• Re: Sysops / Users

    From Vk3jed@21:1/109 to Barmed on Sun Jan 10 04:02:00 2021
    On 01-08-21 06:54, Barmed wrote to Vk3jed <=-

    On 08 Jan 2021, Vk3jed said the following...

    On 01-07-21 15:21, Avon wrote to Adept <=-

    But if you set something up for yourself, and others happen to find i like it, use it, then it's like the cherry on top...

    That's my philosophy. If I get no users, I'm not worried, but users are more than welcome here. :)


    That's what held me up for years. "What could I possibly offer in a BBS that 50 people aren't already doing better?" I'm no ANSI artist, nor a strong programmer. But setting up and running a BBS is something I've wanted to do since I discovered them when I was a teenager.

    Yeah art and mods aren't my thing. Files are just a pain to manage, nrvrt really been into games of any kind either, but I found my home in messaging, and being a sysop meant I could get the message networks I wanted. :)


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  • From Adept@21:2/108 to Barmed on Sat Jan 9 22:19:22 2021
    that 50 people aren't already doing better?" I'm no ANSI artist, nor a strong programmer. But setting up and running a BBS is something I've

    I mean, I'm not much of an ANSI artist, nor particularly strong at
    programming; I just made 100s of ANSIs and got slightly better, and code
    until I get what I want.

    I think BBSs are especially good for this -- if you're already handling the technical difficulties of getting a BBS setup, you can probably handle the logic of figuring out some Python script.

    And with ANSI, you can use reference images to help you draw, these days, and you're oftentimes working in an 80x25 space anyway, so it feels like a bit
    more constrained of a canvas, and thus perhaps more approachable.

    But not that you _have_ to do any of that -- sysops are basically doing lots
    of unpaid labor for fun, so it better be something you want done, or enjoy doing.

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  • From Adept@21:2/108 to Arelor on Sat Jan 9 22:28:56 2021
    I would say design your bbs that somehow reflects your
    personality and interests.
    That is dangerous, because then it becomes extremely personal.

    Wow, that was a really dark slippery-slope argument.

    Then you start crying, because the worlds rejection against your board
    is an indirect rejection of your personality, of which the board is an extension.

    ...but you still made a cool thing. That you could still share with the
    people in your life in another way, if having other people see the cool thing were important to you.

    E.g., I have my calendar ANSIs, but pretty much no real-life friends call. So
    I converted them to PNGs and posted them to Facebook, or shared the better
    ones on Discord. Or in personal chats.

    Without a doubt, this is not a hobby where you go, "I'm working on this cool thing. Now, everyone notice me!" while people remain entirely unaware of your existence.

    But it's _still_ easier for people to call a BBS than it is to see some painting someone made.

    Your depressing slippery slope applies to pretty much _every_ hobby.

    I know, I know, I am the optimistic guy in the block.

    Yep!

    Still, I look forward to reading your stuff at some point in the future, even if I'm bad about calling the paper-plane BBS because I'm so absorbed in my
    own projects.

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  • From Barmed@21:4/127 to Adept on Sat Jan 9 18:15:38 2021
    On 09 Jan 2021, Adept said the following...
    I mean, I'm not much of an ANSI artist, nor particularly strong at programming; I just made 100s of ANSIs and got slightly better, and code until I get what I want.


    It's a not so funny joke in my family that I can't draw a straight line with
    a ruler. :-)

    But Yeah, it's something I could work at at some point.
    I think BBSs are especially good for this -- if you're already handling the technical difficulties of getting a BBS setup, you can probably
    handle the logic of figuring out some Python script.


    Programming is less of a worry for me. I understand it somewhat, I'm just decades out of practice. I have done a lot of trouble shooting and finding issues with other peoples programs since then, so It's mostly a matter of
    just doing it.
    And with ANSI, you can use reference images to help you draw, these
    days, and you're oftentimes working in an 80x25 space anyway, so it
    feels like a bit more constrained of a canvas, and thus perhaps more approachable.

    But not that you _have_ to do any of that -- sysops are basically doing lots of unpaid labor for fun, so it better be something you want done,
    or enjoy doing.


    It's stuff I'd like to do, eventually. It's just a matter of focus.

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  • From Arelor@21:2/138 to Adept on Sat Jan 9 18:24:22 2021
    Re: Re: Sysops / Users
    By: Adept to Arelor on Sat Jan 09 2021 02:28 pm

    Your depressing slippery slope applies to pretty much _every_ hobby.

    Dunno, it depends.

    There are hobbies that need other people to work. You can't be an IRC service operator if there are no IRC users. You can do bodybuilding for the sake of flexing your muscles at the mirror, but building a messaging platform that is not going to gather users? Hmmm...

    Main reason I turned my social activities to the English speaking comunity is because nobody in fucking Spain cares for anything that I do. For engineering networks and having fun with tech that is not a problem, until you want to get a shell service or an IRC server started. I got lots of people on board with my stuff in the 'muricas but if it weren't for these people I would not be doing shit with my hobbies.

    Speaking of which, I am planing to run a roguelike game server. I expect some funding to roll in for this one from interested people :-) I plan to offer Rogue V5, Rogue Clone III, and if I can manage, Moria and Lynsey's Dungeon Crawl.

    I wonder if there would be a reasonable way to integrate this with a BBS service.


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  • From Ogg@21:4/106.21 to Barmed on Sun Jan 10 01:25:00 2021
    Hello Barmed!

    ** On Saturday 09.01.21 - 10:15, Barmed wrote to Adept:

    But not that you _have_ to do any of that -- sysops are basically doing
    lots of unpaid labor for fun, so it better be something you want done,
    or enjoy doing.

    It's stuff I'd like to do, eventually. It's just a matter of focus.

    Then you need to take up photography. THAT's where it is "a
    matter of focus". <g,d,h>


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  • From Ogg@21:4/106.21 to Arelor on Sun Jan 10 06:43:00 2021
    Hello Arelor!

    ** On Friday 08.01.21 - 17:40, Arelor wrote to Ogg:

    I would say design your bbs that somehow reflects your
    personality and interests.

