopes etc. the come with it.

From my experience with another message network, people may still end up getting into political discussions in the 'general' echo and will argue that a 'general' echo is for any topics, so that kind of thing should still be allowed in 'general'..

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From my experience with another message network, people may still end up getting into political discussions in the 'general' echo and will argue that a 'general' echo is for any topics, so that kind of thing should still be allowed in 'general'..

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Re: Politics
By: Andre to Nightfox on Sat Mar 05 2022 04:22 pm

From my experience with another message network, people may still
end up getting into political discussions in the 'general' echo and
will argue that a 'general' echo is for any topics, so that kind of
thing should still be allowed in 'general'..

You quoted my message but didn't add a reply..

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Can we have a FSX_Politics base? This is getting annyoing to see everyone bitching - complaining about it. I personally do not care about politics at all. If I wanted to see this shit I can get on FB or other social media platforms or watch the news. It's getting old.

-Scuz


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On 27 Jan 2025, Scuz said the following...

Can we have a FSX_Politics base? This is getting annyoing to see
everyone bitching - complaining about it.

If I wanted to see this shit I can get on FB or other social media platforms or watch the news. It's getting old.

I prefer the current rule of "no politics or religion on fsxNet". Like Scuz said, there are other places to go if you want (talk|argue|spew) those topics.

If FSX_Politics did exist, I certainly wouldn't look at it.


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If FSX_Politics did exist, I certainly wouldn't look at it.

Neither would I, honestly wouldn't sub to that base.

-Scuz


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Can we have a FSX_Politics base? This is getting annyoing to see everyone bitching - complaining about it. I personally do not care about politics at all. If I wanted to see this shit I can get on FB or other social media platforms or watch the news. It's getting old.

I posted one of my responses over on Dovenet Debate as I know at least a
couple of the thread's participants also post there.

FIDO Politics, and several other FIDO political echoes, are also available to those who would like to discuss politics.

That all said, I have found there are participants here who seem ok with discussing politics until someone questions their stance, then they cry
"but politics!" like they are not the ones who made the discussion
political to being with. Keep your eyes peeled and you might notice that
as well.


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That all said, I have found there are participants here who seem ok with discussing politics until someone questions their stance, then they cry "but politics!" like they are not the ones who made the discussion political to being with. Keep your eyes peeled and you might notice that as well.

Understandable, but it is tiresome. It's everywhere. Radio, TV, Social Media. It just gets old hearing about it 24/7. I respect everyones opionion when it comes to politics no matter which side they are on and that's what is great about the US, we can have open opinions.
That'll be my last post about it :)
-Scuz

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On 27 Jan 2025 at 07:48a, Scuz pondered and said...

Can we have a FSX_Politics base? This is getting annyoing to see
everyone bitching - complaining about it. I personally do not care about politics at all. If I wanted to see this shit I can get on FB or other social media platforms or watch the news. It's getting old.

Hi there

You'll see I have posted a request (I seem to have to do this from time to time) requesting folks take that subject to an othernet.

I have toyed with the idea of a fsxNet politics echo in the past but discarded the idea. I figure if the network is meant to be 'fun' where's the fun in an echo where the discussion unravels into people throwing verbal rocks at each other ;)

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On 27 Jan 2025 at 08:08a, Warpslide pondered and said...

I prefer the current rule of "no politics or religion on fsxNet". Like Scuz said, there are other places to go if you want (talk|argue|spew) those topics.

agree

If FSX_Politics did exist, I certainly wouldn't look at it.

it won't

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On 27 Jan 2025 at 09:56a, Dumas Walker pondered and said...

I posted one of my responses over on Dovenet Debate as I know at least a couple of the thread's participants also post there.

FIDO Politics, and several other FIDO political echoes, are also
available to those who would like to discuss politics.

thank you

That all said, I have found there are participants here who seem ok with discussing politics until someone questions their stance, then they cry "but politics!" like they are not the ones who made the discussion political to being with. Keep your eyes peeled and you might notice that as well.

I agree things can be viewed by everyone differently / subjectively but if the subject matter is into which leader of a country did or didn't do xyz, what one country may/may not do to another etc. etc. I think it's fairly clear to all it's a political thread emerging.

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You'll see I have posted a request (I seem to have to do this from time
to time) requesting folks take that subject to an othernet.

Thanks Avon!

-Scuz

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Agreed, which is why it is funny when the person who starts the discussion suddenly starts crying foul. If you don't want to discuss it, don't bring
it up. ;)


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Re: Re: Politics
By: Warpslide to All on Mon Jan 27 2025 08:08 am

If FSX_Politics did exist, I certainly wouldn't look at it.

That's why I created the DOVE-Net Debate and Religion conferences so many years ago: to have a place to send discussions I didn't want to see or take part in. :-)
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Dumas Walker wrote to AVON <=-

Agreed, which is why it is funny when the person who starts the
discussion suddenly starts crying foul. If you don't want to discuss
it, don't bring it up. ;)

I've been guilty of that in the past, most recently I got sucked into a
debate that took a political turn on this politics-free network.

Fido's POLITICS echo is fine for me. I'll continue the discussions
there.



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