Looks like this topic is slowing down slowly. :-(
The Millionaire wrote to All <=-
Looks like this topic is slowing down slowly. :-(
Looks like this topic is slowing down slowly. :-(
Looks like this topic is slowing down slowly. :-(
It's worse than that, it's dead Jim.
Looks like this topic is slowing down slowly. :-(
It's worse than that, it's dead Jim.
Damn it, Jim, I'm a nerd, not a doctor! (^_^)
possible to ignore, its still irritating.. How about winding it back a tad
Exodus wrote to Stormtrooper <=-
You're getting horribly prolific with these 1 line questions... while its possible to ignore, its still irritating.. How about winding it back a tad
Oh ... better not say anything. Someone's gonna yell like they
did to me when I told him to bite off. ;)
It seems TM has his own set of cheerleaders.
StormTrooper wrote to The Millionaire <=-
You're getting horribly prolific with these 1 line questions... while
its possible to ignore, its still irritating.. How about winding it
back a tad
The Millionaire wrote to All <=-
Are they real or not? What causes them as well?
StormTrooper wrote to The Millionaire <=-
You're getting horribly prolific with these 1 line questions... while
its possible to ignore, its still irritating.. How about winding it
back a tad
boraxman wrote to The Millionaire <=-
By the way, I find my dreams more vivid, or more memorable the night or two after having had a poor nights sleep.
And as they did to me, when I suggested renaming the echo.
It seems TM has his own set of cheerleaders.
You're mistaking peoples' intentions. What you all see as TM
cheerleaders is actually people not liking the negativity and
complaining.
I think he is somewhat restricted in his movements, gets bored, and is trying to seed some responses to read. I thought his constant posting
was annoying at first but am more understanding now that I think I know where it comes from.
It would be nice if he grouped some related questions together, though.
I actually think that might make people more likely to respond, and would probably lead to more discussion for him to read.
I have no issue either, I'd just ask that instead of multiple topic starters posted in a single day we try to stretch some out over
different days. Doing so gives each topic / thread a chance to get
started (or not).
Exodus wrote to Gamgee <=-
And as they did to me, when I suggested renaming the echo.
It seems TM has his own set of cheerleaders.
Come over to MetroNet. Been around since 1994.
Andre wrote to Gamgee <=-
It seems TM has his own set of cheerleaders.
You're mistaking peoples' intentions. What you all see as TM
cheerleaders is actually people not liking the negativity and
complaining.
It's a lot easier to breathe down here on the ground. Come down off of
that high horse you're on, and you'll see what I mean.
Do you think those questions that we're talking about here actually add
any useful content?
Yes, they generate inane
replies and folks think that's GREAT, because it increases "involvement"
and "expands the network", and all that.
It really doesn't, and you know it. Forget the political correctness,
and call it what it is.
Do you think those questions that we're talking about here actually add any useful content?
Yes, they generate inane replies and folks think that's GREAT, because
it increases "involvement" and "expands the network", and all that.
This post is not meant to be negative or complaining, just asking serious questions about something that confuses me (i.e. why people find that stuff "OK").
Guess it's time for me to leave then since I'm being an annoyance to some people here. :-(
Guess it's time for me to leave then since I'm being an annoyance toTake a small break, but you are welcome here.
some
people here. :-(
Guess it's time for me to leave then since I'm being an annoyance to some people here. :-(
I think I'll do that. Been wanting to replace the defunct Sci-Net with something else, and that was on my list of possibles. Busy schedule for the next couple of weeks, but it's on my written list of things to do. Thanks for the reminder.
It's a lot easier to breathe down here on the ground. Come down off of that high horse you're on, and you'll see what I mean.
color?" What's your favorite pizza? Have you ever been dizzy? Do you^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
It really doesn't, and you know it. Forget the political correctness,
and call it what it is. This post is not meant to be negative or complaining, just asking serious questions about something that confuses
me (i.e. why people find that stuff "OK").
On 27 Mar 2022, The Millionaire said the following...
I hope you stick around. You have more friends here than you do people who are annoyed by you.
They're nothing more than schoolyard bullies, just ignore them and they'll move on to someone else.
Jay
... When your work speaks for itself, don`t interrupt.
--- Mystic BBS v1.12 A48 2022/03/26 (Raspberry Pi/32)
* Origin: Northern Realms (21:3/110)
What high horse? People are sick of the complaining from a few of you, and I too. There is nothing stopping you from twitlisting TM.
Yes I do. Are they thought provoking? No, not usually. Does every conversati have to be?
His short questions generate a huge amount of conversation and community. No they’re not figuring out how to solve world hunger. But people are enjoyin themselves, and it’s simply not your place to shut that down.
You're getting horribly prolific with these 1 line questions... while possible to ignore, its still irritating.. How about winding it back a
Oh ... better not say anything. Someone's gonna yell like they
did to me when I told him to bite off. ;)
And as they did to me, when I suggested renaming the echo.
It seems TM has his own set of cheerleaders.
It seems TM has his own set of cheerleaders.
You're mistaking peoples' intentions. What you all see as TM
cheerleaders is actually people not liking the negativity and
complaining.
What high horse? People are sick of the complaining from a few of you,
and I am too. There is nothing stopping you from twitlisting TM.
[...]
Or do whatever you want. But don't be surprised when the community
tells you to shut it. There are more people engaging with him than the
few of you that wish he wasn't here.
Guess it's time for me to leave then since I'm being an annoyance to people here. :-(
You have more supporters than detractors. Seems to me that you should stay, but if it's affecting you negatively then you need to do what's right for you.
On the other hand, you leaving would turn a few people into pariahs. I'd be kind of fun to watch them reap what they sow.
Oh ... better not say anything. Someone's gonna yell like they did to
me when I told him to bite off. ;)
It would be nice if he grouped some related questions together, though.
I actually think that might make people more likely to respond, and would probably lead to more discussion for him to read.
I've been watching Letterkenny, anyone else?
I saw the latest one-liner and heard Wayne's voice in my head saying
"You could take that down about 20, 25 per cent..."
I think he is somewhat restricted in his movements, gets bored, and is trying to seed some responses to read. I thought his constant posting was annoying at first but am more understanding now that I think I know where it comes from.
When I took Cipro, I had the most vivid dreams - they even include vivid dreams in the "possible side effects" section of the insert.
You're mistaking peoples' intentions. What you all see as TM cheerleaders is actually people not liking the negativity and complaining.
+1
Personally I don't mind TM's questions, though I'll admit it can be a little much when he posts several questions in a row.
Guess it's time for me to leave then since I'm being an annoyance to some people here. :-(
Blue White wrote to The Millionaire <=-
The Millionaire wrote to All <=-
Are they real or not? What causes them as well?
They are real in the sense that you dreamed them. When I was younger,
in my teens and early 20's, it seems like I remembered them a lot more than I do now. Sometimes now, it is only bits and pieces.
Some of them I do remember seem to be related to something I saw on the news, like the recent New Orleans tornado, or related to something
going on at work or in real life. Some of them are completely unrealistic, while in others I would almost swear my body is actually feeling the sensations from the dream.
I have had a few in my lifetime where, when I wake up, I realize I wish
I could remember them because they seemed to solve a problem. Others I seem to wake up just as I am about to solve a problem. Sometimes I am very aware that it is a dream and sometimes not.
Many of my dreams are about food, include tornados, or are that I am
back in school and I have either forgot to do my homework or something else that I need that day. Sometimes it is that I have forgotten to go
to class for weeks/months.
I used to have dreams where I go to work and work a whole day, only to wake up and realize I have not and that I have to go in. I used to
call those nightmares. :) Those seemed to stop when COVID hit and we
got put on work-from-home 4 days a week.
If you are really interested, you might want to check out the
Braincraft youtube channel. The young lady that runs it has done a few episodes about dreaming, sleep in general, and also anxiety (which is another topic you have brought up recently). Her presentations are
very informative.
Gamgee wrote to Andre <=-
Andre wrote to Gamgee <=-
It seems TM has his own set of cheerleaders.
You're mistaking peoples' intentions. What you all see as TM
cheerleaders is actually people not liking the negativity and
complaining.
It's a lot easier to breathe down here on the ground. Come down off of that high horse you're on, and you'll see what I mean.
Let me ask you a serious question:
Do you think those questions that we're talking about here actually add any useful content? I mean, they're basically 5th-graders-on-the-playground type things. "What's your favorite
color?" What's your favorite pizza? Have you ever been dizzy? Do you ever have dreams or nightmares? Seriously? Yes, they generate inane replies and folks think that's GREAT, because it increases
"involvement" and "expands the network", and all that.
It really doesn't, and you know it. Forget the political correctness,
and call it what it is. This post is not meant to be negative or complaining, just asking serious questions about something that
confuses me (i.e. why people find that stuff "OK").
The Millionaire wrote to Warpslide <=-
On 27 Mar 2022, The Millionaire said the following...
I hope you stick around. You have more friends here than you do people who are annoyed by you.
They're nothing more than schoolyard bullies, just ignore them and they'll move on to someone else.
Jay
... When your work speaks for itself, don`t interrupt.
--- Mystic BBS v1.12 A48 2022/03/26 (Raspberry Pi/32)
* Origin: Northern Realms (21:3/110)
Ok I will then. You're absolutely right there in your comments. :-)
Do people dream in black and white, a partial or full colour spectrum?
I'm not being facetious, this is a genuine question, but what should people start
posts about? I do agree the frequency of these questions is higher than desirable,
but every now and then they are good as topics for conversations.
The net result is that TM is contributing to this community. If you and the few others don’t like him or the conversations he starts, then block him or drop the echo.
Twitlisting is intended for filtering out harmful people rather than just people who is not contributing much. If I was an Operator I would not twitlist TM... but I would certainly wonder what is the point of his contributions.
I certainly believe his contributions affect the signal/noise ratio for the worse rather than for the better.