    That is dangerous, because then it becomes extremely personal.

    What project *isn't* personal? ;)

    You design the BBS in such a way that it matters to you by
    including stuff that is meaningful to you. Ie if you like
    paper planes you fill your BBS with paper planes. The BBS
    becomes an extension of your personality.

    Then nobody calls in a year, but a troll and a buch of
    Internet bots.

    Well, you've left a big gap between "design the BBS" and "nobody
    calls". What did you do in between? You should probably do
    some marketing and advertise its existence somehow.

    Then you start crying, because the worlds rejection against
    your board is an indirect rejection of your personality, of
    which the board is an extension.

    I am pretty sure that most sysops would primarily build their
    BBSes for their own interest. If there are some callers, that's
    fine, but it's not the be all and end all purpose of building
    that little space of personality.

    Lots of projects work in a fulfilling way if it is just the
    maintainer who cares, but projects with a social component
    don't.

    A BBS certainly has a social component. But some sysops can
    operate in a hands-off manner and monitor things in the
    background.

    I know, I know, I am the optimistic guy in the block.

    I'd probably visit your paper airplanes themed bbs if I heard
    about it and if it sounded interesting.

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  • From Vk3jed@21:1/109 to Barmed on Mon Jan 11 03:24:00 2021
    On 01-09-21 10:15, Barmed wrote to Adept <=-

    It's a not so funny joke in my family that I can't draw a straight line with a ruler. :-)

    My joke is I failed finger painting in kindergartenb. :D

    Programming is less of a worry for me. I understand it somewhat, I'm
    just decades out of practice. I have done a lot of trouble shooting
    and finding issues with other peoples programs since then, so It's
    mostly a matter of just doing it.

    With me, programming doesn't fit who I am. I have the technical aptitude, but not the right mental states. I had to quit coding in 1987 (other than absolutely necessary) to save my sanity, as I found coding very isolating and depressing. And it's also a very sedentary activity, which also isn't sustainable for long periods.

    And with ANSI, you can use reference images to help you draw, these
    days, and you're oftentimes working in an 80x25 space anyway, so it
    feels like a bit more constrained of a canvas, and thus perhaps more approachable.

    I find it harder, because it's even harder to get what I want to be visible. I also find the interfaces of a lot of drawing software hard to work with.

    But not that you _have_ to do any of that -- sysops are basically doing lots of unpaid labor for fun, so it better be something you want done,
    or enjoy doing.

    Exactly, and this is where the "eliteism " of ANSI art and mods irritates me.


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  • From Vk3jed@21:1/109 to poindexter FORTRAN on Mon Jan 11 03:28:00 2021
    On 01-09-21 07:03, poindexter FORTRAN wrote to Barmed <=-

    I'm a pretty bad ANSI artist, and I was intimidated by some of the
    efforts of the ANSI groups and other people's work, but I started a BBS

    I just couldn't get ANSI art to work, and software like TheDraw just frustrated me. I don't work well with drawing software interfaces in general.

    mostly to have a single place to read all of my messages. It was the technical challenges that I gounf entertaining; gluing together a
    mailer, nodelist utilities, file echo tossers, mail tossers, a BBS, and all of the associated stuff, tied together with a batch file, and
    serving messages and files off of a cast-off PC sitting in the corner running DOS - that was fun.

    That was me as well. I loved the technical challengeof getting all the sofware woring properly. :) And I also loved the interaction oofreading messages, and the social challenges of mixing different user groups on the one BBS, which was sometimes a big thing in the eary 90s.


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  • From Barmed@21:4/127 to Vk3jed on Sun Jan 10 15:00:58 2021
    On 10 Jan 2021, Vk3jed said the following...
    Programming is less of a worry for me. I understand it somewhat, I'm just decades out of practice. I have done a lot of trouble shooting and finding issues with other peoples programs since then, so It's mostly a matter of just doing it.

    With me, programming doesn't fit who I am. I have the technical
    aptitude, but not the right mental states. I had to quit coding in 1987 (other than absolutely necessary) to save my sanity, as I found coding very isolating and depressing. And it's also a very sedentary activity, which also isn't sustainable for long periods.


    My problem is that I'm at times able to multitask, and othervtimes I
    hyperfocus on something so much that nothing else around me matters. And
    right now, neither of those modes are working. I have so many things that I want/need to do that nothing actually is getting done, but I can't really
    focus one one thing, because there are things like helping my wife while
    she's recovering that don't take all of my time, but need to be attended to when she needs it. When I do get focused, I can't do that.
    And with ANSI, you can use reference images to help you draw, these days, and you're oftentimes working in an 80x25 space anyway, so it feels like a bit more constrained of a canvas, and thus perhaps more approachable.

    I find it harder, because it's even harder to get what I want to be visible. I also find the interfaces of a lot of drawing software hard

    But not that you _have_ to do any of that -- sysops are basically doi lots of unpaid labor for fun, so it better be something you want done or enjoy doing.
    to work with.

    Exactly, and this is where the "eliteism " of ANSI art and mods
    irritates me.


    I like ANSI art, but sonetimes it seems really overdone. If/when I get
    around to that, I'd just want something simple, but nice looking.

    But that's so far back on the list, I don't even really think about it.

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  • From Barmed@21:4/127 to Vk3jed on Sun Jan 10 15:10:18 2021
    On 10 Jan 2021, Vk3jed said the following...
    mostly to have a single place to read all of my messages. It was the technical challenges that I gounf entertaining; gluing together a mailer, nodelist utilities, file echo tossers, mail tossers, a BBS, a all of the associated stuff, tied together with a batch file, and serving messages and files off of a cast-off PC sitting in the corner running DOS - that was fun.

    That was me as well. I loved the technical challengeof getting all the sofware woring properly. :) And I also loved the interaction oofreading messages, and the social challenges of mixing different user groups on
    the one BBS, which was sometimes a big thing in the eary 90s.


    Those are all similar to my reasons as well. I'm not a social person by nature. I actually thought about it a couple of days ago, There is exactly
    one person I regularly talk to in person that isn't a family member. And I probably talk more in the BBS community than I do with him.

