• Nightmares / Dreams

    From The Millionaire@21:1/183 to All on Thu May 5 14:07:36 2022
    Looks like this topic is slowing down slowly. :-(

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  • From Nightfox@21:1/137 to The Millionaire on Thu May 5 16:29:12 2022
    Re: Nightmares / Dreams
    By: The Millionaire to All on Thu May 05 2022 02:07 pm

    Looks like this topic is slowing down slowly. :-(

    That tends to happen with threads over time.

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  • From Gamgee@21:2/138 to The Millionaire on Thu May 5 21:27:00 2022
    The Millionaire wrote to All <=-

    Looks like this topic is slowing down slowly. :-(

    Yes, finally. Isn't that to be expected?



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  • From StormTrooper@21:2/108 to The Millionaire on Fri May 6 02:49:08 2022
    Looks like this topic is slowing down slowly. :-(

    It's worse than that, it's dead Jim.

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  • From Spectre@21:3/101 to StormTrooper on Fri May 6 14:40:00 2022
    Looks like this topic is slowing down slowly. :-(

    It's worse than that, it's dead Jim.

    As "they" say, "everything that has a beginning has an ending"..

    Spec


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  • From McDoob@21:4/135 to StormTrooper on Tue May 10 03:45:04 2022
    Looks like this topic is slowing down slowly. :-(

    It's worse than that, it's dead Jim.

    Damn it, Jim, I'm a nerd, not a doctor! (^_^)

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  • From StormTrooper@21:2/108 to McDoob on Thu May 12 00:19:08 2022
    Damn it, Jim, I'm a nerd, not a doctor! (^_^)


    A nerdy doctor?

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  • From Spectre@21:3/101 to StormTrooper on Sun Mar 27 21:36:00 2022
    possible to ignore, its still irritating.. How about winding it back a tad

    Hear, hear!

    Spec


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  • From Gamgee@21:2/138 to Exodus on Sun Mar 27 09:20:00 2022
    Exodus wrote to Stormtrooper <=-

    You're getting horribly prolific with these 1 line questions... while its possible to ignore, its still irritating.. How about winding it back a tad

    Oh ... better not say anything. Someone's gonna yell like they
    did to me when I told him to bite off. ;)

    And as they did to me, when I suggested renaming the echo.

    It seems TM has his own set of cheerleaders.



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  • From Andre@21:3/117 to Gamgee on Sun Mar 27 09:54:20 2022
    It seems TM has his own set of cheerleaders.

    You're mistaking peoples' intentions. What you all see as TM cheerleaders is actually people not liking the negativity and complaining.

    It's almost as if every BBS didn't come with sysop twitlists and personal block lists.


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  • From Blue White@21:4/134 to StormTrooper on Sun Mar 27 09:35:56 2022
    StormTrooper wrote to The Millionaire <=-

    You're getting horribly prolific with these 1 line questions... while
    its possible to ignore, its still irritating.. How about winding it
    back a tad

    I think he is somewhat restricted in his movements, gets bored, and is
    trying to seed some responses to read. I thought his constant posting was annoying at first but am more understanding now that I think I know where
    it comes from.

    It would be nice if he grouped some related questions together, though. I actually think that might make people more likely to respond, and would probably lead to more discussion for him to read.

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  • From Blue White@21:4/134 to The Millionaire on Sun Mar 27 09:37:44 2022
    The Millionaire wrote to All <=-

    Are they real or not? What causes them as well?

    They are real in the sense that you dreamed them. When I was younger, in
    my teens and early 20's, it seems like I remembered them a lot more than I
    do now. Sometimes now, it is only bits and pieces.

    Some of them I do remember seem to be related to something I saw on the
    news, like the recent New Orleans tornado, or related to something going on
    at work or in real life. Some of them are completely unrealistic, while in others I would almost swear my body is actually feeling the sensations from
    the dream.

    I have had a few in my lifetime where, when I wake up, I realize I wish I
    could remember them because they seemed to solve a problem. Others I seem
    to wake up just as I am about to solve a problem. Sometimes I am very
    aware that it is a dream and sometimes not.

    Many of my dreams are about food, include tornados, or are that I am back
    in school and I have either forgot to do my homework or something else that
    I need that day. Sometimes it is that I have forgotten to go to class for weeks/months.

    I used to have dreams where I go to work and work a whole day, only to wake
    up and realize I have not and that I have to go in. I used to call those nightmares. :) Those seemed to stop when COVID hit and we got put on work-from-home 4 days a week.

    If you are really interested, you might want to check out the Braincraft youtube channel. The young lady that runs it has done a few episodes about dreaming, sleep in general, and also anxiety (which is another topic you
    have brought up recently). Her presentations are very informative.



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  • From poindexter FORTRAN@21:4/122 to StormTrooper on Sun Mar 27 07:53:00 2022
    StormTrooper wrote to The Millionaire <=-

    You're getting horribly prolific with these 1 line questions... while
    its possible to ignore, its still irritating.. How about winding it
    back a tad

    I've been watching Letterkenny, anyone else?

    I saw the latest one-liner and heard Wayne's voice in my head saying "You could take that down about 20, 25 per cent..."




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  • From poindexter FORTRAN@21:4/122 to boraxman on Sun Mar 27 07:54:00 2022
    boraxman wrote to The Millionaire <=-

    By the way, I find my dreams more vivid, or more memorable the night or two after having had a poor nights sleep.

    When I took Cipro, I had the most vivid dreams - they even include vivid dreams in the "possible side effects" section of the insert.

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  • From Exodus@21:1/176 to Gamgee on Sun Mar 27 11:29:06 2022
    And as they did to me, when I suggested renaming the echo.

    It seems TM has his own set of cheerleaders.

    Come over to MetroNet. Been around since 1994.

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  • From Warpslide@21:3/110 to Andre on Sun Mar 27 12:30:44 2022
    On 27 Mar 2022, Andre said the following...

    You're mistaking peoples' intentions. What you all see as TM
    cheerleaders is actually people not liking the negativity and
    complaining.

    +1


    Jay

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  • From Warpslide@21:3/110 to Blue White on Sun Mar 27 13:09:46 2022
    On 27 Mar 2022, Blue White said the following...

    I think he is somewhat restricted in his movements, gets bored, and is trying to seed some responses to read. I thought his constant posting
    was annoying at first but am more understanding now that I think I know where it comes from.

    It would be nice if he grouped some related questions together, though.
    I actually think that might make people more likely to respond, and would probably lead to more discussion for him to read.

    Avon once upon a time (in MSGID 61f96bfc) mentioned:

    I have no issue either, I'd just ask that instead of multiple topic starters posted in a single day we try to stretch some out over
    different days. Doing so gives each topic / thread a chance to get
    started (or not).

    So yeah, maybe if TM could limit his questions to once per day, perhaps there'd be fewer comments from the peanut gallery.


    Jay

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  • From Gamgee@21:2/138 to Exodus on Sun Mar 27 12:52:00 2022
    Exodus wrote to Gamgee <=-

    And as they did to me, when I suggested renaming the echo.
    It seems TM has his own set of cheerleaders.

    Come over to MetroNet. Been around since 1994.

    I think I'll do that. Been wanting to replace the defunct Sci-Net with something else, and that was on my list of possibles. Busy schedule for
    the next couple of weeks, but it's on my written list of things to do.
    Thanks for the reminder.


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  • From Gamgee@21:2/138 to Andre on Sun Mar 27 13:00:00 2022
    Andre wrote to Gamgee <=-

    It seems TM has his own set of cheerleaders.

    You're mistaking peoples' intentions. What you all see as TM
    cheerleaders is actually people not liking the negativity and
    complaining.

    It's a lot easier to breathe down here on the ground. Come down off of
    that high horse you're on, and you'll see what I mean.

    Let me ask you a serious question:

    Do you think those questions that we're talking about here actually add
    any useful content? I mean, they're basically
    5th-graders-on-the-playground type things. "What's your favorite
    color?" What's your favorite pizza? Have you ever been dizzy? Do you
    ever have dreams or nightmares? Seriously? Yes, they generate inane
    replies and folks think that's GREAT, because it increases "involvement"
    and "expands the network", and all that.

    It really doesn't, and you know it. Forget the political correctness,
    and call it what it is. This post is not meant to be negative or
    complaining, just asking serious questions about something that confuses
    me (i.e. why people find that stuff "OK").



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  • From Andre@21:3/117 to Gamgee on Sun Mar 27 13:48:12 2022
    It's a lot easier to breathe down here on the ground. Come down off of
    that high horse you're on, and you'll see what I mean.

    What high horse? People are sick of the complaining from a few of you, and I am too. There is nothing stopping you from twitlisting TM.

    Do you think those questions that we're talking about here actually add
    any useful content?
    Yes, they generate inane
    replies and folks think that's GREAT, because it increases "involvement"
    and "expands the network", and all that.

    Yes I do. Are they thought provoking? No, not usually. Does every conversation have to be?

    His short questions generate a huge amount of conversation and community. No, they’re not figuring out how to solve world hunger. But people are enjoying themselves, and it’s simply not your place to shut that down.

    It really doesn't, and you know it. Forget the political correctness,
    and call it what it is.

    Nothing politically correct about it. Being kind is a virtue, and being generally positive and encouraging are pretty great qualities too. It’s certainly not my nature, but I know that they’re good qualities.

    The net result is that TM is contributing to this community. If you and the few others don’t like him or the conversations he starts, then block him or drop the echo.

    Or do whatever you want. But don’t be surprised when the community tells you to shut it. There are more people engaging with him than the few of you that wish he wasn’t here.


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  • From Warpslide@21:3/110 to Gamgee on Sun Mar 27 15:51:04 2022
    On 27 Mar 2022, Gamgee said the following...

    Do you think those questions that we're talking about here actually add any useful content?

    Is it your place to decide what's useful and what isn't here in FSX_GEN?

    Personally I don't mind TM's questions, though I'll admit it can be a little much when he posts several questions in a row.

    Yes, they generate inane replies and folks think that's GREAT, because
    it increases "involvement" and "expands the network", and all that.

    Yes, exactly, we're have a general conversation in FSX_GEN which is the echo to have general conversations in. We're not here to discuss politics or religion or other "deep" topics of conversion, in fact some of us are here to get away from such things.

    This post is not meant to be negative or complaining, just asking serious questions about something that confuses me (i.e. why people find that stuff "OK").

    Why does it confuse you? We're all over here having a pleasant conversation initiated by a member of this community who asked a question. You're over there seemingly saying that this individual shouldn't be allowed to ask questions.

    As others have pointed out, if you don't like his posts add him to a twit filter or simply press the next key.


    Jay

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  • From The Millionaire@21:1/183 to All on Sun Mar 27 12:59:12 2022
    Guess it's time for me to leave then since I'm being an annoyance to some people here. :-(

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  • From Andre@21:3/117 to The Millionaire on Sun Mar 27 15:07:20 2022
    Guess it's time for me to leave then since I'm being an annoyance to some people here. :-(


    You have more supporters than detractors. Seems to me that you should stay, but if it's affecting you negatively then you need to do what's right for you.

    On the other hand, you leaving would turn a few people into pariahs. I'd be kind of fun to watch them reap what they sow.


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  • From Utopian Galt@21:4/108 to The Millionaire on Sun Mar 27 13:12:20 2022
    BY: The Millionaire(21:1/183)


    Guess it's time for me to leave then since I'm being an annoyance to
    some
    people here. :-(
    Take a small break, but you are welcome here.


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  • From The Millionaire@21:1/183 to Andre on Sun Mar 27 13:21:52 2022
    Awwww! Thanks for the warm and generous comments that you have provided here. I appreciate it a lot. :-)

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  • From Warpslide@21:3/110 to The Millionaire on Sun Mar 27 16:29:32 2022
    On 27 Mar 2022, The Millionaire said the following...

    Guess it's time for me to leave then since I'm being an annoyance to some people here. :-(

    I hope you stick around. You have more friends here than you do people who are annoyed by you.

    They're nothing more than schoolyard bullies, just ignore them and they'll move on to someone else.


    Jay

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  • From Exodus@21:1/176 to Gamgee on Sun Mar 27 16:23:12 2022
    I think I'll do that. Been wanting to replace the defunct Sci-Net with something else, and that was on my list of possibles. Busy schedule for the next couple of weeks, but it's on my written list of things to do. Thanks for the reminder.

    http://www.rgbbs.info

    For an app. Or telnet over to ttb.rgbbs.info and fill it out online.

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  • From Exodus@21:1/176 to Gamgee on Sun Mar 27 16:24:42 2022

    It's a lot easier to breathe down here on the ground. Come down off of that high horse you're on, and you'll see what I mean.

    ahhahaha

    color?" What's your favorite pizza? Have you ever been dizzy? Do you
    ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

    AGAIN ... HAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHHA

    It really doesn't, and you know it. Forget the political correctness,
    and call it what it is. This post is not meant to be negative or complaining, just asking serious questions about something that confuses
    me (i.e. why people find that stuff "OK").

    Me as well.

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  • From The Millionaire@21:1/183 to Warpslide on Sun Mar 27 13:33:46 2022

    On 27 Mar 2022, The Millionaire said the following...

    I hope you stick around. You have more friends here than you do people who are annoyed by you.

    They're nothing more than schoolyard bullies, just ignore them and they'll move on to someone else.

    Jay

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    Ok I will then. You're absolutely right there in your comments. :-)

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  • From Arelor@21:2/138 to Andre on Sun Mar 27 16:07:44 2022
    Re: Re: Nightmares / Dreams
    By: Andre to Gamgee on Sun Mar 27 2022 01:48 pm

    What high horse? People are sick of the complaining from a few of you, and I too. There is nothing stopping you from twitlisting TM.

    Yes I do. Are they thought provoking? No, not usually. Does every conversati have to be?

    His short questions generate a huge amount of conversation and community. No they’re not figuring out how to solve world hunger. But people are enjoyin themselves, and it’s simply not your place to shut that down.


    Twitlisting is intended for filtering out harmful people rather than just people who is not contributing much. If I was an Operator I would not twitlist TM... but I would certainly wonder what is the point of his contributions.

    I certainly believe his contributions affect the signal/noise ratio for the worse rather than for the better.

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  • From McDoob@21:4/135 to Gamgee on Sun Mar 27 17:09:52 2022
    You're getting horribly prolific with these 1 line questions... while possible to ignore, its still irritating.. How about winding it back a

    Oh ... better not say anything. Someone's gonna yell like they
    did to me when I told him to bite off. ;)

    And as they did to me, when I suggested renaming the echo.

    There has been no 'yelling' that I'm aware of. Some sarcasm on my part, to be sure, but not yelling.

    It seems TM has his own set of cheerleaders.

    He certainly has a pair of hecklers...(o_O)

    McDoob
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  • From McDoob@21:4/135 to Andre on Sun Mar 27 17:11:16 2022
    It seems TM has his own set of cheerleaders.

    You're mistaking peoples' intentions. What you all see as TM
    cheerleaders is actually people not liking the negativity and
    complaining.

    Yup, exactly this.

    McDoob
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  • From McDoob@21:4/135 to Andre on Sun Mar 27 17:17:54 2022
    What high horse? People are sick of the complaining from a few of you,
    and I am too. There is nothing stopping you from twitlisting TM.
    [...]
    Or do whatever you want. But don't be surprised when the community
    tells you to shut it. There are more people engaging with him than the
    few of you that wish he wasn't here.


    Is it really so hard to understand that the community prefers to keep the vitriol and negativity out of fsxNet? ~\(o_O)/~

    McDoob
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  • From McDoob@21:4/135 to Andre on Sun Mar 27 17:22:06 2022
    Guess it's time for me to leave then since I'm being an annoyance to people here. :-(


    You have more supporters than detractors. Seems to me that you should stay, but if it's affecting you negatively then you need to do what's right for you.

    On the other hand, you leaving would turn a few people into pariahs. I'd be kind of fun to watch them reap what they sow.

    Fun? (o_O)

    Too many people are being pushed out of the overall BBSing community as it is. I certainly wouldn't enjoy the back-slapping and camraderie between two bullies over a job well done.

    McDoob
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  • From StormTrooper@21:2/108 to Exodus on Mon Mar 28 08:50:46 2022
    Oh ... better not say anything. Someone's gonna yell like they did to
    me when I told him to bite off. ;)

    I don't know, there's something to be said for saying your piece even if its not popular. If nothing is said nothing will change...my issue about about volume rather than the inherently inane question and style.

    ST

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  • From StormTrooper@21:2/108 to Blue White on Mon Mar 28 08:52:40 2022
    It would be nice if he grouped some related questions together, though.
    I actually think that might make people more likely to respond, and would probably lead to more discussion for him to read.

    That would help as would a more expanded question/experience style.

    ST

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  • From StormTrooper@21:2/108 to poindexter FORTRAN on Mon Mar 28 08:53:42 2022
    I've been watching Letterkenny, anyone else?

    I saw the latest one-liner and heard Wayne's voice in my head saying
    "You could take that down about 20, 25 per cent..."

    None of that means anything to me... I do not believe my initial comment was over the top though.

    ST

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  • From Spectre@21:3/101 to Blue White on Mon Mar 28 18:18:00 2022
    I think he is somewhat restricted in his movements, gets bored, and is trying to seed some responses to read. I thought his constant posting was annoying at first but am more understanding now that I think I know where it comes from.

    Ponder, my mileage varies... I think its to many at present... at least let
    a topic play out before dumping another 4 or 5 in there... he needs to
    develop a little consideration also.. as much as any of us need to develop
    some tolerance.

    Spec


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  • From Spectre@21:3/101 to poindexter FORTRAN on Mon Mar 28 18:26:00 2022
    When I took Cipro, I had the most vivid dreams - they even include vivid dreams in the "possible side effects" section of the insert.

    Tramadol is meant to do the same, never saw any effect myself, but have
    spoken to others that couldn't cope with that very effect.

    PAraphrasing BlueWhite's comment about either not dreaming or remembering
    them as you used to. Apparently its possible to train your brain to remember more of them. Something about telling yourself before you sleep that you're going to remember them, may take a little time but appears to work to some degree.

    Spec


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  • From Spectre@21:3/101 to Warpslide on Mon Mar 28 18:29:00 2022
    You're mistaking peoples' intentions. What you all see as TM cheerleaders is actually people not liking the negativity and complaining.

    +1

    Just remember, the squeeky wheel gets the kick....

    Spec


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  • From Spectre@21:3/101 to Warpslide on Mon Mar 28 18:37:00 2022
    Personally I don't mind TM's questions, though I'll admit it can be a little much when he posts several questions in a row.


    This is the boat I'm in... on their own in moderation, don't care, can ignore... when they become constant its a bit much.... sure have a go, anyone can, but that doesn't mean start posting them continuously.

    Spec


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  • From Spectre@21:3/101 to The Millionaire on Mon Mar 28 18:39:00 2022
    Guess it's time for me to leave then since I'm being an annoyance to some people here. :-(

    That seems to be your normal MO... however its not an all or nothing proposition, just ease up a bit on the one liners and you'll be good to go.

    Spec


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  • From boraxman@21:1/101 to Blue White on Mon Mar 28 22:40:16 2022
    Blue White wrote to The Millionaire <=-

    The Millionaire wrote to All <=-

    Are they real or not? What causes them as well?

    They are real in the sense that you dreamed them. When I was younger,
    in my teens and early 20's, it seems like I remembered them a lot more than I do now. Sometimes now, it is only bits and pieces.

    Some of them I do remember seem to be related to something I saw on the news, like the recent New Orleans tornado, or related to something
    going on at work or in real life. Some of them are completely unrealistic, while in others I would almost swear my body is actually feeling the sensations from the dream.

    I have had a few in my lifetime where, when I wake up, I realize I wish
    I could remember them because they seemed to solve a problem. Others I seem to wake up just as I am about to solve a problem. Sometimes I am very aware that it is a dream and sometimes not.

    Many of my dreams are about food, include tornados, or are that I am
    back in school and I have either forgot to do my homework or something else that I need that day. Sometimes it is that I have forgotten to go
    to class for weeks/months.

    I used to have dreams where I go to work and work a whole day, only to wake up and realize I have not and that I have to go in. I used to
    call those nightmares. :) Those seemed to stop when COVID hit and we
    got put on work-from-home 4 days a week.

    If you are really interested, you might want to check out the
    Braincraft youtube channel. The young lady that runs it has done a few episodes about dreaming, sleep in general, and also anxiety (which is another topic you have brought up recently). Her presentations are
    very informative.


    I find I don't remember then quite as much, but then again, I don't remember many from my youth, though there are some dreams I had when I was 4 or 5 I still very vividly remember. There are some from me 20's, 30's and 40's I can still recall, but with dreams, our memory isn't fully engages which is why we forget.

    One thing I have noticed, is that in my dreams, red rarely appears as a colour.
    I see blue, green, maybe brown, black, but not really red. The only red I remember is a ruddy dark red for blood, and a ruddy dark red brick wall, and one with a blue skinned person with red eyes. Apparently, colour fades from our dreams as we age, but looking back, I don't think red was ever prominent, not even in my teen or childhood years.

    Do people dream in black and white, a partial or full colour spectrum?

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  • From boraxman@21:1/101 to Gamgee on Mon Mar 28 22:40:16 2022
    Gamgee wrote to Andre <=-

    Andre wrote to Gamgee <=-

    It seems TM has his own set of cheerleaders.

    You're mistaking peoples' intentions. What you all see as TM
    cheerleaders is actually people not liking the negativity and
    complaining.

    It's a lot easier to breathe down here on the ground. Come down off of that high horse you're on, and you'll see what I mean.

    Let me ask you a serious question:

    Do you think those questions that we're talking about here actually add any useful content? I mean, they're basically 5th-graders-on-the-playground type things. "What's your favorite
    color?" What's your favorite pizza? Have you ever been dizzy? Do you ever have dreams or nightmares? Seriously? Yes, they generate inane replies and folks think that's GREAT, because it increases
    "involvement" and "expands the network", and all that.

    It really doesn't, and you know it. Forget the political correctness,
    and call it what it is. This post is not meant to be negative or complaining, just asking serious questions about something that
    confuses me (i.e. why people find that stuff "OK").


    I'm not being facetious, this is a genuine question, but what should people start posts about? I do agree the frequency of these questions is higher than desirable, but every now and then they are good as topics for conversations.

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  • From boraxman@21:1/101 to The Millionaire on Mon Mar 28 22:40:16 2022
    The Millionaire wrote to Warpslide <=-


    On 27 Mar 2022, The Millionaire said the following...

    I hope you stick around. You have more friends here than you do people who are annoyed by you.

    They're nothing more than schoolyard bullies, just ignore them and they'll move on to someone else.

    Jay

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    Ok I will then. You're absolutely right there in your comments. :-)

    Stick around. I don't mind your questions, but maybe you could space them out a little more?


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  • From Spectre@21:3/101 to boraxman on Mon Mar 28 21:37:00 2022
    Do people dream in black and white, a partial or full colour spectrum?

    I suspect mine are for the most part monochromatic. Reduced colours would
    seem to make sense, after all its not your eyes doing the dreaming, and
    you're brain is inserting what it feels is important.

    The oddest ones I've had, are where I dream that I'm dreaming... and I've managed that down 2 levels before. This doesn't happen very often though, I think I could count those instances on one hand.

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  • From Arelor@21:2/138 to boraxman on Mon Mar 28 07:10:44 2022
    Re: Re: Nightmares / Dreams
    By: boraxman to Gamgee on Mon Mar 28 2022 10:40 pm

    I'm not being facetious, this is a genuine question, but what should people start
    posts about? I do agree the frequency of these questions is higher than desirable,
    but every now and then they are good as topics for conversations.


    I say horses. People should start conversations about concerns they have about horses,
    horse education, and horse gear.

    A current concern of mine is that one of my mares always puts her head into bushes and
    ends up getting a lot of twigs entangled in her mane. Her mane eventually gets messed
    up with knots. Every now and then I have to trim her mane off to limit the reach of
    this mess but it saddens me because she has a beautiful mane otherwise.

    I don't think removing bushes and other plants is a good option because she loves them
    - and it is also a bit impractical anyway. I have been thinking in braiding her mane.
    She would look very posh as a result but maybe it wwould be more comfortable for her.

    Decisions, decisions...

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  • From Nightfox@21:1/137 to Andre on Mon Mar 28 11:14:24 2022
    Re: Re: Nightmares / Dreams
    By: Andre to Gamgee on Sun Mar 27 2022 01:48 pm

    The net result is that TM is contributing to this community. If you and the few others don’t like him or the conversations he starts, then block him or drop the echo.

    Yeah, I don't really understand getting so annoyed about someone posting those types of questions. He's getting responses, and if someone isn't interested in it, those discussions can be skipped. It's nothing worth getting all frustrated about, and I don't think we really need the negativity.

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  • From Nightfox@21:1/137 to Arelor on Mon Mar 28 11:27:44 2022
    Re: Re: Nightmares / Dreams
    By: Arelor to Andre on Sun Mar 27 2022 04:07 pm

    Twitlisting is intended for filtering out harmful people rather than just people who is not contributing much. If I was an Operator I would not twitlist TM... but I would certainly wonder what is the point of his contributions.

    I certainly believe his contributions affect the signal/noise ratio for the worse rather than for the better.

    I think that's due to some peoples' ractions to his questions, which is not TM's fault. Everyone has different things they might watn to talk about, and I don't really think it's worth getting annoyed by what some people want to talk about. When people start to make someone feel bad to the point of wanting to leave, when they didn't do antying harmful, it starts to feel like (as another said) schoolyard bullying. We're all adults, and I don't really like the negativity of people resorting to middle school bullying type behavior.

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  • From Arelor@21:2/138 to Nightfox on Mon Mar 28 16:45:12 2022
    Re: Re: Nightmares / Dreams
    By: Nightfox to Arelor on Mon Mar 28 2022 11:27 am

    Re: Re: Nightmares / Dreams
    By: Arelor to Andre on Sun Mar 27 2022 04:07 pm

    Twitlisting is intended for filtering out harmful people rather than just peop
    who is not contributing much. If I was an Operator I would not twitlist TM...
    I would certainly wonder what is the point of his contributions.

    I certainly believe his contributions affect the signal/noise ratio for the wo
    rather than for the better.

    I think that's due to some peoples' ractions to his questions, which is not TM's
    fault. Everyone has different things they might watn to talk about, and I don't
    really think it's worth getting annoyed by what some people want to talk about. Wh
    people start to make someone feel bad to the point of wanting to leave, when they
    didn't do antying harmful, it starts to feel like (as another said) schoolyard
    bullying. We're all adults, and I don't really like the negativity of people
    resorting to middle school bullying type behavior.

    Nightfox

    I think that callying it bullying is a step too far.

    Honestly, I find not much issue with TM's postings but I totally understand if somebody gets a bit frustrated at times.

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  • From Spectre@21:3/101 to Arelor on Tue Mar 29 06:57:00 2022
    A current concern of mine is that one of my mares always puts her head into bushes and ends up getting a lot of twigs entangled in her mane.
    I don't think removing bushes and other plants is a good option because she loves them - and it is also a bit impractical anyway. I have been thinking in braiding her mane. She would look very posh as a result

    I assume she's eating the bushes.. have you considered planting some other shrubbery so that there's an alternative to the bushes to nibble on? Other
    than grass that is. Alternatively try giving her a waxing :P

    Spec


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  • From Spectre@21:3/101 to Andre on Tue Mar 29 07:15:00 2022
    The net result is that TM is contributing to this community. If you and the few others don’t like him or the conversations he starts,
    then block him or drop the echo.

    Those are pretty non options... Not everyone is going to have the ability to block anyone, and if drop the echo you might as well be leaving home.

    For some its more a volumetric issue rather than anything else, or SNR
    problem as previously noted. It gets to the point you're going to be
    skipping more than you're reading, then it becomes hunt the thimble for
    things that you might be able to add a "life changing" comment too.

    There is a place for what he's got, sometimes it'd just be as well off in trivia, alternatively just cut the frequency back a bit..

    Spec


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  • From Arelor@21:2/138 to Spectre on Mon Mar 28 18:30:44 2022
    Re: Re: Nightmares / Dreams
    By: Spectre to Arelor on Tue Mar 29 2022 06:57 am

    A current concern of mine is that one of my mares always puts her head into
    bushes and ends up getting a lot of twigs entangled in her mane.
    I don't think removing bushes and other plants is a good option because she lo
    them - and it is also a bit impractical anyway. I have been thinking in braidi
    her mane. She would look very posh as a result

    I assume she's eating the bushes.. have you considered planting some other shrubber
    so that there's an alternative to the bushes to nibble on? Other
    than grass that is. Alternatively try giving her a waxing :P

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    Oh, she eats EVERYTHING. There is usually plenty of plants for her to eat, but sometimes she will stick her head into the bush to grab some plant that is behind it.

    There is also the issue that every good tasting plant in the yard will eventually be
    eated to 2 milimeters length. Once they finish the best tasting ones they move on to
    the next ones.