Re: Re: Nightmares / Dreams
By: Arelor to Andre on Sun Mar 27 2022 04:07 pm
Twitlisting is intended for filtering out harmful people rather than just peop
who is not contributing much. If I was an Operator I would not twitlist TM...
I would certainly wonder what is the point of his contributions.
I certainly believe his contributions affect the signal/noise ratio for the wo
rather than for the better.
I think that's due to some peoples' ractions to his questions, which is not TM's
fault. Everyone has different things they might watn to talk about, and I don't
really think it's worth getting annoyed by what some people want to talk about. Wh
people start to make someone feel bad to the point of wanting to leave, when they
didn't do antying harmful, it starts to feel like (as another said) schoolyard
bullying. We're all adults, and I don't really like the negativity of people
resorting to middle school bullying type behavior.
Nightfox
A current concern of mine is that one of my mares always puts her head into bushes and ends up getting a lot of twigs entangled in her mane.
I don't think removing bushes and other plants is a good option because she loves them - and it is also a bit impractical anyway. I have been thinking in braiding her mane. She would look very posh as a result
The net result is that TM is contributing to this community. If you and the few others don’t like him or the conversations he starts,
then block him or drop the echo.
A current concern of mine is that one of my mares always puts her head into
bushes and ends up getting a lot of twigs entangled in her mane.
I don't think removing bushes and other plants is a good option because she lo
them - and it is also a bit impractical anyway. I have been thinking in braidi
her mane. She would look very posh as a result
I assume she's eating the bushes.. have you considered planting some other shrubber
so that there's an alternative to the bushes to nibble on? Other
than grass that is. Alternatively try giving her a waxing :P
Spec
*** THE READER V4.50 [freeware]
Oh, she eats EVERYTHING. There is usually plenty of plants for her to eat, but sometimes she will stick her head into the bush to grab some
plant that is behind it.
horse education, and horse gear.
Oh, she eats EVERYTHING. There is usually plenty of plants for her to eat, but sometimes she will
stick her head into the bush to grab some
plant that is behind it.
I used to keep poultry at one stage, when there was a backyard... the could demolish anything you put
the chook run. What I ended up doing, was
having a few sets of pots, once they grew enough you'd put them in until they were pretty much gone, and then rotate the next set in. It was also worth trying different plants from time to time :) Sometimes a new plant would last weeks without being molested and then overnight they'd demolish it. Mebbe something similar might work for your wee beasties.
Spec
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horse education, and horse gear.
Yeah my horse has a degree in psychology :P
ST
album any Barón Rojo title you may name is :-)
That is prety much what you do with horses. You set a number of small grazing areas and rotate the horses so they always have an area with
album any Barón Rojo title you may name is :-)
Who dat? I can't read the UTF8 4th character in... looks european or swed maybe?
ST
That is prety much what you do with horses. You set a number of smal grazing areas and rotate the horses so they always have an area with
I'm kind of suggesting pots with other different plants to the regular grazing... bang something quick growing like marigolds or whatever else i suitable for them to eat... by giving them something different it might h cut down the head in the tree type behaviours..
Spec
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boraxman wrote to Blue White <=-
Do people dream in black and white, a partial or full colour spectrum?
album any Barón Rojo title you may name is :-)
It is a Spanish Heavy Metal band.
Spectre wrote to boraxman <=-
Do people dream in black and white, a partial or full colour spectrum?
I suspect mine are for the most part monochromatic. Reduced colours
would seem to make sense, after all its not your eyes doing the
dreaming, and you're brain is inserting what it feels is important.
The oddest ones I've had, are where I dream that I'm dreaming... and
I've managed that down 2 levels before. This doesn't happen very often though, I think I could count those instances on one hand.
Arelor wrote to boraxman <=-s
Re: Re: Nightmares / Dreams
By: boraxman to Gamgee on Mon Mar 28 2022 10:40 pm
I'm not being facetious, this is a genuine question, but what should people
tartdesi
posts about? I do agree the frequency of these questions is higher than
rable,
but every now and then they are good as topics for conversations.
I say horses. People should start conversations about concerns they
have about horses, horse education, and horse gear.
A current concern of mine is that one of my mares always puts her head into bushes and ends up getting a lot of twigs entangled in her mane.
Her mane eventually gets messed up with knots. Every now and then I
have to trim her mane off to limit the reach of this mess but it
saddens me because she has a beautiful mane otherwise.
I don't think removing bushes and other plants is a good option because she loves them - and it is also a bit impractical anyway. I have been thinking in braiding her mane. She would look very posh as a result but maybe it wwould be more comfortable for her.
Decisions, decisions...
Blue White wrote to boraxman <=-
boraxman wrote to Blue White <=-
Do people dream in black and white, a partial or full colour spectrum?
Funny, I am not sure if I have ever seen Red in a dream, either. I
don't usually remember colors, but I usually dream in color. I do also dream in black and white sometimes. I often remember more about those.
Those dreams are usually like Casablanca or the other films of that
era that I enjoy, and they are almost always set in the past. If I am
a Private Detective in a dream, it is usually in black and white, and
the dames are smokin' hot! :)
album any Barón Rojo title you may name is :-)
It is a Spanish Heavy Metal band.
So sans the acute or whatever is on the character whats the anglicised version?
ST
Do people dream in black and white, a partial or full colour spectrum?
boraxman wrote to Blue White <=-
Do people dream in black and white, a partial or full colour spectrum?
Funny, I am not sure if I have ever seen Red in a dream, either. I
don't usually remember colors, but I usually dream in color. I do also dream in black and white sometimes. I often remember more about those.
Those dreams are usually like Casablanca or the other films of that
era that I enjoy, and they are almost always set in the past. If I am
a Private Detective in a dream, it is usually in black and white, and
the dames are smokin' hot! :)
Ahh, those dreams where you meet the perfect woman, beautiful,
pleasant, quiet demeanor, that instant chemistry. They are the worst
to wake up from. I've had some days where I was bummed out much of the day, missing and pining for this person.
I don't think I've had a black and white dream, that would be odd, but
I think it wasn't until I was in my 30s when I realised that my dream "colour pallete" was skewed towards the green/blue end of the spectrum.
Sans the acute it would be Baron Rojo.
I think there is no anglicised version of the name.
I've seen people talk about dreaming in black and white, but I don't remember ever having a dream in black and white.. I've always seen
color in my dreams, just like in real life. Though I guess I haven't really paid attention to what colors I've seen in my dreams, but my "vision" in my dreams has always been color, just like in real life.
Ahh, those dreams where you meet the perfect woman, beautiful, pleasant, quiet demeanor, that instant chemistry. They are the worst to wake up from. I've had some days where I was bummed out much of t day, missing and pining for this person.
The women in my black and white dreams are not perfect... they are
usually beautiful, but more like the women you would expect to see in a film noir. So not quiet or necessarily pleasant but, yeah, waking from those still bums me out.
I don't think I've had a black and white dream, that would be odd, bu I think it wasn't until I was in my 30s when I realised that my dream "colour pallete" was skewed towards the green/blue end of the spectru
I don't have them often, but do enjoy remembering them.
boraxman wrote to Blue White <=-
I don't think I've had a black and white dream, that would be odd, but
I think it wasn't until I was in my 30s when I realised that my dream "colour pallete" was skewed towards the green/blue end of the spectrum.
The Millionaire wrote to Gamgee <=-
Do you have ECWEB4 on your bbs?
No, I do not. Telnet only.
... Enter any 12 digit prime number to continue.
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Do you have ECWEB4 on your bbs?
No, I do not. Telnet only.
No, I do not. Telnet only.
I have noticed that many of the BBSes are telnet only. Any reason why
we don't also do SSH and strongly suggest that people use it?
Um, because we're not stupid? SSH is literally access to the base OS,
and not to the BBS itself.
I have noticed that many of the BBSes are telnet only. Any reason why we don't also do SSH and strongly suggest that people use it?
Um, because we're not stupid? SSH is literally access to the base OS, and not to the BBS itself.
Um, because we're not stupid? SSH is literally access to the base OS, and not to the BBS itself.
Uh, where to you get that? I run my BBS SSH on port 2222, not plain 22.
I have port 22 access from inside my network for admin purposes, but BBS users cannot log into the system on port 22 even if they are local to my network.
BBS is behind a powerful firewall (not cheap wifi router or cable modem,
i run a dedicated pfSense router) with appropriate security and NAT redirection for the relevant ports.
Please educate me if I'm wrong. I sure can't log in as any BBS user over regular SSH into the server.
I also support both on my BBS, but I think the reason people generally don't strongly suggest to use SSH is that it seems most BBS users don't really care if their BBS session is encrypted. Telnet seems to be the default, and it seems most users won't care enough to switch it over to SSH. People have said they don't think there's a strong need that their BBS activity (or perhaps even their account password) be encrypted
because there isn't much of value that can be gained from it.
Maybe a stupid question, but how does SSHing into a BBS give you access
to the base OS? When you SSH into a BBS, you're still at the BBS menu etc., just like with telnet.
Honestly, I'm a little surprised that you didn't already figure this out for yourself.
Um, because we're not stupid? SSH is literally access to the base OS, and not to the BBS itself.
Instead of a password like L[******], you could have a password that
Please educate me if I'm wrong. I sure can't log in as any BBS user over regular SSH into the server.
boraxman wrote to Blue White <=-
The women in my black and white dreams are not perfect... they are
usually beautiful, but more like the women you would expect to see in a film noir. So not quiet or necessarily pleasant but, yeah, waking from those still bums me out.
I've learned from my dreams, that I have a sub-conscious preference for those with a placid demeanor, not dolled up or fancy, perhaps the overlooked "wallflower", someone deep. Maybe someone like me.
Maybe a stupid question, but how does SSHing into a BBS give you access to the base OS? When you SSH into a BBS, you're still at the BBS menu etc., just like with telnet.
I'm going to give you the excuse of 'youthful exuberance' here. Port 22 and SSH access are not the same. Do *not* open ANY SSH port to the world!
Maybe a stupid question, but how does SSHing into a BBS give you
access to the base OS? When you SSH into a BBS, you're still at the
BBS menu etc., just like with telnet.