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  • From Ogg@21:4/106.21 to Vk3jed on Sun Jan 10 17:14:00 2021
    Hello Vk3jed!

    ** On Sunday 10.01.21 - 19:24, Vk3jed wrote to Barmed:

    With me, programming doesn't fit who I am. I have the technical aptitude, but not the right mental states. I had to quit coding in 1987 (other than absolutely necessary) to save my sanity, as I found coding very isolating and depressing. And it's also a very sedentary activity, which also isn't sustainable for long periods.

    Programming is certainly not for everyone. Some would think it is boring. But I wouldn't attach the adjective sedentary to it. Along with several conventional programming languages under my belt when I worked in industry, I programmed in ATLAS. While waiting for one set of code to compile, I worked on another. Programming was the opposite of sedentary to me.


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  • From Ogg@21:4/106.21 to Vk3jed on Sun Jan 10 17:16:00 2021
    Hello Vk3jed!

    ** On Sunday 10.01.21 - 19:28, Vk3jed wrote to poindexter FORTRAN:

    I'm a pretty bad ANSI artist, and I was intimidated by some of the
    efforts of the ANSI groups and other people's work, but I started a BBS

    I just couldn't get ANSI art to work, and software like TheDraw just frustrated me. I don't work well with drawing software interfaces in general.

    There was something about the TheDraw that I had problems with too! But I really wanted to port my artistic skills to ansi art, but never did.



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  • From poindexter FORTRAN@21:4/122 to Vk3jed on Sun Jan 10 17:13:00 2021
    Vk3jed wrote to poindexter FORTRAN <=-

    and the social challenges of mixing different user
    groups on the one BBS, which was sometimes a big thing in the eary 90s.

    So true, especially with local BBSes where we'd get together every couple of months. Real-life interaction (in "meatspace" as we jokingly called it back then; we thought we were "cyberspace jockeys") gave a depth to interacting online that you don't get nowadays.




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  • From poindexter FORTRAN@21:4/122 to Ogg on Sun Jan 10 19:05:00 2021
    Ogg wrote to Vk3jed <=-

    There was something about the TheDraw that I had problems with too! But
    I really wanted to port my artistic skills to ansi art, but never did.

    Ditto. PabloDraw is a lot more intuitive to me, and I've done more with it this year than all other years with TheDraw combined.


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  • From Ogg@21:4/106.21 to poindexter FORTRAN on Mon Jan 11 01:46:00 2021
    Hello poindexter!

    ** On Sunday 10.01.21 - 11:05, poindexter FORTRAN wrote to Ogg:

    ..PabloDraw is a lot more intuitive to me, and I've done
    more with it this year than all other years with TheDraw
    combined.

    Did you use it to design your logo? It's a nice result.


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  • From poindexter FORTRAN@21:4/122 to Ogg on Mon Jan 11 04:11:28 2021
    Re: Sysops / Users
    By: Ogg to poindexter FORTRAN on Sun Jan 10 2021 05:46 pm

    Did you use it to design your logo? It's a nice result.

    The "good" logos were all done by a volunteer on a Facebook BBS group. The rest were done by me with PD. :)
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  • From Vk3jed@21:1/109 to Barmed on Thu Jan 14 03:42:00 2021
    On 01-10-21 07:00, Barmed wrote to Vk3jed <=-

    My problem is that I'm at times able to multitask, and othervtimes I hyperfocus on something so much that nothing else around me matters.
    And right now, neither of those modes are working. I have so many
    things that I want/need to do that nothing actually is getting done,
    but I can't really focus one one thing, because there are things like helping my wife while she's recovering that don't take all of my time,
    but need to be attended to when she needs it. When I do get focused, I can't do that.

    I need connection to people, and that's what killed the coding stone dead. Had I known what I know now, I could have backed off and avoided the full on burnout, which would have allowed me to keep it as a hobby, but I only knew hyperforus back then. And yes, I see your problem. Hope your wife's doing well.

    I like ANSI art, but sonetimes it seems really overdone. If/when I get around to that, I'd just want something simple, but nice looking.

    I like or love a lot of the art, but not the attitude that some have.


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  • From Vk3jed@21:1/109 to Barmed on Thu Jan 14 03:45:00 2021
    On 01-10-21 07:10, Barmed wrote to Vk3jed <=-

    Those are all similar to my reasons as well. I'm not a social person
    by nature. I actually thought about it a couple of days ago, There is exactly one person I regularly talk to in person that isn't a family member. And I probably talk more in the BBS community than I do with
    him.

    I'm the opposite, quite social and always doing something. :) Interesting that our BBSing reasons are still the same.


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  • From Vk3jed@21:1/109 to Ogg on Thu Jan 14 03:46:00 2021
    On 01-10-21 09:14, Ogg wrote to Vk3jed <=-

    Programming is certainly not for everyone. Some would think it is
    boring. But I wouldn't attach the adjective sedentary to it. Along with several conventional programming languages under my belt when I worked
    in industry, I programmed in ATLAS. While waiting for one set of code
    to compile, I worked on another. Programming was the opposite of
    sedentary to me.

    So, you run around while coding? ;)


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  • From Vk3jed@21:1/109 to Ogg on Thu Jan 14 03:47:00 2021
    On 01-10-21 09:16, Ogg wrote to Vk3jed <=-

    I just couldn't get ANSI art to work, and software like TheDraw just frustrated me. I don't work well with drawing software interfaces in general.

    There was something about the TheDraw that I had problems with too! But
    I really wanted to port my artistic skills to ansi art, but never did.

    My issues are more general with drawing software. I fared even worse with PabloDraw. :(


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  • From Vk3jed@21:1/109 to poindexter FORTRAN on Thu Jan 14 03:52:00 2021
    On 01-10-21 09:13, poindexter FORTRAN wrote to Vk3jed <=-

    Vk3jed wrote to poindexter FORTRAN <=-

    and the social challenges of mixing different user
    groups on the one BBS, which was sometimes a big thing in the eary 90s.

    So true, especially with local BBSes where we'd get together every
    couple of months. Real-life interaction (in "meatspace" as we jokingly called it back then; we thought we were "cyberspace jockeys") gave a
    depth to interacting online that you don't get nowadays.