    I love their hair sooooooo much. It is so soft and cuddly. When they ask me for pats
    they always end up grabbing me with a pseudo-huging gesture so I end up cuddlying my
    face against their fur. Hair is sacred.

    "The gods bestowed manes on the horses for beauty" - Xenophon in The Art of Horsemanship.

    Btw, something I have tried recently is giving them a fly mask, even if there are no
    flies. It greatly reduces the ammount of messup caused by bushes. Maybe I should
    invest in some anti-fly covering for the neck too.

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  • From Spectre@21:3/101 to Arelor on Tue Mar 29 12:30:00 2022
    Oh, she eats EVERYTHING. There is usually plenty of plants for her to eat, but sometimes she will stick her head into the bush to grab some
    plant that is behind it.

    I used to keep poultry at one stage, when there was a backyard... the could demolish anything you put in the chook run. What I ended up doing, was
    having a few sets of pots, once they grew enough you'd put them in until
    they were pretty much gone, and then rotate the next set in. It was also
    worth trying different plants from time to time :) Sometimes a new plant
    would last weeks without being molested and then overnight they'd demolish
    it. Mebbe something similar might work for your wee beasties.

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  • From StormTrooper@21:2/108 to Arelor on Tue Mar 29 04:17:20 2022
    horse education, and horse gear.

    Yeah my horse has a degree in psychology :P

    ST

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  • From Arelor@21:2/138 to Spectre on Tue Mar 29 02:27:26 2022
    Re: Re: Nightmares / Dreams
    By: Spectre to Arelor on Tue Mar 29 2022 12:30 pm

    Oh, she eats EVERYTHING. There is usually plenty of plants for her to eat, but sometimes she will
    stick her head into the bush to grab some
    plant that is behind it.

    I used to keep poultry at one stage, when there was a backyard... the could demolish anything you put
    the chook run. What I ended up doing, was
    having a few sets of pots, once they grew enough you'd put them in until they were pretty much gone, and then rotate the next set in. It was also worth trying different plants from time to time :) Sometimes a new plant would last weeks without being molested and then overnight they'd demolish it. Mebbe something similar might work for your wee beasties.

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    That is prety much what you do with horses. You set a number of small grazing areas and rotate the horses
    so they always have an area with plenty of grass to move on next.

    In spring and summer I can supply for pasture about 5 days per week, which is not bad since I don't have
    that many grazing terrain.

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  • From Arelor@21:2/138 to StormTrooper on Tue Mar 29 02:29:46 2022
    Re: Re: Nightmares / Dreams
    By: StormTrooper to Arelor on Tue Mar 29 2022 04:17 am

    horse education, and horse gear.

    Yeah my horse has a degree in psychology :P

    ST

    My horses could take an exam for Heavy Metal CUlture since I sing a lot to them while working around
    them, and then I explain to them from which album each piece is. I am sure they could tell you from which
    album any Barón Rojo title you may name is :-)

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  • From StormTrooper@21:2/108 to Arelor on Tue Mar 29 11:32:40 2022
    album any Barón Rojo title you may name is :-)

    Who dat? I can't read the UTF8 4th character in... looks european or swedish maybe?

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  • From Spectre@21:3/101 to Arelor on Tue Mar 29 21:25:00 2022
    That is prety much what you do with horses. You set a number of small grazing areas and rotate the horses so they always have an area with

    I'm kind of suggesting pots with other different plants to the regular grazing... bang something quick growing like marigolds or whatever else is suitable for them to eat... by giving them something different it might help cut down the head in the tree type behaviours..

    Spec


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  • From Arelor@21:2/138 to StormTrooper on Tue Mar 29 18:01:14 2022
    Re: Re: Nightmares / Dreams
    By: StormTrooper to Arelor on Tue Mar 29 2022 11:32 am

    album any Barón Rojo title you may name is :-)

    Who dat? I can't read the UTF8 4th character in... looks european or swed maybe?

    ST

    It is a Spanish Heavy Metal band.

    They released an album which consisted on their regular songs, but with
    English lyrics, though. I wonder how well it sold.

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  • From Arelor@21:2/138 to Spectre on Tue Mar 29 18:02:36 2022
    Re: Re: Nightmares / Dreams
    By: Spectre to Arelor on Tue Mar 29 2022 09:25 pm

    That is prety much what you do with horses. You set a number of smal grazing areas and rotate the horses so they always have an area with

    I'm kind of suggesting pots with other different plants to the regular grazing... bang something quick growing like marigolds or whatever else i suitable for them to eat... by giving them something different it might h cut down the head in the tree type behaviours..

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    Worth a try. I usually plant different types of grass already by the
    begining of the season..

    I wonder if she does Head in the ree as a way to get me to mess with her
    mane.

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  • From Blue White@21:4/134 to boraxman on Tue Mar 29 16:18:48 2022
    boraxman wrote to Blue White <=-

    Do people dream in black and white, a partial or full colour spectrum?

    Funny, I am not sure if I have ever seen Red in a dream, either. I don't usually remember colors, but I usually dream in color. I do also dream in black and white sometimes. I often remember more about those. Those
    dreams are usually like Casablanca or the other films of that era that I
    enjoy, and they are almost always set in the past. If I am a Private
    Detective in a dream, it is usually in black and white, and the dames are smokin' hot! :)



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  • From StormTrooper@21:2/108 to Arelor on Wed Mar 30 02:08:56 2022
    album any Barón Rojo title you may name is :-)

    It is a Spanish Heavy Metal band.

    So sans the acute or whatever is on the character whats the anglicised
    version?

    ST

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  • From boraxman@21:1/101 to Spectre on Wed Mar 30 22:37:40 2022
    Spectre wrote to boraxman <=-

    Do people dream in black and white, a partial or full colour spectrum?

    I suspect mine are for the most part monochromatic. Reduced colours
    would seem to make sense, after all its not your eyes doing the
    dreaming, and you're brain is inserting what it feels is important.

    The oddest ones I've had, are where I dream that I'm dreaming... and
    I've managed that down 2 levels before. This doesn't happen very often though, I think I could count those instances on one hand.

    I have "woken up" in a dream a few times. I remember one I dreamt I woke up in my room, the sky outside was a deep, deep dark blue and I could see some distance, stars with clarity, the outside view was different. It occured to me later that this wasn't my room, it wasn't right, and I must still be dreaming.

    I've also had a few or several cases where I've realised in the dream that I'm dreaming, but instead of waking up, I've kept dreaming. This is known as Lucid Dreaming and it is having a state of semi-awareness in the dream. You can do what you like in the dream world (which can be fun, though flying is hard), but I tend to wake up too quickly to really get absorbed.

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  • From boraxman@21:1/101 to Arelor on Wed Mar 30 22:37:40 2022
    Arelor wrote to boraxman <=-

    Re: Re: Nightmares / Dreams
    By: boraxman to Gamgee on Mon Mar 28 2022 10:40 pm

    I'm not being facetious, this is a genuine question, but what should people
    s
    tart
    posts about? I do agree the frequency of these questions is higher than
    desi
    rable,
    but every now and then they are good as topics for conversations.


    I say horses. People should start conversations about concerns they
    have about horses, horse education, and horse gear.

    A current concern of mine is that one of my mares always puts her head into bushes and ends up getting a lot of twigs entangled in her mane.
    Her mane eventually gets messed up with knots. Every now and then I
    have to trim her mane off to limit the reach of this mess but it
    saddens me because she has a beautiful mane otherwise.

    I don't think removing bushes and other plants is a good option because she loves them - and it is also a bit impractical anyway. I have been thinking in braiding her mane. She would look very posh as a result but maybe it wwould be more comfortable for her.

    Decisions, decisions...

    Unfortunately, my knowledge of horses is quite limited. I could describe organ functions, but how to take care of them, I have no idea...

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  • From boraxman@21:1/101 to Blue White on Wed Mar 30 22:37:40 2022
    Blue White wrote to boraxman <=-

    boraxman wrote to Blue White <=-

    Do people dream in black and white, a partial or full colour spectrum?

    Funny, I am not sure if I have ever seen Red in a dream, either. I
    don't usually remember colors, but I usually dream in color. I do also dream in black and white sometimes. I often remember more about those.
    Those dreams are usually like Casablanca or the other films of that
    era that I enjoy, and they are almost always set in the past. If I am
    a Private Detective in a dream, it is usually in black and white, and
    the dames are smokin' hot! :)

    Ahh, those dreams where you meet the perfect woman, beautiful, pleasant, quiet demeanor, that instant chemistry. They are the worst to wake up from. I've had some days where I was bummed out much of the day, missing and pining for this person.

    I don't think I've had a black and white dream, that would be odd, but I think it wasn't until I was in my 30s when I realised that my dream "colour pallete" was skewed towards the green/blue end of the spectrum.

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  • From Arelor@21:2/138 to StormTrooper on Wed Mar 30 09:29:12 2022
    Re: Re: Nightmares / Dreams
    By: StormTrooper to Arelor on Wed Mar 30 2022 02:08 am

    album any Barón Rojo title you may name is :-)

    It is a Spanish Heavy Metal band.

    So sans the acute or whatever is on the character whats the anglicised version?

    ST

    Sans the acute it would be Baron Rojo.

    I think there is no anglicised version of the name.

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  • From Nightfox@21:1/137 to boraxman on Wed Mar 30 09:16:14 2022
    Re: Re: Nightmares / Dreams
    By: boraxman to Blue White on Mon Mar 28 2022 10:40 pm

    Do people dream in black and white, a partial or full colour spectrum?

    I've seen people talk about dreaming in black and white, but I don't remember ever having a dream in black and white.. I've always seen color in my dreams, just like in real life. Though I guess I haven't really paid attention to what colors I've seen in my dreams, but my "vision" in my dreams has always been color, just like in real life.

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  • From Blue White@21:4/134 to boraxman on Wed Mar 30 15:17:32 2022
    boraxman wrote to Blue White <=-

    Do people dream in black and white, a partial or full colour spectrum?

    Funny, I am not sure if I have ever seen Red in a dream, either. I
    don't usually remember colors, but I usually dream in color. I do also dream in black and white sometimes. I often remember more about those.
    Those dreams are usually like Casablanca or the other films of that
    era that I enjoy, and they are almost always set in the past. If I am
    a Private Detective in a dream, it is usually in black and white, and
    the dames are smokin' hot! :)

    Ahh, those dreams where you meet the perfect woman, beautiful,
    pleasant, quiet demeanor, that instant chemistry. They are the worst
    to wake up from. I've had some days where I was bummed out much of the day, missing and pining for this person.

    The women in my black and white dreams are not perfect... they are usually beautiful, but more like the women you would expect to see in a film noir.
    So not quiet or necessarily pleasant but, yeah, waking from those still bums
    me out.

    I don't think I've had a black and white dream, that would be odd, but
    I think it wasn't until I was in my 30s when I realised that my dream "colour pallete" was skewed towards the green/blue end of the spectrum.

    I don't have them often, but do enjoy remembering them.


    ... Tell me, is something eluding you, Sunshine?
    --- MultiMail
    * Origin: Possum Lodge South * possumso.fsxnet.nz:7636/SSH:2122 (21:4/134)
  • From StormTrooper@21:2/108 to Arelor on Wed Mar 30 23:46:42 2022
    Sans the acute it would be Baron Rojo.

    I think there is no anglicised version of the name.

    Ahh thats what I meant anyways... will have a look now :)

    ST

    --- Mystic BBS v1.12 A46 2020/08/26 (Linux/64)
    * Origin: Storm BBS (21:2/108)
  • From boraxman@21:1/101 to Nightfox on Thu Mar 31 22:47:04 2022

    I've seen people talk about dreaming in black and white, but I don't remember ever having a dream in black and white.. I've always seen
    color in my dreams, just like in real life. Though I guess I haven't really paid attention to what colors I've seen in my dreams, but my "vision" in my dreams has always been color, just like in real life.


    Looking around my lounge right now, there is very little red. Maybe thats why I don't dream of red, because I don't see much of it in real life. Even in my last house, there wasn't much, if any, red.

    --- Mystic BBS v1.12 A47 2021/12/24 (Linux/64)
    * Origin: Agency BBS | Dunedin, New Zealand | agency.bbs.nz (21:1/101)
  • From boraxman@21:1/101 to Blue White on Thu Mar 31 22:50:18 2022
    Ahh, those dreams where you meet the perfect woman, beautiful, pleasant, quiet demeanor, that instant chemistry. They are the worst to wake up from. I've had some days where I was bummed out much of t day, missing and pining for this person.

    The women in my black and white dreams are not perfect... they are
    usually beautiful, but more like the women you would expect to see in a film noir. So not quiet or necessarily pleasant but, yeah, waking from those still bums me out.


    I've learned from my dreams, that I have a sub-conscious preference for those with a placid demeanor, not dolled up or fancy, perhaps the overlooked "wallflower", someone deep. Maybe someone like me.

    I don't think I've had a black and white dream, that would be odd, bu I think it wasn't until I was in my 30s when I realised that my dream "colour pallete" was skewed towards the green/blue end of the spectru

    I don't have them often, but do enjoy remembering them.


    I won't describe the weirder dreams I've had.

    --- Mystic BBS v1.12 A47 2021/12/24 (Linux/64)
    * Origin: Agency BBS | Dunedin, New Zealand | agency.bbs.nz (21:1/101)
  • From poindexter FORTRAN@21:4/122 to boraxman on Wed Mar 30 06:49:00 2022
    boraxman wrote to Blue White <=-

    I don't think I've had a black and white dream, that would be odd, but
    I think it wasn't until I was in my 30s when I realised that my dream "colour pallete" was skewed towards the green/blue end of the spectrum.

    I'm a street/abstract photographer, and I did a collage of my photos several years back. I was struck by how my photos were so skewed towards reds.



    ... Take away the elements in order of apparent non-importance
    --- MultiMail/DOS v0.52
    * Origin: realitycheckBBS.org -- information is power. (21:4/122)
  • From The Millionaire@21:1/183 to Gamgee on Thu Mar 31 14:08:24 2022
    Do you have ECWEB4 on your bbs?

    $ The Millionaire $
    --- SBBSecho 3.15-Linux
    * Origin: Vertrauen - [vert/cvs/bbs].synchro.net (21:1/183)
  • From Gamgee@21:2/138 to The Millionaire on Thu Mar 31 16:30:00 2022
    The Millionaire wrote to Gamgee <=-

    Do you have ECWEB4 on your bbs?

    No, I do not. Telnet only.



    ... Enter any 12 digit prime number to continue.
    === MultiMail/Linux v0.52
    --- SBBSecho 3.15-Linux
    * Origin: Palantir * palantirbbs.ddns.net * Pensacola, FL * (21:2/138)
  • From The Millionaire@21:1/183 to Gamgee on Thu Mar 31 14:57:08 2022


    No, I do not. Telnet only.

    ... Enter any 12 digit prime number to continue.
    === MultiMail/Linux v0.52
    --- SBBSecho 3.15-Linux
    * Origin: Palantir * palantirbbs.ddns.net * Pensacola, FL * (21:2/138)


    Are you still carrying Mobile on your BBS?

    $ The Millionaire $
    --- SBBSecho 3.15-Linux
    * Origin: Vertrauen - [vert/cvs/bbs].synchro.net (21:1/183)
  • From McDoob@21:4/135 to All on Thu Mar 31 18:07:24 2022
    Do you have ECWEB4 on your bbs?

    No, I do not. Telnet only.

    Nor do I. But I feel like this isn't a BBS thing, but more of a telnet client thing. I know for fact that not every telnet client displays the same info on-screen.

    For the record, I saw nothing but gibberish as well. Maybe it's a language thing? (o_O)

    McDoob
    SysOp, PiBBS
    pibbs.sytes.net

    ... Next time you wave at me, use more than one finger!

    --- Mystic BBS v1.12 A47 2021/12/24 (Raspberry Pi/32)
    * Origin: PiBBS (21:4/135)
  • From 2twisty@21:3/166 to Gamgee on Thu Mar 31 16:11:20 2022
    No, I do not. Telnet only.

    I have noticed that many of the BBSes are telnet only. Any reason why we don't also do SSH and strongly suggest that people use it?

    I support both, but plan to detect if they are on telnet and encourage people to use SSH because it's secure.

    --- Mystic BBS v1.12 A47 2021/12/24 (Linux/64)
    * Origin: The Ratrace Losers (21:3/166)
  • From McDoob@21:4/135 to 2twisty on Thu Mar 31 18:28:36 2022
    I have noticed that many of the BBSes are telnet only. Any reason why
    we don't also do SSH and strongly suggest that people use it?

    Um, because we're not stupid? SSH is literally access to the base OS, and not to the BBS itself.

    Honestly, I'm a little surprised that you didn't already figure this out for yourself.

    McDoob
    SysOp, PiBBS
    pibbs.sytes.net

    ... Nine times out of ten the statisticians are wrong

    --- Mystic BBS v1.12 A47 2021/12/24 (Raspberry Pi/32)
    * Origin: PiBBS (21:4/135)
  • From 2twisty@21:3/166 to McDoob on Thu Mar 31 16:36:58 2022
    Um, because we're not stupid? SSH is literally access to the base OS,
    and not to the BBS itself.

    Uh, where to you get that? I run my BBS SSH on port 2222, not plain 22. I have port 22 access from inside my network for admin purposes, but BBS users cannot log into the system on port 22 even if they are local to my network.

    BBS is behind a powerful firewall (not cheap wifi router or cable modem, i run a dedicated pfSense router) with appropriate security and NAT redirection for the relevant ports.

    Furthermore, if it were true that the SSH connection were granting access to the base OS, it would also be true of Telnet.

    Please educate me if I'm wrong. I sure can't log in as any BBS user over regular SSH into the server.

    --- Mystic BBS v1.12 A47 2021/12/24 (Linux/64)
    * Origin: The Ratrace Losers (21:3/166)
  • From Nightfox@21:1/137 to 2twisty on Thu Mar 31 15:42:36 2022
    Re: Re: Nightmares / Dreams
    By: 2twisty to Gamgee on Thu Mar 31 2022 04:11 pm

    I have noticed that many of the BBSes are telnet only. Any reason why we don't also do SSH and strongly suggest that people use it?

    I also support both on my BBS, but I think the reason people generally don't strongly suggest to use SSH is that it seems most BBS users don't really care if their BBS session is encrypted. Telnet seems to be the default, and it seems most users won't care enough to switch it over to SSH. People have said they don't think there's a strong need that their BBS activity (or perhaps even their account password) be encrypted because there isn't much of value that can be gained from it.

    Nightfox
    --- SBBSecho 3.15-Win32
    * Origin: Digital Distortion: digdist.synchro.net (21:1/137)
  • From Nightfox@21:1/137 to McDoob on Thu Mar 31 15:46:00 2022
    Re: Re: Nightmares / Dreams
    By: McDoob to 2twisty on Thu Mar 31 2022 06:28 pm

    Um, because we're not stupid? SSH is literally access to the base OS, and not to the BBS itself.

    Maybe a stupid question, but how does SSHing into a BBS give you access to the base OS? When you SSH into a BBS, you're still at the BBS menu etc., just like with telnet.

    Nightfox
    --- SBBSecho 3.15-Win32
    * Origin: Digital Distortion: digdist.synchro.net (21:1/137)
  • From McDoob@21:4/135 to 2twisty on Thu Mar 31 18:52:04 2022
    Um, because we're not stupid? SSH is literally access to the base OS, and not to the BBS itself.

    Uh, where to you get that? I run my BBS SSH on port 2222, not plain 22.
    I have port 22 access from inside my network for admin purposes, but BBS users cannot log into the system on port 22 even if they are local to my network.

    I'm going to give you the excuse of 'youthful exuberance' here. Port 22 and SSH access are not the same. Do *not* open ANY SSH port to the world!

    BBS is behind a powerful firewall (not cheap wifi router or cable modem,
    i run a dedicated pfSense router) with appropriate security and NAT redirection for the relevant ports.

    For every defence, there is somone trying to find a way around it. I would know, because I've tried. Not in your case, though...(o_O)

    Please educate me if I'm wrong. I sure can't log in as any BBS user over regular SSH into the server.

    And that's kind of my point! Why would you give any Trouble, Dick, and Hasbeen, free access to your underlying OS? Close that port, sir!

    Just my opinion. Please check out http://pibbs.sytes.net for more.

    McDoob
    SysOp, PiBBS
    pibbs.sytes.net

    ... No honey, I can't eat with the family. My computer gets lonely!

    --- Mystic BBS v1.12 A47 2021/12/24 (Raspberry Pi/32)
    * Origin: PiBBS (21:4/135)
  • From 2twisty@21:3/166 to Nightfox on Thu Mar 31 16:56:18 2022
    I also support both on my BBS, but I think the reason people generally don't strongly suggest to use SSH is that it seems most BBS users don't really care if their BBS session is encrypted. Telnet seems to be the default, and it seems most users won't care enough to switch it over to SSH. People have said they don't think there's a strong need that their BBS activity (or perhaps even their account password) be encrypted
    because there isn't much of value that can be gained from it.

    Ah, but there *is* value. Why not keep your comms secret? It costs you nothing except the sysop 5 minutes to enable the server and to open the ports in the firewall, and it takes the user even less time to switch.

    Furthermore, (at least) SyncTERM allows auto login with SSH, which can allow a user to use strong, unique passwords that they don't have to remember or copy/paste.

    Instead of a password like LETMEIN, you could have a password that is^*D0h1#@ (up to the max password length of the BBS software)

    Yes you can use the "what are you hiding if you are encrypting?" argument. My answer to that is "What am I concealing/protecting? My PRIVACY."

    Since I am a long time Linux/Windows server admin, security and privacy are top-of-mind. Also, one of the reasons that BBSes are gaining some traction these days is because of privacy; we come here so that we aren't data mined by facebook and google for everything we type.

    Seems to me that encryption goes hand-in-hand with that mindset.

    --- Mystic BBS v1.12 A47 2021/12/24 (Linux/64)
    * Origin: The Ratrace Losers (21:3/166)
  • From McDoob@21:4/135 to Nightfox on Thu Mar 31 19:00:16 2022
    Maybe a stupid question, but how does SSHing into a BBS give you access
    to the base OS? When you SSH into a BBS, you're still at the BBS menu etc., just like with telnet.

    That's not a stupid question, and I leave it to more experienced people than I to answer. However, I am loathe to give anyone core access to my device, and that's exactly what I use SSH for.

    I do not open any port in my network for outside SSH access. Call me old-school, if you must.

    McDoob
    SysOp, PiBBS
    pibbs.sytes.net

    ... A PC a day keeps the Apple away!

    --- Mystic BBS v1.12 A47 2021/12/24 (Raspberry Pi/32)
    * Origin: PiBBS (21:4/135)
  • From Andre@21:3/117 to McDoob on Thu Mar 31 18:11:52 2022
    Honestly, I'm a little surprised that you didn't already figure this out for yourself.

    I wouldn't be so cocky about this one if I were you.


    Um, because we're not stupid? SSH is literally access to the base OS, and not to the BBS itself.

    I feel like I've told you a couple weeks ago already. You can change the sshd port to something else and then have your BBS listen on 22. Or you can pick some wonky port for your BBS and leave sshd listening on standard 22. I lean towards making the user experience easy, so I move sshd to a different port.


    - Andre
    --- SBBSecho 3.15-Linux
    * Origin: Radio Mentor BBS - bbs.radiomentor.org (21:3/117)
  • From McDoob@21:4/135 to 2twisty on Thu Mar 31 19:13:42 2022
    Instead of a password like L[******], you could have a password that

    Dude! S T F U! (o_O)

    Don't be passing that default fsxNet password around! Especially to us fsxNet patrons! What's wrong with you?!

    Seriously, though. You just faux pas'd. Don't share passwords in public echos...Almost as important as not opening your SSH port to the world, except this affects everyone on fsxNet!

    McDoob
    SysOp, PiBBS
    pibbs.sytes.net

    ... Error 3032 - Recursion error. See error 3032.

    --- Mystic BBS v1.12 A47 2021/12/24 (Raspberry Pi/32)
    * Origin: PiBBS (21:4/135)
  • From Andre@21:3/117 to 2twisty on Thu Mar 31 18:13:12 2022
    Please educate me if I'm wrong. I sure can't log in as any BBS user over regular SSH into the server.

    You already know you're not wrong and are just being polite. :)


    - Andre
    --- SBBSecho 3.15-Linux
    * Origin: Radio Mentor BBS - bbs.radiomentor.org (21:3/117)
  • From Blue White@21:4/134 to boraxman on Thu Mar 31 15:40:56 2022
    boraxman wrote to Blue White <=-

    The women in my black and white dreams are not perfect... they are
    usually beautiful, but more like the women you would expect to see in a film noir. So not quiet or necessarily pleasant but, yeah, waking from those still bums me out.

    I've learned from my dreams, that I have a sub-conscious preference for those with a placid demeanor, not dolled up or fancy, perhaps the overlooked "wallflower", someone deep. Maybe someone like me.

    I do also, most of the time, as those were the kind of women I would
    normally date. Unfortunately, in my dreams, I often see a different side
    of that kind of person, where they turn pretty evil.

    Not true in the black and white dreams, on either count.

    ... Tell me, is something eluding you, Sunshine?
    --- MultiMail
    * Origin: Possum Lodge South * possumso.fsxnet.nz:7636/SSH:2122 (21:4/134)
  • From Andre@21:3/117 to Nightfox on Thu Mar 31 18:16:04 2022
    Maybe a stupid question, but how does SSHing into a BBS give you access to the base OS? When you SSH into a BBS, you're still at the BBS menu etc., just like with telnet.

    He didn't change the sshd port, so it's using the port. So when the BBS tries it fails, hence looks like the BBS dumps SSH clients right to the OS.


    - Andre
    --- SBBSecho 3.15-Linux
    * Origin: Radio Mentor BBS - bbs.radiomentor.org (21:3/117)
  • From Andre@21:3/117 to McDoob on Thu Mar 31 18:22:04 2022
    I'm going to give you the excuse of 'youthful exuberance' here. Port 22 and SSH access are not the same. Do *not* open ANY SSH port to the world!

    That's somewhat true, but depends on what SSH server program we're talking about. The likelihood of a working OpenSSH remote exploit is extremely low, though it has happened occasionally before.

    If you use a very strong password that isn't used elsewhere, or better yet a cert, then you're pretty safe. Even more so if you add MFA.

    https://ubuntu.com/tutorials/configure-ssh-2fa


    That said, my sshd port is not open to the world and even my BBS is only open to like seven countries.


    - Andre
    --- SBBSecho 3.15-Linux
    * Origin: Radio Mentor BBS - bbs.radiomentor.org (21:3/117)
  • From Nightfox@21:1/137 to McDoob on Thu Mar 31 16:22:46 2022
    Re: Re: Nightmares / Dreams
    By: McDoob to Nightfox on Thu Mar 31 2022 07:00 pm

    Maybe a stupid question, but how does SSHing into a BBS give you
    access to the base OS? When you SSH into a BBS, you're still at the
    BBS menu etc., just like with telnet.

    That's not a stupid question, and I leave it to more experienced people than I to answer. However, I am loathe to give anyone core access to my device, and that's exactly what I use SSH for.

    I do not open any port in my network for outside SSH access. Call me old-school, if you must.

    When using SSH on a BBS, the BBS software handles the SSH session, in the same way it handles the telnet session. You could also enable telnet access to your base OS if you wanted to. But for either protocol, I don't really see how either protocol would pose more of an access risk than the other when connecting to a BBS.

    Nightfox
    --- SBBSecho 3.15-Win32
    * Origin: Digital Distortion: digdist.synchro.net (21:1/137)
  • From 2twisty@21:3/166 to McDoob on Thu Mar 31 17:25:34 2022
    That's not a stupid question, and I leave it to more experienced people than I to answer. However, I am loathe to give anyone core access to my device, and that's exactly what I use SSH for.

    (please pardon the snark here)

    <snark>
    I *AM* one of those "more experienced
    people" when it comes to SSH and Telnet. I'm no haxx0r g0d or anything close, but I have enough professional experience to know this.
    </snark>

    OK, I think I understand where you might be a little confused.

    On my Ubuntu box, I run an ssh server on the standard port of 22. That port is NOT available from the outside. The server on port 22 is the one that gives me shell access to the Ubuntu Server underlying OS.

    Mystic (mis, actually) runs its OWN server that I set to port 2222. Connecting on port 2222 connects you to the BBS only; it goes nowhere near a shell into the ubuntu box. I then forward port 2222 from the outside to port 2222 on the inside in the firewall.

    This is exactly the same thing you do when you enable telnet on your BBS and use an alternate port like 2323. I don't run a telnet server on port 23 open to the world for any service of any kind since SSH is more secure, and my SSH server that grants terminal access to Ubuntu is not forwarded.