That's not a stupid question, and I leave it to more experienced people than I to answer. However, I am loathe to give anyone core access to my device, and that's exactly what I use SSH for.
I do not open any port in my network for outside SSH access. Call me old-school, if you must.
That's not a stupid question, and I leave it to more experienced people than I to answer. However, I am loathe to give anyone core access to my device, and that's exactly what I use SSH for.
I feel like I've told you a couple weeks ago already. You can change the sshd port to something else and then have your BBS listen on 22. Or you can pick some wonky port for your BBS and leave sshd listening on
standard 22. I lean towards making the user experience easy, so I move sshd to a different port.
Don't be passing that default fsxNet password around! Especially to us fsxNet patrons! What's wrong with you?!
Seriously, though. You just faux pas'd. Don't share passwords in public echos...Almost as important as not opening your SSH port to the world, except this affects everyone on fsxNet!
I *AM* one of those "more experienced
people" when it comes to SSH and Telnet. I'm no haxx0r g0d or anything close, but I have enough professional experience to know this. </snark>
If you really want to be properly secure, you'd set up a VPN endpoint on your router and force users to connect to the VPN first and then
That said, my sshd port is not open to the world and even my BBS is only open to like seven countries.
This doesn't really gain anything for SSH. You can get the same MFA, logging, and blacklisting that you can with a VPN. What the VPN can get you tunneling your DNS and a central place for getting MFA, logging, and blacklisting for *all* your systems. But if you just have one server
then it's just adding complexity.
That sounds reasonable, and I may do exactly that for user ease. Since I haven't announced the board publicly yet, it would be very easy to make that change for both 22 and 23 and move sshd to something else.
Since I am a long time Linux/Windows server admin, security and privacy are top-of-mind. Also, one of the reasons that BBSes are gaining some traction these days is because of privacy; we come here so that we
aren't data mined by facebook and google for everything we type.
boraxman wrote to Blue White <=-
The women in my black and white dreams are not perfect... they are usually beautiful, but more like the women you would expect to see in a film noir. So not quiet or necessarily pleasant but, yeah, waking from those still bums me out.
I've learned from my dreams, that I have a sub-conscious preference for those with a placid demeanor, not dolled up or fancy, perhaps the overlooked "wallflower", someone deep. Maybe someone like me.
I do also, most of the time, as those were the kind of women I would normally date. Unfortunately, in my dreams, I often see a different side
of that kind of person, where they turn pretty evil.
Not true in the black and white dreams, on either count.
... Tell me, is something eluding you, Sunshine?
That's exactly why I'm here: FaceBot can suck my big one!
More importantly, as the SysOp of PiBBS, I am allowed to speak my mind, within the limits of whichever 'net I'm speaking in. And these limits
are *far* less strict than 'good' ol' Sucker-berg's! No FaceBot Jail for me, thank you very much! t(^_^t)
I am more than willing to help you figure out how to get that set up properly if you ever become interested. I don't know Andre at all, but from what he has said, it sounds like he'd be willing, as well.
I feel like I've told you a couple weeks ago already. You can change the sshd port to something else and then have your BBS listen on 22. Or you can pick some wonky port for your BBS and leave sshd listening on
standard 22. I lean towards making the user experience easy, so I move sshd to a different port.
I'm going to give you the excuse of 'youthful exuberance' here. Port and SSH access are not the same. Do *not* open ANY SSH port to the wo
That's somewhat true, but depends on what SSH server program we're
talking about. The likelihood of a working OpenSSH remote exploit is extremely low, though it has happened occasionally before.
If you use a very strong password that isn't used elsewhere, or better
yet a cert, then you're pretty safe. Even more so if you add MFA.
That said, my sshd port is not open to the world and even my BBS is only open to like seven countries.
When using SSH on a BBS, the BBS software handles the SSH session, in
the same way it handles the telnet session. You could also enable
telnet access to your base OS if you wanted to. But for either
protocol, I don't really see how either protocol would pose more of an access risk than the other when connecting to a BBS.
At the very least, brute-force attacks are still a thing. There's only so many characters in a single password.
Sir, I would ask you to refresh your lessons on network vulnerability. Trust me when I say this: SSH access is root access, if you do it right.
That's not a stupid question, and I leave it to more experienced peop than I to answer. However, I am loathe to give anyone core access to device, and that's exactly what I use SSH for.
(please pardon the snark here)
<snark>
I *AM* one of those "more experienced
people" when it comes to SSH and Telnet. I'm no haxx0r g0d or anything close, but I have enough professional experience to know this.
</snark>
OK, I think I understand where you might be a little confused.
On my Ubuntu box, I run an ssh server on the standard port of 22. That port is NOT available from the outside. The server on port 22 is the one that gives me shell access to the Ubuntu Server underlying OS.
Mystic (mis, actually) runs its OWN server that I set to port 2222. Connecting on port 2222 connects you to the BBS only; it goes nowhere
near a shell into the ubuntu box. I then forward port 2222 from the outside to port 2222 on the inside in the firewall.
Um. That password is publicly available, as shown in the MysticGuy's videos.
How do you think I got it? I didn't have to meet some dude in an alley
or give a blood sample, ya know.
Sir, I would ask you to refresh your lessons on network vulnerability. Trust me when I say this: SSH access is root access, if you do it right.
In my dreams I am usually some sort of overpowerful dude steamrolling bad people.
How quaint. You actually think that Mystic's SSH isn't the same as...you know...*actual* SSH...
That's exactly why I'm here: FaceBot can suck my big one!
More importantly, as the SysOp of PiBBS, I am allowed to speak my min within the limits of whichever 'net I'm speaking in. And these limits are *far* less strict than 'good' ol' Sucker-berg's! No FaceBot Jail me, thank you very much! t(^_^t)
Which should be all the more reason for you to SUPPORT SSH.
I am more than willing to help you figure out how to get that set up properly if you ever become interested. I don't know Andre at all, but from what he has said, it sounds like he'd be willing, as well.
How quaint. You actually think that Mystic's SSH isn't the same as...you know...*actual* SSH...
My hat is white, damnit!
I am more than willing to help you figure out how to get that set up properly if you ever become interested. I don't know Andre at all, bu from what he has said, it sounds like he'd be willing, as well.
There something I read years ago that I forget from time to time...
Never point out problems, because then you just volunteered to fix them.
And if you allow 'sudo su' to your standard user (hi, RPi OS!), then I dunno what to tell you.
Hell, man! I'm trying to get *you* properly set up! (@_@)
Yeah, bud. And I'm pretty sure 2twisty just volunteered *you* to fix his eventual rapid network invasion. Don't blame me for this one! My hands
are very much clean! (O_O)
Assuming that someone doesn't use a cert (which I said they should) or
MFA (also said they should), then password managers do the trick just fine.
Speaking as someone who has purchased more than one $20k password
cracking rig, unless you're sharing passwords with a site that got
hacked, it's not easy to crack a long password.
Using a randomly generated numbers/uppercase/symbols 30-char password,
two websites just estimated brute force cracking to take:
Sir, I would ask you to refresh your lessons on network vulnerability Trust me when I say this: SSH access is root access, if you do it rig
....and so is Telnet or ANY protocol exposed to the Internet.
Every server/service has bugs that can be exploited; they were coded by imperfect umans that make mistakes. It's just whether or not they have been discovered/weaponized.
Sir, I would ask you to refresh your lessons on network vulnerability Trust me when I say this: SSH access is root access, if you do it rig
For the love all that's holy, you have got to stop talking about this. You're not doing this well. :)
Telnet and SSH both, by default, allow access to to log in to a shell. However, in most (all?) distros, neither of them allow root access
without making a config change.
And if you allow 'sudo su' to your standard user (hi, RPi OS!), then I dunno what to tell you.
How quaint. You actually think that Mystic's SSH isn't the same as... know...*actual* SSH...
What does "actual SSH" even mean?
How quaint. You actually think that Mystic's SSH isn't the same as... know...*actual* SSH...
Do you *actually* think i run Mystic as root?
Hell, man! I'm trying to get *you* properly set up! (@_@)
And I appreciate it, believe me. What I need help with is the specifics of Mystic -- which files are displayed to the user and when and how to "plug in" any code that I may write.
The Millionaire wrote to Gamgee <=-
Are you still carrying Mobile on your BBS?
2twisty wrote to Gamgee <=-
No, I do not. Telnet only.
I have noticed that many of the BBSes are telnet only. Any
reason why we don't also do SSH and strongly suggest that people
use it?
I support both, but plan to detect if they are on telnet and
encourage people to use SSH because it's secure.
McDoob wrote to 2twisty <=-
I have noticed that many of the BBSes are telnet only. Any reason why
we don't also do SSH and strongly suggest that people use it?
Um, because we're not stupid? SSH is literally access to the base
OS, and not to the BBS itself.
Honestly, I'm a little surprised that you didn't already figure
this out for yourself.
McDoob wrote to 2twisty <=-
Um, because we're not stupid? SSH is literally access to the base OS, and not to the BBS itself.
Uh, where to you get that? I run my BBS SSH on port 2222, not plain 22.
I have port 22 access from inside my network for admin purposes, but BBS users cannot log into the system on port 22 even if they are local to my network.
I'm going to give you the excuse of 'youthful exuberance' here.
Port 22 and SSH access are not the same. Do *not* open ANY SSH
port to the world!
BBS is behind a powerful firewall (not cheap wifi router or cable modem,
i run a dedicated pfSense router) with appropriate security and NAT redirection for the relevant ports.
For every defence, there is somone trying to find a way around
it. I would know, because I've tried. Not in your case,
though...(o_O)
Please educate me if I'm wrong. I sure can't log in as any BBS user over regular SSH into the server.
And that's kind of my point! Why would you give any Trouble,
Dick, and Hasbeen, free access to your underlying OS? Close that
port, sir!
Just my opinion. Please check out http://pibbs.sytes.net for
more.