    Yes, used to love local meets.


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  • From Ogg@21:4/106.21 to Vk3jed on Wed Jan 13 14:38:00 2021
    Hello Vk3jed!

    ** On Wednesday 13.01.21 - 19:46, Vk3jed wrote to Ogg:

    Programming was the opposite of
    sedentary to me.

    So, you run around while coding? ;)

    Oh I see what you mean; coding = sitting. But actually, I
    *would* move around a lot.

    For one thing, I could often think better when I could pace
    around bit every few minutes.

    And, in my case, after a successful compilation, I had to get up
    and go to the test station hardware (the product where the
    resultant code was eventually loaded to run) to check the
    results. The MicroVAX on which the compilation was performed
    was at a remote location in the building, but the product
    machine was across the hall from me - in a locked secure room.

    I often had multiple segments of code for different functions
    and features compiling while I was checking the results of other
    bits of code on the product.

    Can you visualize that now?


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  • From Barmed@21:4/127 to Vk3jed on Wed Jan 13 14:11:16 2021
    On 13 Jan 2021, Vk3jed said the following...
    I need connection to people, and that's what killed the coding stone
    dead. Had I known what I know now, I could have backed off and avoided the full on burnout, which would have allowed me to keep it as a hobby, but I only knew hyperforus back then. And yes, I see your problem.
    Hope your wife's doing well.

    She's doing much better. Mostly she's frustrated that her energy levels
    aren't what she wants them to be. She's always been independent and the
    person that helps everyone else. Needing someone else to help her and letting them is not a thing she likes.

    I like ANSI art, but sonetimes it seems really overdone. If/when I g around to that, I'd just want something simple, but nice looking.

    I like or love a lot of the art, but not the attitude that some have.


    There us that too.

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  • From Adept@21:2/108 to poindexter FORTRAN on Thu Jan 14 03:04:12 2021
    There was something about the TheDraw that I had problems with too! B I really wanted to port my artistic skills to ansi art, but never did

    Ditto. PabloDraw is a lot more intuitive to me, and I've done more with
    it this year than all other years with TheDraw combined.

    Agreed, though I've found Moebius more intuitive than PabloDraw.

    But TheDraw seems to be the only option for making animations, from what I
    know of.

    But it's hard to make animations work decently anyway, so I'd probably just
    do any future animations in code.

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  • From JF@21:2/110 to Ogg on Wed Jan 13 22:20:04 2021
    For one thing, I could often think better when I could pace
    around bit every few minutes.

    Same here. Every time I write a few lines of code or, get something to work, reach a small milestone, get paste a hurdle, etc, I pace around the house for
    a bit. It helps me, though not sure in which way exactly.

    I also have a stand up desk, so I'm actually standing up half the day...

    That aside, I'll confess I'm pretty much sedentary. I try to go for walks outside every day but lately I've been so caught up with work I barely stop
    all day. Not very healthy... I hope things return to normal soon so that I
    can take the time to have a proper lunch, go for a walk, etc.

    JF

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  • From Arelor@21:2/138 to JF on Thu Jan 14 02:04:28 2021
    Re: Re: Sysops / Users
    By: JF to Ogg on Wed Jan 13 2021 02:20 pm

    For one thing, I could often think better when I could pace
    around bit every few minutes.

    Same here. Every time I write a few lines of code or, get something to work, reach a small milestone, get paste a hurdle, etc, I pace around the house fo a bit. It helps me, though not sure in which way exactly.

    I also have a stand up desk, so I'm actually standing up half the day...

    I had not realized, but I also move a lot while doing code and computer stuff.

    It is a combination of factors. FOr one thing, I use multiple computers that are phisically separate, often in different rooms, at once. I may have one start downloading stuff, move to a different computer, code something, then go back to the first one, set it to compile something, and return to the second one.

    Also I have the scanners and printers separated from where my computers are, so when I need to print or scan anything (which is quite common) I have to walk
    to the printers and back.


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  • From JF@21:2/110 to Arelor on Thu Jan 14 11:27:48 2021
    It is a combination of factors. FOr one thing, I use multiple computers that are phisically separate, often in different rooms, at once. I may have one start downloading stuff, move to a different computer, code something, then go back to the first one, set it to compile something,
    and return to the second one.

    I'm picturing a movie on Hacking where the character, in the dark and in
    front of dimly lit screens, moves from one console to the next.

    So if I understand correctly, the morale of the story is: To stay active, as much as possible, spread all of your devices as far apart across the entire house. Jokes aside, that's not a bad way of doing. At least it keeps you moving. My computer is on the 2nd floor, the kitchen is on the first floor,
    and the printer is in the basement... So if I want to eat or print something,
    I have to take the stairs... which I must take MANY times a day.. Every
    little bit helps I suppose.

    JF

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  • From Ogg@21:4/106.21 to JF on Thu Jan 14 16:10:00 2021
    Hello Jf!

    ** On Thursday 14.01.21 - 03:27, JF wrote to Arelor:

    ..My computer is on the 2nd floor, the kitchen is on the
    first floor, and the printer is in the basement... So if I
    want to eat or print something, I have to take the stairs...
    which I must take MANY times a day.. Every little bit helps
    I suppose.

    WHY does the printer need to reside in the basement? Is it one
    of those heavy-duty commercial types that simply too big to tuck
    away in a corner of your 2nd floor ops-control room?


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  • From JF@21:2/110 to Ogg on Thu Jan 14 22:54:04 2021
    Hello again Ogg! :)

    On 14 Jan 2021, Ogg inked down this thought...

    WHY does the printer need to reside in the basement? Is it one
    of those heavy-duty commercial types that simply too big to tuck
    away in a corner of your 2nd floor ops-control room?

    Well, good point. It's not one of those big ones. It's just an el-cheapo
    laser Brother printer. But, I should give it more credit. It was cheap to
    buy, it's cheap to run, and it has never failed me. It's a pretty darn good printer, even if a little basic. It does the job. It even prints double-sided!