    If you really want to be properly secure, you'd set up a VPN endpoint on your router and force users to connect to the VPN first and then telnet/ssh into the BBS. But that is WAY more complicated and still uses the same public/private key encryption that SSH does.

    --- Mystic BBS v1.12 A47 2021/12/24 (Linux/64)
    * Origin: The Ratrace Losers (21:3/166)
  • From 2twisty@21:3/166 to Andre on Thu Mar 31 17:28:30 2022
    I feel like I've told you a couple weeks ago already. You can change the sshd port to something else and then have your BBS listen on 22. Or you can pick some wonky port for your BBS and leave sshd listening on
    standard 22. I lean towards making the user experience easy, so I move sshd to a different port.

    That sounds reasonable, and I may do exactly that for user ease. Since I haven't announced the board publicly yet, it would be very easy to make that change for both 22 and 23 and move sshd to something else.

    --- Mystic BBS v1.12 A47 2021/12/24 (Linux/64)
    * Origin: The Ratrace Losers (21:3/166)
  • From 2twisty@21:3/166 to McDoob on Thu Mar 31 17:30:22 2022
    Don't be passing that default fsxNet password around! Especially to us fsxNet patrons! What's wrong with you?!

    Seriously, though. You just faux pas'd. Don't share passwords in public echos...Almost as important as not opening your SSH port to the world, except this affects everyone on fsxNet!

    Um. That password is publicly available, as shown in the MysticGuy's videos.

    How do you think I got it? I didn't have to meet some dude in an alley or give a blood sample, ya know.

    --- Mystic BBS v1.12 A47 2021/12/24 (Linux/64)
    * Origin: The Ratrace Losers (21:3/166)
  • From Andre@21:3/117 to 2twisty on Thu Mar 31 18:33:40 2022
    I *AM* one of those "more experienced
    people" when it comes to SSH and Telnet. I'm no haxx0r g0d or anything close, but I have enough professional experience to know this. </snark>

    I'm far from the best, but I am that guy... or used to be before I took worse and worse jobs to make more money.


    If you really want to be properly secure, you'd set up a VPN endpoint on your router and force users to connect to the VPN first and then

    This doesn't really gain anything for SSH. You can get the same MFA, logging, and blacklisting that you can with a VPN. What the VPN can get you tunneling your DNS and a central place for getting MFA, logging, and blacklisting for
    *all* your systems. But if you just have one server then it's just adding complexity.


    - Andre
    --- SBBSecho 3.15-Linux
    * Origin: Radio Mentor BBS - bbs.radiomentor.org (21:3/117)
  • From 2twisty@21:3/166 to Andre on Thu Mar 31 17:34:26 2022
    That said, my sshd port is not open to the world and even my BBS is only open to like seven countries.

    Yeah, prob should do this too. I'll have to look up that file and edit it.

    --- Mystic BBS v1.12 A47 2021/12/24 (Linux/64)
    * Origin: The Ratrace Losers (21:3/166)
  • From 2twisty@21:3/166 to Andre on Thu Mar 31 17:36:18 2022
    This doesn't really gain anything for SSH. You can get the same MFA, logging, and blacklisting that you can with a VPN. What the VPN can get you tunneling your DNS and a central place for getting MFA, logging, and blacklisting for *all* your systems. But if you just have one server
    then it's just adding complexity.

    Actually, that was my point.. I guess I failed to make it. Thanks for grabbing my slack. :)

    --- Mystic BBS v1.12 A47 2021/12/24 (Linux/64)
    * Origin: The Ratrace Losers (21:3/166)
  • From Andre@21:3/117 to 2twisty on Thu Mar 31 18:39:14 2022
    That sounds reasonable, and I may do exactly that for user ease. Since I haven't announced the board publicly yet, it would be very easy to make that change for both 22 and 23 and move sshd to something else.

    On unix it's like a five minute job if you've never done it before, including the web search for how to do it. Super easy.


    - Andre
    --- SBBSecho 3.15-Linux
    * Origin: Radio Mentor BBS - bbs.radiomentor.org (21:3/117)
  • From McDoob@21:4/135 to 2twisty on Thu Mar 31 19:41:16 2022
    Since I am a long time Linux/Windows server admin, security and privacy are top-of-mind. Also, one of the reasons that BBSes are gaining some traction these days is because of privacy; we come here so that we
    aren't data mined by facebook and google for everything we type.

    That's exactly why I'm here: FaceBot can suck my big one!

    More importantly, as the SysOp of PiBBS, I am allowed to speak my mind, within the limits of whichever 'net I'm speaking in. And these limits are *far* less strict than 'good' ol' Sucker-berg's! No FaceBot Jail for me, thank you very much! t(^_^t)

    McDoob
    SysOp, PiBBS
    pibbs.sytes.net

    ... User Error: Replace user and hit any key to continue...

    --- Mystic BBS v1.12 A47 2021/12/24 (Raspberry Pi/32)
    * Origin: PiBBS (21:4/135)
  • From Arelor@21:2/138 to Blue White on Thu Mar 31 18:46:54 2022
    Re: Re: Nightmares / Dreams
    By: Blue White to boraxman on Thu Mar 31 2022 03:40 pm

    boraxman wrote to Blue White <=-

    The women in my black and white dreams are not perfect... they are usually beautiful, but more like the women you would expect to see in a film noir. So not quiet or necessarily pleasant but, yeah, waking from those still bums me out.

    I've learned from my dreams, that I have a sub-conscious preference for those with a placid demeanor, not dolled up or fancy, perhaps the overlooked "wallflower", someone deep. Maybe someone like me.

    I do also, most of the time, as those were the kind of women I would normally date. Unfortunately, in my dreams, I often see a different side
    of that kind of person, where they turn pretty evil.

    Not true in the black and white dreams, on either count.

    ... Tell me, is something eluding you, Sunshine?

    In my dreams I am usually some sort of overpowerful dude steamrolling bad people.

    I had this dream in which my performance at college was so bad that the University board sent me to a re-education camp ran by the Opus Dei. They had me mopping floors and the like, but while doing some menial task I peeked into a room through a half open door and found out the higher ups in the camp were actually Terminators, infiltrating the Opus in order to kickstart a conspiracy to take over the world.

    Trying to find an exit from the facility in order to wanr the world, I ran into a biolab where the Opus held a giang pegasus captive for horrible experimentation, so I freed him. It turned out he could breath fire like a dragon.

    The rest of the dream was me flying with the pegasus, letting him roast the Terminators while I finished the few ones who escaped with a bazooka.

    This is one of the tamests ones. Stay tuned for the one in which I was sent to destroy planet Al-Qaeda, the one in which I leaded a rebellion in hell to overthrow Satan and take his throne, or the one in which the bus I was travelling in was attacked by a horde of fire hurling gnome warlocks.

    --
    gopher://gopher.richardfalken.com/1/richardfalken
    --- SBBSecho 3.15-Linux
    * Origin: Palantir * palantirbbs.ddns.net * Pensacola, FL * (21:2/138)
  • From 2twisty@21:3/166 to McDoob on Thu Mar 31 17:51:56 2022
    That's exactly why I'm here: FaceBot can suck my big one!

    More importantly, as the SysOp of PiBBS, I am allowed to speak my mind, within the limits of whichever 'net I'm speaking in. And these limits
    are *far* less strict than 'good' ol' Sucker-berg's! No FaceBot Jail for me, thank you very much! t(^_^t)

    Which should be all the more reason for you to SUPPORT SSH.

    I am more than willing to help you figure out how to get that set up properly if you ever become interested. I don't know Andre at all, but from what he has said, it sounds like he'd be willing, as well.

    --- Mystic BBS v1.12 A47 2021/12/24 (Linux/64)
    * Origin: The Ratrace Losers (21:3/166)
  • From Andre@21:3/117 to 2twisty on Thu Mar 31 19:00:56 2022
    I am more than willing to help you figure out how to get that set up properly if you ever become interested. I don't know Andre at all, but from what he has said, it sounds like he'd be willing, as well.

    There something I read years ago that I forget from time to time... Never point out problems, because then you just volunteered to fix them.


    - Andre
    --- SBBSecho 3.15-Linux
    * Origin: Radio Mentor BBS - bbs.radiomentor.org (21:3/117)
  • From McDoob@21:4/135 to Andre on Thu Mar 31 20:12:38 2022
    I feel like I've told you a couple weeks ago already. You can change the sshd port to something else and then have your BBS listen on 22. Or you can pick some wonky port for your BBS and leave sshd listening on
    standard 22. I lean towards making the user experience easy, so I move sshd to a different port.

    I feel like we've had this discussion before, too. But, my ports remain closed, despite your 'devil-may-care' attitude, sir.

    Please continue enjoying your day!

    McDoob
    SysOp, PiBBS
    pibbs.sytes.net

    ... BREAKFAST.COM Halted... Cereal port not responding.

    --- Mystic BBS v1.12 A47 2021/12/24 (Raspberry Pi/32)
    * Origin: PiBBS (21:4/135)
  • From McDoob@21:4/135 to Andre on Thu Mar 31 20:18:04 2022
    I'm going to give you the excuse of 'youthful exuberance' here. Port and SSH access are not the same. Do *not* open ANY SSH port to the wo

    That's somewhat true, but depends on what SSH server program we're
    talking about. The likelihood of a working OpenSSH remote exploit is extremely low, though it has happened occasionally before.

    If you use a very strong password that isn't used elsewhere, or better
    yet a cert, then you're pretty safe. Even more so if you add MFA.

    That said, my sshd port is not open to the world and even my BBS is only open to like seven countries.

    At the very least, brute-force attacks are still a thing. There's only so many characters in a single password.

    I'm not giving anyone advice here! I am very much trying to avoid this subject! But, I may or may not know what I'm talking about when it comes to network penetration...

    I definitely do wear a white hat, when it comes to this sort of thing.

    McDoob
    SysOp, PiBBS
    pibbs.sytes.net

    ... My software never has bugs. It just develops random features...

    --- Mystic BBS v1.12 A47 2021/12/24 (Raspberry Pi/32)
    * Origin: PiBBS (21:4/135)
  • From McDoob@21:4/135 to Nightfox on Thu Mar 31 20:20:28 2022
    When using SSH on a BBS, the BBS software handles the SSH session, in
    the same way it handles the telnet session. You could also enable
    telnet access to your base OS if you wanted to. But for either
    protocol, I don't really see how either protocol would pose more of an access risk than the other when connecting to a BBS.

    Sir, I would ask you to refresh your lessons on network vulnerability. Trust me when I say this: SSH access is root access, if you do it right.

    McDoob
    SysOp, PiBBS
    pibbs.sytes.net

    ... I am NOT a tagline THIEF. I am a tagline CONSERVATIONIST.

    --- Mystic BBS v1.12 A47 2021/12/24 (Raspberry Pi/32)
    * Origin: PiBBS (21:4/135)
  • From Andre@21:3/117 to McDoob on Thu Mar 31 19:30:52 2022
    At the very least, brute-force attacks are still a thing. There's only so many characters in a single password.

    Assuming that someone doesn't use a cert (which I said they should) or MFA (also said they should), then password managers do the trick just fine.

    Speaking as someone who has purchased more than one $20k password cracking rig, unless you're sharing passwords with a site that got hacked, it's not easy to crack a long password.

    Using a randomly generated numbers/uppercase/symbols 30-char password, two websites just estimated brute force cracking to take:

    Password: hn,qJ-wJ_ZBErvKi#yzPU*~&ACCryC
    Site 1: 2 hundred trillion trillion trillion years
    Site 2: 1.769583131372137e+42 years

    Passprase: CoalWinterNowadaysLeftMiddle
    Site 1: 8 thousand years
    Site 2: 1.2651120242302712e+31 years


    So no. Still not a concern. Disclaimer: I don't expose my host OS SSH globally. I do use SSH to the BBS because that's totally normal and preferred to telnet.


    - Andre
    --- SBBSecho 3.15-Linux
    * Origin: Radio Mentor BBS - bbs.radiomentor.org (21:3/117)
  • From 2twisty@21:3/166 to McDoob on Thu Mar 31 18:30:52 2022
    Sir, I would ask you to refresh your lessons on network vulnerability. Trust me when I say this: SSH access is root access, if you do it right.

    ....and so is Telnet or ANY protocol exposed to the Internet. Every server/service has bugs that can be exploited; they were coded by imperfect umans that make mistakes. It's just whether or not they have been discovered/weaponized.

    If you're worried about SSH, you should be worried about Telnet. So why don't you close your board to the outside world completely and just poll for your mail as a private node? That would be infinitely safer.

    Of course, the only foolproof way is to unplug the power. :)

    --- Mystic BBS v1.12 A47 2021/12/24 (Linux/64)
    * Origin: The Ratrace Losers (21:3/166)
  • From McDoob@21:4/135 to 2twisty on Thu Mar 31 20:35:30 2022
    That's not a stupid question, and I leave it to more experienced peop than I to answer. However, I am loathe to give anyone core access to device, and that's exactly what I use SSH for.

    (please pardon the snark here)

    No, sir! Don't pre-exempt yourself! Trust me, if your 'snark' gets out of hand, one of us will definitely let you know! (o_-)

    <snark>
    I *AM* one of those "more experienced
    people" when it comes to SSH and Telnet. I'm no haxx0r g0d or anything close, but I have enough professional experience to know this.
    </snark>

    Excuse me for thinking otherwise. I hadn't assumed you were a n00bz0r. I was just warning you about some mistakes that other new members of fsxNet have made. Not me, obviously, because I'm the best there is, was, and ever shall be...but others.

    However, sending an open invitation to hack your system was probably not the wisest response. I won't even try, even if you made me smell the hun'fiddy in person. My hat is white, damnit! Please ignore that smudge of grey here and there...

    OK, I think I understand where you might be a little confused.

    On my Ubuntu box, I run an ssh server on the standard port of 22. That port is NOT available from the outside. The server on port 22 is the one that gives me shell access to the Ubuntu Server underlying OS.

    Mystic (mis, actually) runs its OWN server that I set to port 2222. Connecting on port 2222 connects you to the BBS only; it goes nowhere
    near a shell into the ubuntu box. I then forward port 2222 from the outside to port 2222 on the inside in the firewall.

    How quaint. You actually think that Mystic's SSH isn't the same as...you know...*actual* SSH...

    Again, I refuse your challenge, sir. Hun-fiddy ain't enuff, yo!

    McDoob
    SysOp, PiBBS
    pibbs.sytes.net

    ... A PC a day keeps the Apple away!

    --- Mystic BBS v1.12 A47 2021/12/24 (Raspberry Pi/32)
    * Origin: PiBBS (21:4/135)
  • From McDoob@21:4/135 to 2twisty on Thu Mar 31 20:37:06 2022
    Um. That password is publicly available, as shown in the MysticGuy's videos.

    How do you think I got it? I didn't have to meet some dude in an alley
    or give a blood sample, ya know.

    That you know of...(o_O)

    Seriously, this is a joke, for those who are humour-challenged...

    McDoob
    SysOp, PiBBS
    pibbs.sytes.net

    ... This virus requires Microsoft Windows 3.x

    --- Mystic BBS v1.12 A47 2021/12/24 (Raspberry Pi/32)
    * Origin: PiBBS (21:4/135)
  • From Andre@21:3/117 to McDoob on Thu Mar 31 19:42:04 2022
    Sir, I would ask you to refresh your lessons on network vulnerability. Trust me when I say this: SSH access is root access, if you do it right.

    For the love all that's holy, you have got to stop talking about this. You're not doing this well. :)

    Telnet and SSH both, by default, allow access to to log in to a shell. However, in most (all?) distros, neither of them allow root access without making a config change.

    And if you allow 'sudo su' to your standard user (hi, RPi OS!), then I dunno what to tell you.


    - Andre
    --- SBBSecho 3.15-Linux
    * Origin: Radio Mentor BBS - bbs.radiomentor.org (21:3/117)
  • From McDoob@21:4/135 to Arelor on Thu Mar 31 20:42:28 2022
    In my dreams I am usually some sort of overpowerful dude steamrolling bad people.

    And/or having steamy (totally consensual) sex with some peon. Or is that just *my* dreams? Maybe I *do* need to find a girlfriend...

    Whatever, to each their own dreams! \(^_^)/

    P.S.: if any of you know a redhead, give her my node address!

    McDoob
    SysOp, PiBBS
    pibbs.sytes.net

    ... Everyone smiles in the same language.

    --- Mystic BBS v1.12 A47 2021/12/24 (Raspberry Pi/32)
    * Origin: PiBBS (21:4/135)
  • From Andre@21:3/117 to McDoob on Thu Mar 31 19:44:50 2022
    How quaint. You actually think that Mystic's SSH isn't the same as...you know...*actual* SSH...

    What does "actual SSH" even mean?


    - Andre
    --- SBBSecho 3.15-Linux
    * Origin: Radio Mentor BBS - bbs.radiomentor.org (21:3/117)
  • From McDoob@21:4/135 to 2twisty on Thu Mar 31 20:49:00 2022
    That's exactly why I'm here: FaceBot can suck my big one!

    More importantly, as the SysOp of PiBBS, I am allowed to speak my min within the limits of whichever 'net I'm speaking in. And these limits are *far* less strict than 'good' ol' Sucker-berg's! No FaceBot Jail me, thank you very much! t(^_^t)

    Which should be all the more reason for you to SUPPORT SSH.

    I am more than willing to help you figure out how to get that set up properly if you ever become interested. I don't know Andre at all, but from what he has said, it sounds like he'd be willing, as well.

    Don't take my lackadaisical nature at its face value. As my moniker suggests, I'm a pothead. But this doesn't mean that my mind is as dull as a pencil from the '80s.

    Hell, man! I'm trying to get *you* properly set up! (@_@)

    PS: Andre is a good source of information. He has certainly given me food for thought in the past.

    McDoob
    SysOp, PiBBS
    pibbs.sytes.net

    ... When all else fails, read the instructions

    --- Mystic BBS v1.12 A47 2021/12/24 (Raspberry Pi/32)
    * Origin: PiBBS (21:4/135)
  • From 2twisty@21:3/166 to McDoob on Thu Mar 31 18:48:58 2022
    How quaint. You actually think that Mystic's SSH isn't the same as...you know...*actual* SSH...

    Do you *actually* think i run Mystic as root? IF they managed to crash Mystic and get to a bash prompt, then they'd have to use another hack to get root access in order to complete the challenge.

    Further, if Mystic *is* using the in-built OpenSSH server in Ubuntu (rather than rolling his own, only g00r00 could answer that), then....they ain't likely gonna break it because...well...OpenSSH is pretty damn secure..far more secure than Telnet.


    Remember: in order to claim the bounty, they would have to reveal HOW they did it, thus giving us the information we need to get Mystic fixed and what exploits they used once they got a bash prompt as an unprivileged user. That would be fed back to the Linux community to be fixed as well.


    My hat is white, damnit!

    if your hat is white, then you have no ethical issue with hacking me....since I gave permission.

    --- Mystic BBS v1.12 A47 2021/12/24 (Linux/64)
    * Origin: The Ratrace Losers (21:3/166)
  • From McDoob@21:4/135 to Andre on Thu Mar 31 20:51:16 2022
    I am more than willing to help you figure out how to get that set up properly if you ever become interested. I don't know Andre at all, bu from what he has said, it sounds like he'd be willing, as well.

    There something I read years ago that I forget from time to time...
    Never point out problems, because then you just volunteered to fix them.

    Yeah, bud. And I'm pretty sure 2twisty just volunteered *you* to fix his eventual rapid network invasion. Don't blame me for this one! My hands are very much clean! (O_O)

    McDoob
    SysOp, PiBBS
    pibbs.sytes.net

    ... If you can't make it good, make it LOOK good. -Bill Gates.

    --- Mystic BBS v1.12 A47 2021/12/24 (Raspberry Pi/32)
    * Origin: PiBBS (21:4/135)
  • From 2twisty@21:3/166 to Andre on Thu Mar 31 18:52:20 2022
    And if you allow 'sudo su' to your standard user (hi, RPi OS!), then I dunno what to tell you.

    Many distros (including Ubuntu) do this for the account you create on install. At least the username is likely to be something non-standard and the password won't be "raspberry."

    My user account does have sudo rights, including su. in fact, on this box I don't even know root's password. I do everything via sudo as my user account.

    --- Mystic BBS v1.12 A47 2021/12/24 (Linux/64)
    * Origin: The Ratrace Losers (21:3/166)
  • From 2twisty@21:3/166 to McDoob on Thu Mar 31 18:56:20 2022
    Hell, man! I'm trying to get *you* properly set up! (@_@)

    And I appreciate it, believe me. What I need help with is the specifics of Mystic -- which files are displayed to the user and when and how to "plug in" any code that I may write.

    As for the Linux/Unix/Internet Security thing.... I am ALWAYS open to suggestions and debate, but I think I have that part covered adequately.

    --- Mystic BBS v1.12 A47 2021/12/24 (Linux/64)
    * Origin: The Ratrace Losers (21:3/166)
  • From 2twisty@21:3/166 to McDoob on Thu Mar 31 18:58:40 2022
    Yeah, bud. And I'm pretty sure 2twisty just volunteered *you* to fix his eventual rapid network invasion. Don't blame me for this one! My hands
    are very much clean! (O_O)

    What makes you think I'm incapable of fixing any mess I create?

    I DO have proper 3/2/1 backups and snapshots that I can roll back to if something gets boogered.

    Sure, it would be a royal PITA to have to do that, but I just volunteered *myself* to clean it up!

    --- Mystic BBS v1.12 A47 2021/12/24 (Linux/64)
    * Origin: The Ratrace Losers (21:3/166)
  • From McDoob@21:4/135 to Andre on Thu Mar 31 21:27:22 2022
    Assuming that someone doesn't use a cert (which I said they should) or
    MFA (also said they should), then password managers do the trick just fine.

    Speaking as someone who has purchased more than one $20k password
    cracking rig, unless you're sharing passwords with a site that got
    hacked, it's not easy to crack a long password.

    Using a randomly generated numbers/uppercase/symbols 30-char password,
    two websites just estimated brute force cracking to take:

    Right...because *everyone* uses 30-char pw's? (o_O)

    Oh, wait...no they friggin' don't! Most passwords are defeated with 8 chars or less. You should already know this, because Google (and many others) has been
    complaining about this for an entire decade!

    Give your head a shake! If you hear a rattle, consult a doctor! (o_O)

    (Andre, this is not a 'personal attack'. I don't expect you to get offended, but if you do, I will consider you an opponent. May joy enter your life!)

    McDoob
    SysOp, PiBBS
    pibbs.sytes.net

    ... Oxymoron: Race walking

    --- Mystic BBS v1.12 A47 2021/12/24 (Raspberry Pi/32)
    * Origin: PiBBS (21:4/135)
  • From McDoob@21:4/135 to 2twisty on Thu Mar 31 21:31:46 2022
    Sir, I would ask you to refresh your lessons on network vulnerability Trust me when I say this: SSH access is root access, if you do it rig

    ....and so is Telnet or ANY protocol exposed to the Internet.

    No, sir. Not the same.

    Every server/service has bugs that can be exploited; they were coded by imperfect umans that make mistakes. It's just whether or not they have been discovered/weaponized.

    Okay, yes. This is true.

    I am very happy to know that you're thinking the way I (personally) think you should.

    Again, I only wanted to make sure you are fully prepared to be a SysOp.

    McDoob
    SysOp, PiBBS
    pibbs.sytes.net

    ... User Error: Replace user and hit any key to continue...

    --- Mystic BBS v1.12 A47 2021/12/24 (Raspberry Pi/32)
    * Origin: PiBBS (21:4/135)
  • From McDoob@21:4/135 to Andre on Thu Mar 31 21:43:48 2022
    Sir, I would ask you to refresh your lessons on network vulnerability Trust me when I say this: SSH access is root access, if you do it rig

    For the love all that's holy, you have got to stop talking about this. You're not doing this well. :)

    Very correct, probably. I blame the beer.

    Telnet and SSH both, by default, allow access to to log in to a shell. However, in most (all?) distros, neither of them allow root access
    without making a config change.

    I disagree. I won't tell you why.

    And if you allow 'sudo su' to your standard user (hi, RPi OS!), then I dunno what to tell you.

    I do know what to say: "Are you stupid?"
    Wait, didn't I just do exactly that? (o_O)

    Btw, PiBBS is fully protected. Even if anyone were to break in, that break-in is limited only to a 35-dollar, easily-replaced, system.

    And THAT's the point I've been trying to make all night! Don't expose expensive systems improperly!

    McDoob
    SysOp, PiBBS
    pibbs.sytes.net

    ... My software never has bugs. It just develops random features...

    --- Mystic BBS v1.12 A47 2021/12/24 (Raspberry Pi/32)
    * Origin: PiBBS (21:4/135)
  • From McDoob@21:4/135 to Andre on Thu Mar 31 21:44:36 2022
    How quaint. You actually think that Mystic's SSH isn't the same as... know...*actual* SSH...

    What does "actual SSH" even mean?

    The same as Mystic SSH, wise guy...

    McDoob
    SysOp, PiBBS
    pibbs.sytes.net

    ... User Error: Replace user and hit any key to continue...

    --- Mystic BBS v1.12 A47 2021/12/24 (Raspberry Pi/32)
    * Origin: PiBBS (21:4/135)
  • From McDoob@21:4/135 to 2twisty on Thu Mar 31 21:46:06 2022
    How quaint. You actually think that Mystic's SSH isn't the same as... know...*actual* SSH...

    Do you *actually* think i run Mystic as root?

    No. I have to go, because reality insists. I'll finish responding soon.

    McDoob
    SysOp, PiBBS
    pibbs.sytes.net

    ... Marriage is one of the chief causes of divorce

    --- Mystic BBS v1.12 A47 2021/12/24 (Raspberry Pi/32)
    * Origin: PiBBS (21:4/135)
  • From McDoob@21:4/135 to 2twisty on Thu Mar 31 22:52:02 2022
    I am so very glad that you're here. It sucks being the 'newbie', and now you're it, instead of me! Congrats!

    Now then...

    Hell, man! I'm trying to get *you* properly set up! (@_@)

    And I appreciate it, believe me. What I need help with is the specifics of Mystic -- which files are displayed to the user and when and how to "plug in" any code that I may write.

    That's something that you're going to spend a lot of frustration on, believe me. Especially if you're running Linux...because, you know, Uppercase vs lowercase...

    But, this is also where the MysticBBS wiki starts to be useful! g00r00 has a lot on his plate, but he tries very hard to make sure that the wiki contains the exact information for every function of Mystic.

    Just in case it wasn't obvious, this is pure opinion, and may not have actual factual basis.

    I can't answer the question you're trying to ask. Partly because you didn't actually ask one, but mostly because you still need time to learn how Mystic works.

    It's gonna take a while, trust me. Relax, and try to enjoy the adventure!

    McDoob
    SysOp, PiBBS
    pibbs.sytes.net

    ... As a matter of fact, it IS a banana in my pocket!

    --- Mystic BBS v1.12 A47 2021/12/24 (Raspberry Pi/32)
    * Origin: PiBBS (21:4/135)
  • From Gamgee@21:2/138 to The Millionaire on Thu Mar 31 21:58:00 2022
    The Millionaire wrote to Gamgee <=-

    Are you still carrying Mobile on your BBS?

    Yes. Why?



    ... A day without sunshine is like night.
    === MultiMail/Linux v0.52
    --- SBBSecho 3.15-Linux
    * Origin: Palantir * palantirbbs.ddns.net * Pensacola, FL * (21:2/138)
  • From Gamgee@21:2/138 to 2twisty on Thu Mar 31 22:07:00 2022
    2twisty wrote to Gamgee <=-

    No, I do not. Telnet only.

    I have noticed that many of the BBSes are telnet only. Any
    reason why we don't also do SSH and strongly suggest that people
    use it?

    I've thought about it, and probably should implement it. I guess it's
    just that there really isn't any "secret" data being transferred.

    I support both, but plan to detect if they are on telnet and
    encourage people to use SSH because it's secure.

    I may do it also, soon.



    ... A day without sunshine is like night.
    === MultiMail/Linux v0.52
    --- SBBSecho 3.15-Linux
    * Origin: Palantir * palantirbbs.ddns.net * Pensacola, FL * (21:2/138)
  • From Gamgee@21:2/138 to McDoob on Thu Mar 31 22:34:00 2022
    McDoob wrote to 2twisty <=-

    I have noticed that many of the BBSes are telnet only. Any reason why
    we don't also do SSH and strongly suggest that people use it?

    Um, because we're not stupid? SSH is literally access to the base
    OS, and not to the BBS itself.

    Ummmm........ no. LOL

    Honestly, I'm a little surprised that you didn't already figure
    this out for yourself.

    Yeah... I'm not surprised that you haven't figured this out.