2twisty wrote to McDoob <=-
Don't be passing that default fsxNet password around! Especially to us fsxNet patrons! What's wrong with you?!
Seriously, though. You just faux pas'd. Don't share passwords in public echos...Almost as important as not opening your SSH port to the world, except this affects everyone on fsxNet!
Um. That password is publicly available, as shown in the
MysticGuy's videos.
How do you think I got it? I didn't have to meet some dude in an
alley or give a blood sample, ya know.
McDoob wrote to Nightfox <=-
When using SSH on a BBS, the BBS software handles the SSH session, in
the same way it handles the telnet session. You could also enable
telnet access to your base OS if you wanted to. But for either
protocol, I don't really see how either protocol would pose more of an access risk than the other when connecting to a BBS.
Sir, I would ask you to refresh your lessons on network
vulnerability. Trust me when I say this: SSH access is root
access, if you do it right.
I have noticed that many of the BBSes are telnet only. Any reason wh we don't also do SSH and strongly suggest that people use it?
Um, because we're not stupid? SSH is literally access to the base
OS, and not to the BBS itself.
Ummmm........ no. LOL
Honestly, I'm a little surprised that you didn't already figure
this out for yourself.
Yeah... I'm not surprised that you haven't figured this out.
I'm going to give you the excuse of 'youthful exuberance' here.
Port 22 and SSH access are not the same. Do *not* open ANY SSH
port to the world!
Strike one.
Please educate me if I'm wrong. I sure can't log in as any BBS user regular SSH into the server.
And that's kind of my point! Why would you give any Trouble,
Dick, and Hasbeen, free access to your underlying OS? Close that port, sir!
Strike two.
Just my opinion. Please check out http://pibbs.sytes.net for
more.
Wow. I don't even know where to begin to address the level of cluelessness in this message. Hahahahahahaha! Holy crap.
You have a lot to learn, McNoob.
I have noticed that many of the BBSes are telnet only. Any reason why we don't also do SSH and strongly suggest that people use it?
Maybe a stupid question, but how does SSHing into a BBS give you access to the base OS? When you SSH into a BBS, you're still at the BBS menu etc., just like with telnet.
Um. That password is publicly available, as shown in the MysticGuy's videos.
How do you think I got it? I didn't have to meet some dude in an alley or give a blood sample, ya know.
subject! But, I may or may not know what I'm talking about when it comes to network penetration...
Um. That password is publicly available, as shown in the MysticGuy's videos.
How do you think I got it? I didn't have to meet some dude in an all give a blood sample, ya know.
I was sure it involved a session in a phone box with a particular frequency whistle. :P
I have noticed that many of the BBSes are telnet only. Any reason why
we don't also do SSH and strongly suggest that people use it?
I support both, but plan to detect if they are on telnet and encourage people to use SSH because it's secure.
I have noticed that many of the BBSes are telnet only. Any reason why don't also do SSH and strongly suggest that people use it?
I also support both on my BBS, but I think the reason people generally don't strongly suggest to use SSH is that it seems most BBS users don't really care if their BBS session is encrypted. Telnet seems to be the default, and it seems most users won't care enough to switch it over to SSH. People have said they don't think there's a strong need that their BBS activity (or perhaps even their account password) be encrypted
because there isn't much of value that can be gained from it.
Yes you can use the "what are you hiding if you are encrypting?"
argument. My answer to that is "What am I concealing/protecting? My PRIVACY."
Since I am a long time Linux/Windows server admin, security and privacy are top-of-mind. Also, one of the reasons that BBSes are gaining some traction these days is because of privacy; we come here so that we
aren't data mined by facebook and google for everything we type.
Seems to me that encryption goes hand-in-hand with that mindset.
That's exactly why I'm here: FaceBot can suck my big one!
More importantly, as the SysOp of PiBBS, I am allowed to speak my mind, within the limits of whichever 'net I'm speaking in. And these limits
are *far* less strict than 'good' ol' Sucker-berg's! No FaceBot Jail for me, thank you very much! t(^_^t)
Yeah, but you can find that whistle in a cereal box! (o_O)
I think preferring privacy should be the default, and even if people
think they have nothing to hide, it is a good culture to foster, a good mindset, that one cares about their privacy instead of being complacent.
I think at this point, there is little worth trying to lift out of any given telnet session that it probably has some level of security through obscurity.
Legacy systems relying on some kind of serial interface probably will never achieve it. Is anyone going to write a SSH verison of things like rlfossil or netfoss? I'm not thinking so.
I think at this point, there is little worth trying to lift out of
any given telnet session that it probably has some level of security
through obscurity.
I don't agree. People just try to search for open ports, just to see what they can get. People aren't looking for something specific, they are just looking to see what is available. Any telnet session is a target.
I run my BBS SSH on port 2222, not plain 22.
BBS is behind a powerful firewall (not cheap wifi router or cable modem,
i run a dedicated pfSense router) with appropriate security and NAT redirection for the relevant ports.
Please educate me if I'm wrong. I sure can't log in as any BBS user over regular SSH into the server.
That said, my sshd port is not open to the world and even my BBS is only open to like seven countries.
Maybe a stupid question, but how does SSHing into a BBS give you
access to the base OS? When you SSH into a BBS, you're still at the
BBS menu etc., just like with telnet.
If your BBS doesn't have native SSH support, you need to do some sort of protocol conversion, you can't just point an SSH client at its telnet port. The easiest way to achieve this is to accept the SSH connect at OS level and then direct to a telnet session to the BBS.
Well, for what it is worth, I am one who does care, and while I won't abstain from using telnet if there is no ssh available, I strongly prefer ssh. I'm not comfortable with people viewing my BBS activity, even it is just these messages.
I think preferring privacy should be the default, and even if people think they have nothing to hide, it is a good culture to foster, a good mindset, that one cares about their privacy instead of being complacent.
I have noticed that many of the BBSes are telnet only. Any
reason why we don't also do SSH and strongly suggest that people
use it?
I've thought about it, and probably should implement it. I guess it's
just that there really isn't any "secret" data being transferred.
It seems that there's this idea of having "nothing to hide" though, and
a some people might think if you're trying to encrypt your stuff and be generally private, then you might be hiding something. :/
I'd consider at least users' passwords to be something secret. Those (like everything) are transmitted in plaintext over telnet.
Sir, I would ask you to refresh your lessons on network
vulnerability. Trust me when I say this: SSH access is root
access, if you do it right.
Hahahahahahahaha! He just keeps digging that hole deeper and deeper!
It's comical and pathetic, at the same time.
The *METHOD* of access (SSH/telnet/rlogin/whatever) has *NOTHING* to do with whether 'root access' is available/achieved. I repeat, NOTHING.
Nightfox wrote to Gamgee <=-
I have noticed that many of the BBSes are telnet only. Any
reason why we don't also do SSH and strongly suggest that people
use it?
I've thought about it, and probably should implement it. I guess it's
just that there really isn't any "secret" data being transferred.
I'd consider at least users' passwords to be something secret.
Those (like everything) are transmitted in plaintext over telnet.
Nightfox wrote to Gamgee <=-
Re: Re: Nightmares / Dreams
By: Gamgee to McDoob on Thu Mar 31 2022 10:46 pm
Sir, I would ask you to refresh your lessons on network
vulnerability. Trust me when I say this: SSH access is root
access, if you do it right.
Hahahahahahahaha! He just keeps digging that hole deeper and deeper!
It's comical and pathetic, at the same time.
The *METHOD* of access (SSH/telnet/rlogin/whatever) has *NOTHING* to do with whether 'root access' is available/achieved. I repeat, NOTHING.
Yeah, I've used SSH on multiple operating systems (Linux,
Windows, Mac, etc.) for a long time and had never heard of this
"SSH access is root access" before now..
SSH is for encrypting the terminal session, and gaining root access
is something separate.
Absolutely. McDoob does not seem to understand this. Maybe enough
people have told him how wrong he is now, and he'll make an effort to
gain some clues. Maybe not.
It’s official, you’ve lost your mind. There’s no way he thinks he’s wrong about this.
Yes, that's certainly true. I guess it's more like there's really
nothing to "hack" on a BBS user's account, even if somebody got a password that they shouldn't have. Back in the Golden Era of BBSs, when everything was over a modem/serial line, there was no security, and it wasn't deemed to be a big deal. I know times have changed, and it's probably the right thing to offer SSH access to those who want it.
It's official, you've lost your mind. There's no way he thinks
he's wrong about this.
Looks like your apostrophe key is getting misencoded....
It was done in Synchronet's web interface from an iPhone. It'll be interesting to see what this reply shows with me logged into the BBS terminal.
2twisty wrote to Gamgee <=-
No, I do not. Telnet only.
I have noticed that many of the BBSes are telnet only. Any
reason why we don't also do SSH and strongly suggest that people
use it?
I've thought about it, and probably should implement it. I guess it's
just that there really isn't any "secret" data being transferred.
I support both, but plan to detect if they are on telnet and
encourage people to use SSH because it's secure.
I may do it also, soon.
I don't agree. People just try to search for open ports, just to see they can get. People aren't looking for something specific, they are looking to see what is available. Any telnet session is a target.
The only way to make this statement more untrue would be to say that scanning isn't even happening. :)
The vast majority of scanning looks for, and usually attempts to
exploit, a specific attack. Just eyeballing my IPS shows maybe 5% or so are simple port scans. It's been this way at least since I started
paying attention in the early 2000s.
I generally agree.
It seems that there's this idea of having "nothing to hide" though, and
a some people might think if you're trying to encrypt your stuff and be generally private, then you might be hiding something. :/
I find this view of "nothing to hide" very selfish, and it speaks of poor character and judgment. One should, of course, be free to show the world whatever they like. But it should be a CHOICE. The "I've got nothing to hide" people, usually, are actually arguing against YOU having privacy. These people are arguing against YOU being allowed, or having the option of privacy. They are arguing "If I don't care about it, you shouldn't have the option to care about it either".
It was done in Synchronet's web interface from an iPhone. It'll be interesting to see what this reply shows with me logged into the BBS terminal.