    With the work-from-home thing, my "office space", for lack of a better term, has moved considerably from one room to the other. I guess some of the appliances didn't always follow along the way... Currently, I sit in a repurposed bedroom with my computer. I think this time I'm here to stay. The basement was a little too loud to my liking...

    JF

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  • From Vk3jed@21:1/109 to Ogg on Sat Jan 16 03:36:00 2021
    On 01-13-21 06:38, Ogg wrote to Vk3jed <=-

    So, you run around while coding? ;)

    Oh I see what you mean; coding = sitting. But actually, I
    *would* move around a lot.

    For one thing, I could often think better when I could pace
    around bit every few minutes.

    Ahh, OK, understandable, though still far below the level (and type) of movement I need these days.

    And, in my case, after a successful compilation, I had to get up
    and go to the test station hardware (the product where the
    resultant code was eventually loaded to run) to check the
    results. The MicroVAX on which the compilation was performed
    was at a remote location in the building, but the product
    machine was across the hall from me - in a locked secure room.

    I often had multiple segments of code for different functions
    and features compiling while I was checking the results of other
    bits of code on the product.

    Can you visualize that now?

    Yeah, I've had to do similar at times when setting stuff up, until I could get reliable network access. :) But you're talking to someone who does have a number of 500-1000 calories (of activity) days, and even then, if the type of activity isn't right, it's not as effective. :)


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  • From Vk3jed@21:1/109 to Barmed on Sat Jan 16 03:39:00 2021
    On 01-13-21 06:11, Barmed wrote to Vk3jed <=-

    Hope your wife's doing well.

    She's doing much better. Mostly she's frustrated that her energy levels aren't what she wants them to be. She's always been independent and the person that helps everyone else. Needing someone else to help her and letting them is not a thing she likes.

    Good to hear she's doing well.


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  • From Nightfox@21:1/137 to poindexter FORTRAN on Fri Oct 22 16:31:26 2021
    Re: Re: Sysops / Users
    By: poindexter FORTRAN to Vk3jed on Sun Jan 10 2021 09:13 am

    So true, especially with local BBSes where we'd get together every couple of months. Real-life interaction (in "meatspace" as we jokingly called it back then; we thought we were "cyberspace jockeys") gave a depth to interacting online that you don't get nowadays.

    I'd never heard the term "meatspace" until recently.

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  • From Avon@21:1/101 to Nightfox on Sat Oct 23 14:36:00 2021
    On 22 Oct 2021 at 04:31p, Nightfox pondered and said...

    I'd never heard the term "meatspace" until recently.

    I had heard of it and recall thinking ewwww... when I did, but I guess it's like a 2020s version of IRL.

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  • From poindexter FORTRAN@21:4/122 to Avon on Wed Oct 27 08:46:00 2021
    Avon wrote to Nightfox <=-

    I had heard of it and recall thinking ewwww... when I did, but I guess it's like a 2020s version of IRL.

    It dates back to Cyberpunk fiction, Mondo 2000 and the 1990s - when we were all sure we'd be jacked into a virtual reality Metaverse.
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  • From aLPHA@21:4/158 to poindexter FORTRAN on Wed Oct 27 16:03:00 2021

    It dates back to Cyberpunk fiction, Mondo 2000 and the 1990s - when we
    were
    all sure we'd be jacked into a virtual reality Metaverse.


    Still waiting for the Snow Crash HBO series! :)



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  • From Oli@21:3/102 to poindexter FORTRAN on Thu Oct 28 07:35:26 2021
    poindexter wrote (2021-10-27):

    Avon wrote to Nightfox <=-

    I had heard of it and recall thinking ewwww... when I did, but I
    guess it's like a 2020s version of IRL.

    It dates back to Cyberpunk fiction, Mondo 2000 and the 1990s - when we were all sure we'd be jacked into a virtual reality Metaverse.

    Fortunately Zuckerborg and will build the real (non-fictional) metaverse for us.

    https://www.newyorker.com/culture/infinite-scroll/facebook-wants-us-to-live-in-the-metaverse
    https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-58949867

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  • From MeaTLoTioN@21:1/158 to poindexter FORTRAN on Thu Oct 28 10:34:04 2021
    couple of months. Real-life interaction (in "meatspace" as we jokingly called it back then; we thought we were "cyberspace jockeys") gave a depth to interacting online that you don't get nowadays.

    I am down with "meatspace" - I already have my own "meatups" with friends in MRC, a "meatspace" would be an ideal next step.

    Thanks for the idea!

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  • From MeaTLoTioN@21:1/158 to Adept on Thu Oct 28 10:39:10 2021
    Agreed, though I've found Moebius more intuitive than PabloDraw.

    Right on, Moebius rocks, I tried Pablo and never really got it, then when AndyH made Moebius and I tried it, it immediately felt spot on. I don't use anything else.

    But TheDraw seems to be the only option for making animations, from what
    I know of.

    Yeah that is true from what I have found out, I wish Moebius could handle ansimations too.

    But it's hard to make animations work decently anyway, so I'd probably just do any future animations in code.

    Right, that's exactly what I do, or even more cheat-y, just do several ansi's and then in code display each one with a 100ms delay or something, it gives the impression of animation lol, doesn't always work, but on some things it can.

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  • From Nightfox@21:1/137 to Oli on Thu Oct 28 08:42:48 2021
    Re: Sysops / Users
    By: Oli to poindexter FORTRAN on Thu Oct 28 2021 07:35 am

    It dates back to Cyberpunk fiction, Mondo 2000 and the 1990s - when
    we were all sure we'd be jacked into a virtual reality Metaverse.

    Fortunately Zuckerborg and will build the real (non-fictional) metaverse for us.

    https://www.newyorker.com/culture/infinite-scroll/facebook-wants-us-to-liv e-in-the-metaverse https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-58949867

    Something like that has already been around for quite a while: Second Life (which I heard was inspired by Snow Crash).

    Aside from "Zuckerborg", I've also seen some people call him "Fuckerberg".

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  • From aLPHA@21:4/158 to Nightfox on Thu Oct 28 14:50:28 2021
    Fortunately Zuckerborg and will build the real (non-fictional)
    metaverse
    for us.