    ... He's as sharp as a marble.
    === MultiMail/Linux v0.52
    --- SBBSecho 3.15-Linux
    * Origin: Palantir * palantirbbs.ddns.net * Pensacola, FL * (21:2/138)
  • From Gamgee@21:2/138 to McDoob on Thu Mar 31 22:37:00 2022
    McDoob wrote to 2twisty <=-

    Um, because we're not stupid? SSH is literally access to the base OS, and not to the BBS itself.

    Uh, where to you get that? I run my BBS SSH on port 2222, not plain 22.
    I have port 22 access from inside my network for admin purposes, but BBS users cannot log into the system on port 22 even if they are local to my network.

    I'm going to give you the excuse of 'youthful exuberance' here.
    Port 22 and SSH access are not the same. Do *not* open ANY SSH
    port to the world!

    Strike one.

    BBS is behind a powerful firewall (not cheap wifi router or cable modem,
    i run a dedicated pfSense router) with appropriate security and NAT redirection for the relevant ports.

    For every defence, there is somone trying to find a way around
    it. I would know, because I've tried. Not in your case,
    though...(o_O)

    Please educate me if I'm wrong. I sure can't log in as any BBS user over regular SSH into the server.

    And that's kind of my point! Why would you give any Trouble,
    Dick, and Hasbeen, free access to your underlying OS? Close that
    port, sir!

    Strike two.

    Just my opinion. Please check out http://pibbs.sytes.net for
    more.

    Wow. I don't even know where to begin to address the level of cluelessness
    in this message. Hahahahahahaha! Holy crap.

    You have a lot to learn, McNoob.


    ... He's as sharp as a marble.
    === MultiMail/Linux v0.52
    --- SBBSecho 3.15-Linux
    * Origin: Palantir * palantirbbs.ddns.net * Pensacola, FL * (21:2/138)
  • From Gamgee@21:2/138 to 2twisty on Thu Mar 31 22:41:00 2022
    2twisty wrote to McDoob <=-

    Don't be passing that default fsxNet password around! Especially to us fsxNet patrons! What's wrong with you?!

    Seriously, though. You just faux pas'd. Don't share passwords in public echos...Almost as important as not opening your SSH port to the world, except this affects everyone on fsxNet!

    Um. That password is publicly available, as shown in the
    MysticGuy's videos.

    How do you think I got it? I didn't have to meet some dude in an
    alley or give a blood sample, ya know.

    Everyone knows that, except McNoob apparently.

    But he'll probably chime in and say it was "humour"... although he's the
    only one who thinks so... Hahaha



    ... He's as sharp as a marble.
    === MultiMail/Linux v0.52
    --- SBBSecho 3.15-Linux
    * Origin: Palantir * palantirbbs.ddns.net * Pensacola, FL * (21:2/138)
  • From Gamgee@21:2/138 to McDoob on Thu Mar 31 22:46:00 2022
    McDoob wrote to Nightfox <=-

    When using SSH on a BBS, the BBS software handles the SSH session, in
    the same way it handles the telnet session. You could also enable
    telnet access to your base OS if you wanted to. But for either
    protocol, I don't really see how either protocol would pose more of an access risk than the other when connecting to a BBS.

    Sir, I would ask you to refresh your lessons on network
    vulnerability. Trust me when I say this: SSH access is root
    access, if you do it right.

    Hahahahahahahaha! He just keeps digging that hole deeper and deeper!

    It's comical and pathetic, at the same time.

    The *METHOD* of access (SSH/telnet/rlogin/whatever) has *NOTHING* to do with whether 'root access' is available/achieved. I repeat, NOTHING.



    ... He's as sharp as a marble.
    === MultiMail/Linux v0.52
    --- SBBSecho 3.15-Linux
    * Origin: Palantir * palantirbbs.ddns.net * Pensacola, FL * (21:2/138)
  • From McDoob@21:4/135 to Gamgee on Fri Apr 1 00:20:02 2022
    I have noticed that many of the BBSes are telnet only. Any reason wh we don't also do SSH and strongly suggest that people use it?

    Um, because we're not stupid? SSH is literally access to the base
    OS, and not to the BBS itself.

    Ummmm........ no. LOL

    Honestly, I'm a little surprised that you didn't already figure
    this out for yourself.

    Yeah... I'm not surprised that you haven't figured this out.

    *chooses not to reply, while making a point of not replying*

    McDoob
    SysOp, PiBBS
    pibbs.sytes.net

    ... I'd love to help you out. Which way did you come in?

    --- Mystic BBS v1.12 A47 2021/12/24 (Raspberry Pi/32)
    * Origin: PiBBS (21:4/135)
  • From McDoob@21:4/135 to Gamgee on Fri Apr 1 00:39:04 2022
    I'm going to give you the excuse of 'youthful exuberance' here.
    Port 22 and SSH access are not the same. Do *not* open ANY SSH
    port to the world!

    Strike one.

    Please educate me if I'm wrong. I sure can't log in as any BBS user regular SSH into the server.

    And that's kind of my point! Why would you give any Trouble,
    Dick, and Hasbeen, free access to your underlying OS? Close that port, sir!

    Strike two.

    Just my opinion. Please check out http://pibbs.sytes.net for
    more.

    Wow. I don't even know where to begin to address the level of cluelessness in this message. Hahahahahahaha! Holy crap.


    So, are you going to add anything constructive to this conversation? Or are
    you just here to call me names? (o_O)

    Go on, explain to everyone how very wrong I am! Do better than just:

    You have a lot to learn, McNoob.

    Or, you know, just do unto others as you would have them do unto you? Believe me when I say, I would very much enjoy doing unto you as you've done unto me!

    Unfortunately, my God asks me to restrain myself. Again...and again...and yet again! Listen, both of you! I'm running out of cheeks to turn! \(@_@)/

    I really am trying my hardest to be nice, and you know it, Gamgee. Please, restrain yourself again, as I'm doing so now.

    We were doing so well, until just recently! And, I'll admit, that's somewhat my fault. I probably shouldn't have poked the bear quite so hard. Excuse me for that, I don't always care when I annoy people, especially you, ya jerk!

    Stay healthy, so I can continue to have someone to piss off, okay? <3

    McDoob
    SysOp, PiBBS
    pibbs.sytes.net

    ... Just another prisoner of gravity!

    --- Mystic BBS v1.12 A47 2021/12/24 (Raspberry Pi/32)
    * Origin: PiBBS (21:4/135)
  • From Spectre@21:3/101 to 2twisty on Fri Apr 1 13:37:00 2022
    I have noticed that many of the BBSes are telnet only. Any reason why we don't also do SSH and strongly suggest that people use it?

    A lot of BBS systems have no native SSH support. I messed around with being able to SSH into the linux box hosting the system and then locally forwarding
    a telnet from the account to the BBS but it proved difficult to secure the account.

    In most cases I expect there's not a lot critical information on a BBS worth sniffing.. what are you going to get if you hack an account someones mail?

    Spec


    *** THE READER V4.50 [freeware]
    --- SuperBBS v1.17-3 (Eval)
    * Origin: The future's uncertain, the end is always near. (21:3/101)
  • From Spectre@21:3/101 to Nightfox on Fri Apr 1 13:59:00 2022
    Maybe a stupid question, but how does SSHing into a BBS give you access to the base OS? When you SSH into a BBS, you're still at the BBS menu etc., just like with telnet.

    If your BBS doesn't have native SSH support, you need to do some sort of protocol conversion, you can't just point an SSH client at its telnet port.
    The easiest way to achieve this is to accept the SSH connect at OS level and then direct to a telnet session to the BBS.

    I had two issues, great difficulty in ensuring the security of the process, I had people escaping into the OS. When it was used as intended it adds a
    whole lot of latency to the link.

    Spec


    *** THE READER V4.50 [freeware]
    --- SuperBBS v1.17-3 (Eval)
    * Origin: The future's uncertain, the end is always near. (21:3/101)
  • From Spectre@21:3/101 to 2twisty on Fri Apr 1 14:13:00 2022
    Um. That password is publicly available, as shown in the MysticGuy's videos.

    How do you think I got it? I didn't have to meet some dude in an alley or give a blood sample, ya know.

    I was sure it involved a session in a phone box with a particular frequency whistle. :P

    Spec


    *** THE READER V4.50 [freeware]
    --- SuperBBS v1.17-3 (Eval)
    * Origin: The future's uncertain, the end is always near. (21:3/101)
  • From Spectre@21:3/101 to McDoob on Fri Apr 1 14:27:00 2022
    subject! But, I may or may not know what I'm talking about when it comes to network penetration...

    Remember to use the lube...


    *** THE READER V4.50 [freeware]
    --- SuperBBS v1.17-3 (Eval)
    * Origin: The future's uncertain, the end is always near. (21:3/101)
  • From McDoob@21:4/135 to Spectre on Fri Apr 1 01:10:12 2022
    Um. That password is publicly available, as shown in the MysticGuy's videos.

    How do you think I got it? I didn't have to meet some dude in an all give a blood sample, ya know.

    I was sure it involved a session in a phone box with a particular frequency whistle. :P

    Yeah, but you can find that whistle in a cereal box! (o_O)

    Nice reference, btw. I saw what you did there.

    McDoob
    SysOp, PiBBS
    pibbs.sytes.net

    ... A Meteor is an example of a rock star.

    --- Mystic BBS v1.12 A47 2021/12/24 (Raspberry Pi/32)
    * Origin: PiBBS (21:4/135)
  • From boraxman@21:1/101 to 2twisty on Fri Apr 1 20:50:54 2022
    I have noticed that many of the BBSes are telnet only. Any reason why
    we don't also do SSH and strongly suggest that people use it?

    I support both, but plan to detect if they are on telnet and encourage people to use SSH because it's secure.

    I am in violent agreement with this. SSH is also convenient because the client can send the password as well, saving you from typing it in.

    --- Mystic BBS v1.12 A47 2021/12/24 (Linux/64)
    * Origin: Agency BBS | Dunedin, New Zealand | agency.bbs.nz (21:1/101)
  • From boraxman@21:1/101 to Nightfox on Fri Apr 1 20:57:46 2022
    I have noticed that many of the BBSes are telnet only. Any reason why don't also do SSH and strongly suggest that people use it?

    I also support both on my BBS, but I think the reason people generally don't strongly suggest to use SSH is that it seems most BBS users don't really care if their BBS session is encrypted. Telnet seems to be the default, and it seems most users won't care enough to switch it over to SSH. People have said they don't think there's a strong need that their BBS activity (or perhaps even their account password) be encrypted
    because there isn't much of value that can be gained from it.


    Well, for what it is worth, I am one who does care, and while I won't abstain from using telnet if there is no ssh available, I strongly prefer ssh. I'm not comfortable with people viewing my BBS activity, even it is just these messages.

    I think preferring privacy should be the default, and even if people think they have nothing to hide, it is a good culture to foster, a good mindset, that one cares about their privacy instead of being complacent.

    --- Mystic BBS v1.12 A47 2021/12/24 (Linux/64)
    * Origin: Agency BBS | Dunedin, New Zealand | agency.bbs.nz (21:1/101)
  • From boraxman@21:1/101 to 2twisty on Fri Apr 1 21:08:26 2022
    Yes you can use the "what are you hiding if you are encrypting?"
    argument. My answer to that is "What am I concealing/protecting? My PRIVACY."

    Since I am a long time Linux/Windows server admin, security and privacy are top-of-mind. Also, one of the reasons that BBSes are gaining some traction these days is because of privacy; we come here so that we
    aren't data mined by facebook and google for everything we type.

    Seems to me that encryption goes hand-in-hand with that mindset.


    This is a very important point. I have had a couple of people express interest in BBS's because they want to move away from monitoring, from Social Media's tracking and spying and from surveillance.

    Privacy, being able to converse with people and not have any random dig up something you said 10 years later to blast you could be a major selling point of BBSs. Sure, its not private in the sense that only the intended recipient can see it, but it is still miles better than having this discussion on Facebook. With a BBS, you can have encrypted communication, *NO* commercial entities mining data, *NO* commercial entity or company threatening to pull the plug on hosting because they don't like what you are saying, and you can pretty easily prevent discussion being a permanent public record, simply don't republish it on the web.

    People can view BBS's as a way to get away from all those complications, and we can make it that by putting an emphasis on privacy, on keeping visibility just to BBS users, and providing a different paradigm, a community which feels like a community because it is in someones own house (their own BBS server), and between us only. Where conversations aren't "leaky" (ie, end up everywhere). This would differentiate the BBS from other forums.

    --- Mystic BBS v1.12 A47 2021/12/24 (Linux/64)
    * Origin: Agency BBS | Dunedin, New Zealand | agency.bbs.nz (21:1/101)
  • From boraxman@21:1/101 to McDoob on Fri Apr 1 21:15:16 2022
    That's exactly why I'm here: FaceBot can suck my big one!

    More importantly, as the SysOp of PiBBS, I am allowed to speak my mind, within the limits of whichever 'net I'm speaking in. And these limits
    are *far* less strict than 'good' ol' Sucker-berg's! No FaceBot Jail for me, thank you very much! t(^_^t)

    Same. I don't mind posting on say Vintage Computer Forums with questions about which capacitors to change on the C64, and having the public. Thats find, same with forums about Linux Questions or forums about how to car for your Abyssinian cat.

    But if I'm going to be having more personal discussions, I want not only to be free to speak my mind, but to have more of a level of privacy and definitely NOT have my writings scanned and others profiling and data mining.

    --- Mystic BBS v1.12 A47 2021/12/24 (Linux/64)
    * Origin: Agency BBS | Dunedin, New Zealand | agency.bbs.nz (21:1/101)
  • From StormTrooper@21:2/108 to McDoob on Fri Apr 1 10:16:04 2022
    Yeah, but you can find that whistle in a cereal box! (o_O)


    But the important part if the shady dude in the phone box...

    --- Mystic BBS v1.12 A46 2020/08/26 (Linux/64)
    * Origin: Storm BBS (21:2/108)
  • From StormTrooper@21:2/108 to boraxman on Fri Apr 1 10:31:50 2022
    I think preferring privacy should be the default, and even if people
    think they have nothing to hide, it is a good culture to foster, a good mindset, that one cares about their privacy instead of being complacent.

    I think at this point, there is little worth trying to lift out of any given telnet session that it probably has some level of security through obscurity.

    Legacy systems relying on some kind of serial interface probably will never achieve it. Is anyone going to write a SSH verison of things like rlfossil or netfoss? I'm not thinking so.

    ST

    --- Mystic BBS v1.12 A46 2020/08/26 (Linux/64)
    * Origin: Storm BBS (21:2/108)
  • From boraxman@21:1/101 to StormTrooper on Sat Apr 2 00:17:30 2022
    I think at this point, there is little worth trying to lift out of any given telnet session that it probably has some level of security through obscurity.

    Legacy systems relying on some kind of serial interface probably will never achieve it. Is anyone going to write a SSH verison of things like rlfossil or netfoss? I'm not thinking so.


    I don't agree. People just try to search for open ports, just to see what they can get. People aren't looking for something specific, they are just looking to see what is available. Any telnet session is a target.

    --- Mystic BBS v1.12 A47 2021/12/24 (Linux/64)
    * Origin: Agency BBS | Dunedin, New Zealand | agency.bbs.nz (21:1/101)
  • From Andre@21:3/117 to boraxman on Fri Apr 1 07:15:56 2022
    I think at this point, there is little worth trying to lift out of
    any given telnet session that it probably has some level of security
    through obscurity.

    I can't quite figure out what this means, so I may be entirely missing the point. "Security through obscurity" means that you are hoping people can't figure out how the internals of something work. It doesn't mean that it's unimportant or barely used BBS traffic.

    I don't agree. People just try to search for open ports, just to see what they can get. People aren't looking for something specific, they are just looking to see what is available. Any telnet session is a target.

    The only way to make this statement more untrue would be to say that scanning isn't even happening. :)

    The vast majority of scanning looks for, and usually attempts to exploit, a specific attack. Just eyeballing my IPS shows maybe 5% or so are simple port scans. It's been this way at least since I started paying attention in the early 2000s.


    - Andre
    --- SBBSecho 3.15-Linux
    * Origin: Radio Mentor BBS - bbs.radiomentor.org (21:3/117)
  • From Warpslide@21:3/110 to 2twisty on Fri Apr 1 08:59:36 2022
    On 31 Mar 2022, 2twisty said the following...

    I run my BBS SSH on port 2222, not plain 22.

    Yup, ditto here.

    BBS is behind a powerful firewall (not cheap wifi router or cable modem,
    i run a dedicated pfSense router) with appropriate security and NAT redirection for the relevant ports.

    Also ditto here, the BBS is on its own dedicated vlan with firewall rules keeping it isolated, other than the required traffic in/out to the interwebs.

    Please educate me if I'm wrong. I sure can't log in as any BBS user over regular SSH into the server.

    I SSH into my BBS's OS (port 22) and log into my board via SSH (port 2222), but all the time, but that's mostly because I'm lazy and it auto logs me in... ;)


    Jay

    ... There is no greater loan than a sympathetic ear.

    --- Mystic BBS v1.12 A48 2022/03/26 (Raspberry Pi/32)
    * Origin: Northern Realms (21:3/110)
  • From Warpslide@21:3/110 to Andre on Fri Apr 1 09:38:36 2022
    On 31 Mar 2022, Andre said the following...

    That said, my sshd port is not open to the world and even my BBS is only open to like seven countries.

    I'm thinking I may have to do the same. I'm currently in "open to the whole world and block the miscreants" mode, but now I'm thinking I may switch to your model.

    fail2ban seems to do a good job shutting down those that hammer away, though there was a bunch of attempts from Morocco where after x number of tries (or
    maybe that IP was blocked) it would just switch to another. A few days later similar behaviour from South Africa.


    Jay

    ... May the bridges I burn light the way

    --- Mystic BBS v1.12 A48 2022/03/26 (Raspberry Pi/32)
    * Origin: Northern Realms (21:3/110)
  • From Nightfox@21:1/137 to Spectre on Fri Apr 1 09:06:44 2022
    Re: Re: Nightmares / Dreams
    By: Spectre to Nightfox on Fri Apr 01 2022 01:59 pm

    Maybe a stupid question, but how does SSHing into a BBS give you
    access to the base OS? When you SSH into a BBS, you're still at the
    BBS menu etc., just like with telnet.

    If your BBS doesn't have native SSH support, you need to do some sort of protocol conversion, you can't just point an SSH client at its telnet port. The easiest way to achieve this is to accept the SSH connect at OS level and then direct to a telnet session to the BBS.

    Interesting. I'm glad you were able to provide an explanation, as McDoob never did make it clear how or why SSHing to a BBS could drop you to the OS. The BBS software I use (Synchronet) does have its own SSH support, so I didn't have to do anything at the OS level to make it work with the BBS.

    Nightfox
    --- SBBSecho 3.15-Win32
    * Origin: Digital Distortion: digdist.synchro.net (21:1/137)
  • From Nightfox@21:1/137 to boraxman on Fri Apr 1 09:10:38 2022
    Re: Re: Nightmares / Dreams
    By: boraxman to Nightfox on Fri Apr 01 2022 08:57 pm

    Well, for what it is worth, I am one who does care, and while I won't abstain from using telnet if there is no ssh available, I strongly prefer ssh. I'm not comfortable with people viewing my BBS activity, even it is just these messages.

    I think preferring privacy should be the default, and even if people think they have nothing to hide, it is a good culture to foster, a good mindset, that one cares about their privacy instead of being complacent.

    I generally agree.
    It seems that there's this idea of having "nothing to hide" though, and a some people might think if you're trying to encrypt your stuff and be generally private, then you might be hiding something. :/

    Nightfox
    --- SBBSecho 3.15-Win32
    * Origin: Digital Distortion: digdist.synchro.net (21:1/137)
  • From Nightfox@21:1/137 to Gamgee on Fri Apr 1 09:13:02 2022
    Re: Re: Nightmares / Dreams
    By: Gamgee to 2twisty on Thu Mar 31 2022 10:07 pm

    I have noticed that many of the BBSes are telnet only. Any
    reason why we don't also do SSH and strongly suggest that people
    use it?

    I've thought about it, and probably should implement it. I guess it's
    just that there really isn't any "secret" data being transferred.

    I'd consider at least users' passwords to be something secret. Those (like everything) are transmitted in plaintext over telnet.

    Nightfox
    --- SBBSecho 3.15-Win32
    * Origin: Digital Distortion: digdist.synchro.net (21:1/137)
  • From 2twisty@21:3/166 to Nightfox on Fri Apr 1 10:18:52 2022
    It seems that there's this idea of having "nothing to hide" though, and
    a some people might think if you're trying to encrypt your stuff and be generally private, then you might be hiding something. :/

    I *AM* hiding something; that "something" is my privacy. Even if I am just asking for recipes for mac & cheese, nobody but those intended to see it have any right to see it.

    --- Mystic BBS v1.12 A47 2021/12/24 (Linux/64)
    * Origin: The Ratrace Losers (21:3/166)
  • From 2twisty@21:3/166 to Nightfox on Fri Apr 1 10:20:08 2022
    I'd consider at least users' passwords to be something secret. Those (like everything) are transmitted in plaintext over telnet.

    Another "nice" feature of using SSH is auto-login. This allows the user to create strong, unique passwords for each board and use their terminal software like a password manager.

    --- Mystic BBS v1.12 A47 2021/12/24 (Linux/64)
    * Origin: The Ratrace Losers (21:3/166)
  • From Nightfox@21:1/137 to Gamgee on Fri Apr 1 09:22:48 2022
    Re: Re: Nightmares / Dreams
    By: Gamgee to McDoob on Thu Mar 31 2022 10:46 pm

    Sir, I would ask you to refresh your lessons on network
    vulnerability. Trust me when I say this: SSH access is root
    access, if you do it right.

    Hahahahahahahaha! He just keeps digging that hole deeper and deeper!

    It's comical and pathetic, at the same time.

    The *METHOD* of access (SSH/telnet/rlogin/whatever) has *NOTHING* to do with whether 'root access' is available/achieved. I repeat, NOTHING.

    Yeah, I've used SSH on multiple operating systems (Linux, Windows, Mac, etc.) for a long time and had never heard of this "SSH access is root access" before now.. SSH is for encrypting the terminal session, and gaining root access is something separate. And also this idea of SSHing to a BBS dropping you to the OS was something new. Spectre said in some cases you might need to set up the OS's SSH to forward to the BBS software, so maybe I could see how that could happen in that case.. Synchronet (which I run) has its own SSH capability though, and in all the years I've been running Synchronet, I've never heard of any SSH user being dropped to the OS with it. (Also, I'm running mine on Windows for now, so I think I'd even have to go through extra steps to enable SSH for Windows..)

    Nightfox
    --- SBBSecho 3.15-Win32
    * Origin: Digital Distortion: digdist.synchro.net (21:1/137)
  • From Gamgee@21:2/138 to Nightfox on Fri Apr 1 13:57:00 2022
    Nightfox wrote to Gamgee <=-

    I have noticed that many of the BBSes are telnet only. Any
    reason why we don't also do SSH and strongly suggest that people
    use it?

    I've thought about it, and probably should implement it. I guess it's
    just that there really isn't any "secret" data being transferred.

    I'd consider at least users' passwords to be something secret.
    Those (like everything) are transmitted in plaintext over telnet.

    Yes, that's certainly true. I guess it's more like there's really
    nothing to "hack" on a BBS user's account, even if somebody got a
    password that they shouldn't have. Back in the Golden Era of BBSs, when everything was over a modem/serial line, there was no security, and it
    wasn't deemed to be a big deal. I know times have changed, and it's
    probably the right thing to offer SSH access to those who want it.



    ... AAcckk!! II''mm iinn hhaallff dduupplleexx
    === MultiMail/Linux v0.52
    --- SBBSecho 3.15-Linux
    * Origin: Palantir * palantirbbs.ddns.net * Pensacola, FL * (21:2/138)
  • From Gamgee@21:2/138 to Nightfox on Fri Apr 1 14:02:00 2022
    Nightfox wrote to Gamgee <=-

    Re: Re: Nightmares / Dreams
    By: Gamgee to McDoob on Thu Mar 31 2022 10:46 pm

    Sir, I would ask you to refresh your lessons on network
    vulnerability. Trust me when I say this: SSH access is root
    access, if you do it right.

    Just to hit on this previous comment by McDoob.... SSH access is root
    access, if you do it *WRONG*...! That's even assuming one allows SSH
    access to the OS, which is not what we're talking about here.

    Hahahahahahahaha! He just keeps digging that hole deeper and deeper!

    It's comical and pathetic, at the same time.

    The *METHOD* of access (SSH/telnet/rlogin/whatever) has *NOTHING* to do with whether 'root access' is available/achieved. I repeat, NOTHING.

    Yeah, I've used SSH on multiple operating systems (Linux,
    Windows, Mac, etc.) for a long time and had never heard of this
    "SSH access is root access" before now..

    Nobody else has heard of it either, because it's Not True.

    SSH is for encrypting the terminal session, and gaining root access
    is something separate.

    Absolutely. McDoob does not seem to understand this. Maybe enough
    people have told him how wrong he is now, and he'll make an effort to
    gain some clues. Maybe not. Makes me wonder about the security of
    *HIS* board, and whether he's running it as root... Hmmmm.... ;-)



    ... If it weren't for Edison we'd be using computers by candlelight
    === MultiMail/Linux v0.52
    --- SBBSecho 3.15-Linux
    * Origin: Palantir * palantirbbs.ddns.net * Pensacola, FL * (21:2/138)
  • From Andre@21:3/117 to Gamgee on Fri Apr 1 17:09:34 2022
    Absolutely. McDoob does not seem to understand this. Maybe enough
    people have told him how wrong he is now, and he'll make an effort to
    gain some clues. Maybe not.

    It’s official, you’ve lost your mind. There’s no way he thinks he’s wrong about this.


    - Andre
    --- SBBSecho 3.15-Linux
    * Origin: Radio Mentor BBS - bbs.radiomentor.org (21:3/117)
  • From 2twisty@21:3/166 to Andre on Fri Apr 1 16:21:32 2022
    It’s official, you’ve lost your mind. There’s no way he thinks he’s wrong about this.

    Looks like your apostrophe key is getting misencoded....

    --- Mystic BBS v1.12 A47 2021/12/24 (Linux/64)
    * Origin: The Ratrace Losers (21:3/166)
  • From Nightfox@21:1/137 to Gamgee on Fri Apr 1 15:23:14 2022
    Re: Re: Nightmares / Dreams
    By: Gamgee to Nightfox on Fri Apr 01 2022 01:57 pm

    Yes, that's certainly true. I guess it's more like there's really
    nothing to "hack" on a BBS user's account, even if somebody got a password that they shouldn't have. Back in the Golden Era of BBSs, when everything was over a modem/serial line, there was no security, and it wasn't deemed to be a big deal. I know times have changed, and it's probably the right thing to offer SSH access to those who want it.

    Yeah, BBS user records probably don't contain anything really important.
    Also, back when everyone connected to a BBS via a modem over a phone line, the data being sent back & forth wasn't publicly visible like it is over the internet. I imagine someone could still use a wire tap and decode the modem audio being sent back and forth, but that probably wouldn't be as easy as monitoring a connection on the internet.

    Nightfox
    --- SBBSecho 3.15-Win32
    * Origin: Digital Distortion: digdist.synchro.net (21:1/137)
  • From Andre@21:3/117 to 2twisty on Fri Apr 1 17:38:56 2022
    It's official, you've lost your mind. There's no way he thinks
    he's wrong about this.

    Looks like your apostrophe key is getting misencoded....

    Sort of. It's being encoded correctly as a UTF-8 right single quote. Displays fine for me.

    https://www.cogsci.ed.ac.uk/~richard/utf-8.cgi?input=2019&mode=hex


    It was done in Synchronet's web interface from an iPhone. It'll be interesting to see what this reply shows with me logged into the BBS terminal.


    - Andre
    --- SBBSecho 3.15-Linux
    * Origin: Radio Mentor BBS - bbs.radiomentor.org (21:3/117)
  • From Andre@21:3/117 to 2twisty on Fri Apr 1 17:44:52 2022
    It was done in Synchronet's web interface from an iPhone. It'll be interesting to see what this reply shows with me logged into the BBS terminal.

    Looks like some combination of Synchronet/Syncterm/SlyEdit display the UTF-8 right single quote as an ASCII apostrophe, and even when quoting convert the original character to ASCII.

    The short term solution is probably for the web interface to convert some characters to ASCII before saving the message. But the correct solution is for newer terminal clients to learn to support UTF-8 someday.


    - Andre
    --- SBBSecho 3.15-Linux
    * Origin: Radio Mentor BBS - bbs.radiomentor.org (21:3/117)
  • From Arelor@21:2/138 to Gamgee on Fri Apr 1 18:51:30 2022
    Re: Re: Nightmares / Dreams
    By: Gamgee to 2twisty on Thu Mar 31 2022 10:07 pm

    2twisty wrote to Gamgee <=-

    No, I do not. Telnet only.

    I have noticed that many of the BBSes are telnet only. Any
    reason why we don't also do SSH and strongly suggest that people
    use it?