It was done in Synchronet's web interface from an iPhone. It'll be
interesting to see what this reply shows with me logged into the BBS
terminal.
Looks like some combination of Synchronet/Syncterm/SlyEdit display the UTF-8 right single quote as an ASCII apostrophe, and even when quoting convert the original character to ASCII.
The short term solution is probably for the web interface to convert some characters to ASCII before saving the message. But the correct solution is for newer terminal clients to learn to support UTF-8 someday.
When you say "Synchronet's web interface", do you mean ecwebv4 or the old Runemaster web interface? I suspect it might not make a difference, but I'm not sure if that's true..
It was done in Synchronet's web interface from an iPhone. It'll be
I think that for a BBS, keeping the credentials safe would be the goal, rather than keeping the messages themselves safe. YOu would not want somebody to sniff somebody'spassword and then log in with his
account.
Maybe it is a minority, yes, but it is enough to be a consideration.
AFter all, if only 5% of the people that pass by your house every day try to get in through the back door, then you better lock your back door!
I don't agree. People just try to search for open ports, just to see
what they can get. People aren't looking for something specific, they
are just looking to see what is available. Any telnet session is a target.
Andre wrote to Gamgee <=-
Absolutely. McDoob does not seem to understand this. Maybe enough
people have told him how wrong he is now, and he'll make an effort to
gain some clues. Maybe not.
Itª€™s official, youª€™ve lost your mind. Thereª€™s no way he
thinks heª€™s wrong about this.
Nightfox wrote to Gamgee <=-
Re: Re: Nightmares / Dreams
By: Gamgee to Nightfox on Fri Apr 01 2022 01:57 pm
Yes, that's certainly true. I guess it's more like there's really
nothing to "hack" on a BBS user's account, even if somebody got a
password that they shouldn't have. Back in the Golden Era of BBSs, when everything was over a modem/serial line, there was no security, and it wasn't deemed to be a big deal. I know times have changed, and it's probably the right thing to offer SSH access to those who want it.
Yeah, BBS user records probably don't contain anything really
important. Also, back when everyone connected to a BBS via a
modem over a phone line, the data being sent back & forth wasn't
publicly visible like it is over the internet. I imagine someone
could still use a wire tap and decode the modem audio being sent
back and forth, but that probably wouldn't be as easy as
monitoring a connection on the internet.
Arelor wrote to Gamgee <=-
No, I do not. Telnet only.
I have noticed that many of the BBSes are telnet only. Any
reason why we don't also do SSH and strongly suggest that people
use it?
I've thought about it, and probably should implement it. I guess it's
just that there really isn't any "secret" data being transferred.
I support both, but plan to detect if they are on telnet and
encourage people to use SSH because it's secure.
I may do it also, soon.
I think that for a BBS, keeping the credentials safe would be the
goal, rather than keeping the messages themselves safe. YOu would
not want somebody to sniff somebody'spassword and then log in
with his account.
Gamgee wrote to Nightfox <=-
Nightfox wrote to Gamgee <=-
Re: Re: Nightmares / Dreams
By: Gamgee to McDoob on Thu Mar 31 2022 10:46 pm
Sir, I would ask you to refresh your lessons on network
vulnerability. Trust me when I say this: SSH access is root
access, if you do it right.
Just to hit on this previous comment by McDoob.... SSH access is root access, if you do it *WRONG*...! That's even assuming one allows SSH access to the OS, which is not what we're talking about here.
When you say "Synchronet's web interface", do you mean ecwebv4 or
the old Runemaster web interface? I suspect it might not make a
difference, but I'm not sure if that's true..
Unless I'm talking to other Sync sysops, I just say web interface instead of webv4. I think we're far enough removed from the Runemaster version that we don't have to talk about it anymore.
Brian Klauss wrote to Gamgee <=-
Sir, I would ask you to refresh your lessons on network
vulnerability. Trust me when I say this: SSH access is root
access, if you do it right.
Just to hit on this previous comment by McDoob.... SSH access is root access, if you do it *WRONG*...! That's even assuming one allows SSH access to the OS, which is not what we're talking about here.
First and foremost, disable root access via sshd_config. Second,
change the port to something out there and only configure it for
a specific range of IPs. Finally, set the BBS to respond to port
22. Whenever I hear people getting root hacked via an SSH
exploit, I cringe. It's not the exploit, it's stupidity.
While I agree keeping the credentials safe is a lofty goal, mostly
because people being people will probably use the password in more than one location. But even if someone acquires the credentials on a BBS there's not much you can do with them.. write a few messages to an echo..its not like those details can be used for anything else, unlike your email address and password.
Spec
I don't agree. People just try to search for open ports, just to see what they can get. People aren't looking for something specific, the are just looking to see what is available. Any telnet session is a target.
While that's true. I don't see anyone going out of their way to break
into a BBS. By far the login attempts try to force, root, admin, or
some other known default account name, it doesn't matter what password
the attacker uses its never going to be there. Again having access to a BBS doesn't give you any particular power, or added vulnerability. It's not like you can plant some kind of trojan, add other accounts, or generally damage a BBS setup.
ST
Gamgee wrote to Brian Klauss <=-
Brian Klauss wrote to Gamgee <=-
First and foremost, disable root access via sshd_config. Second,
change the port to something out there and only configure it for
a specific range of IPs. Finally, set the BBS to respond to port
22. Whenever I hear people getting root hacked via an SSH
exploit, I cringe. It's not the exploit, it's stupidity.
Not sure why you replied to me on this. Perhaps you meant to send this
to McDoob? Also, some of your reply doesn't make much sense. I would
not set the BBS to respond to port 22 because I want the computer/OS to respond to 22 when I SSH to it from within my LAN. The BBS should be
set to something else, such as 2222 or whatever. Oh, and it goes
without saying that you don't allow root to access the box via SSH.
Again, this is all meant to go to McDoob, as I already know this...
solution is
for newer terminal clients to learn to support UTF-8 someday.
just checked that message of yours, and the apostrophes look good using SyncTerm, but they don't look good when using PuTTY. I suspect they may
to McDoob? Also, some of your reply doesn't make much sense. I would
not set the BBS to respond to port 22 because I want the computer/OS to respond to 22 when I SSH to it from within my LAN. The BBS should be
I think that for a BBS, keeping the credentials safe would be the goal, rather than keeping the messages themselves
safe. YOu would not want somebody to sniff somebody'spassword and then log in with his
account.
While I agree keeping the credentials safe is a lofty goal, mostly because people being people will probably use the
password in more than one location. But even if someone acquires the credentials on a BBS there's not much you
can do with them.. write a few messages to an echo..its not like those details can be used for anything else, unlike your email address and password.
Spec
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I think that for a BBS, keeping the credentials safe would be the
goal, rather than keeping the messages themselves safe. YOu would
not want somebody to sniff somebody'spassword and then log in
with his account.
You're right, and I think you've asked me about this a while back too...
I've now enabled SSH access (on port 2222), if you'd like to give it a try; let me know if anything is amiss.
With the way things are set up now, they can post using your account, using your name, very public messages.
Sure they could do that anyway, but there is less deniability because it actually came from your account.
But why have an external well-known port configured elsewhere for user access? A trivial inconvenience for yourself allows for far greater
reach for your users. For example, having your BBS respond on port
22 while you access your system, locally, on port 30222, ensures
your users don't have to remember the port to access your system.
Ultimately, I am always on the side of the users (customers, clients, etc.), and want to make their lives a little bit easier.
No, it is a small, rather unknown target. I don't avoid using telnet for BBS's, I do it often, its just that I like the option not to do so.
Worst case scenario, they steal your credentials and use your account for posting a credible terrorist threat, which would get the legitimate
user's as swatted :-)
Its a known ipad/iphone problem. The Millionaire has the same issue.
Worst case scenario, they steal your credentials and use your account f posting a credible terrorist threat, which would get the legitimate user's as swatted :-)
While I concede that it possible... so is a car accident... or breaking your neck next time you ride a horse... it seems pretty unlikely. I think you'd b looking for a FacePlant account to do that kinda thing. I'm not sure the NSA are looking at BBS echo's or forums...
Spec
Its not just a terminal thing... if the underlying BBS software doesn't know UTF8, ergo any DOS based, maybe early OS/Who also, then synchterm or not its still gibberish.
just checked that message of yours, and the apostrophes look good using SyncTerm, but they don't look good when using PuTTY. I suspect they may
Interesting. They looked messed up to me and I'm on Syncterm.
Is there a setting somewhere I need to adjust, or is it just another symptom of my bizarrely-bastard copy of Syncterm (I can't paste with mouse or ctrl-ins).
I keep the BBS on some random number port also, because I wan't local access to the regular port services/numbering. But I forward port 23 (telnet) for me, to that random numbered port at my router so its the
only telnet service available to the outside world. This works nicely in that if I telnet to my external IP it comes back in to the BBS like a regular port 22 session, and if telnet/ssh to the local ip number I've
got the regular service available for console work.
Worst case scenario, they steal your credentials and use your account for posting a credible terrorist threat, which would
get the legitimate user's as swatted :-)
On my network, the BBS is on 2222/2323 for ssh/telnet. In my router, I forward 22 -> 2222 and 23 -> 2323 so that fom outside, I am on standard ports, making it easy for users.
I also forward 2222 -> 2222 and 2323 -> 2323. Since my terminal software is configged on 2222/2323 for interal access, I forward these in case I was away from home with my laptop and didnt want to change the port setting in Syncterm. Yeah -- this one is purely a laziness move :)
its not like those details can be used for anything else, unlike
your email address and password.
That has the added benefit of not needing to start the BBS as a
privileged user since it's a high port (above 1024). One less thing to deal with, since I'm sure a lot of sysops get confused by it and end up running the BBS as root.
Absolutely. McDoob does not seem to understand this. Maybe enough people have told him how wrong he is now, and he'll make an effort to gain some clues. Maybe not.