    What could go wrong


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  • From Nightfox@21:1/137 to aLPHA on Thu Oct 28 15:13:44 2021
    Re: Sysops / Users
    By: aLPHA to Nightfox on Thu Oct 28 2021 02:50 pm

    Fortunately Zuckerborg and will build the real (non-fictional)
    metaverse
    for us.

    What could go wrong

    You replied to me but quoted someone else's text..

    Nightfox
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  • From Geri Atricks@21:4/102 to Nightfox on Sat Oct 30 11:39:44 2021
    Aside from "Zuckerborg", I've also seen some people call him
    "Fuckerberg".

    I like ZuckerBitch. :D :D :D
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  • From Geri Atricks@21:4/102 to aLPHA on Sat Oct 30 11:43:20 2021
    Fortunately Zuckerborg and will build the real (non-fictional)
    metaverse
    for us.

    What could go wrong

    you mean besides the fact that it's going to be even MORE invasive then FB already is when it comes to your privacy? With the Launch of Meta you can
    kiss your privacy goodbye. This is why as soon as can figure out a way to sepparart my personal account from the community action groups page that I'm
    in charge of, I will be forever deleting my FB account, and Zuckerbitch can kiss my A$$.
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  • From Avon@21:1/101 to poindexter FORTRAN on Sun Oct 31 14:44:24 2021
    On 27 Oct 2021 at 08:46a, poindexter FORTRAN pondered and said...

    It dates back to Cyberpunk fiction, Mondo 2000 and the 1990s - when we were all sure we'd be jacked into a virtual reality Metaverse.

    Gotcha :)

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  • From poindexter FORTRAN@21:4/122 to aLPHA on Thu Oct 28 06:53:00 2021
    aLPHA wrote to poindexter FORTRAN <=-

    Still waiting for the Snow Crash HBO series! :)

    I would have liked a "Lawnmower Man meets Johnny Mnemonic" 90's vibe. The movie might try to take itself too seriously now.

    WHo would you cast in it?



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  • From Avon@21:1/101 to poindexter FORTRAN on Mon Nov 1 15:38:42 2021
    On 28 Oct 2021 at 06:53a, poindexter FORTRAN pondered and said...

    I would have liked a "Lawnmower Man meets Johnny Mnemonic" 90's vibe.
    The movie might try to take itself too seriously now.

    WHo would you cast in it?

    this sounds like a good thread for FSX_VIDEO too

    Personally I hated the graphics in Lawnmower Man but (from memory) the story was good.

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  • From poindexter FORTRAN@21:4/122 to Geri Atricks on Sun Oct 31 07:59:00 2021
    Geri Atricks wrote to Nightfox <=-

    Aside from "Zuckerborg", I've also seen some people call him
    "Fuckerberg".

    I like ZuckerBitch. :D :D :D

    I'm thinking Beaker, the more I see/listen to him.


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  • From poindexter FORTRAN@21:4/122 to Geri Atricks on Sun Oct 31 08:00:00 2021
    Geri Atricks wrote to aLPHA <=-

    you mean besides the fact that it's going to be even MORE invasive then
    FB already is when it comes to your privacy? With the Launch of Meta
    you can kiss your privacy goodbye. This is why as soon as can figure
    out a way to sepparart my personal account from the community action groups page that I'm in charge of, I will be forever deleting my FB account, and Zuckerbitch can kiss my A$$.

    Everyone jump on Mastadon, for lack of a better platform. I'm @poindexter@mastadon.social.

    I just deactivated my FB account, again. I may strip it of any follows and friends that I don't personally know and try again.


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  • From Nightfox@21:1/137 to Geri Atricks on Tue Nov 2 12:55:34 2021
    Re: Re: Sysops / Users
    By: Geri Atricks to Nightfox on Sat Oct 30 2021 11:39 am

    Aside from "Zuckerborg", I've also seen some people call him
    "Fuckerberg".

    I like ZuckerBitch. :D :D :D

    I also like Zuckerbot.

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  • From Avon@21:1/101 to Adept on Thu Jan 7 15:21:22 2021
    On 06 Jan 2021 at 08:34p, Adept pondered and said...

    Thank you so much! Yes, so far it has been great. Lots of fun learni to use a BBS and figuring out all the unique features of each one. I know there is a lot more to still see.

    And at some point you'll probably get the impulse to become a sysop. :)

    That said, definitely no pressure on that count, since non-sysop users
    are uncommon, these days.

    I agree, for me running a BBS is a bit like running a dedicated echomail
    client with a few extra bells etc.. and you choose who/how members of the public can see those bells and whistles... but really you run it for your own enjoyment first and foremost and it enables you to take part in chats with folks as/when you want to ...

    The days where satisfaction was driven by 30,40,50 callers a day using your system have passed, so setting up something for those reasons alone is a pathway to dissatisfaction in my humble view.

    But if you set something up for yourself, and others happen to find it, like it, use it, then it's like the cherry on top...

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  • From Vk3jed@21:1/109 to Avon on Fri Jan 8 20:53:00 2021
    On 01-07-21 15:21, Avon wrote to Adept <=-

    But if you set something up for yourself, and others happen to find it, like it, use it, then it's like the cherry on top...

    That's my philosophy. If I get no users, I'm not worried, but users are more than welcome here. :)


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  • From Barmed@21:4/127 to Vk3jed on Fri Jan 8 06:54:40 2021
    On 08 Jan 2021, Vk3jed said the following...

    On 01-07-21 15:21, Avon wrote to Adept <=-

    But if you set something up for yourself, and others happen to find i like it, use it, then it's like the cherry on top...

    That's my philosophy. If I get no users, I'm not worried, but users are more than welcome here. :)


    That's what held me up for years. "What could I possibly offer in a BBS that
    50 people aren't already doing better?" I'm no ANSI artist, nor a strong programmer. But setting up and running a BBS is something I've wanted to do since I discovered them when I was a teenager.

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  • From Arelor@21:2/138 to Barmed on Fri Jan 8 11:16:22 2021
    Re: Re: Sysops / Users
    By: Barmed to Vk3jed on Fri Jan 08 2021 06:54 am

    On 08 Jan 2021, Vk3jed said the following...