    I've thought about it, and probably should implement it. I guess it's
    just that there really isn't any "secret" data being transferred.

    I support both, but plan to detect if they are on telnet and
    encourage people to use SSH because it's secure.

    I may do it also, soon.




    I think that for a BBS, keeping the credentials safe would be the goal, rather than keeping the messages themselves safe. YOu would not want somebody to sniff somebody'spassword and then log in with his account.

    --
    gopher://gopher.richardfalken.com/1/richardfalken
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    * Origin: Palantir * palantirbbs.ddns.net * Pensacola, FL * (21:2/138)
  • From boraxman@21:1/101 to Andre on Sat Apr 2 12:57:54 2022
    I don't agree. People just try to search for open ports, just to see they can get. People aren't looking for something specific, they are looking to see what is available. Any telnet session is a target.

    The only way to make this statement more untrue would be to say that scanning isn't even happening. :)

    The vast majority of scanning looks for, and usually attempts to
    exploit, a specific attack. Just eyeballing my IPS shows maybe 5% or so are simple port scans. It's been this way at least since I started
    paying attention in the early 2000s.


    Interesting, I run my BBS on a non standard port, and get people trying to log in, so they must be finding the port by means of a scanner.

    Maybe it is a minority, yes, but it is enough to be a consideration.

    AFter all, if only 5% of the people that pass by your house every day try to get in through the back door, then you better lock your back door!

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  • From boraxman@21:1/101 to Nightfox on Sat Apr 2 13:31:38 2022
    I generally agree.
    It seems that there's this idea of having "nothing to hide" though, and
    a some people might think if you're trying to encrypt your stuff and be generally private, then you might be hiding something. :/


    I find this view of "nothing to hide" very selfish, and it speaks of poor character and judgment. One should, of course, be free to show the world whatever they like. But it should be a CHOICE. The "I've got nothing to hide" people, usually, are actually arguing against YOU having privacy. These people are arguing against YOU being allowed, or having the option of privacy. They are arguing "If I don't care about it, you shouldn't have the option to care about it either".

    These discussions are always in the context of whether privacy should be available in a broad sense.

    It is to me a matter of decency that by default, you keep peoples information private, and let them know if there is a wider audience. Now, if some people want to broadcast their opinions of Biden to the world, then so be it, but it should be a choice.

    Context matters. With Stack Overflow, it is very, very clear that you are posting things on a public site. Facebook was given grief, rightfully, over occasions where it was unclear what was private or not, or changing settings. They still give the users options and respect privacy. Even on that ungodly site, I could discuss matters with others, and know whether it would be "on the web" or not. But with BBS',s we, can't even offer that, which is sad.

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  • From Nightfox@21:1/137 to boraxman on Fri Apr 1 19:28:04 2022
    Re: Re: Nightmares / Dreams
    By: boraxman to Nightfox on Sat Apr 02 2022 01:31 pm

    I find this view of "nothing to hide" very selfish, and it speaks of poor character and judgment. One should, of course, be free to show the world whatever they like. But it should be a CHOICE. The "I've got nothing to hide" people, usually, are actually arguing against YOU having privacy. These people are arguing against YOU being allowed, or having the option of privacy. They are arguing "If I don't care about it, you shouldn't have the option to care about it either".

    I fully agree.

    Nightfox
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  • From Nightfox@21:1/137 to Andre on Fri Apr 1 19:30:22 2022
    Re: Re: Nightmares / Dreams
    By: Andre to 2twisty on Fri Apr 01 2022 05:38 pm

    It was done in Synchronet's web interface from an iPhone. It'll be interesting to see what this reply shows with me logged into the BBS terminal.

    When you say "Synchronet's web interface", do you mean ecwebv4 or the old Runemaster web interface? I suspect it might not make a difference, but I'm not sure if that's true..

    Nightfox
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  • From Nightfox@21:1/137 to Andre on Fri Apr 1 19:36:42 2022
    Re: Re: Nightmares / Dreams
    By: Andre to 2twisty on Fri Apr 01 2022 05:44 pm

    It was done in Synchronet's web interface from an iPhone. It'll be
    interesting to see what this reply shows with me logged into the BBS
    terminal.

    Looks like some combination of Synchronet/Syncterm/SlyEdit display the UTF-8 right single quote as an ASCII apostrophe, and even when quoting convert the original character to ASCII.

    The short term solution is probably for the web interface to convert some characters to ASCII before saving the message. But the correct solution is for newer terminal clients to learn to support UTF-8 someday.

    Usually I read messages using the text interface using DDMsgReader. I just checked that message of yours, and the apostrophes look good using SyncTerm, but they don't look good when using PuTTY. I suspect they may be UTF-8 and SyncTerm handles UTF-8, whereas other terminals and readers don't.

    Your message with SyncTerm:
    https://i.imgur.com/OMszRdU.png

    Your message with PuTTY;
    https://i.imgur.com/BCZp9dm.png

    Nightfox
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  • From Andre@21:3/117 to Nightfox on Fri Apr 1 21:43:00 2022
    When you say "Synchronet's web interface", do you mean ecwebv4 or the old Runemaster web interface? I suspect it might not make a difference, but I'm not sure if that's true..

    Unless I'm talking to other Sync sysops, I just say web interface instead of webv4. I think we're far enough removed from the Runemaster version that we don't have to talk about it anymore.

    But yes, I'm talking about webv4. It's mobile friendly enough for me to use to check and reply to messages, though still a bit clunky in its current version. It deals very well with UTF-8, even displaying TM's cyrillic text with ease.


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  • From Spectre@21:3/101 to Andre on Sat Apr 2 12:19:00 2022
    It was done in Synchronet's web interface from an iPhone. It'll be

    Its a known ipad/iphone problem. The Millionaire has the same issue. Knowing apple the work around will probably involved a chainsaw, some glue, and a couple of mung beans... never something easy :)

    Spec


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  • From Spectre@21:3/101 to Arelor on Sat Apr 2 12:28:00 2022
    I think that for a BBS, keeping the credentials safe would be the goal, rather than keeping the messages themselves safe. YOu would not want somebody to sniff somebody'spassword and then log in with his
    account.

    While I agree keeping the credentials safe is a lofty goal, mostly because people being people will probably use the password in more than one location. But even if someone acquires the credentials on a BBS there's not much you
    can do with them.. write a few messages to an echo..its not like those
    details can be used for anything else, unlike your email address and
    password.

    Spec


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  • From Spectre@21:3/101 to boraxman on Sat Apr 2 12:38:00 2022
    Maybe it is a minority, yes, but it is enough to be a consideration.

    AFter all, if only 5% of the people that pass by your house every day try to get in through the back door, then you better lock your back door!

    Chuckle, I like the analogy.. I find some ~95%+ of arrivals at the bbs prompt are trying to use the same key which doesn't work though... so there's only a very very small percentage of innovation going on in the attempts.

    Spec


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  • From StormTrooper@21:2/108 to boraxman on Sat Apr 2 03:10:20 2022
    I don't agree. People just try to search for open ports, just to see
    what they can get. People aren't looking for something specific, they
    are just looking to see what is available. Any telnet session is a target.

    While that's true. I don't see anyone going out of their way to break into a BBS. By far the login attempts try to force, root, admin, or some other
    known default account name, it doesn't matter what password the attacker uses its never going to be there. Again having access to a BBS doesn't give you
    any particular power, or added vulnerability. It's not like you can plant
    some kind of trojan, add other accounts, or generally damage a BBS setup.

    ST

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  • From Gamgee@21:2/138 to Andre on Fri Apr 1 21:54:00 2022
    Andre wrote to Gamgee <=-

    Absolutely. McDoob does not seem to understand this. Maybe enough
    people have told him how wrong he is now, and he'll make an effort to
    gain some clues. Maybe not.

    Itª€™s official, youª€™ve lost your mind. Thereª€™s no way he
    thinks heª€™s wrong about this.

    You're probably right (on your second sentence), unfortunately. Oh well, at least everybody else knows he's wrong. :-)



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  • From Gamgee@21:2/138 to Nightfox on Fri Apr 1 21:56:00 2022
    Nightfox wrote to Gamgee <=-

    Re: Re: Nightmares / Dreams
    By: Gamgee to Nightfox on Fri Apr 01 2022 01:57 pm

    Yes, that's certainly true. I guess it's more like there's really
    nothing to "hack" on a BBS user's account, even if somebody got a
    password that they shouldn't have. Back in the Golden Era of BBSs, when everything was over a modem/serial line, there was no security, and it wasn't deemed to be a big deal. I know times have changed, and it's probably the right thing to offer SSH access to those who want it.

    Yeah, BBS user records probably don't contain anything really
    important. Also, back when everyone connected to a BBS via a
    modem over a phone line, the data being sent back & forth wasn't
    publicly visible like it is over the internet. I imagine someone
    could still use a wire tap and decode the modem audio being sent
    back and forth, but that probably wouldn't be as easy as
    monitoring a connection on the internet.

    Very good point. I hadn't thought of that aspect of it. It was really only serial from the (external) modem to the PC, and the rest was modem audio-tones over the phone wires. Probably not easy for the average joe to tap into that.



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  • From Gamgee@21:2/138 to Arelor on Fri Apr 1 22:25:00 2022
    Arelor wrote to Gamgee <=-

    No, I do not. Telnet only.

    I have noticed that many of the BBSes are telnet only. Any
    reason why we don't also do SSH and strongly suggest that people
    use it?

    I've thought about it, and probably should implement it. I guess it's
    just that there really isn't any "secret" data being transferred.

    I support both, but plan to detect if they are on telnet and
    encourage people to use SSH because it's secure.

    I may do it also, soon.

    I think that for a BBS, keeping the credentials safe would be the
    goal, rather than keeping the messages themselves safe. YOu would
    not want somebody to sniff somebody'spassword and then log in
    with his account.

    You're right, and I think you've asked me about this a while back too...

    I've now enabled SSH access (on port 2222), if you'd like to give it a try; let me know if anything is amiss.


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  • From Brian Klauss@21:3/163 to Gamgee on Fri Apr 1 21:45:00 2022
    Gamgee wrote to Nightfox <=-

    Nightfox wrote to Gamgee <=-

    Re: Re: Nightmares / Dreams
    By: Gamgee to McDoob on Thu Mar 31 2022 10:46 pm

    Sir, I would ask you to refresh your lessons on network
    vulnerability. Trust me when I say this: SSH access is root
    access, if you do it right.

    Just to hit on this previous comment by McDoob.... SSH access is root access, if you do it *WRONG*...! That's even assuming one allows SSH access to the OS, which is not what we're talking about here.

    First and foremost, disable root access via sshd_config. Second, change the port to something out there and only configure it for a specific range of IPs. Finally, set the BBS to respond to port 22. Whenever I hear people getting root hacked via an SSH exploit, I cringe. It's not the exploit, it's stupidity.


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  • From Nightfox@21:1/137 to Andre on Fri Apr 1 21:00:24 2022
    Re: Re: Nightmares / Dreams
    By: Andre to Nightfox on Fri Apr 01 2022 09:43 pm

    When you say "Synchronet's web interface", do you mean ecwebv4 or
    the old Runemaster web interface? I suspect it might not make a
    difference, but I'm not sure if that's true..

    Unless I'm talking to other Sync sysops, I just say web interface instead of webv4. I think we're far enough removed from the Runemaster version that we don't have to talk about it anymore.

    I think there are some long-time Synchronet sysops who might still be using the old Runemaster interface.

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  • From Gamgee@21:2/138 to Brian Klauss on Fri Apr 1 23:04:00 2022
    Brian Klauss wrote to Gamgee <=-

    Sir, I would ask you to refresh your lessons on network
    vulnerability. Trust me when I say this: SSH access is root
    access, if you do it right.

    Just to hit on this previous comment by McDoob.... SSH access is root access, if you do it *WRONG*...! That's even assuming one allows SSH access to the OS, which is not what we're talking about here.

    First and foremost, disable root access via sshd_config. Second,
    change the port to something out there and only configure it for
    a specific range of IPs. Finally, set the BBS to respond to port
    22. Whenever I hear people getting root hacked via an SSH
    exploit, I cringe. It's not the exploit, it's stupidity.

    Not sure why you replied to me on this. Perhaps you meant to send this
    to McDoob? Also, some of your reply doesn't make much sense. I would
    not set the BBS to respond to port 22 because I want the computer/OS to
    respond to 22 when I SSH to it from within my LAN. The BBS should be
    set to something else, such as 2222 or whatever. Oh, and it goes without saying that you don't allow root to access the box via SSH.

    Again, this is all meant to go to McDoob, as I already know this...



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  • From boraxman@21:1/101 to Spectre on Sat Apr 2 19:01:56 2022
    While I agree keeping the credentials safe is a lofty goal, mostly
    because people being people will probably use the password in more than one location. But even if someone acquires the credentials on a BBS there's not much you can do with them.. write a few messages to an echo..its not like those details can be used for anything else, unlike your email address and password.

    Spec

    With the way things are set up now, they can post using your account, using your name, very public messages.

    Sure they could do that anyway, but there is less deniability because it actually came from your account.

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  • From boraxman@21:1/101 to StormTrooper on Sat Apr 2 19:08:52 2022
    I don't agree. People just try to search for open ports, just to see what they can get. People aren't looking for something specific, the are just looking to see what is available. Any telnet session is a target.

    While that's true. I don't see anyone going out of their way to break
    into a BBS. By far the login attempts try to force, root, admin, or
    some other known default account name, it doesn't matter what password
    the attacker uses its never going to be there. Again having access to a BBS doesn't give you any particular power, or added vulnerability. It's not like you can plant some kind of trojan, add other accounts, or generally damage a BBS setup.

    ST

    No, it is a small, rather unknown target. I don't avoid using telnet for BBS's, I do it often, its just that I like the option not to do so.

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  • From Brian Klauss@21:3/163 to Gamgee on Sat Apr 2 00:48:00 2022
    Gamgee wrote to Brian Klauss <=-

    Brian Klauss wrote to Gamgee <=-

    First and foremost, disable root access via sshd_config. Second,
    change the port to something out there and only configure it for
    a specific range of IPs. Finally, set the BBS to respond to port
    22. Whenever I hear people getting root hacked via an SSH
    exploit, I cringe. It's not the exploit, it's stupidity.

    Not sure why you replied to me on this. Perhaps you meant to send this
    to McDoob? Also, some of your reply doesn't make much sense. I would
    not set the BBS to respond to port 22 because I want the computer/OS to respond to 22 when I SSH to it from within my LAN. The BBS should be
    set to something else, such as 2222 or whatever. Oh, and it goes
    without saying that you don't allow root to access the box via SSH.

    Again, this is all meant to go to McDoob, as I already know this...

    But why have an external well-known port configured elsewhere for user access? A trivial inconvenience for yourself allows for far greater reach for your users. For example, having your BBS respond on port 22 while you access your system, locally, on port 30222, ensures your users don't have to remember the port to access your system.

    Ultimately, I am always on the side of the users (customers, clients, etc.), and want to make their lives a little bit easier.


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  • From Spectre@21:3/101 to Nightfox on Sat Apr 2 16:23:00 2022
    solution is
    for newer terminal clients to learn to support UTF-8 someday.

    just checked that message of yours, and the apostrophes look good using SyncTerm, but they don't look good when using PuTTY. I suspect they may

    Its not just a terminal thing... if the underlying BBS software doesn't know UTF8, ergo any DOS based, maybe early OS/Who also, then synchterm or not its still gibberish.

    I'm using Synch over SuperBBS, and it just gives the aforementioned gibber.

    Spec


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  • From Spectre@21:3/101 to Gamgee on Sat Apr 2 16:36:00 2022
    to McDoob? Also, some of your reply doesn't make much sense. I would
    not set the BBS to respond to port 22 because I want the computer/OS to respond to 22 when I SSH to it from within my LAN. The BBS should be

    Probably a matter of semantics on how to achieve it...

    I keep the BBS on some random number port also, because I wan't local access
    to the regular port services/numbering. But I forward port 23 (telnet) for
    me, to that random numbered port at my router so its the only telnet service available to the outside world. This works nicely in that if I telnet to my external IP it comes back in to the BBS like a regular port 22 session, and
    if telnet/ssh to the local ip number I've got the regular service available
    for console work.

    If your setup was a bit different, you could have your BBS on 23 and shift
    the regular service out on a different port number. Telnet/ssh would still be available but you'd have to remember the extra port inf, and probably limit access to your local subnet only.

    Spec


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  • From Arelor@21:2/138 to Spectre on Sat Apr 2 04:45:32 2022
    Re: Re: Nightmares / Dreams
    By: Spectre to Arelor on Sat Apr 02 2022 12:28 pm

    I think that for a BBS, keeping the credentials safe would be the goal, rather than keeping the messages themselves
    safe. YOu would not want somebody to sniff somebody'spassword and then log in with his
    account.

    While I agree keeping the credentials safe is a lofty goal, mostly because people being people will probably use the
    password in more than one location. But even if someone acquires the credentials on a BBS there's not much you
    can do with them.. write a few messages to an echo..its not like those details can be used for anything else, unlike your email address and password.

    Spec


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    Worst case scenario, they steal your credentials and use your account for posting a credible terrorist threat, which would
    get the legitimate user's as swatted :-)

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  • From Arelor@21:2/138 to Gamgee on Sat Apr 2 04:47:28 2022
    Re: Re: Nightmares / Dreams
    By: Gamgee to Arelor on Fri Apr 01 2022 10:25 pm

    I think that for a BBS, keeping the credentials safe would be the
    goal, rather than keeping the messages themselves safe. YOu would
    not want somebody to sniff somebody'spassword and then log in
    with his account.

    You're right, and I think you've asked me about this a while back too...

    I've now enabled SSH access (on port 2222), if you'd like to give it a try; let me know if anything is amiss.


    Thanks a lot. I will try it next time I connect.

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  • From Spectre@21:3/101 to boraxman on Sat Apr 2 18:59:00 2022
    With the way things are set up now, they can post using your account, using your name, very public messages.

    Sure they could do that anyway, but there is less deniability because it actually came from your account.

    There was always that possibility, back in dem good ol' days it was nothing
    for some low grade moron to open up an account with your regular alias on a number of other systems and start posting rubbish...

    At the end of the day though, even thats not fatal, only vaguely injurious.

    Shrug, Spec


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  • From Spectre@21:3/101 to Brian Klauss on Sat Apr 2 19:13:00 2022
    But why have an external well-known port configured elsewhere for user access? A trivial inconvenience for yourself allows for far greater
    reach for your users. For example, having your BBS respond on port
    22 while you access your system, locally, on port 30222, ensures
    your users don't have to remember the port to access your system.

    With the right setup you should be able to have it both ways.. everyone thinking all services are on the same port... users arrive on the remote IP
    on the usual port, and local network arrive on the local IP at the assigned port.

    Ultimately, I am always on the side of the users (customers, clients, etc.), and want to make their lives a little bit easier.

    I'm with you there, the more normalised everything is, the more likely the vaguely technical are to use it as well as the long termers who are on the ball.

    Spec


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  • From StormTrooper@21:2/108 to boraxman on Sat Apr 2 10:30:58 2022
    No, it is a small, rather unknown target. I don't avoid using telnet for BBS's, I do it often, its just that I like the option not to do so.

    I feel given that lot its pretty much a non issue. If it was you'd make the choice of using SSH capable system exclusively.

    ST

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  • From Spectre@21:3/101 to Arelor on Sat Apr 2 20:39:00 2022
    Worst case scenario, they steal your credentials and use your account for posting a credible terrorist threat, which would get the legitimate
    user's as swatted :-)

    While I concede that it possible... so is a car accident... or breaking your neck next time you ride a horse... it seems pretty unlikely. I think you'd be looking for a FacePlant account to do that kinda thing. I'm not sure the NSA are looking at BBS echo's or forums...

    Spec


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  • From Andre@21:3/117 to Spectre on Sat Apr 2 08:12:58 2022
    Its a known ipad/iphone problem. The Millionaire has the same issue.

    But it's really much of a problem. Is it the correct character to use, no. But some BBS software and clients not supporting UTF-8 and displaying the characters correctly isn't Apple's problem.

    For Synchronet and SyncTERM users, they can't tell the difference.


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  • From Arelor@21:2/138 to Spectre on Sat Apr 2 08:13:52 2022
    Re: Re: Nightmares / Dreams
    By: Spectre to Arelor on Sat Apr 02 2022 08:39 pm

    Worst case scenario, they steal your credentials and use your account f posting a credible terrorist threat, which would get the legitimate user's as swatted :-)

    While I concede that it possible... so is a car accident... or breaking your neck next time you ride a horse... it seems pretty unlikely. I think you'd b looking for a FacePlant account to do that kinda thing. I'm not sure the NSA are looking at BBS echo's or forums...

    Spec



    The NSA may not be looking at BBS (which is already a big assumption) but it only takes a sysop to believe the post is real to report it :-)

    Also, my family thinks it is more likely for me to break my neck next time a mare rides *me* than the other way around.

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  • From Andre@21:3/117 to Spectre on Sat Apr 2 08:20:26 2022
    Its not just a terminal thing... if the underlying BBS software doesn't know UTF8, ergo any DOS based, maybe early OS/Who also, then synchterm or not its still gibberish.

    Oh well. There are idiosyncrasies with using old hardware and/or old software. If someone wants to run an old BBS on a C64, or if I recap my old Compaq and run WWIV 4.22 on it, then some things are going to be incompatible with the last 30 years of improvements.


    - Andre
    --- SBBSecho 3.15-Linux
    * Origin: Radio Mentor BBS - bbs.radiomentor.org (21:3/117)
  • From 2twisty@21:3/166 to Nightfox on Sat Apr 2 08:50:22 2022
    just checked that message of yours, and the apostrophes look good using SyncTerm, but they don't look good when using PuTTY. I suspect they may

    Interesting. They looked messed up to me and I'm on Syncterm.

    Is there a setting somewhere I need to adjust, or is it just another symptom of my bizarrely-bastard copy of Syncterm (I can't paste with mouse or ctrl-ins).

    --- Mystic BBS v1.12 A47 2021/12/24 (Linux/64)
    * Origin: The Ratrace Losers (21:3/166)
  • From Andre@21:3/117 to 2twisty on Sat Apr 2 09:54:04 2022
    Interesting. They looked messed up to me and I'm on Syncterm.

    Is there a setting somewhere I need to adjust, or is it just another symptom of my bizarrely-bastard copy of Syncterm (I can't paste with mouse or ctrl-ins).

    Underlying BBS has to understand UTF-8 also, and AFAIK Mystic does not.


    - Andre
    --- SBBSecho 3.15-Linux
    * Origin: Radio Mentor BBS - bbs.radiomentor.org (21:3/117)
  • From 2twisty@21:3/166 to Spectre on Sat Apr 2 09:06:02 2022
    I keep the BBS on some random number port also, because I wan't local access to the regular port services/numbering. But I forward port 23 (telnet) for me, to that random numbered port at my router so its the
    only telnet service available to the outside world. This works nicely in that if I telnet to my external IP it comes back in to the BBS like a regular port 22 session, and if telnet/ssh to the local ip number I've
    got the regular service available for console work.

    On my network, the BBS is on 2222/2323 for ssh/telnet. In my router, I forward 22 -> 2222 and 23 -> 2323 so that fom outside, I am on standard ports, making it easy for users.

    I also forward 2222 -> 2222 and 2323 -> 2323. Since my terminal software is configged on 2222/2323 for interal access, I forward these in case I was away from home with my laptop and didnt want to change the port setting in Syncterm. Yeah -- this one is purely a laziness move :)

    --- Mystic BBS v1.12 A47 2021/12/24 (Linux/64)
    * Origin: The Ratrace Losers (21:3/166)
  • From 2twisty@21:3/166 to Arelor on Sat Apr 2 09:13:00 2022
    Worst case scenario, they steal your credentials and use your account for posting a credible terrorist threat, which would
    get the legitimate user's as swatted :-)

    There are other concerns as well. There are social implications.

    Back in 1990 when I was 16 and a new sysop, I made the mistake of using the same password on a few BBSes. Someone from a rival local net logged into my local net's hub AS ME and downloaded the contents of our private local net sysop echo.

    They then leaked it to the rival net. I was accused of leaking said info an kicked out of my local net.

    Thankfully, the perpetrator made a similar mistake as I had and I was able to find the evidence to prove my innocence and get myself reinstated in my local net.

    --- Mystic BBS v1.12 A47 2021/12/24 (Linux/64)
    * Origin: The Ratrace Losers (21:3/166)
  • From Andre@21:3/117 to 2twisty on Sat Apr 2 10:14:32 2022
    On my network, the BBS is on 2222/2323 for ssh/telnet. In my router, I forward 22 -> 2222 and 23 -> 2323 so that fom outside, I am on standard ports, making it easy for users.

    I also forward 2222 -> 2222 and 2323 -> 2323. Since my terminal software is configged on 2222/2323 for interal access, I forward these in case I was away from home with my laptop and didnt want to change the port setting in Syncterm. Yeah -- this one is purely a laziness move :)

    That has the added benefit of not needing to start the BBS as a privileged user since it's a high port (above 1024). One less thing to deal with, since I'm sure a lot of sysops get confused by it and end up running the BBS as root.

    - Andre
    --- SBBSecho 3.15-Linux
    * Origin: Radio Mentor BBS - bbs.radiomentor.org (21:3/117)
  • From McDoob@21:4/135 to Spectre on Sat Apr 2 11:21:52 2022
    its not like those details can be used for anything else, unlike
    your email address and password.

    *quietly changes his email password* (>_>) (o_o) (>_>)

    McDoob
    SysOp, PiBBS
    pibbs.sytes.net

    ... If you can't make it good, make it LOOK good. -Bill Gates.

    --- Mystic BBS v1.12 A47 2021/12/24 (Raspberry Pi/32)
    * Origin: PiBBS (21:4/135)
  • From 2twisty@21:3/166 to Andre on Sat Apr 2 09:21:58 2022
    That has the added benefit of not needing to start the BBS as a
    privileged user since it's a high port (above 1024). One less thing to deal with, since I'm sure a lot of sysops get confused by it and end up running the BBS as root.

    ...and therefore believe that SSH == root access.

    I launch mu bbs with

    sudo -u unprivuser /mystic/mis daemon

    Same thing with the MRC python script. None of this BBS stuff runs as root. If I needed more privs, I'd make another user account with just enough privs to do the job.

    Its the principle of least access. Security 101.

    --- Mystic BBS v1.12 A47 2021/12/24 (Linux/64)
    * Origin: The Ratrace Losers (21:3/166)
  • From McDoob@21:4/135 to Gamgee on Sat Apr 2 11:25:32 2022
    Absolutely. McDoob does not seem to understand this. Maybe enough people have told him how wrong he is now, and he'll make an effort to gain some clues. Maybe not.

    Itª€™s official, youª€™ve lost your mind. Thereª€™s no way he
    thinks heª€™s wrong about this.

    You're probably right (on your second sentence), unfortunately. Oh
    well, at least everybody else knows he's wrong. :-)

    If everyone else *knows* the sky is neon green, it doesn't make it fact. I'm specifically choosing not to waste my time on this continuation of hostility. Make of that what you wish.

    McDoob
    SysOp, PiBBS
    pibbs.sytes.net

    ... Confucius say: "Its stuffy inside fortune cookie"

    --- Mystic BBS v1.12 A47 2021/12/24 (Raspberry Pi/32)
    * Origin: PiBBS (21:4/135)
  • From Andre@21:3/117 to 2twisty on Sat Apr 2 10:37:26 2022
    I launch mu bbs with
    sudo -u unprivuser /mystic/mis daemon

    Same thing with the MRC python script. None of this BBS stuff runs as root. If I needed more privs, I'd make another user account with just enough privs to do the job.

    Sync has a similar way to run as non priviledged. For any modern linux system it's three lines of config changes.


    Defining which users (in sbbs.ini) to run as: http://wiki.synchro.net/config:nix

    Starting it automatically on Linux as non-root: http://wiki.synchro.net/howto:linux_non-root



    - Andre
    --- SBBSecho 3.15-Linux
    * Origin: Radio Mentor BBS - bbs.radiomentor.org (21:3/117)
  • From Gamgee@21:2/138 to Brian Klauss on Sat Apr 2 10:14:00 2022
    Brian Klauss wrote to Gamgee <=-

    First and foremost, disable root access via sshd_config. Second,
    change the port to something out there and only configure it for
    a specific range of IPs. Finally, set the BBS to respond to port
    22. Whenever I hear people getting root hacked via an SSH
    exploit, I cringe. It's not the exploit, it's stupidity.

    Not sure why you replied to me on this. Perhaps you meant to send this
    to McDoob? Also, some of your reply doesn't make much sense. I would
    not set the BBS to respond to port 22 because I want the computer/OS to respond to 22 when I SSH to it from within my LAN. The BBS should be
    set to something else, such as 2222 or whatever. Oh, and it goes
    without saying that you don't allow root to access the box via SSH.