Itª€™s official, youª€™ve lost your mind. Thereª€™s no way he
thinks heª€™s wrong about this.
You're probably right (on your second sentence), unfortunately. Oh
well, at least everybody else knows he's wrong. :-)
I launch mu bbs with
sudo -u unprivuser /mystic/mis daemon
Same thing with the MRC python script. None of this BBS stuff runs as root. If I needed more privs, I'd make another user account with just enough privs to do the job.
Brian Klauss wrote to Gamgee <=-
First and foremost, disable root access via sshd_config. Second,
change the port to something out there and only configure it for
a specific range of IPs. Finally, set the BBS to respond to port
22. Whenever I hear people getting root hacked via an SSH
exploit, I cringe. It's not the exploit, it's stupidity.
Not sure why you replied to me on this. Perhaps you meant to send this
to McDoob? Also, some of your reply doesn't make much sense. I would
not set the BBS to respond to port 22 because I want the computer/OS to respond to 22 when I SSH to it from within my LAN. The BBS should be
set to something else, such as 2222 or whatever. Oh, and it goes
without saying that you don't allow root to access the box via SSH.
But why have an external well-known port configured elsewhere for
user access? A trivial inconvenience for yourself allows for far
greater reach for your users. For example, having your BBS
respond on port 22 while you access your system, locally, on port
30222, ensures your users don't have to remember the port to
access your system.
Ultimately, I am always on the side of the users (customers,
clients, etc.), and want to make their lives a little bit easier.
Spectre wrote to Gamgee <=-
I keep the BBS on some random number port also, because I wan't
local access to the regular port services/numbering. But I
forward port 23 (telnet) for me, to that random numbered port at
my router so its the only telnet service available to the outside
world. This works nicely in that if I telnet to my external IP it
comes back in to the BBS like a regular port 22 session, and if
telnet/ssh to the local ip number I've got the regular service
available for console work.
If your setup was a bit different, you could have your BBS on 23
and shift the regular service out on a different port number.
Telnet/ssh would still be available but you'd have to remember
the extra port inf, and probably limit access to your local
subnet only.
2twisty wrote to Andre <=-
That has the added benefit of not needing to start the BBS as a
privileged user since it's a high port (above 1024). One less thing to deal with, since I'm sure a lot of sysops get confused by it and end up running the BBS as root.
...and therefore believe that SSH == root access.
I do keep my BBS telnet access on 23. The reason I don't want to do
that with SSH/22 is because I want to use SSH/22 for internal/LAN access to the BBS machine. I don't have any need for local telnet/23 access.
Yep. McNoob.... are you listening? Do you run your BBS as root? LOL
2twisty wrote to Gamgee <=-
Yep. McNoob.... are you listening? Do you run your BBS as root? LOL
You sure do love to poke that bear, lol.
From my conversations with him, i beleve he is not running as
root.
2twisty wrote to Gamgee <=-
On 02 Apr 2022, Gamgee said the following...
I do keep my BBS telnet access on 23. The reason I don't want to do
that with SSH/22 is because I want to use SSH/22 for internal/LAN access to the BBS machine. I don't have any need for local telnet/23 access.
Then on your router, forward 22 external to 2222 internal. Thats
what I do.
I do the same for telnet on 2323, this way the BBS software
doesn't need root access of any kind to open those ports.
That has the added benefit of not needing to start the BBS as a privileged user since it's a high port (above 1024). One less thing t deal with, since I'm sure a lot of sysops get confused by it and end running the BBS as root.
...and therefore believe that SSH == root access.
Yep. McNoob.... are you listening? Do you run your BBS as root? LOL
user/group that the BBS runs as. This allows the BBS to open the ports (because of the 'sudo'), but then immediately fall back to running as a normal user. Synchronet can also be compiled with the 'setcap' command
Yep. McNoob.... are you listening? Do you run your BBS as root? LO
You sure do love to poke that bear, lol.
Just giving back what I get from him... :-) He's previously demonstrated that his Linux knowledge is....... questionable....
From my conversations with him, i beleve he is not running as
root.
Perhaps not, but somehow he believes that SSH access = Root access, and that would be one explanation as to why he believes that. Will be interesting to see if he answers the question or not.
just checked that message of yours, and the apostrophes look good
using SyncTerm, but they don't look good when using PuTTY. I
suspect they may
Interesting. They looked messed up to me and I'm on Syncterm.
Is there a setting somewhere I need to adjust, or is it just another symptom of my bizarrely-bastard copy of Syncterm (I can't paste with mouse or ctrl-ins).
McDoob wrote to Gamgee <=-
That has the added benefit of not needing to start the BBS as a privileged user since it's a high port (above 1024). One less thing t deal with, since I'm sure a lot of sysops get confused by it and end running the BBS as root.
...and therefore believe that SSH == root access.
Yep. McNoob.... are you listening? Do you run your BBS as root? LOL
*continues pointedly not responding to hostility*
2twisty wrote to Gamgee <=-
user/group that the BBS runs as. This allows the BBS to open the ports (because of the 'sudo'), but then immediately fall back to running as a normal user. Synchronet can also be compiled with the 'setcap' command
If you launch anything with SUDO as root, you have to TRUST that
the software drops back.
Has that code been audited?
I wouls still worry that since the binary is started as root,
there is a path (albeit maybe VERY difficult) to crash the app,
corrupt RAM and execute arbitrary code.
I prefer to launch all externally excessible stuff as unpriv
users if at all possible.
So I'd go for the recompile or just run with port >1024.
McDoob wrote to Gamgee <=-
Yep. McNoob.... are you listening? Do you run your BBS as root? LO
You sure do love to poke that bear, lol.
Just giving back what I get from him... :-) He's previously
demonstrated that his Linux knowledge is....... questionable....
Please continue underestimating me.
From my conversations with him, i beleve he is not running as
root.
Perhaps not, but somehow he believes that SSH access = Root access, and that would be one explanation as to why he believes that. Will be interesting to see if he answers the question or not.
If you were to drop the hostility, I'd be more than happy to
respond. Continue being a jerk, and you will continue in
ignorance.
Yep. McNoob.... are you listening? Do you run your BBS as root? LO
*continues pointedly not responding to hostility*
Hostility? Where? How much dope have you smoked today? Sheesh. Get a grip on reality, willya?
Yep. McNoob.... are you listening? Do you run your BBS as root
You sure do love to poke that bear, lol.
Just giving back what I get from him... :-) He's previously demonstrated that his Linux knowledge is....... questionable....
Please continue underestimating me.
Haha, OK! But..... from what we've all seen here, I don't think I am.
If you were to drop the hostility, I'd be more than happy to
respond. Continue being a jerk, and you will continue in
ignorance.
Well, I don't really care that much, so whatever.
As stated in another post a minute ago, I'm not doing anything "hostile".
Certainly not in
the same category as what you were doing to me only a day or two ago.
Not so much fun when it comes back at you, is it?
Are you ready yet to acknowledge that you're wrong when you state "SSH access = Root access"?
Whatever do you mean? I'm very entertained by watching you make a fool of yourself.
Whatever do you mean? I'm very entertained by watching you make a foo yourself.
To be fair, you both look like idiots with the constant back and forth.
I've tried more than once to move away from this. However, it is difficult for me to sit silent when someone continues to attack me.
I've tried more than once to move away from this. However, it is difficu for me to sit silent when someone continues to attack me.
Be the change you want to see in the world. :D
For Synchronet and SyncTERM users, they can't tell the difference.
Oh well. There are idiosyncrasies with using old hardware and/or old software. If someone wants to run an old BBS on a C64, or if I recap my old Compaq and run WWIV 4.22 on it, then some things are going to be incompatible with the last 30 years of improvements.
I hardly have the patience of Mahatma Ghandi, but I will try. Thank you
Bzzzzt, Syncterm is only as good as what is sending the data, any legacy
McDoob wrote to Gamgee <=-
Are you ready yet to acknowledge that you're wrong when you state "SSH access = Root access"?
Forget ready, are you even *willing* to consider that I'm not? Or
do you already know everything, and any time someone disagrees,
they must clearly be wrong?
McDoob wrote to Andre <=-
I've tried more than once to move away from this.
However, it is difficult for me to sit silent when someone
continues to attack me.
I do the same for telnet on 2323, this way the BBS software doesn't need root access of any kind to open those ports.
Forget ready, are you even *willing* to consider that I'm not? Or
do you already know everything, and any time someone disagrees,
they must clearly be wrong?
None of that matters. The fact is, you are wrong, but can't admit it.
Stop wasting my time.
I've tried more than once to move away from this.
Really? It's quite easy to go back and look at the messages' time
stamps, and see that even when I stopped posting for two days, you
put out several messages intended solely to provoke/insult me,
disguised by your false sense of "humour". Is that what you consider moving away from this?
However, it is difficult for me to sit silent when someone
continues to attack me.
Nobody is "attacking" you. What I *AM* doing is calling out your
attacks, and identifying your lies. It's understandable that you
don't like that, but don't twist things around to make it appear
that you're not doing anything. It's very clear that you are.
For those of you who are using systemd to launch the BBS software, there is a capability setting which can be added to the systemd unit file,
which grants the program the ability to bind to privileged ports:
[Service]
AmbientCapabilities=CAP_NET_BIND_SERVICE
If everyone else *knows* the sky is neon green, it doesn't make it fact.
If everyone else *knows* the sky is neon green, it doesn't make it fa
It might if the sky is in fact neon green. After all neon green is
simply a label... todays sky blue might be tomorrows neon green... :P
When you say "Synchronet's web interface", do you mean ecwebv4 or theI like the ecweb4 the file listings are pretty nice.
old Runemaster web interface? I suspect it might not make a difference,
but I'm not sure if that's true..
McDoob wrote to Zip <=-
For those of you who are using systemd to launch the BBS software, there is a capability setting which can be added to the systemd unit file,
which grants the program the ability to bind to privileged ports:
[Service]
AmbientCapabilities=CAP_NET_BIND_SERVICE
That might be useful. Thanks.