    On 01-07-21 15:21, Avon wrote to Adept <=-

    But if you set something up for yourself, and others happen to fin like it, use it, then it's like the cherry on top...

    That's my philosophy. If I get no users, I'm not worried, but users ar more than welcome here. :)


    That's what held me up for years. "What could I possibly offer in a BBS that 50 people aren't already doing better?" I'm no ANSI artist, nor a strong programmer. But setting up and running a BBS is something I've wanted to do since I discovered them when I was a teenager.

    I suspect the ticket would be to offer programs nobody else is offering, or files nobody else is offering. Otherwise there is not much of a point for a BBS other than being your personal message platform for your own use.

    But even if you want to set a game server, you can do so without a full featured BBS.

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  • From Ogg@21:4/106.21 to Barmed on Fri Jan 8 16:31:00 2021
    Hello Barmed!

    ** On Friday 08.01.21 - 06:54, Barmed wrote to Vk3jed:

    That's my philosophy. If I get no users, I'm not worried, but users are
    more than welcome here. :)


    That's what held me up for years. "What could I possibly offer in a BBS that 50 people aren't already doing better?" I'm no ANSI artist, nor a strong programmer. But setting up and running a BBS is something I've wanted to do since I discovered them when I was a teenager.

    I would say design your bbs that somehow reflects your
    personality and interests.

    You'll probably want to name it, and the name could be the
    lauchpad for more inspiration.

    Maybe find a handful of ansi art that suits a theme and
    incorporate that into some of the menus.

    If it's just for messaging, maybe just incorporate only the
    message bases that suit the theme or those that you can
    contribute to yourself.


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  • From Arelor@21:2/138 to Ogg on Fri Jan 8 17:40:06 2021
    Re: Sysops / Users
    By: Ogg to Barmed on Fri Jan 08 2021 04:31 pm

    I would say design your bbs that somehow reflects your
    personality and interests.

    That is dangerous, because then it becomes extremely personal.

    You design the BBS in such a way that it matters to you by including stuff that is meaningful to you. Ie if you like paper planes you fill your BBS with
    paper planes. The BBS becomes an extension of your personality.

    Then nobody calls in a year, but a troll and a buch of Internet bots.

    Then you start crying, because the worlds rejection against your board is an indirect rejection of your personality, of which the board is an extension.

    What I mean is just don't make an emotional investment on something you are buildig unless you already have people interested in it. Else, you risk being the only person who cares. Lots of projects work in a fulfilling way if it is just the maintainer who cares, but projects with a social component don't.

    I know, I know, I am the optimistic guy in the block.


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  • From Barmed@21:4/127 to Ogg on Fri Jan 8 17:32:08 2021
    On 08 Jan 2021, Ogg said the following...
    ** On Friday 08.01.21 - 06:54, Barmed wrote to Vk3jed:

    That's my philosophy. If I get no users, I'm not worried, but users
    more than welcome here. :)


    That's what held me up for years. "What could I possibly offer in a BB that 50 people aren't already doing better?" I'm no ANSI artist, nor a strong programmer. But setting up and running a BBS is something I've wanted to do since I discovered them when I was a teenager.

    I would say design your bbs that somehow reflects your
    personality and interests.

    You'll probably want to name it, and the name could be the
    lauchpad for more inspiration.

    Maybe find a handful of ansi art that suits a theme and
    incorporate that into some of the menus.

    If it's just for messaging, maybe just incorporate only the
    message bases that suit the theme or those that you can
    contribute to yourself.


    I'm interested in a lot of things. Some I contribute in conversationsm some I just lurk and try to learn.

    I got the name already, It's been My BBSes name since I first started
    imagining setting up a BBS on a C=64 in the 80's.

    Now I'm working on the functionality, later I'll worry about appearance.

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  • From Vk3jed@21:1/109 to Barmed on Sat Jan 9 20:02:00 2021
    On 01-08-21 06:54, Barmed wrote to Vk3jed <=-

    On 08 Jan 2021, Vk3jed said the following...

    On 01-07-21 15:21, Avon wrote to Adept <=-

    But if you set something up for yourself, and others happen to find i like it, use it, then it's like the cherry on top...

    That's my philosophy. If I get no users, I'm not worried, but users are more than welcome here. :)


    That's what held me up for years. "What could I possibly offer in a BBS that 50 people aren't already doing better?" I'm no ANSI artist, nor a strong programmer. But setting up and running a BBS is something I've wanted to do since I discovered them when I was a teenager.

    Yeah art and mods aren't my thing. Files are just a pain to manage, nrvrt really been into games of any kind either, but I found my home in messaging, and being a sysop meant I could get the message networks I wanted. :)


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  • From Adept@21:2/108 to Barmed on Sat Jan 9 14:19:22 2021
    that 50 people aren't already doing better?" I'm no ANSI artist, nor a strong programmer. But setting up and running a BBS is something I've

    I mean, I'm not much of an ANSI artist, nor particularly strong at
    programming; I just made 100s of ANSIs and got slightly better, and code
    until I get what I want.

    I think BBSs are especially good for this -- if you're already handling the technical difficulties of getting a BBS setup, you can probably handle the logic of figuring out some Python script.

    And with ANSI, you can use reference images to help you draw, these days, and you're oftentimes working in an 80x25 space anyway, so it feels like a bit
    more constrained of a canvas, and thus perhaps more approachable.

    But not that you _have_ to do any of that -- sysops are basically doing lots
    of unpaid labor for fun, so it better be something you want done, or enjoy doing.

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  • From Adept@21:2/108 to Arelor on Sat Jan 9 14:28:56 2021
    I would say design your bbs that somehow reflects your
    personality and interests.
    That is dangerous, because then it becomes extremely personal.

    Wow, that was a really dark slippery-slope argument.

    Then you start crying, because the worlds rejection against your board
    is an indirect rejection of your personality, of which the board is an extension.

    ...but you still made a cool thing. That you could still share with the
    people in your life in another way, if having other people see the cool thing were important to you.