    But why have an external well-known port configured elsewhere for
    user access? A trivial inconvenience for yourself allows for far
    greater reach for your users. For example, having your BBS
    respond on port 22 while you access your system, locally, on port
    30222, ensures your users don't have to remember the port to
    access your system.

    It's a very simple answer: Dialing Directory. By that I mean that any
    decent terminal app (SyncTerm, NetRunner) has a dialing directory to
    store the BBS names in, and the desired port number is stored there too.
    Once you enter it, it becomes a non-factor.

    Ultimately, I am always on the side of the users (customers,
    clients, etc.), and want to make their lives a little bit easier.

    That's nice.


    ... So easy, a child could do it. Child sold separately.
    === MultiMail/Linux v0.52
    --- SBBSecho 3.15-Linux
    * Origin: Palantir * palantirbbs.ddns.net * Pensacola, FL * (21:2/138)
  • From Gamgee@21:2/138 to Spectre on Sat Apr 2 10:17:00 2022
    Spectre wrote to Gamgee <=-

    I keep the BBS on some random number port also, because I wan't
    local access to the regular port services/numbering. But I
    forward port 23 (telnet) for me, to that random numbered port at
    my router so its the only telnet service available to the outside
    world. This works nicely in that if I telnet to my external IP it
    comes back in to the BBS like a regular port 22 session, and if
    telnet/ssh to the local ip number I've got the regular service
    available for console work.

    Not quite sure I follow all that, but OK.

    If your setup was a bit different, you could have your BBS on 23
    and shift the regular service out on a different port number.
    Telnet/ssh would still be available but you'd have to remember
    the extra port inf, and probably limit access to your local
    subnet only.

    I do keep my BBS telnet access on 23. The reason I don't want to do
    that with SSH/22 is because I want to use SSH/22 for internal/LAN access
    to the BBS machine. I don't have any need for local telnet/23 access.



    ... All the easy problems have been solved.
    === MultiMail/Linux v0.52
    --- SBBSecho 3.15-Linux
    * Origin: Palantir * palantirbbs.ddns.net * Pensacola, FL * (21:2/138)
  • From Gamgee@21:2/138 to 2twisty on Sat Apr 2 11:35:00 2022
    2twisty wrote to Andre <=-

    That has the added benefit of not needing to start the BBS as a
    privileged user since it's a high port (above 1024). One less thing to deal with, since I'm sure a lot of sysops get confused by it and end up running the BBS as root.

    ...and therefore believe that SSH == root access.

    Yep. McNoob.... are you listening? Do you run your BBS as root? LOL


    ... Pros are those who do their jobs well, even when they don't feel like it. === MultiMail/Linux v0.52
    --- SBBSecho 3.15-Linux
    * Origin: Palantir * palantirbbs.ddns.net * Pensacola, FL * (21:2/138)
  • From 2twisty@21:3/166 to Gamgee on Sat Apr 2 10:39:42 2022
    On 02 Apr 2022, Gamgee said the following...
    I do keep my BBS telnet access on 23. The reason I don't want to do
    that with SSH/22 is because I want to use SSH/22 for internal/LAN access to the BBS machine. I don't have any need for local telnet/23 access.

    Then on your router, forward 22 external to 2222 internal. Thats what I do.

    I do the same for telnet on 2323, this way the BBS software doesn't need root access of any kind to open those ports.

    --- Mystic BBS v1.12 A47 2021/12/24 (Linux/64)
    * Origin: The Ratrace Losers (21:3/166)
  • From 2twisty@21:3/166 to Gamgee on Sat Apr 2 10:41:26 2022
    Yep. McNoob.... are you listening? Do you run your BBS as root? LOL

    You sure do love to poke that bear, lol.

    From my conversations with him, i beleve he is not running as root.

    --- Mystic BBS v1.12 A47 2021/12/24 (Linux/64)
    * Origin: The Ratrace Losers (21:3/166)
  • From Gamgee@21:2/138 to 2twisty on Sat Apr 2 11:51:00 2022
    2twisty wrote to Gamgee <=-

    Yep. McNoob.... are you listening? Do you run your BBS as root? LOL

    You sure do love to poke that bear, lol.

    Just giving back what I get from him... :-) He's previously
    demonstrated that his Linux knowledge is....... questionable....

    From my conversations with him, i beleve he is not running as
    root.

    Perhaps not, but somehow he believes that SSH access = Root access, and
    that would be one explanation as to why he believes that. Will be
    interesting to see if he answers the question or not.


    ... He does the work of 3 Men...Moe, Larry & Curly
    === MultiMail/Linux v0.52
    --- SBBSecho 3.15-Linux
    * Origin: Palantir * palantirbbs.ddns.net * Pensacola, FL * (21:2/138)
  • From Gamgee@21:2/138 to 2twisty on Sat Apr 2 11:57:00 2022
    2twisty wrote to Gamgee <=-

    On 02 Apr 2022, Gamgee said the following...
    I do keep my BBS telnet access on 23. The reason I don't want to do
    that with SSH/22 is because I want to use SSH/22 for internal/LAN access to the BBS machine. I don't have any need for local telnet/23 access.

    Then on your router, forward 22 external to 2222 internal. Thats
    what I do.

    Okay, I can see that being handy.

    I do the same for telnet on 2323, this way the BBS software
    doesn't need root access of any kind to open those ports.

    Yes. There are other ways to avoid that though, too. With Synchronet,
    I start the BBS with this command: 'sudo -E ./sbbs syslog', run as a
    normal user. In the Synchronet config, there is a place to define the user/group that the BBS runs as. This allows the BBS to open the ports (because of the 'sudo'), but then immediately fall back to running as a
    normal user. Synchronet can also be compiled with the 'setcap' command
    to grant the ability for the binary to open ports as a normal user.


    ... Press any key to continue or any other key to quit
    === MultiMail/Linux v0.52
    --- SBBSecho 3.15-Linux
    * Origin: Palantir * palantirbbs.ddns.net * Pensacola, FL * (21:2/138)
  • From McDoob@21:4/135 to Gamgee on Sat Apr 2 13:05:22 2022
    That has the added benefit of not needing to start the BBS as a privileged user since it's a high port (above 1024). One less thing t deal with, since I'm sure a lot of sysops get confused by it and end running the BBS as root.

    ...and therefore believe that SSH == root access.

    Yep. McNoob.... are you listening? Do you run your BBS as root? LOL

    *continues pointedly not responding to hostility*

    McDoob
    SysOp, PiBBS
    pibbs.sytes.net

    ... A Meteor is an example of a rock star.

    --- Mystic BBS v1.12 A47 2021/12/24 (Raspberry Pi/32)
    * Origin: PiBBS (21:4/135)
  • From 2twisty@21:3/166 to Gamgee on Sat Apr 2 11:06:58 2022
    user/group that the BBS runs as. This allows the BBS to open the ports (because of the 'sudo'), but then immediately fall back to running as a normal user. Synchronet can also be compiled with the 'setcap' command

    If you launch anything with SUDO as root, you have to TRUST that the software drops back.

    Has that code been audited?

    I wouls still worry that since the binary is started as root, there is a path (albeit maybe VERY difficult) to crash the app, corrupt RAM and execute arbitrary code.

    I prefer to launch all externally excessible stuff as unpriv users if at all possible.

    So I'd go for the recompile or just run with port >1024.

    --- Mystic BBS v1.12 A47 2021/12/24 (Linux/64)
    * Origin: The Ratrace Losers (21:3/166)
  • From McDoob@21:4/135 to Gamgee on Sat Apr 2 13:15:18 2022
    Yep. McNoob.... are you listening? Do you run your BBS as root? LO

    You sure do love to poke that bear, lol.

    Just giving back what I get from him... :-) He's previously demonstrated that his Linux knowledge is....... questionable....

    Please continue underestimating me.


    From my conversations with him, i beleve he is not running as
    root.

    Perhaps not, but somehow he believes that SSH access = Root access, and that would be one explanation as to why he believes that. Will be interesting to see if he answers the question or not.

    If you were to drop the hostility, I'd be more than happy to respond. Continue being a jerk, and you will continue in ignorance. There's a whole bunch of othernets where being a jerk is commonplace, and/or encouraged.

    fsxNet isn't one of them. You have been informed of this repeatedly.

    McDoob
    SysOp, PiBBS
    pibbs.sytes.net

    ... Honk if you love peace and quiet!

    --- Mystic BBS v1.12 A47 2021/12/24 (Raspberry Pi/32)
    * Origin: PiBBS (21:4/135)
  • From Nightfox@21:1/137 to 2twisty on Sat Apr 2 13:30:20 2022
    Re: Re: Nightmares / Dreams
    By: 2twisty to Nightfox on Sat Apr 02 2022 08:50 am

    just checked that message of yours, and the apostrophes look good
    using SyncTerm, but they don't look good when using PuTTY. I
    suspect they may

    Interesting. They looked messed up to me and I'm on Syncterm.

    Is there a setting somewhere I need to adjust, or is it just another symptom of my bizarrely-bastard copy of Syncterm (I can't paste with mouse or ctrl-ins).

    There's no setting that I know of.

    Others have said the BBS also has to support UTF-8, and if it doesn't, then it would look garbled on SyncTerm too.

    Nightfox
    --- SBBSecho 3.15-Win32
    * Origin: Digital Distortion: digdist.synchro.net (21:1/137)
  • From Gamgee@21:2/138 to McDoob on Sat Apr 2 15:24:00 2022
    McDoob wrote to Gamgee <=-

    That has the added benefit of not needing to start the BBS as a privileged user since it's a high port (above 1024). One less thing t deal with, since I'm sure a lot of sysops get confused by it and end running the BBS as root.

    ...and therefore believe that SSH == root access.

    Yep. McNoob.... are you listening? Do you run your BBS as root? LOL

    *continues pointedly not responding to hostility*

    Hostility? Where? How much dope have you smoked today? Sheesh. Get a
    grip on reality, willya?



    ... Ignorance can be cured. Stupid is forever.
    === MultiMail/Linux v0.52
    --- SBBSecho 3.15-Linux
    * Origin: Palantir * palantirbbs.ddns.net * Pensacola, FL * (21:2/138)
  • From Gamgee@21:2/138 to 2twisty on Sat Apr 2 15:29:00 2022
    2twisty wrote to Gamgee <=-

    user/group that the BBS runs as. This allows the BBS to open the ports (because of the 'sudo'), but then immediately fall back to running as a normal user. Synchronet can also be compiled with the 'setcap' command

    If you launch anything with SUDO as root, you have to TRUST that
    the software drops back.

    Yep, and I do. I also have verified that with tools such as 'ps' and
    'htop', and the BBS logs themselves.

    Has that code been audited?

    It's open source, and I trust the author. So yes.

    I wouls still worry that since the binary is started as root,
    there is a path (albeit maybe VERY difficult) to crash the app,
    corrupt RAM and execute arbitrary code.

    I don't worry about that, not even a little bit.

    I prefer to launch all externally excessible stuff as unpriv
    users if at all possible.

    Well, as a general rule, yes. And it is possible with the software
    being discussed, as referenced above with the 'setcap' command.

    So I'd go for the recompile or just run with port >1024.

    I recompile it frequently, as it is under continuous (daily)
    development. Also the author is extremely accessible and often fixes
    bugs or adds features on-the-spot (literally) as it's discussed in the
    IRC channel where he is an active participant.


    ... Toto, I don't think we're in DOS any more...
    === MultiMail/Linux v0.52
    --- SBBSecho 3.15-Linux
    * Origin: Palantir * palantirbbs.ddns.net * Pensacola, FL * (21:2/138)
  • From Gamgee@21:2/138 to McDoob on Sat Apr 2 15:33:00 2022
    McDoob wrote to Gamgee <=-

    Yep. McNoob.... are you listening? Do you run your BBS as root? LO

    You sure do love to poke that bear, lol.

    Just giving back what I get from him... :-) He's previously
    demonstrated that his Linux knowledge is....... questionable....

    Please continue underestimating me.

    Haha, OK! But..... from what we've all seen here, I don't think I am.

    From my conversations with him, i beleve he is not running as
    root.

    Perhaps not, but somehow he believes that SSH access = Root access, and that would be one explanation as to why he believes that. Will be interesting to see if he answers the question or not.

    If you were to drop the hostility, I'd be more than happy to
    respond. Continue being a jerk, and you will continue in
    ignorance.

    Well, I don't really care that much, so whatever. As stated in another
    post a minute ago, I'm not doing anything "hostile". Certainly not in
    the same category as what you were doing to me only a day or two ago.
    Not so much fun when it comes back at you, is it?

    Are you ready yet to acknowledge that you're wrong when you state "SSH
    access = Root access"?



    ... Facts cannot prevail against faith, or adamant folly.
    === MultiMail/Linux v0.52
    --- SBBSecho 3.15-Linux
    * Origin: Palantir * palantirbbs.ddns.net * Pensacola, FL * (21:2/138)
  • From McDoob@21:4/135 to Gamgee on Sat Apr 2 16:41:02 2022
    Yep. McNoob.... are you listening? Do you run your BBS as root? LO

    *continues pointedly not responding to hostility*

    Hostility? Where? How much dope have you smoked today? Sheesh. Get a grip on reality, willya?

    *continues continuing to pointedly not respond to hostility...*

    McDoob
    SysOp, PiBBS
    pibbs.sytes.net

    ... A Meteor is an example of a rock star.

    --- Mystic BBS v1.12 A47 2021/12/24 (Raspberry Pi/32)
    * Origin: PiBBS (21:4/135)
  • From McDoob@21:4/135 to Gamgee on Sat Apr 2 16:57:46 2022
    Yep. McNoob.... are you listening? Do you run your BBS as root

    You sure do love to poke that bear, lol.

    Just giving back what I get from him... :-) He's previously demonstrated that his Linux knowledge is....... questionable....

    Please continue underestimating me.

    Haha, OK! But..... from what we've all seen here, I don't think I am.

    From what we've all seen here, you've no intent for constructive conversation with me, you just pretend to.

    If you were to drop the hostility, I'd be more than happy to
    respond. Continue being a jerk, and you will continue in
    ignorance.

    Well, I don't really care that much, so whatever.

    Of course. By now, you must be used to continuing in this state.

    As stated in another post a minute ago, I'm not doing anything "hostile".

    You could state that the sky is green, or the earth flat, or that people actually like you, but that wouldn't make any of these statements fact.

    Certainly not in
    the same category as what you were doing to me only a day or two ago.

    Certainly not in the same category *at all*! I made one sarcastic reference, a day or two ago, and you've been browbeating me ever since, over *several* different threads.

    Not so much fun when it comes back at you, is it?

    Whatever do you mean? I'm very entertained by watching you make a fool of yourself.

    Are you ready yet to acknowledge that you're wrong when you state "SSH access = Root access"?

    Forget ready, are you even *willing* to consider that I'm not? Or do you already know everything, and any time someone disagrees, they must clearly be wrong?

    I mean, someone else pointed out a clue, previously. But, then again, you just turned that into another personal attack on me. And you wonder why I continue to refuse to continue the conversation? (o_O)

    McDoob
    SysOp, PiBBS
    pibbs.sytes.net

    ... Press any key to continue or any other key to quit...

    --- Mystic BBS v1.12 A47 2021/12/24 (Raspberry Pi/32)
    * Origin: PiBBS (21:4/135)
  • From Andre@21:3/117 to McDoob on Sat Apr 2 16:15:46 2022
    Whatever do you mean? I'm very entertained by watching you make a fool of yourself.

    To be fair, you both look like idiots with the constant back and forth.


    - Andre
    --- SBBSecho 3.15-Linux
    * Origin: Radio Mentor BBS - bbs.radiomentor.org (21:3/117)
  • From McDoob@21:4/135 to Andre on Sat Apr 2 17:27:50 2022
    Whatever do you mean? I'm very entertained by watching you make a foo yourself.

    To be fair, you both look like idiots with the constant back and forth.

    I'm aware.

    I've tried more than once to move away from this. However, it is difficult for me to sit silent when someone continues to attack me.

    McDoob
    SysOp, PiBBS
    pibbs.sytes.net

    ... Do vegetarians eat animal crackers?

    --- Mystic BBS v1.12 A47 2021/12/24 (Raspberry Pi/32)
    * Origin: PiBBS (21:4/135)
  • From Andre@21:3/117 to McDoob on Sat Apr 2 16:47:38 2022
    I've tried more than once to move away from this. However, it is difficult for me to sit silent when someone continues to attack me.

    Be the change you want to see in the world. :D


    - Andre
    --- SBBSecho 3.15-Linux
    * Origin: Radio Mentor BBS - bbs.radiomentor.org (21:3/117)
  • From McDoob@21:4/135 to Andre on Sat Apr 2 17:55:52 2022
    I've tried more than once to move away from this. However, it is difficu for me to sit silent when someone continues to attack me.

    Be the change you want to see in the world. :D

    I hardly have the patience of Mahatma Ghandi, but I will try. Thank you sir.

    McDoob
    SysOp, PiBBS
    pibbs.sytes.net

    ... I'd love to help you out. Which way did you come in?

    --- Mystic BBS v1.12 A47 2021/12/24 (Raspberry Pi/32)
    * Origin: PiBBS (21:4/135)
  • From Spectre@21:3/101 to Andre on Sun Apr 3 10:22:00 2022
    For Synchronet and SyncTERM users, they can't tell the difference.

    Bzzzzt, Syncterm is only as good as what is sending the data, any legacy
    system will have issues with it. I'm using Synch by get only gibberish..
    ASCII forever! :P

    Spec


    *** THE READER V4.50 [freeware]
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    * Origin: The future's uncertain, the end is always near. (21:3/101)
  • From Spectre@21:3/101 to Andre on Sun Apr 3 10:25:00 2022
    Oh well. There are idiosyncrasies with using old hardware and/or old software. If someone wants to run an old BBS on a C64, or if I recap my old Compaq and run WWIV 4.22 on it, then some things are going to be incompatible with the last 30 years of improvements.

    And right there we have to diverge... I'm not so certain UTF8 is any kind of improvement...

    Spec


    *** THE READER V4.50 [freeware]
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  • From Spectre@21:3/101 to McDoob on Sun Apr 3 10:39:00 2022
    I hardly have the patience of Mahatma Ghandi, but I will try. Thank you

    Forget Mahatma channel your inner Dalai Llama :P

    Spec


    *** THE READER V4.50 [freeware]
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  • From Andre@21:3/117 to Spectre on Sat Apr 2 20:16:40 2022
    Bzzzzt, Syncterm is only as good as what is sending the data, any legacy

    Yes, that's what I said. When you use Synchronet with SyncTERM, you don't have the problem.


    - Andre
    --- SBBSecho 3.15-Linux
    * Origin: Radio Mentor BBS - bbs.radiomentor.org (21:3/117)
  • From Gamgee@21:2/138 to McDoob on Sat Apr 2 22:28:00 2022
    McDoob wrote to Gamgee <=-

    Are you ready yet to acknowledge that you're wrong when you state "SSH access = Root access"?

    Forget ready, are you even *willing* to consider that I'm not? Or
    do you already know everything, and any time someone disagrees,
    they must clearly be wrong?

    None of that matters. The fact is, you are wrong, but can't admit it.

    Stop wasting my time.



    ... Facts cannot prevail against faith, or adamant folly.
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  • From Gamgee@21:2/138 to McDoob on Sat Apr 2 22:40:00 2022
    McDoob wrote to Andre <=-

    I've tried more than once to move away from this.

    Really? It's quite easy to go back and look at the messages' time
    stamps, and see that even when I stopped posting for two days, you
    put out several messages intended solely to provoke/insult me,
    disguised by your false sense of "humour". Is that what you consider
    moving away from this?

    However, it is difficult for me to sit silent when someone
    continues to attack me.

    Nobody is "attacking" you. What I *AM* doing is calling out your
    attacks, and identifying your lies. It's understandable that you
    don't like that, but don't twist things around to make it appear
    that you're not doing anything. It's very clear that you are.


    ... Facts cannot prevail against faith, or adamant folly.
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  • From Zip@21:1/202 to 2twisty on Sun Apr 3 10:45:50 2022
    Hello 2twisty!

    On 02 Apr 2022, 2twisty said the following...
    I do the same for telnet on 2323, this way the BBS software doesn't need root access of any kind to open those ports.

    For those of you who are using systemd to launch the BBS software, there is a capability setting which can be added to the systemd unit file, which grants the program the ability to bind to privileged ports:

    [Service]
    AmbientCapabilities=CAP_NET_BIND_SERVICE

    Best regards
    Zip

    --- Mystic BBS v1.12 A48 2022/03/26 (Linux/64)
    * Origin: Star Collision BBS, Uppsala, Sweden (21:1/202)
  • From McDoob@21:4/135 to Gamgee on Sun Apr 3 07:17:46 2022
    Forget ready, are you even *willing* to consider that I'm not? Or
    do you already know everything, and any time someone disagrees,
    they must clearly be wrong?

    None of that matters. The fact is, you are wrong, but can't admit it.

    Stop wasting my time.

    The only person wasting your time is yourself.

    McDoob
    SysOp, PiBBS
    pibbs.sytes.net

    ... Help! I can't find the "ANY" key.

    --- Mystic BBS v1.12 A47 2021/12/24 (Raspberry Pi/32)
    * Origin: PiBBS (21:4/135)
  • From McDoob@21:4/135 to Gamgee on Sun Apr 3 07:19:36 2022
    I've tried more than once to move away from this.

    Really? It's quite easy to go back and look at the messages' time
    stamps, and see that even when I stopped posting for two days, you
    put out several messages intended solely to provoke/insult me,
    disguised by your false sense of "humour". Is that what you consider moving away from this?

    However, it is difficult for me to sit silent when someone
    continues to attack me.

    Nobody is "attacking" you. What I *AM* doing is calling out your
    attacks, and identifying your lies. It's understandable that you
    don't like that, but don't twist things around to make it appear
    that you're not doing anything. It's very clear that you are.

    The only person wasting your time is yourself.

    McDoob
    SysOp, PiBBS
    pibbs.sytes.net

    ... How do I set my laser printer to stun?

    --- Mystic BBS v1.12 A47 2021/12/24 (Raspberry Pi/32)
    * Origin: PiBBS (21:4/135)
  • From McDoob@21:4/135 to Zip on Sun Apr 3 07:21:06 2022
    For those of you who are using systemd to launch the BBS software, there is a capability setting which can be added to the systemd unit file,
    which grants the program the ability to bind to privileged ports:

    [Service]
    AmbientCapabilities=CAP_NET_BIND_SERVICE

    That might be useful. Thanks.

    McDoob
    SysOp, PiBBS
    pibbs.sytes.net

    ... Condense soup, not books!

    --- Mystic BBS v1.12 A47 2021/12/24 (Raspberry Pi/32)
    * Origin: PiBBS (21:4/135)
  • From StormTrooper@21:2/108 to McDoob on Sun Apr 3 11:55:20 2022
    If everyone else *knows* the sky is neon green, it doesn't make it fact.

    It might if the sky is in fact neon green. After all neon green is simply a label... todays sky blue might be tomorrows neon green... :P

    Spec

    --- Mystic BBS v1.12 A46 2020/08/26 (Linux/64)
    * Origin: Storm BBS (21:2/108)
  • From McDoob@21:4/135 to StormTrooper on Sun Apr 3 08:18:10 2022
    If everyone else *knows* the sky is neon green, it doesn't make it fa

    It might if the sky is in fact neon green. After all neon green is
    simply a label... todays sky blue might be tomorrows neon green... :P

    *so*
    *many*
    *facepalms*

    Wise guy. (-_-)

    McDoob
    SysOp, PiBBS
    pibbs.sytes.net

    ... ASCII stupid question, get a stupid ANSI.

    --- Mystic BBS v1.12 A47 2021/12/24 (Raspberry Pi/32)
    * Origin: PiBBS (21:4/135)
  • From Utopian Galt@21:4/108 to Nightfox on Sat Apr 2 16:52:14 2022
    BY: Nightfox(21:1/137)


    When you say "Synchronet's web interface", do you mean ecwebv4 or the
    old Runemaster web interface? I suspect it might not make a difference,
    but I'm not sure if that's true..
    I like the ecweb4 the file listings are pretty nice.


    --- WWIV 5.5.1.3261
    * Origin: inland utopia * california * iutopia.duckdns.org:2023 (21:4/108)
  • From Gamgee@21:2/138 to McDoob on Sun Apr 3 20:15:00 2022
    McDoob wrote to Zip <=-

    For those of you who are using systemd to launch the BBS software, there is a capability setting which can be added to the systemd unit file,
    which grants the program the ability to bind to privileged ports:

    [Service]
    AmbientCapabilities=CAP_NET_BIND_SERVICE

    That might be useful. Thanks.

    So, you *DO* run your BBS as root. Gotcha.

    That also explains why you think SSH access == Root access.

    HAR!


    ... Ignorance can be cured. Stupid is forever.
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  • From McDoob@21:4/135 to Gamgee on Sun Apr 3 21:32:02 2022
    On 03 Apr 2022, Gamgee said the following...

    McDoob wrote to Zip <=-

    For those of you who are using systemd to launch the BBS software, th is a capability setting which can be added to the systemd unit file, which grants the program the ability to bind to privileged ports:

    [Service]
    AmbientCapabilities=CAP_NET_BIND_SERVICE

    That might be useful. Thanks.

    So, you *DO* run your BBS as root. Gotcha.

    That also explains why you think SSH access == Root access.

    HAR!


    ... Ignorance can be cured. Stupid is forever.
    === MultiMail/Linux v0.52
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    The only one wasting your time is yourself.

    All I'm doing is copy-pasta.
    I literally didn't read your message.

    McDoob
    SysOp, PiBBS
    pibbs.sytes.net

    ... Multitasking: Reading in the bathroom

    --- Mystic BBS v1.12 A47 2021/12/24 (Raspberry Pi/32)
    * Origin: PiBBS (21:4/135)
  • From echicken@21:1/164 to Andre on Mon Apr 4 13:17:10 2022
    Re: Re: Nightmares / Dreams
    By: Andre to Spectre on Sat Apr 02 2022 20:16:41

    Bzzzzt, Syncterm is only as good as what is sending the data, any
    legacy

    Yes, that's what I said. When you use Synchronet with SyncTERM, you don't have the problem.

    I'll only add translation of encoding *upon posting* to webv4 if the BBS can tell me that a message area requires it, and if the BBS won't do it for me. My preference is to alter the original content only when necessary, and then at the last possible moment.

    There may be other steps I need to take, like adding metadata to the message to identify its encoding, but I'm pretty sure Synchronet already does that for me.

    In an ideal dreamworld the message would be saved raw and untranslated and only mutated as needed. This would happen at one of these stages, by order of preference:

    1) By the client prior to display to the user
    2) By the BBS prior to sending to the client
    3) By the BBS when saving/importing the message
    4) By the uplink prior to sending to the BBS
    5) By the originating system prior to exporting to the network
    6) By the originating system prior to saving the message
    7) By the client prior to posting the message

    I get that steps 1 and 2 may not be achievable, that steps 3 and 4 are unlikely, and that leaves people using older software in the lurch, but meh. I don't want to pander to the lowest common denominator just to avoid the odd garbled character.

    I'd prefer that systems not alter my words if at all possible, and that they be displayed in their original form whenever possible.

    ---
    echicken
    electronic chicken bbs - bbs.electronicchicken.com
    * Origin: electronic chicken bbs - bbs.electronicchicken.com (21:1/164)
  • From Andre@21:3/117 to echicken on Mon Apr 4 09:35:22 2022

    I'll only add translation of encoding *upon posting* to webv4 if the BBS can tell me that a message area requires it, and if the BBS won't do it for me. My preference is to alter the original content only when necessary, and then at the last possible moment.

    DM already told me GFY on my gitlab issue. :)

    He said, and I agree, so see why things aren't working on Mystic, if that's the case, and address it there.

    But the correct path would more likely be to use the only-ASCII flag for exporting certain echos.

    So I'm thinking that my path will be to see if I can replicate and narrow down why some people are struggling to see the UTF-8 character. And if I can't sort that, or if the fix will take a long time, then I'll use the only-ASCII translation for some fsxNet subs or whatever. Only downside is that you'll use any sweet ANSI.


    - Andre
    --- SBBSecho 3.15-Linux
    * Origin: Radio Mentor BBS - bbs.radiomentor.org (21:3/117)
  • From echicken@21:1/164 to Andre on Mon Apr 4 14:54:06 2022
    Re: Re: Nightmares / Dreams
    By: Andre to echicken on Mon Apr 04 2022 09:35:22

    But the correct path would more likely be to use the only-ASCII flag for exporting certain echos.

    Ideally other systems would just do this somewhere around the import phase, whether by their mailer, tosser, or some other utility, but yeah, that's the next best thing.