McDoob wrote to Zip <=-
For those of you who are using systemd to launch the BBS software, th is a capability setting which can be added to the systemd unit file, which grants the program the ability to bind to privileged ports:
[Service]
AmbientCapabilities=CAP_NET_BIND_SERVICE
That might be useful. Thanks.
So, you *DO* run your BBS as root. Gotcha.
That also explains why you think SSH access == Root access.
HAR!
... Ignorance can be cured. Stupid is forever.
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Bzzzzt, Syncterm is only as good as what is sending the data, any
legacy
Yes, that's what I said. When you use Synchronet with SyncTERM, you don't have the problem.
I'll only add translation of encoding *upon posting* to webv4 if the BBS can tell me that a message area requires it, and if the BBS won't do it for me. My preference is to alter the original content only when necessary, and then at the last possible moment.
But the correct path would more likely be to use the only-ASCII flag for exporting certain echos.
So I'm thinking that my path will be to see if I can replicate and narrow down why some people are struggling to see the UTF-8 character. And if I
People have stated that both the terminal and server need to be in agreement on the encoding. I'm a bit puzzled by this but also not thinking
Is it possible to have a dream and a nightmare at the same time?
Is it possible to have a dream and a nightmare at the same time?
I'm not sure what you mean by this question. A nightmare is a type of dream..
What if it's like an erotic dream, but it's also spooky, like you're doing the hokey pokey but in a haunted house and there are spooky ghosts
Is it possible to have a dream and a nightmare at the same time?
Yes. I'd probably be doing the hokey poke and turning myself around.
echicken wrote to Nightfox <=-
Re: Nightmares / Dreams
By: Nightfox to The Millionaire on Tue Apr 05 2022 19:18:08
Is it possible to have a dream and a nightmare at the same time?
I'm not sure what you mean by this question. A nightmare is a type of dream..
What if it's like an erotic dream, but it's also spooky, like you're
doing the hokey pokey but in a haunted house and there are spooky
ghosts floating around going "BOO!" but you're also still enjoying the hokey pokey and then I dunno your arm falls off or something because
stuff like that happens in nightmares sometimes so now you got these spooky ghosts floating around while you're doing the hokey pokey and trying to enjoy yourself but you're also freaked out about your missing arm and then you look up and you realize that the haunted house is actually your high school math classroom you know how it's like that in dreams sometimes how like one place can be two different places and
anyway all your classmates are there and now you feel awkward and embarrassed and you're still worried about your missing arm and still trying to enjoy the hokeying and pokeying but the ghosts are still
going "BOO!" and freaking you out and you've got all of these
conflicting feelings going on in your head I guess that would be both a dream and a nightmare right?
What if it's like an erotic dream, but it's also spooky, like you're
doing the hokey pokey but in a haunted house and there are spooky ghosts floating around going "BOO!" but you're also still enjoying the hokey pokey and then I dunno your arm falls off or something because stuff
like that happens in nightmares sometimes so now you got these spooky ghosts floating around while you're doing the hokey pokey and trying to enjoy yourself but you're also freaked out about your missing arm and
then you look up and you realize that the haunted house is actually your high school math classroom you know how it's like that in dreams
sometimes how like one place can be two different places and anyway all your classmates are there and now you feel awkward and embarrassed and you're still worried about your missing arm and still trying to enjoy
the hokeying and pokeying but the ghosts are still going "BOO!" and freaking you out and you've got all of these conflicting feelings going
on in your head I guess that would be both a dream and a nightmare
right?
Yeah, I often have dreams like that...
Someone call Guiness.
Someone call Guiness.
Drinks are on you, I'll settle for a Black and Tan.
Yeah, I often have dreams like that...
But is it a dream? A nightmare? Both? Let's not get distracted from the big question here.
Is a hot dog a sandwich?
Is cereal soup?
Is a hot dog a sandwich?
I'd say it's more like a canape or a meat eclair or a really weird
Is cereal soup?
Unequivocally yes. And while not all soup is cereal, it's acceptable to serve cream of mushroom soup for breakfast and don't let anybody tell you different. It's just little chunks of stuff floating in a dairy rich liquid so really what's the damn difference know what I mean?
the meat tube isn't fully between two pieces of bread/bun.
The hot dog is certainly sandwich *inspired* and even takes its name
from a sandwich related quote.
Unequivocally yes. And while not all soup is cereal, it's acceptable to serve cream of mushroom soup for breakfast and don't let anybody tell
you different.
echicken wrote to Nightfox <=-
Is a hot dog a sandwich?
I'd say it's more like a canape or a meat eclair or a really
weird open-faced sandwich. My only real beef with the "sandwich"
thing is that the meat tube isn't fully between two pieces of
bread/bun.
The hot dog is certainly sandwich *inspired* and even takes its
name from a sandwich related quote. When the Duke of Earl of
Sandwich picked up the first sandwich and took a bite he said
"Hot dog! That's what I'm fucking talking about! This sumbitch is
so easy to eat while I play cards!" True fact.
Is cereal soup?
Unequivocally yes. And while not all soup is cereal, it's
acceptable to serve cream of mushroom soup for breakfast and
don't let anybody tell you different. It's just little chunks of
stuff floating in a dairy rich liquid so really what's the damn
difference know what I mean?
IMHO, a 'hot dog sandwich' is two hot dogs, sliced length-wice, placed in between two slices of bread, along with whichever condiments the consumer
IMHO, a 'hot dog sandwich' is two hot dogs, sliced length-wice, placed in between two slices of bread, along with whichever condiments the consumer prefers. The 'original' hot dog is not a sandwich. It lacks a second unit (slice, bun) of bread.
It's also acceptable to eat cereal for dinner, if you're a lazy bachelor...I know this for fact. (o_-)
Unequivocally yes. And while not all soup is cereal, it's acceptable to serve cream of mushroom soup for breakfast and don't let anybody tell
you different. It's just little chunks of stuff floating in a dairy rich liquid so really what's the damn difference know what I mean?
IMHO, a 'hot dog sandwich' is two hot dogs, sliced length-wice, place between two slices of bread, along with whichever condiments the cons
That's actually a "bisected meat-tube sandwich" or, as some people call it, a "wiener sandwich". It's only really a hot dog if it's a wiener served atop a hot-dog bun and covered with mayonnaise.
IMHO, a 'hot dog sandwich' is two hot dogs, sliced length-wice, place between two slices of bread, along with whichever condiments the cons prefers. The 'original' hot dog is not a sandwich. It lacks a second (slice, bun) of bread.
But a hot dog does have bread on the top and bottom of the meat.
It's also acceptable to eat cereal for dinner, if you're a lazy bachelor...I know this for fact. (o_-)
Lazy, or efficient? If you are satisfied with cereal for dinner, then
how does that automatically make you "lazy"? ;)
McDoob wrote to Nightfox <=-
But a hot dog does have bread on the top and bottom of the meat.
Not two separate portions of bread. Same portion, split down the
middle. And before you say it, one does not use an entire loaf to
make a sandwich. A loaf of bread is many separate portions. A bun
is *one* portion.
So, you're saying [...]
I don't know why but the thought of it always repulsed me. Then someone pointed out that people put milk or cream into their coffee, and it's just dairy fat, so why not butter? I've still not tried it, but it did kind of make me look at it differently.
So, you're saying if I take one piece of bread, slap some egg salad on
the left side of it, and fold the right half over on the egg salad,
that isn't a sandwich?
So, you're saying if I take one piece of bread, slap some egg salad o the left side of it, and fold the right half over on the egg salad, that isn't a sandwich?
That's an egg-dog.
Apparently this is a very common practice in some parts of the world,
but I hadn't heard of it either until a few years ago. Haven't tried it and probably won't; I drink my coffee black, and I don't think butter would improve it.
Drinks are on you, I'll settle for a Black and Tan.
Drinks are on you, I'll settle for a Black and Tan.
You closet alcoholic :P
Are they real or not? What causes them as well?
echicken wrote to Nightfox <=-
What if it's like an erotic dream, but it's also spooky, like you're
doing the hokey pokey but in a haunted house and there are spooky
ghosts floating around going "BOO!" but you're also still enjoying the hokey pokey and then I dunno your arm falls off or something because
stuff like that happens in nightmares sometimes so now you got these spooky ghosts floating around while you're doing the hokey pokey and trying to enjoy yourself but you're also freaked out about your missing arm and then you look up and you realize that the haunted house is actually your high school math classroom you know how it's like that in dreams sometimes how like one place can be two different places and
anyway all your classmates are there and now you feel awkward and embarrassed and you're still worried about your missing arm and still trying to enjoy the hokeying and pokeying but the ghosts are still
going "BOO!" and freaking you out and you've got all of these
conflicting feelings going on in your head I guess that would be both a dream and a nightmare right?
The Millionaire wrote to All <=-
Is it possible to have a dream and a nightmare at the same time?
I wish I had not read the whole thing. Now I will have a nightmare about my arm falling off in class.
prefers. The 'original' hot dog is not a sandwich. It lacks a second unit (slice, bun) of bread.
But a hot dog does have bread on the top and bottom of the meat.
This reminds me of a few years ago when seemingly everyone was melting butter (or coconut oil, or both) into their coffee, I think they called
it "bulletproof coffee".
Gamgee wrote to echicken <=-
Meat Twinkie.
echicken wrote to McDoob <=-
That's actually a "bisected meat-tube sandwich" or, as some people call it, a "wiener sandwich". It's only really a hot dog if it's a wiener served atop a hot-dog bun and covered with mayonnaise.
Warpslide wrote to echicken <=-
This reminds me of a few years ago when seemingly everyone was melting butter (or coconut oil, or both) into their coffee, I think they called
it "bulletproof coffee".
I don't know why but the thought of it always repulsed me. Then someone pointed out that people put milk or cream into their coffee, and it's
just dairy fat, so why not butter? I've still not tried it, but it did kind of make me look at it differently.