    So I'm thinking that my path will be to see if I can replicate and narrow down why some people are struggling to see the UTF-8 character. And if I

    People have stated that both the terminal and server need to be in agreement on the encoding. I'm a bit puzzled by this but also not thinking super clearly at the moment. Is the BBS altering the byte order or doing some escaping? I'd think it was entirely up to the client to interpret a sequence of bytes according to whatever encoding it's using.

    I'd be skeptical that SyncTERM users are really on the latest version. People have trouble with that for some reason, perhaps due to the raging ugliness of Deuce's website.

    ---
    echicken
    electronic chicken bbs - bbs.electronicchicken.com
    * Origin: electronic chicken bbs - bbs.electronicchicken.com (21:1/164)
  • From Andre@21:3/117 to echicken on Mon Apr 4 10:02:04 2022
    People have stated that both the terminal and server need to be in agreement on the encoding. I'm a bit puzzled by this but also not thinking

    That may have come from a misunderstanding of something I saw in the Sync UTF-8 video.


    - Andre
    --- SBBSecho 3.15-Linux
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  • From The Millionaire@21:1/183 to All on Mon Apr 4 13:38:32 2022
    Wow I can't believe how popular this topic is. Thanks for your participation. :-)

    $ The Millionaire $
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  • From The Millionaire@21:1/183 to All on Tue Apr 5 18:46:32 2022
    Is it possible to have a dream and a nightmare at the same time?

    $ The Millionaire $
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  • From Nightfox@21:1/137 to The Millionaire on Tue Apr 5 19:18:08 2022
    Re: Nightmares / Dreams
    By: The Millionaire to All on Tue Apr 05 2022 06:46 pm

    Is it possible to have a dream and a nightmare at the same time?

    I'm not sure what you mean by this question. A nightmare is a type of dream..

    Nightfox
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  • From echicken@21:1/164 to Nightfox on Wed Apr 6 02:26:56 2022
    Re: Nightmares / Dreams
    By: Nightfox to The Millionaire on Tue Apr 05 2022 19:18:08

    Is it possible to have a dream and a nightmare at the same time?

    I'm not sure what you mean by this question. A nightmare is a type of dream..

    What if it's like an erotic dream, but it's also spooky, like you're doing the hokey pokey but in a haunted house and there are spooky ghosts floating around going "BOO!" but you're also still enjoying the hokey pokey and then I dunno your arm falls off or something because stuff like that happens in nightmares sometimes so now you got these spooky ghosts floating around while you're doing the hokey pokey and trying to enjoy yourself but you're also freaked out about your missing arm and then you look up and you realize that the haunted house is actually your high school math classroom you know how it's like that in dreams sometimes how like one place can be two different places and anyway all your classmates are there and now you feel awkward and embarrassed and you're still worried about your missing arm and still trying to enjoy the hokeying and pokeying but the ghosts are still going "BOO!" and freaking you out and you've got all of these conflicting feelings going on in your head I guess that would be both a dream and a nightmare right?

    ---
    echicken
    electronic chicken bbs - bbs.electronicchicken.com
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  • From Nightfox@21:1/137 to echicken on Tue Apr 5 23:00:30 2022
    Re: Nightmares / Dreams
    By: echicken to Nightfox on Wed Apr 06 2022 02:26 am

    What if it's like an erotic dream, but it's also spooky, like you're doing the hokey pokey but in a haunted house and there are spooky ghosts

    Yes. I'd probably be doing the hokey poke and turning myself around.

    Nightfox
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  • From Spectre@21:3/101 to The Millionaire on Wed Apr 6 15:52:00 2022
    Is it possible to have a dream and a nightmare at the same time?

    1


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  • From Warpslide@21:3/110 to Nightfox on Wed Apr 6 03:36:22 2022
    On 05 Apr 2022, Nightfox said the following...

    Yes. I'd probably be doing the hokey poke and turning myself around.

    I mean, that's what it's all about!


    Jay

    ... Monday is a hard way to spend one-seventh of your life.

    --- Mystic BBS v1.12 A48 2022/04/03 (Raspberry Pi/32)
    * Origin: Northern Realms (21:3/110)
  • From boraxman@21:1/101 to echicken on Wed Apr 6 22:38:46 2022
    echicken wrote to Nightfox <=-

    Re: Nightmares / Dreams
    By: Nightfox to The Millionaire on Tue Apr 05 2022 19:18:08

    Is it possible to have a dream and a nightmare at the same time?

    I'm not sure what you mean by this question. A nightmare is a type of dream..

    What if it's like an erotic dream, but it's also spooky, like you're
    doing the hokey pokey but in a haunted house and there are spooky
    ghosts floating around going "BOO!" but you're also still enjoying the hokey pokey and then I dunno your arm falls off or something because
    stuff like that happens in nightmares sometimes so now you got these spooky ghosts floating around while you're doing the hokey pokey and trying to enjoy yourself but you're also freaked out about your missing arm and then you look up and you realize that the haunted house is actually your high school math classroom you know how it's like that in dreams sometimes how like one place can be two different places and
    anyway all your classmates are there and now you feel awkward and embarrassed and you're still worried about your missing arm and still trying to enjoy the hokeying and pokeying but the ghosts are still
    going "BOO!" and freaking you out and you've got all of these
    conflicting feelings going on in your head I guess that would be both a dream and a nightmare right?

    Yeah, I often have dreams like that...

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  • From McDoob@21:4/135 to echicken on Wed Apr 6 07:52:24 2022
    What if it's like an erotic dream, but it's also spooky, like you're
    doing the hokey pokey but in a haunted house and there are spooky ghosts floating around going "BOO!" but you're also still enjoying the hokey pokey and then I dunno your arm falls off or something because stuff
    like that happens in nightmares sometimes so now you got these spooky ghosts floating around while you're doing the hokey pokey and trying to enjoy yourself but you're also freaked out about your missing arm and
    then you look up and you realize that the haunted house is actually your high school math classroom you know how it's like that in dreams
    sometimes how like one place can be two different places and anyway all your classmates are there and now you feel awkward and embarrassed and you're still worried about your missing arm and still trying to enjoy
    the hokeying and pokeying but the ghosts are still going "BOO!" and freaking you out and you've got all of these conflicting feelings going
    on in your head I guess that would be both a dream and a nightmare
    right?

    Someone call Guiness. This *has* to be in the running for Longest Run-on Sentence! (o_-)

    McDoob
    SysOp, PiBBS
    pibbs.sytes.net

    ... Just another prisoner of gravity!

    --- Mystic BBS v1.12 A47 2021/12/24 (Raspberry Pi/32)
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  • From echicken@21:1/164 to boraxman on Wed Apr 6 12:43:52 2022
    Re: Re: Nightmares / Dreams
    By: boraxman to echicken on Wed Apr 06 2022 22:38:47

    Yeah, I often have dreams like that...

    But is it a dream? A nightmare? Both? Let's not get distracted from the big question here.

    ---
    echicken
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  • From Spectre@21:3/101 to McDoob on Thu Apr 7 00:16:00 2022
    Someone call Guiness.

    Drinks are on you, I'll settle for a Black and Tan.

    Spec


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  • From McDoob@21:4/135 to Spectre on Wed Apr 6 11:26:30 2022
    Someone call Guiness.

    Drinks are on you, I'll settle for a Black and Tan.

    Gonna be a real short night, if you're expecting me to foot the bill... ~\(o_O)/~

    McDoob
    SysOp, PiBBS
    pibbs.sytes.net

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    --- Mystic BBS v1.12 A47 2021/12/24 (Raspberry Pi/32)
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  • From Nightfox@21:1/137 to echicken on Wed Apr 6 09:19:42 2022
    Re: Re: Nightmares / Dreams
    By: echicken to boraxman on Wed Apr 06 2022 12:43 pm

    Yeah, I often have dreams like that...

    But is it a dream? A nightmare? Both? Let's not get distracted from the big question here.

    And other questions as well, such as:
    Is a hot dog a sandwich?
    Is cereal soup?

    Nightfox
    --- SBBSecho 3.15-Win32
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  • From echicken@21:1/164 to Nightfox on Wed Apr 6 17:45:24 2022
    Re: Re: Nightmares / Dreams
    By: Nightfox to echicken on Wed Apr 06 2022 09:19:42

    Is a hot dog a sandwich?

    I'd say it's more like a canape or a meat eclair or a really weird open-faced sandwich. My only real beef with the "sandwich" thing is that the meat tube isn't fully between two pieces of bread/bun.

    The hot dog is certainly sandwich *inspired* and even takes its name from a sandwich related quote. When the Duke of Earl of Sandwich picked up the first sandwich and took a bite he said "Hot dog! That's what I'm fucking talking about! This sumbitch is so easy to eat while I play cards!" True fact.

    Is cereal soup?

    Unequivocally yes. And while not all soup is cereal, it's acceptable to serve cream of mushroom soup for breakfast and don't let anybody tell you different. It's just little chunks of stuff floating in a dairy rich liquid so really what's the damn difference know what I mean?

    ---
    echicken
    electronic chicken bbs - bbs.electronicchicken.com
    * Origin: electronic chicken bbs - bbs.electronicchicken.com (21:1/164)
  • From Nightfox@21:1/137 to echicken on Wed Apr 6 11:27:06 2022
    Re: Re: Nightmares / Dreams
    By: echicken to Nightfox on Wed Apr 06 2022 05:45 pm

    Is a hot dog a sandwich?

    I'd say it's more like a canape or a meat eclair or a really weird

    I like "meat eclair".

    Is cereal soup?

    Unequivocally yes. And while not all soup is cereal, it's acceptable to serve cream of mushroom soup for breakfast and don't let anybody tell you different. It's just little chunks of stuff floating in a dairy rich liquid so really what's the damn difference know what I mean?

    True dat.

    Nightfox
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  • From McDoob@21:4/135 to echicken on Wed Apr 6 15:15:32 2022
    the meat tube isn't fully between two pieces of bread/bun.

    Giggity? (o_O)

    The hot dog is certainly sandwich *inspired* and even takes its name
    from a sandwich related quote.

    IMHO, a 'hot dog sandwich' is two hot dogs, sliced length-wice, placed in between two slices of bread, along with whichever condiments the consumer prefers. The 'original' hot dog is not a sandwich. It lacks a second unit (slice, bun) of bread.

    Unequivocally yes. And while not all soup is cereal, it's acceptable to serve cream of mushroom soup for breakfast and don't let anybody tell
    you different.

    It's also acceptable to eat cereal for dinner, if you're a lazy bachelor...I know this for fact. (o_-)

    McDoob
    SysOp, PiBBS
    pibbs.sytes.net

    ... I don't have the time for a hobby. I have a computer.

    --- Mystic BBS v1.12 A47 2021/12/24 (Raspberry Pi/32)
    * Origin: PiBBS (21:4/135)
  • From Gamgee@21:2/138 to echicken on Wed Apr 6 14:15:00 2022
    echicken wrote to Nightfox <=-

    Is a hot dog a sandwich?

    I'd say it's more like a canape or a meat eclair or a really
    weird open-faced sandwich. My only real beef with the "sandwich"
    thing is that the meat tube isn't fully between two pieces of
    bread/bun.

    Meat Twinkie.

    The hot dog is certainly sandwich *inspired* and even takes its
    name from a sandwich related quote. When the Duke of Earl of
    Sandwich picked up the first sandwich and took a bite he said
    "Hot dog! That's what I'm fucking talking about! This sumbitch is
    so easy to eat while I play cards!" True fact.

    HAR!

    Is cereal soup?

    Unequivocally yes. And while not all soup is cereal, it's
    acceptable to serve cream of mushroom soup for breakfast and
    don't let anybody tell you different. It's just little chunks of
    stuff floating in a dairy rich liquid so really what's the damn
    difference know what I mean?

    Hahaha, you're on a roll. Not a bun, a roll.

    That long-sentence one may have fractured one of my ribs.


    ... I avoid all sports which cannot be played while holding a hot dog.
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  • From echicken@21:1/164 to McDoob on Wed Apr 6 19:24:58 2022
    Re: Re: Nightmares / Dreams
    By: McDoob to echicken on Wed Apr 06 2022 15:15:32

    IMHO, a 'hot dog sandwich' is two hot dogs, sliced length-wice, placed in between two slices of bread, along with whichever condiments the consumer

    That's actually a "bisected meat-tube sandwich" or, as some people call it, a "wiener sandwich". It's only really a hot dog if it's a wiener served atop a hot-dog bun and covered with mayonnaise.

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  • From Nightfox@21:1/137 to McDoob on Wed Apr 6 12:50:24 2022
    Re: Re: Nightmares / Dreams
    By: McDoob to echicken on Wed Apr 06 2022 03:15 pm

    IMHO, a 'hot dog sandwich' is two hot dogs, sliced length-wice, placed in between two slices of bread, along with whichever condiments the consumer prefers. The 'original' hot dog is not a sandwich. It lacks a second unit (slice, bun) of bread.

    But a hot dog does have bread on the top and bottom of the meat.

    It's also acceptable to eat cereal for dinner, if you're a lazy bachelor...I know this for fact. (o_-)

    Lazy, or efficient? If you are satisfied with cereal for dinner, then how does that automatically make you "lazy"? ;)

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  • From Warpslide@21:3/110 to echicken on Wed Apr 6 17:24:52 2022
    On 06 Apr 2022, echicken said the following...

    Unequivocally yes. And while not all soup is cereal, it's acceptable to serve cream of mushroom soup for breakfast and don't let anybody tell
    you different. It's just little chunks of stuff floating in a dairy rich liquid so really what's the damn difference know what I mean?

    This reminds me of a few years ago when seemingly everyone was melting butter (or coconut oil, or both) into their coffee, I think they called it "bulletproof coffee".

    I don't know why but the thought of it always repulsed me. Then someone pointed out that people put milk or cream into their coffee, and it's just dairy fat, so why not butter? I've still not tried it, but it did kind of make me look at it differently.


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  • From McDoob@21:4/135 to echicken on Wed Apr 6 18:18:04 2022
    IMHO, a 'hot dog sandwich' is two hot dogs, sliced length-wice, place between two slices of bread, along with whichever condiments the cons

    That's actually a "bisected meat-tube sandwich" or, as some people call it, a "wiener sandwich". It's only really a hot dog if it's a wiener served atop a hot-dog bun and covered with mayonnaise.

    Hence the difference between hot dog and sandwich, sir. (^_^)

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  • From McDoob@21:4/135 to Nightfox on Wed Apr 6 18:21:48 2022
    IMHO, a 'hot dog sandwich' is two hot dogs, sliced length-wice, place between two slices of bread, along with whichever condiments the cons prefers. The 'original' hot dog is not a sandwich. It lacks a second (slice, bun) of bread.

    But a hot dog does have bread on the top and bottom of the meat.

    Not two separate portions of bread. Same portion, split down the middle. And before you say it, one does not use an entire loaf to make a sandwich. A loaf of bread is many separate portions. A bun is *one* portion.

    It's also acceptable to eat cereal for dinner, if you're a lazy bachelor...I know this for fact. (o_-)

    Lazy, or efficient? If you are satisfied with cereal for dinner, then
    how does that automatically make you "lazy"? ;)

    I wasn't the one to label it thus. I agree with you on this.

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  • From Gamgee@21:2/138 to McDoob on Wed Apr 6 19:28:00 2022
    McDoob wrote to Nightfox <=-

    But a hot dog does have bread on the top and bottom of the meat.

    Not two separate portions of bread. Same portion, split down the
    middle. And before you say it, one does not use an entire loaf to
    make a sandwich. A loaf of bread is many separate portions. A bun
    is *one* portion.

    So, you're saying if I take one piece of bread, slap some egg salad on
    the left side of it, and fold the right half over on the egg salad,
    that isn't a sandwich?

    Yes, that is what you're saying, but it's...... incorrect.


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  • From McDoob@21:4/135 to Gamgee on Wed Apr 6 20:47:36 2022
    So, you're saying [...]

    Whatever else you added, no. I said what I said, nothing else.

    You sound like a soon-to-be-ex girlfriend when you say 'So, you're saying...'

    For the record, I'd really like to break up with you.

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  • From echicken@21:1/164 to Warpslide on Thu Apr 7 00:51:48 2022
    Re: Re: Nightmares / Dreams
    By: Warpslide to echicken on Wed Apr 06 2022 17:24:52

    I don't know why but the thought of it always repulsed me. Then someone pointed out that people put milk or cream into their coffee, and it's just dairy fat, so why not butter? I've still not tried it, but it did kind of make me look at it differently.

    Apparently this is a very common practice in some parts of the world, but I hadn't heard of it either until a few years ago. Haven't tried it and probably won't; I drink my coffee black, and I don't think butter would improve it.

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  • From echicken@21:1/164 to Gamgee on Thu Apr 7 00:54:22 2022
    Re: Re: Nightmares / Dreams
    By: Gamgee to McDoob on Wed Apr 06 2022 19:28:00

    So, you're saying if I take one piece of bread, slap some egg salad on
    the left side of it, and fold the right half over on the egg salad,
    that isn't a sandwich?

    That's an egg-dog.

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  • From McDoob@21:4/135 to echicken on Wed Apr 6 20:58:24 2022
    So, you're saying if I take one piece of bread, slap some egg salad o the left side of it, and fold the right half over on the egg salad, that isn't a sandwich?

    That's an egg-dog.

    Nice one! (^_^)

    Not to be confused with egg nog...

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  • From McDoob@21:4/135 to echicken on Wed Apr 6 21:09:02 2022
    Apparently this is a very common practice in some parts of the world,
    but I hadn't heard of it either until a few years ago. Haven't tried it and probably won't; I drink my coffee black, and I don't think butter would improve it.

    Trust me on this, it doesn't.

    I ran out of cream once...and...no...black coffee is actually better.

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  • From StormTrooper@21:2/108 to Spectre on Thu Apr 7 02:01:42 2022
    Drinks are on you, I'll settle for a Black and Tan.



    You closet alcoholic :P

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  • From McDoob@21:4/135 to StormTrooper on Wed Apr 6 22:07:54 2022
    Drinks are on you, I'll settle for a Black and Tan.


    You closet alcoholic :P

    That's not exactly in-the-closet, bud...I got it, and I'm definitely an outed alcoholic.

    Not that I'm proud of that...(Q_Q)

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  • From fang-castro@21:3/112 to The Millionaire on Wed Apr 6 22:33:50 2022
    On 26 Mar 2022, The Millionaire said the following...

    Are they real or not? What causes them as well?

    they're very real and you cause them

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  • From Blue White@21:4/134 to echicken on Thu Apr 7 15:44:18 2022
    echicken wrote to Nightfox <=-

    What if it's like an erotic dream, but it's also spooky, like you're
    doing the hokey pokey but in a haunted house and there are spooky
    ghosts floating around going "BOO!" but you're also still enjoying the hokey pokey and then I dunno your arm falls off or something because
    stuff like that happens in nightmares sometimes so now you got these spooky ghosts floating around while you're doing the hokey pokey and trying to enjoy yourself but you're also freaked out about your missing arm and then you look up and you realize that the haunted house is actually your high school math classroom you know how it's like that in dreams sometimes how like one place can be two different places and
    anyway all your classmates are there and now you feel awkward and embarrassed and you're still worried about your missing arm and still trying to enjoy the hokeying and pokeying but the ghosts are still
    going "BOO!" and freaking you out and you've got all of these
    conflicting feelings going on in your head I guess that would be both a dream and a nightmare right?

    I wish I had not read the whole thing. Now I will have a nightmare about
    my arm falling off in class.


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  • From Blue White@21:4/134 to The Millionaire on Thu Apr 7 15:45:24 2022
    The Millionaire wrote to All <=-

    Is it possible to have a dream and a nightmare at the same time?

    I think we might have already answered that, where someone said that they
    have dreams within dreams.


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  • From Nightfox@21:1/137 to Blue White on Thu Apr 7 17:09:44 2022
    Re: Re: Nightmares / Dreams
    By: Blue White to echicken on Thu Apr 07 2022 03:44 pm

    I wish I had not read the whole thing. Now I will have a nightmare about my arm falling off in class.

    I thought it was somewhat reminiscent of The Thing.. :P
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  • From 2twisty@21:3/166 to McDoob on Fri Apr 8 08:37:00 2022
    prefers. The 'original' hot dog is not a sandwich. It lacks a second unit (slice, bun) of bread.

    What happens when the hot dog bun separates? Is it then a sandwich?

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  • From 2twisty@21:3/166 to Nightfox on Fri Apr 8 08:38:26 2022
    But a hot dog does have bread on the top and bottom of the meat.

    But only if you turn it sideways.

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  • From 2twisty@21:3/166 to Warpslide on Fri Apr 8 08:39:30 2022
    This reminds me of a few years ago when seemingly everyone was melting butter (or coconut oil, or both) into their coffee, I think they called
    it "bulletproof coffee".

    Tried it. Wasn't impressed. Went back to cream.

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  • From poindexter FORTRAN@21:4/122 to Gamgee on Thu Apr 7 07:40:00 2022
    Gamgee wrote to echicken <=-

    Meat Twinkie.

    I'll take "phrases that sound dirty but aren't for $200, Alex..."


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  • From poindexter FORTRAN@21:4/122 to echicken on Thu Apr 7 07:41:00 2022
    echicken wrote to McDoob <=-

    That's actually a "bisected meat-tube sandwich" or, as some people call it, a "wiener sandwich". It's only really a hot dog if it's a wiener served atop a hot-dog bun and covered with mayonnaise.

    Butterfly your frankfurter and put it on top of a hamburger patty and bun
    and you got yourself a Burger Dog(tm).




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  • From poindexter FORTRAN@21:4/122 to Warpslide on Thu Apr 7 07:47:00 2022
    Warpslide wrote to echicken <=-

    This reminds me of a few years ago when seemingly everyone was melting butter (or coconut oil, or both) into their coffee, I think they called
    it "bulletproof coffee".

    Both. I think that went along with the people that drank bone broth.

    I don't know why but the thought of it always repulsed me. Then someone pointed out that people put milk or cream into their coffee, and it's
    just dairy fat, so why not butter? I've still not tried it, but it did kind of make me look at it differently.

    I tried it once, and it tasted like shortening and coffee. Admittedly, I've drunk my coffee black for 40 years and don't make a good test subject for colloidal suspensions of animal proteins in caffeinated beverages.




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  • From poindexter FORTRAN@21:4/122 to Gamgee on Thu Apr 7 07:50:00 2022
    Gamgee wrote to McDoob <=-

    Not two separate portions of bread. Same portion, split down the
    middle. And before you say it, one does not use an entire loaf to
    make a sandwich. A loaf of bread is many separate portions. A bun
    is *one* portion.

    So, you're saying if I take one piece of bread, slap some egg salad on
    the left side of it, and fold the right half over on the egg salad,
    that isn't a sandwich?

    If you take a piece of bread, give one end a twist, and connect it to the other end, you have a mobius sandwich - a sandwich, which by all intents and purposes, cannot exist.

    You double the surface area available for jelly, but it makes one hell of a mess eating it.


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  • From poindexter FORTRAN@21:4/122 to echicken on Thu Apr 7 07:51:00 2022
    echicken wrote to Gamgee <=-

    That's an egg-dog.

    Just because of your comment, for lunch today, I'm going to take a hot dog
    bun and fill it with egg salad.





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  • From McDoob@21:4/135 to 2twisty on Fri Apr 8 10:53:38 2022
    prefers. The 'original' hot dog is not a sandwich. It lacks a second (slice, bun) of bread.

    What happens when the hot dog bun separates? Is it then a sandwich?

    Does it become two buns? Or just two parts of a single bun? If I cut a sandwich in half, does it become two sandwiches?

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  • From 2twisty@21:3/166 to McDoob on Fri Apr 8 08:58:08 2022
    Does it become two buns? Or just two parts of a single bun? If I cut a sandwich in half, does it become two sandwiches?

    Absolutely is 2 sandwiches.

    Don't you remember the scene in Rain Man with the fish sticks?

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  • From Gamgee@21:2/138 to poindexter FORTRAN on Fri Apr 8 11:11:00 2022
    poindexter FORTRAN wrote to Gamgee <=-

    Gamgee wrote to McDoob <=-

    Not two separate portions of bread. Same portion, split down the
    middle. And before you say it, one does not use an entire loaf to
    make a sandwich. A loaf of bread is many separate portions. A bun
    is *one* portion.

    So, you're saying if I take one piece of bread, slap some egg salad on
    the left side of it, and fold the right half over on the egg salad,
    that isn't a sandwich?

    If you take a piece of bread, give one end a twist, and connect
    it to the other end, you have a mobius sandwich - a sandwich,
    which by all intents and purposes, cannot exist.

    Hahahaha, but........ it does: https://www.reddit.com/r/NLSSCircleJerk/comments/9oip81/is_this_a_sandwich/

    You double the surface area available for jelly, but it makes one
    hell of a mess eating it.

    Waiter! Extra napkins here please!



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  • From Gamgee@21:2/138 to poindexter FORTRAN on Fri Apr 8 11:12:00 2022
    poindexter FORTRAN wrote to Gamgee <=-

    Gamgee wrote to echicken <=-

    Meat Twinkie.

    I'll take "phrases that sound dirty but aren't for $200, Alex..."

    Now that you mention that, I have images that I'd like to un-see... ;-)



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  • From Gamgee@21:2/138 to poindexter FORTRAN on Fri Apr 8 11:29:00 2022
    poindexter FORTRAN wrote to echicken <=-

    echicken wrote to Gamgee <=-

    That's an egg-dog.

    Just because of your comment, for lunch today, I'm going to take
    a hot dog bun and fill it with egg salad.

    You can't fill something that has two open ends.


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  • From McDoob@21:4/135 to 2twisty on Fri Apr 8 12:35:02 2022
    Does it become two buns? Or just two parts of a single bun? If I cut sandwich in half, does it become two sandwiches?

    Absolutely is 2 sandwiches.

    Alright, lets follow that logic a bit further. If I were to cut a sandwich into a thousand pieces, would I have a thousand sandwiches? Or just crumbs? (o_O)

    If you cut a sandwich in half, you have two half-sandwiches, not two complete sandwiches. If a bun breaks, you do not automatically have two buns. You have a single, broken, bun.

    Don't you remember the scene in Rain Man with the fish sticks?

    Not my kind of movie; never watched it.

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  • From Nightfox@21:1/137 to Gamgee on Fri Apr 8 10:27:20 2022
    Re: Re: Nightmares / Dreams
    By: Gamgee to poindexter FORTRAN on Fri Apr 08 2022 11:29 am

    Just because of your comment, for lunch today, I'm going to take
    a hot dog bun and fill it with egg salad.

    You can't fill something that has two open ends.

    It's bottomless.

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  • From Nightfox@21:1/137 to McDoob on Fri Apr 8 10:28:20 2022
    Re: Re: Nightmares / Dreams
    By: McDoob to 2twisty on Fri Apr 08 2022 12:35 pm

    Does it become two buns? Or just two parts of a single bun? If
    I cut sandwich in half, does it become two sandwiches?

    Absolutely is 2 sandwiches.

    Alright, lets follow that logic a bit further. If I were to cut a sandwich into a thousand pieces, would I have a thousand sandwiches? Or just crumbs? (o_O)

    A journey of a thousand sandwiches begins with a single cut.

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  • From StormTrooper@21:2/108 to Gamgee on Fri Apr 8 22:49:26 2022
    You can't fill something that has two open ends.


    Hmm you could... you've just got to put stuff in faster than it comes out...

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  • From Gamgee@21:2/138 to Nightfox on Sat Apr 9 10:00:00 2022
    Nightfox wrote to Gamgee <=-

    Just because of your comment, for lunch today, I'm going to take
    a hot dog bun and fill it with egg salad.

    You can't fill something that has two open ends.

    It's bottomless.

    And topless! ;-)



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  • From Gamgee@21:2/138 to StormTrooper on Sat Apr 9 10:02:00 2022
    StormTrooper wrote to Gamgee <=-

    You can't fill something that has two open ends.

    Hmm you could... you've just got to put stuff in faster than it
    comes out...

    Hehe, that's true I guess. Even egg salad cannot ignore the laws of
    physics.


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  • From dotslash@21:2/152 to All on Sun Apr 10 09:52:42 2022
    Hi,

    On 06/04/2022 21:47, McDoob wrote:
    Ga> So, you're saying [...]

    Whatever else you added, no. I said what I said, nothing else.

    You sound like a soon-to-be-ex girlfriend when you say 'So, you're saying...'

    For the record, I'd really like to break up with you.
    I thought that this was a bit amusing at first, but it's getting a bit tedious. Could you two either get a room or agree to co-exist nicely,
    please? The tone here is starting to become rather Fidonettish thanks to
    the fact that the two of you dislike each other so intensely and loudly.
    We all have opinions and it's fair to air it, but this goes beyond that.
    We would all like to enjoy the hobby, having to keep score is not
    everybody's cuppa I'm sure. That is what Twitter and Fidonet is for.