Gamgee wrote to McDoob <=-
Not two separate portions of bread. Same portion, split down the
middle. And before you say it, one does not use an entire loaf to
make a sandwich. A loaf of bread is many separate portions. A bun
is *one* portion.
So, you're saying if I take one piece of bread, slap some egg salad on
the left side of it, and fold the right half over on the egg salad,
that isn't a sandwich?
echicken wrote to Gamgee <=-
That's an egg-dog.
prefers. The 'original' hot dog is not a sandwich. It lacks a second (slice, bun) of bread.
What happens when the hot dog bun separates? Is it then a sandwich?
Does it become two buns? Or just two parts of a single bun? If I cut a sandwich in half, does it become two sandwiches?
poindexter FORTRAN wrote to Gamgee <=-
Gamgee wrote to McDoob <=-
Not two separate portions of bread. Same portion, split down the
middle. And before you say it, one does not use an entire loaf to
make a sandwich. A loaf of bread is many separate portions. A bun
is *one* portion.
So, you're saying if I take one piece of bread, slap some egg salad on
the left side of it, and fold the right half over on the egg salad,
that isn't a sandwich?
If you take a piece of bread, give one end a twist, and connect
it to the other end, you have a mobius sandwich - a sandwich,
which by all intents and purposes, cannot exist.
You double the surface area available for jelly, but it makes one
hell of a mess eating it.
poindexter FORTRAN wrote to Gamgee <=-
Gamgee wrote to echicken <=-
Meat Twinkie.
I'll take "phrases that sound dirty but aren't for $200, Alex..."
poindexter FORTRAN wrote to echicken <=-
echicken wrote to Gamgee <=-
That's an egg-dog.
Just because of your comment, for lunch today, I'm going to take
a hot dog bun and fill it with egg salad.
Does it become two buns? Or just two parts of a single bun? If I cut sandwich in half, does it become two sandwiches?
Absolutely is 2 sandwiches.
Don't you remember the scene in Rain Man with the fish sticks?
Just because of your comment, for lunch today, I'm going to take
a hot dog bun and fill it with egg salad.
You can't fill something that has two open ends.
Does it become two buns? Or just two parts of a single bun? If
I cut sandwich in half, does it become two sandwiches?
Absolutely is 2 sandwiches.
Alright, lets follow that logic a bit further. If I were to cut a sandwich into a thousand pieces, would I have a thousand sandwiches? Or just crumbs? (o_O)
You can't fill something that has two open ends.
Nightfox wrote to Gamgee <=-
Just because of your comment, for lunch today, I'm going to take
a hot dog bun and fill it with egg salad.
You can't fill something that has two open ends.
It's bottomless.
StormTrooper wrote to Gamgee <=-
You can't fill something that has two open ends.
Hmm you could... you've just got to put stuff in faster than it
comes out...
Ga> So, you're saying [...]I thought that this was a bit amusing at first, but it's getting a bit tedious. Could you two either get a room or agree to co-exist nicely,
Whatever else you added, no. I said what I said, nothing else.
You sound like a soon-to-be-ex girlfriend when you say 'So, you're saying...'
For the record, I'd really like to break up with you.
I thought that this was a bit amusing at first, but it's getting a bit tedious. Could you two either get a room or agree to co-exist nicely, please? The tone here is starting to become rather Fidonettish thanks to the fact that the two of you dislike each other so intensely and loudly. We all have opinions and it's fair to air it, but this goes beyond that. We would all like to enjoy the hobby, having to keep score is not everybody's cuppa I'm sure. That is what Twitter and Fidonet is for.
I will try to ignore all messages from the other party, and provided he does the same, problem solved.
I will try to ignore all messages from the other party, and provided he the same, problem solved.
No, no conditions. Just ignore him, and block him if you can’t manage it.
The rest of us are well beyond sick of it.
Nightfox wrote to McDoob <=-
Gamgee wrote to Nightfox <=-
Nightfox wrote to Gamgee <=-
Just because of your comment, for lunch today, I'm going to take
a hot dog bun and fill it with egg salad.
You can't fill something that has two open ends.
It's bottomless.
And topless! ;-)
Gamgee wrote to StormTrooper <=-
Hehe, that's true I guess. Even egg salad cannot ignore the laws of physics.
Nightfox wrote to McDoob <=-
... A journey of a thousand sandwiches begins with a single cut.
poindexter FORTRAN wrote to Gamgee <=-
Just because of your comment, for lunch today, I'm going to take
a hot dog bun and fill it with egg salad.
You can't fill something that has two open ends.
It's bottomless.
And topless! ;-)
I like to huff bread crumbs and follow it with a spoonful of
Goober Peanut Butter/Jelly. Is that a sandwich?
poindexter FORTRAN wrote to Gamgee <=-
Gamgee wrote to StormTrooper <=-
Hehe, that's true I guess. Even egg salad cannot ignore the laws of physics.
Someone needs to invent non-newtonian egg salad. Add a little
corn starch, perhaps?
"The swift blade penetrates the salad."
Someone needs to invent non-newtonian egg salad. Add a little corn
starch, perhaps?
Gamgee wrote to poindexter FORTRAN <=-
"The swift blade penetrates the salad."
Hehe, sounds vaguely familiar. Cutthroat Mafia reference, sort of?
StormTrooper wrote to poindexter FORTRAN <=-
Someone needs to invent non-newtonian egg salad. Add a little corn
starch, perhaps?
One guesses you're looking for a thixotopic medium.. thin when agitates and thickens on sitting.
"The swift blade penetrates the salad."
Hehe, sounds vaguely familiar. Cutthroat Mafia reference, sort of?
2twisty wrote to Gamgee <=-
"The swift blade penetrates the salad."
Hehe, sounds vaguely familiar. Cutthroat Mafia reference, sort of?
Dune. "The slow blade penetrates the shield."
I wonder how many messages there are in this thread?
I wonder how many messages there are in this thread?
The Millionaire wrote to All <=-
I wonder how many messages there are in this thread?
The Millionaire wrote to All <=-
I wonder how many messages there are in this thread?
Since I cared enough, I figured I would do the math. Including this one, there are 337 messages within this thread.
Unfortunately, a significant portion of those messages were of the poo-flinging variety. I can see why others might not want that pointed out, which is exactly why I am doing so.
We get it, bud. Even the Anti-TM Fan Club has to admit, some of your conversation starters actually start conversations. Don't be a sore winner about it, now.
McDoob
SysOp, PiBBS
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Honest question, can someone explain to me the drama unfolding in this threa I'm new to this BBS thing and I think I might be missing some aspect of BBS etiquette?
Honest question, can someone explain to me the drama unfolding in this thread? I'm new to this BBS thing and I think I might be missing some aspect of BBS etiquette?
Honest question, can someone explain to me the drama unfolding in
this thread? I'm new to this BBS thing and I think I might be
missing some aspect of BBS etiquette?
There is one person that asks one-liner questions to get converation started, usually just random thoughts. They are in frequency from once per week to three per day.
Three people hate the questions and probably the person because they think they're somehow above it all. A few people are on the fence, and generally fine with it if the frequency is closer to every three days. Others are fine no matter what and don't care.
Then you end up with the three factions arguing over it when the angry people complain and are nasty to the questioner. Questioner gets feelings hurt and says they'll just go away. Others rally in support. Questioner feels emboldened.
Honest question, can someone explain to me the drama unfolding in this thread? I'm new to this BBS thing and I think I might be missing some aspect of BBS etiquette?
In addition, now the questioner says he wonders how many posts there are in the thred he created. Seems he wants to gloat about creating a
thread that many people have responded to, which seems a little weird.
BTW, when I try to reply to a specific person it keeps just sending it to "All". Can anyone tell me what I'm doing wrong?
Ah, OK. Thanks for the info. Sounds like some petty scene drama that I don't want to get involved in :P. So, I'll see y'all in another thread!
BTW, when I try to reply to a specific person it keeps just sending it to "All". Can anyone tell me what I'm doing wrong?
Then you end up with the three factions arguing over it when the angry people complain and are nasty to the questioner. Questioner gets feelings hurt and says they'll just go away. Others rally in support. Questioner feels emboldened.
Rinse, repeat.
I regret responding to him, since it makes me part of the problem, but my hope was to stave off another round of sniping about the questions. Oh well. I'll take this as my periodic reminder to ignore stupid shit and focus on fun.
Many of us are part of the problem. Hopefully some people see how the bickering is a turnoff to new people.
Many of us are part of the problem. Hopefully some people see how the bickering is a turnoff to new people.
- Andre
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I will try to ignore all messages from the other party, and provided he does >> the same, problem solved.
No, no conditions. Just ignore him, and block him if you can’t manage it.
So, you're saying if I take one piece of bread, slap some egg salad
That's an egg-dog.
I ran out of cream once...and...no...black coffee is actually better.
Pridurki pokhozhi na mneniya. U kazhdogo yest'.
Unfortunately, a significant portion of those messages were of the poo-flinging variety. I can see why others might not want that pointed
It took me a while to suss out how to block, then I saw that Mystic has
a twit filter built in. This seemed like a good opportunity to test it
That's an egg-dog.
Better known as a foldy or foldie depending on your university, usually associated with spreads.
Und deine grossmutter auftragen wehrmachten schuhe!
extra coating on the tongue so you can't taste how bad coffee really is?
"If you have any poo, fling it now!"
So we got a new kitty and hes super fluffy. This problem with this is
he get his own poop stuck on him. So Yester day I'm working (I work
I've never heard of a foldy/foldie.
I've never heard of a foldy/foldie.
You've been missing out...
Ah, the joy of having floofs.
I have a pomeranian, so I feel your pain. Although, she doesn't jump on my keyboard. She just scootches her butt across the floor like a burnt seinna crayola.
"If you have any poo, fling it now!"
Personally, I prefer a higher-tech approach. "Flinging" is for chimpanzees. I prefer to stand behind the fan and gently lob it in.
You're getting horribly prolific with these 1 line questions... while its possible to ignore, its still irritating.. How about winding it back a tad
Are they real or not? What causes them as well?
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