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  • From McDoob@21:4/135 to dotslash on Sun Apr 10 08:25:54 2022
    I thought that this was a bit amusing at first, but it's getting a bit tedious. Could you two either get a room or agree to co-exist nicely, please? The tone here is starting to become rather Fidonettish thanks to the fact that the two of you dislike each other so intensely and loudly. We all have opinions and it's fair to air it, but this goes beyond that. We would all like to enjoy the hobby, having to keep score is not everybody's cuppa I'm sure. That is what Twitter and Fidonet is for.

    Peaceful coexistance doesn't seem possible, I'm afraid. And only one of us would leave that room in good health...

    Believe me, I would very much like to put this to rest. I have no intention of continuing hostilities that I didn't start. I will try to ignore all messages from the other party, and provided he does the same, problem solved.

    Thank you for reminding us that this *isn't* Fidonet, and sorry for the trouble.

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  • From Andre@21:3/117 to McDoob on Sun Apr 10 08:50:08 2022
    I will try to ignore all messages from the other party, and provided he does the same, problem solved.

    No, no conditions. Just ignore him, and block him if you can’t manage it.

    The rest of us are well beyond sick of it.


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  • From McDoob@21:4/135 to Andre on Sun Apr 10 11:00:56 2022
    I will try to ignore all messages from the other party, and provided he the same, problem solved.

    No, no conditions. Just ignore him, and block him if you can’t manage it.

    The rest of us are well beyond sick of it.

    This is not a 'condition', it is a simple fact. The only way it works is if both parties do so, just as both parties are responsible for the problems of the past week or so.

    Unlike other participants, I have admitted my part, and have said I would try to avoid it in the future. What more would you demand of me? Must I prostrate myself before you, wailing and covering my head in ash, before you are satisfied? (o_O)

    'The rest of us' aren't alone in being sick of hostility, and I don't appreciate yours.

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    * Origin: PiBBS (21:4/135)
  • From poindexter FORTRAN@21:4/122 to Nightfox on Sun Apr 10 07:13:00 2022
    Nightfox wrote to McDoob <=-


    ... A journey of a thousand sandwiches begins with a single cut.
    --- MultiMail/DOS v0.52
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  • From poindexter FORTRAN@21:4/122 to Gamgee on Sun Apr 10 07:14:00 2022
    Gamgee wrote to Nightfox <=-

    Nightfox wrote to Gamgee <=-

    Just because of your comment, for lunch today, I'm going to take
    a hot dog bun and fill it with egg salad.

    You can't fill something that has two open ends.

    It's bottomless.

    And topless! ;-)

    I like to huff bread crumbs and follow it with a spoonful of Goober Peanut Butter/Jelly. Is that a sandwich?


    ... A journey of a thousand sandwiches begins with a single cut.
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  • From poindexter FORTRAN@21:4/122 to Gamgee on Sun Apr 10 07:17:00 2022
    Gamgee wrote to StormTrooper <=-

    Hehe, that's true I guess. Even egg salad cannot ignore the laws of physics.

    Someone needs to invent non-newtonian egg salad. Add a little corn starch, perhaps?

    "The swift blade penetrates the salad."



    ... A journey of a thousand sandwiches begins with a single cut.
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  • From Nightfox@21:1/137 to poindexter FORTRAN on Mon Apr 11 10:18:54 2022
    Re: Re: Nightmares / Dreams
    By: poindexter FORTRAN to Nightfox on Sun Apr 10 2022 07:13 am

    Nightfox wrote to McDoob <=-


    ... A journey of a thousand sandwiches begins with a single cut.

    Looks like you sent an empty message..

    Nightfox
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  • From Gamgee@21:2/138 to poindexter FORTRAN on Mon Apr 11 15:47:00 2022
    poindexter FORTRAN wrote to Gamgee <=-

    Just because of your comment, for lunch today, I'm going to take
    a hot dog bun and fill it with egg salad.

    You can't fill something that has two open ends.

    It's bottomless.

    And topless! ;-)

    I like to huff bread crumbs and follow it with a spoonful of
    Goober Peanut Butter/Jelly. Is that a sandwich?

    To me, no.

    To a stomach, probably.

    Does the huffing of bread crumbs bring on excessive thirst?



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  • From Gamgee@21:2/138 to poindexter FORTRAN on Mon Apr 11 15:53:00 2022
    poindexter FORTRAN wrote to Gamgee <=-

    Gamgee wrote to StormTrooper <=-

    Hehe, that's true I guess. Even egg salad cannot ignore the laws of physics.

    Someone needs to invent non-newtonian egg salad. Add a little
    corn starch, perhaps?

    That would help, but not solve.

    I'm thinking that someone needs to take an Egg Salad Sandwich into space, where the aforementioned issue would not be .... an issue.
    Perhaps Tom Hanks or Angelina Jolie can do it when they fly on the Blue Origin or whatever it'll be called. Of course, that may spark a new debate on whether they actually enter "space", or not.

    "The swift blade penetrates the salad."

    Hehe, sounds vaguely familiar. Cutthroat Mafia reference, sort of?



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  • From StormTrooper@21:2/108 to poindexter FORTRAN on Tue Apr 12 10:28:18 2022
    Someone needs to invent non-newtonian egg salad. Add a little corn
    starch, perhaps?

    One guesses you're looking for a thixotopic medium.. thin when agitates and thickens on sitting.

    ST

    --- Mystic BBS v1.12 A46 2020/08/26 (Linux/64)
    * Origin: Storm BBS (21:2/108)
  • From poindexter FORTRAN@21:4/122 to Gamgee on Tue Apr 12 06:36:00 2022
    Gamgee wrote to poindexter FORTRAN <=-

    "The swift blade penetrates the salad."

    Hehe, sounds vaguely familiar. Cutthroat Mafia reference, sort of?

    HE WHO CONTROLS THE SALAD... CONTROLS THE UNIVERSE!


    ... That's what we are to them -- Yesterday's JAM!
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  • From poindexter FORTRAN@21:4/122 to StormTrooper on Tue Apr 12 06:37:00 2022
    StormTrooper wrote to poindexter FORTRAN <=-

    Someone needs to invent non-newtonian egg salad. Add a little corn
    starch, perhaps?

    One guesses you're looking for a thixotopic medium.. thin when agitates and thickens on sitting.

    I was thinking of ooblick salad. Eggblick, perhaps?


    ... Remember, the enemy's gate is "down"...
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  • From 2twisty@21:3/166 to Gamgee on Tue Apr 12 10:07:28 2022
    "The swift blade penetrates the salad."

    Hehe, sounds vaguely familiar. Cutthroat Mafia reference, sort of?

    Dune. "The slow blade penetrates the shield."

    --- Mystic BBS v1.12 A47 2021/12/24 (Linux/64)
    * Origin: The Ratrace Losers (21:3/166)
  • From The Millionaire@21:1/183 to All on Tue Apr 12 10:20:24 2022
    Wow! This topic is hugely popular. Keep it up people! :-)

    $ The Millionaire $
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    * Origin: Vertrauen - [vert/cvs/bbs].synchro.net (21:1/183)
  • From Gamgee@21:2/138 to 2twisty on Tue Apr 12 15:31:00 2022
    2twisty wrote to Gamgee <=-

    "The swift blade penetrates the salad."

    Hehe, sounds vaguely familiar. Cutthroat Mafia reference, sort of?

    Dune. "The slow blade penetrates the shield."

    Ahhhhh. Yes! Thanks. ;-)



    ... All hope abandon, ye who enter messages here.
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  • From The Millionaire@21:1/183 to All on Wed Apr 13 10:06:16 2022
    I wonder how many messages there are in this thread?

    $ The Millionaire $
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    * Origin: Vertrauen - [vert/cvs/bbs].synchro.net (21:1/183)
  • From echicken@21:1/164 to The Millionaire on Wed Apr 13 17:46:44 2022
    Re: Nightmares / Dreams
    By: The Millionaire to All on Wed Apr 13 2022 10:06:16

    I wonder how many messages there are in this thread?

    Don't get me wrong, I don't mind your little conversation-starters up to a certain point, and I've had fun participating in some of these threads. I don't see it as a bad thing. Some of your inane questions spur discussion and turn into a decent thread. That's great.

    Don't be a dingus about it, okay? Take the win and move on. You know what you're doing. Please stop.

    ---
    echicken
    electronic chicken bbs - bbs.electronicchicken.com
    * Origin: electronic chicken bbs - bbs.electronicchicken.com (21:1/164)
  • From Nightfox@21:1/137 to The Millionaire on Wed Apr 13 11:47:56 2022
    Re: Nightmares / Dreams
    By: The Millionaire to All on Wed Apr 13 2022 10:06 am

    I wonder how many messages there are in this thread?

    Why, so that you can pat yourself on the back and feel good about starting a popular thread?

    Nightfox
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    * Origin: Digital Distortion: digdist.synchro.net (21:1/137)
  • From The Millionaire@21:1/183 to All on Wed Apr 13 11:56:46 2022
    Pridurki pokhozhi na mneniya. U kazhdogo yest'.

    $ The Millionaire $
    --- SBBSecho 3.15-Linux
    * Origin: Vertrauen - [vert/cvs/bbs].synchro.net (21:1/183)
  • From Gamgee@21:2/138 to The Millionaire on Wed Apr 13 19:51:00 2022
    The Millionaire wrote to All <=-

    I wonder how many messages there are in this thread?

    Nobody but you cares, and as others have stated, we all know *why* you care. Drop it, please.



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  • From McDoob@21:4/135 to The Millionaire on Thu Apr 14 09:45:34 2022
    The Millionaire wrote to All <=-

    I wonder how many messages there are in this thread?

    Since I cared enough, I figured I would do the math. Including this one, there are 337 messages within this thread.

    Unfortunately, a significant portion of those messages were of the poo-flinging variety. I can see why others might not want that pointed out, which is exactly why I am doing so.

    We get it, bud. Even the Anti-TM Fan Club has to admit, some of your conversation starters actually start conversations. Don't be a sore winner about it, now.

    McDoob
    SysOp, PiBBS
    pibbs.sytes.net

    ... Everyone is entitled to my opinion!

    --- Mystic BBS v1.12 A47 2021/12/24 (Raspberry Pi/32)
    * Origin: PiBBS (21:4/135)
  • From The Millionaire@21:1/183 to McDoob on Thu Apr 14 08:59:40 2022


    Since I cared enough, I figured I would do the math. Including this one, there are 337 messages within this thread.

    Unfortunately, a significant portion of those messages were of the poo-flinging variety. I can see why others might not want that pointed out, which is exactly why I am doing so.

    We get it, bud. Even the Anti-TM Fan Club has to admit, some of your conversation starters actually start conversations. Don't be a sore winner about it, now.

    McDoob
    SysOp, PiBBS
    pibbs.sytes.net

    ... Everyone is entitled to my opinion!

    --- Mystic BBS v1.12 A47 2021/12/24 (Raspberry Pi/32)
    * Origin: PiBBS (21:4/135)


    Wow! 337 Messages! Amazing! I'm just excited that's all. Not trying to start trouble.

    $ The Millionaire $
    --- SBBSecho 3.15-Linux
    * Origin: Vertrauen - [vert/cvs/bbs].synchro.net (21:1/183)
  • From VideoJames@21:1/112 to All on Thu Apr 14 14:12:38 2022
    Honest question, can someone explain to me the drama unfolding in this thread? I'm new to this BBS thing and I think I might be missing some aspect of BBS etiquette?

    --- Mystic BBS v1.12 A48 2022/04/03 (Windows/32)
    * Origin: Black Flag <ACiD Telnet HQ> blackflagbbs.com (21:1/112)
  • From Arelor@21:2/138 to VideoJames on Thu Apr 14 15:23:46 2022
    Re: Nightmares / Dreams
    By: VideoJames to All on Thu Apr 14 2022 02:12 pm

    Honest question, can someone explain to me the drama unfolding in this threa I'm new to this BBS thing and I think I might be missing some aspect of BBS etiquette?

    Long story short, The Millionaire is known for throwing in LOTS of simple messages intended as conversation starters, which pisses some people off.

    The Millionaire is just happy that the last one he threw actually started a conversation and, now that the conversation is dying out, he is gloating that he made it.

    --
    gopher://gopher.richardfalken.com/1/richardfalken
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  • From Andre@21:3/117 to VideoJames on Thu Apr 14 16:05:26 2022
    Honest question, can someone explain to me the drama unfolding in this thread? I'm new to this BBS thing and I think I might be missing some aspect of BBS etiquette?

    BBS etiquette... basement dwellers with limited social skills that were into the scene since the 80s or 90s, grew up to be equally insufferable 30-40 years later.

    There is one person that asks one-liner questions to get converation started, usually just random thoughts. They are in frequency from once per week to three per day.

    Three people hate the questions and probably the person because they think they're somehow above it all. A few people are on the fence, and generally fine with it if the frequency is closer to every three days. Others are fine no matter what and don't care.

    Then you end up with the three factions arguing over it when the angry people complain and are nasty to the questioner. Questioner gets feelings hurt and says they'll just go away. Others rally in support. Questioner feels emboldened.

    Rinse, repeat.


    - Andre
    --- SBBSecho 3.15-Linux
    * Origin: Radio Mentor BBS - bbs.radiomentor.org (21:3/117)
  • From Nightfox@21:1/137 to VideoJames on Thu Apr 14 14:43:30 2022
    Re: Nightmares / Dreams
    By: Andre to VideoJames on Thu Apr 14 2022 04:05 pm

    Honest question, can someone explain to me the drama unfolding in
    this thread? I'm new to this BBS thing and I think I might be
    missing some aspect of BBS etiquette?

    There is one person that asks one-liner questions to get converation started, usually just random thoughts. They are in frequency from once per week to three per day.

    Three people hate the questions and probably the person because they think they're somehow above it all. A few people are on the fence, and generally fine with it if the frequency is closer to every three days. Others are fine no matter what and don't care.

    Then you end up with the three factions arguing over it when the angry people complain and are nasty to the questioner. Questioner gets feelings hurt and says they'll just go away. Others rally in support. Questioner feels emboldened.

    In addition, now the questioner says he wonders how many posts there are in the thred he created. Seems he wants to gloat about creating a thread that many people have responded to, which seems a little weird.

    Nightfox
    --- SBBSecho 3.15-Win32
    * Origin: Digital Distortion: digdist.synchro.net (21:1/137)
  • From VideoJames@21:1/112 to All on Thu Apr 14 19:44:40 2022
    Ah, OK. Thanks for the info. Sounds like some petty scene drama that I don't want to get involved in :P. So, I'll see y'all in another thread!

    BTW, when I try to reply to a specific person it keeps just sending it to "All". Can anyone tell me what I'm doing wrong?

    --- Mystic BBS v1.12 A48 2022/04/03 (Windows/32)
    * Origin: Black Flag <ACiD Telnet HQ> blackflagbbs.com (21:1/112)
  • From McDoob@21:4/135 to VideoJames on Thu Apr 14 21:27:14 2022
    Honest question, can someone explain to me the drama unfolding in this thread? I'm new to this BBS thing and I think I might be missing some aspect of BBS etiquette?

    It's not really something to be concerned about. Some people just can't get along.

    McDoob
    SysOp, PiBBS
    pibbs.sytes.net

    ... WOMAN.ZIP - Great program but no documentation

    --- Mystic BBS v1.12 A47 2021/12/24 (Raspberry Pi/32)
    * Origin: PiBBS (21:4/135)
  • From McDoob@21:4/135 to Nightfox on Thu Apr 14 21:29:00 2022
    In addition, now the questioner says he wonders how many posts there are in the thred he created. Seems he wants to gloat about creating a
    thread that many people have responded to, which seems a little weird.

    Unfortunately, that's how I see it, too: gloating. Rubbing their noses in it. I can't say I blame him, but I don't approve either.

    McDoob
    SysOp, PiBBS
    pibbs.sytes.net

    ... A truly wise man never argues with a Unicorn

    --- Mystic BBS v1.12 A47 2021/12/24 (Raspberry Pi/32)
    * Origin: PiBBS (21:4/135)
  • From Nightfox@21:1/137 to VideoJames on Thu Apr 14 18:48:36 2022
    Re: Nightmares / Dreams
    By: VideoJames to All on Thu Apr 14 2022 07:44 pm

    BTW, when I try to reply to a specific person it keeps just sending it to "All". Can anyone tell me what I'm doing wrong?

    What are you using to read and respond to messages? If you're logged into a BBS using the text interface (telnet/RLogin/etc.), normally the readers on the BBS would address it to the person you're replying to. However, if you're using a newsgroup reader, I've heard sometimes newsgroup readers address replies to "All".

    Nightfox
    --- SBBSecho 3.15-Win32
    * Origin: Digital Distortion: digdist.synchro.net (21:1/137)
  • From boraxman@21:1/101 to VideoJames on Fri Apr 15 14:10:56 2022
    Ah, OK. Thanks for the info. Sounds like some petty scene drama that I don't want to get involved in :P. So, I'll see y'all in another thread!

    BTW, when I try to reply to a specific person it keeps just sending it to "All". Can anyone tell me what I'm doing wrong?


    It's not really "scene" drama, but more the general drama you get when human beings communicate over a message system. The same drama you'll see on Facebook, on Twitter, on any forum where people are free to go off topic.

    It's worse elsewhere.

    As for the replies, I'm not sure what you mean. It may depend on the BBS you are connecting with, and which reply option you are using.

    --- Mystic BBS v1.12 A47 2021/12/24 (Linux/64)
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  • From echicken@21:1/164 to Andre on Fri Apr 15 04:25:00 2022
    Re: Nightmares / Dreams
    By: Andre to VideoJames on Thu Apr 14 2022 16:05:26

    Then you end up with the three factions arguing over it when the angry people complain and are nasty to the questioner. Questioner gets feelings hurt and says they'll just go away. Others rally in support. Questioner feels emboldened.

    Rinse, repeat.

    I regret responding to him, since it makes me part of the problem, but my hope was to stave off another round of sniping about the questions. Oh well. I'll take this as my periodic reminder to ignore stupid shit and focus on fun.

    ---
    echicken
    electronic chicken bbs - bbs.electronicchicken.com
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  • From Andre@21:3/117 to echicken on Fri Apr 15 07:48:54 2022
    I regret responding to him, since it makes me part of the problem, but my hope was to stave off another round of sniping about the questions. Oh well. I'll take this as my periodic reminder to ignore stupid shit and focus on fun.

    Many of us are part of the problem. Hopefully some people see how the bickering is a turnoff to new people.


    - Andre
    --- SBBSecho 3.15-Linux
    * Origin: Radio Mentor BBS - bbs.radiomentor.org (21:3/117)
  • From 2twisty@21:3/166 to Andre on Fri Apr 15 12:48:50 2022
    Many of us are part of the problem. Hopefully some people see how the bickering is a turnoff to new people.

    As a new-old BBS user (ran a board in the 90s), when I saw the bickering, I said "ah, so nothing has changed in 30 years, lol."

    I generally just ignore it. Not worth the energy to jump in, most of the time.

    --- Mystic BBS v1.12 A47 2021/12/24 (Linux/64)
    * Origin: The Ratrace Losers (21:3/166)
  • From The Millionaire@21:1/183 to Andre on Fri Apr 15 15:24:04 2022


    Many of us are part of the problem. Hopefully some people see how the bickering is a turnoff to new people.

    - Andre
    --- SBBSecho 3.15-Linux
    * Origin: Radio Mentor BBS - bbs.radiomentor.org (21:3/117)


    I totally agree with you there.

    $ The Millionaire $
    --- SBBSecho 3.15-Linux
    * Origin: Vertrauen - [vert/cvs/bbs].synchro.net (21:1/183)
  • From The Millionaire@21:1/183 to All on Mon Apr 18 19:17:26 2022
    I had a dream and it turned out to be a nightmare.

    $ The Millionaire $
    --- SBBSecho 3.15-Linux
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  • From The Millionaire@21:1/183 to All on Tue Apr 19 13:05:22 2022
    I would love to join in but I am so lost in the conversation. :-)

    $ The Millionaire $
    --- SBBSecho 3.15-Linux
    * Origin: Vertrauen - [vert/cvs/bbs].synchro.net (21:1/183)
  • From dotslash@21:2/152 to All on Wed Apr 20 20:54:06 2022
    On 10/04/2022 09:50, Andre wrote:
    I will try to ignore all messages from the other party, and provided he does >> the same, problem solved.

    No, no conditions. Just ignore him, and block him if you can’t manage it.

    It took me a while to suss out how to block, then I saw that Mystic has
    a twit filter built in. This seemed like a good opportunity to test it
    as a temporary measure, and I can now say with confidence that it works
    very well indeed. I'll leave it on for a while, and take it off when my conscience starts bothering me. :-D

    Cheerio,
    ../

    --- Mystic BBS/NNTP v1.12 A47 2021/12/24 (Linux/64)
    * Origin: UnderZaNet BBS (21:2/152)
  • From Spectre@21:3/101 to echicken on Thu Apr 7 15:49:00 2022
    So, you're saying if I take one piece of bread, slap some egg salad

    First up, that's a waste of good eggs...

    That's an egg-dog.

    Better known as a foldy or foldie depending on your university, usually associated with spreads.

    Spec


    *** THE READER V4.50 [freeware]
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    * Origin: The future's uncertain, the end is always near. (21:3/101)
  • From Spectre@21:3/101 to McDoob on Thu Apr 7 15:52:00 2022
    I ran out of cream once...and...no...black coffee is actually better.

    I can't see how concentrated fats, are going to be any better than milk,
    unless you like drinking something akin to heat softened axle grease... extra coating on the tongue so you can't taste how bad coffee really is?

    Spec


    *** THE READER V4.50 [freeware]
    --- SuperBBS v1.17-3 (Eval)
    * Origin: The future's uncertain, the end is always near. (21:3/101)
  • From Spectre@21:3/101 to The Millionaire on Thu Apr 14 08:48:00 2022
    Pridurki pokhozhi na mneniya. U kazhdogo yest'.

    Und deine grossmutter auftragen wehrmachten schuhe!


    *** THE READER V4.50 [freeware]
    --- SuperBBS v1.17-3 (Eval)
    * Origin: The future's uncertain, the end is always near. (21:3/101)
  • From Spectre@21:3/101 to McDoob on Fri Apr 15 12:46:00 2022
    Unfortunately, a significant portion of those messages were of the poo-flinging variety. I can see why others might not want that pointed

    "If you have any poo, fling it now!"


    *** THE READER V4.50 [freeware]
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    * Origin: The future's uncertain, the end is always near. (21:3/101)
  • From Spectre@21:3/101 to The Millionaire on Tue Apr 19 22:11:00 2022
    Dud, put your sock back in your keyboard, please!


    *** THE READER V4.50 [freeware]
    --- SuperBBS v1.17-3 (Eval)
    * Origin: The future's uncertain, the end is always near. (21:3/101)
  • From Spectre@21:3/101 to dotslash on Thu Apr 21 15:35:00 2022
    It took me a while to suss out how to block, then I saw that Mystic has
    a twit filter built in. This seemed like a good opportunity to test it

    You lucky devil you! I don't have that option or anything close to it...

    Spec


    *** THE READER V4.50 [freeware]
    --- SuperBBS v1.17-3 (Eval)
    * Origin: The future's uncertain, the end is always near. (21:3/101)
  • From claw@21:1/210 to Spectre on Thu Apr 21 07:50:38 2022
    So we got a new kitty and hes super fluffy. This problem with this is he get his own poop stuck on him. So Yester day I'm working (I work from home) and here he come just meow meow meow. Like help me meow. I look over and he had a whole poop stuck to his back foot. So he come running over leave a poop streak all the way climbs up my leg and before I can grab him and help he jump up on my keyboard. Poop EVERYWHERE! I'm like OMG stop! So I finally get him and take him to the sink. Hes gottin to know what this is and was super upset about it but got his quick bath and I went to clean myself the floor and my keyboard.

    There is your poop flinging story.

    DrClaw
    Sysop Noverdu BBS (Noverdu.com)
    BBS Specs 64 CORE/192G Ram/Dell Server

    --- Mystic BBS v1.12 A47 2021/12/24 (Linux/64)
    * Origin: Noverdu BBS (21:1/210)
  • From Nightfox@21:1/137 to Spectre on Thu Apr 21 09:39:52 2022
    Re: Re: Nightmares / Dreams
    By: Spectre to echicken on Thu Apr 07 2022 03:49 pm

    That's an egg-dog.

    Better known as a foldy or foldie depending on your university, usually associated with spreads.

    I've never heard of a foldy/foldie.

    Nightfox
    --- SBBSecho 3.15-Win32
    * Origin: Digital Distortion: digdist.synchro.net (21:1/137)
  • From Nightfox@21:1/137 to Spectre on Thu Apr 21 09:42:48 2022
    Re: Nightmares / Dreams
    By: Spectre to The Millionaire on Thu Apr 14 2022 08:48 am

    Und deine grossmutter auftragen wehrmachten schuhe!

    I'm pretty sure the correct conjugation would be "auftragt" :P

    Nightfox
    --- SBBSecho 3.15-Win32
    * Origin: Digital Distortion: digdist.synchro.net (21:1/137)
  • From McDoob@21:4/135 to Spectre on Thu Apr 21 14:34:10 2022
    extra coating on the tongue so you can't taste how bad coffee really is?

    Yeah, basically... (^_^)

    McDoob
    SysOp, PiBBS
    pibbs.sytes.net

    ... There is an exception to every rule, except this one.

    --- Mystic BBS v1.12 A47 2021/12/24 (Raspberry Pi/32)
    * Origin: PiBBS (21:4/135)
  • From 2twisty@21:3/166 to Spectre on Thu Apr 21 18:29:18 2022

    "If you have any poo, fling it now!"

    Personally, I prefer a higher-tech approach. "Flinging" is for chimpanzees. I prefer to stand behind the fan and gently lob it in.

    --- Mystic BBS v1.12 A47 2021/12/24 (Linux/64)
    * Origin: The Ratrace Losers (21:3/166)
  • From 2twisty@21:3/166 to claw on Thu Apr 21 19:08:52 2022
    So we got a new kitty and hes super fluffy. This problem with this is
    he get his own poop stuck on him. So Yester day I'm working (I work

    Ah, the joy of having floofs.

    I have a pomeranian, so I feel your pain. Although, she doesn't jump on my keyboard. She just scootches her butt across the floor like a burnt seinna crayola.

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  • From Spectre@21:3/101 to Nightfox on Fri Apr 22 11:54:00 2022

    I've never heard of a foldy/foldie.

    You've been missing out...

    Spec


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  • From Nightfox@21:1/137 to Spectre on Thu Apr 21 19:10:08 2022
    Re: Re: Nightmares / Dreams
    By: Spectre to Nightfox on Fri Apr 22 2022 11:54 am

    I've never heard of a foldy/foldie.

    You've been missing out...

    Well I've made sandwiches by folding a piece of bread over; I've just never heard them called a foldy or foldie.

    Nightfox
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  • From claw@21:1/210 to 2twisty on Thu Apr 21 21:59:32 2022
    Ah, the joy of having floofs.

    I have a pomeranian, so I feel your pain. Although, she doesn't jump on my keyboard. She just scootches her butt across the floor like a burnt seinna crayola.

    Now thats a perfect description. I might steal that from you. Lucky it was a Surface pro so I could quickly remove the KB and fix the situation. I keep a fair amount of 90proof alcohol around for just such a need. There just so damn cute that its hard to be irritated about it.

    DrClaw
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  • From Spectre@21:3/101 to 2twisty on Fri Apr 22 13:19:00 2022
    "If you have any poo, fling it now!"

    Personally, I prefer a higher-tech approach. "Flinging" is for chimpanzees. I prefer to stand behind the fan and gently lob it in.

    Chuckle.. it goes for the GRape Apes too... but that does seem much more civilised..

    Spec


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  • From The Millionaire@21:1/183 to All on Sat Mar 26 18:01:58 2022
    Are they real or not? What causes them as well?

    $ The Millionaire $
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  • From StormTrooper@21:2/108 to The Millionaire on Sun Mar 27 01:39:34 2022
    You're getting horribly prolific with these 1 line questions... while its possible to ignore, its still irritating.. How about winding it back a tad

    ST

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  • From Exodus@21:1/176 to Stormtrooper on Sat Mar 26 23:27:34 2022
    You're getting horribly prolific with these 1 line questions... while its possible to ignore, its still irritating.. How about winding it back a tad

    Oh ... better not say anything. Someone's gonna yell like they did to me when I told him to bite off. ;)

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  • From boraxman@21:1/101 to The Millionaire on Sun Mar 27 21:50:38 2022
    Are they real or not? What causes them as well?


    Eating lots of cheese late at night can do it, cause nightmares that is, such as having a late night cheesy pizza. Some medications as well can cause nightmares.

    They obviously aren't real, and neither are dreams.

    By the way, I find my dreams more vivid, or more memorable the night or two after having had a poor nights sleep.

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