    E.g., I have my calendar ANSIs, but pretty much no real-life friends call. So
    I converted them to PNGs and posted them to Facebook, or shared the better
    ones on Discord. Or in personal chats.

    Without a doubt, this is not a hobby where you go, "I'm working on this cool thing. Now, everyone notice me!" while people remain entirely unaware of your existence.

    But it's _still_ easier for people to call a BBS than it is to see some painting someone made.

    Your depressing slippery slope applies to pretty much _every_ hobby.

    I know, I know, I am the optimistic guy in the block.

    Yep!

    Still, I look forward to reading your stuff at some point in the future, even if I'm bad about calling the paper-plane BBS because I'm so absorbed in my
    own projects.

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  • From Barmed@21:4/127 to Adept on Sat Jan 9 10:15:38 2021
    On 09 Jan 2021, Adept said the following...
    I mean, I'm not much of an ANSI artist, nor particularly strong at programming; I just made 100s of ANSIs and got slightly better, and code until I get what I want.


    It's a not so funny joke in my family that I can't draw a straight line with
    a ruler. :-)

    But Yeah, it's something I could work at at some point.
    I think BBSs are especially good for this -- if you're already handling the technical difficulties of getting a BBS setup, you can probably
    handle the logic of figuring out some Python script.


    Programming is less of a worry for me. I understand it somewhat, I'm just decades out of practice. I have done a lot of trouble shooting and finding issues with other peoples programs since then, so It's mostly a matter of
    just doing it.
    And with ANSI, you can use reference images to help you draw, these
    days, and you're oftentimes working in an 80x25 space anyway, so it
    feels like a bit more constrained of a canvas, and thus perhaps more approachable.

    But not that you _have_ to do any of that -- sysops are basically doing lots of unpaid labor for fun, so it better be something you want done,
    or enjoy doing.


    It's stuff I'd like to do, eventually. It's just a matter of focus.

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  • From Arelor@21:2/138 to Adept on Sat Jan 9 10:24:22 2021
    Re: Re: Sysops / Users
    By: Adept to Arelor on Sat Jan 09 2021 02:28 pm

    Your depressing slippery slope applies to pretty much _every_ hobby.

    Dunno, it depends.

    There are hobbies that need other people to work. You can't be an IRC service operator if there are no IRC users. You can do bodybuilding for the sake of flexing your muscles at the mirror, but building a messaging platform that is not going to gather users? Hmmm...

    Main reason I turned my social activities to the English speaking comunity is because nobody in fucking Spain cares for anything that I do. For engineering networks and having fun with tech that is not a problem, until you want to get a shell service or an IRC server started. I got lots of people on board with my stuff in the 'muricas but if it weren't for these people I would not be doing shit with my hobbies.

    Speaking of which, I am planing to run a roguelike game server. I expect some funding to roll in for this one from interested people :-) I plan to offer Rogue V5, Rogue Clone III, and if I can manage, Moria and Lynsey's Dungeon Crawl.

    I wonder if there would be a reasonable way to integrate this with a BBS service.


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  • From Ogg@21:4/106.21 to Barmed on Sat Jan 9 17:25:00 2021
    Hello Barmed!

    ** On Saturday 09.01.21 - 10:15, Barmed wrote to Adept:

    But not that you _have_ to do any of that -- sysops are basically doing
    lots of unpaid labor for fun, so it better be something you want done,
    or enjoy doing.

    It's stuff I'd like to do, eventually. It's just a matter of focus.

    Then you need to take up photography. THAT's where it is "a
    matter of focus". <g,d,h>


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  • From poindexter FORTRAN@21:4/122 to Barmed on Sat Jan 9 07:03:00 2021
    Barmed wrote to Vk3jed <=-

    That's what held me up for years. "What could I possibly offer in a BBS that 50 people aren't already doing better?" I'm no ANSI artist, nor a strong programmer. But setting up and running a BBS is something I've wanted to do since I discovered them when I was a teenager.

    I'm a pretty bad ANSI artist, and I was intimidated by some of the efforts
    of the ANSI groups and other people's work, but I started a BBS mostly to
    have a single place to read all of my messages. It was the technical challenges that I gounf entertaining; gluing together a mailer, nodelist utilities, file echo tossers, mail tossers, a BBS, and all of the associated stuff, tied together with a batch file, and serving messages and files off
    of a cast-off PC sitting in the corner running DOS - that was fun.

    I'm still doing the same thing, coming up on 30 years now.


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  • From Ogg@21:4/106.21 to Arelor on Sat Jan 9 22:43:00 2021
    Hello Arelor!

    ** On Friday 08.01.21 - 17:40, Arelor wrote to Ogg:

    I would say design your bbs that somehow reflects your
    personality and interests.

    That is dangerous, because then it becomes extremely personal.

    What project *isn't* personal? ;)

    You design the BBS in such a way that it matters to you by
    including stuff that is meaningful to you. Ie if you like
    paper planes you fill your BBS with paper planes. The BBS
    becomes an extension of your personality.

    Then nobody calls in a year, but a troll and a buch of
    Internet bots.

    Well, you've left a big gap between "design the BBS" and "nobody
    calls". What did you do in between? You should probably do
    some marketing and advertise its existence somehow.

    Then you start crying, because the worlds rejection against
    your board is an indirect rejection of your personality, of
    which the board is an extension.

    I am pretty sure that most sysops would primarily build their
    BBSes for their own interest. If there are some callers, that's
    fine, but it's not the be all and end all purpose of building
    that little space of personality.

    Lots of projects work in a fulfilling way if it is just the
    maintainer who cares, but projects with a social component
    don't.

    A BBS certainly has a social component. But some sysops can
    operate in a hands-off manner and monitor things in the
    background.

    I know, I know, I am the optimistic guy in the block.

    I'd probably visit your paper airplanes themed bbs if I heard
    about it and if it sounded interesting.

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  • From Vk3jed@21:1/109 to Barmed on Sun Jan 10 19:24:00 2021
    On 01-09-21 10:15, Barmed wrote to Adept <=-

    It's a not so funny joke in my family that I can't draw a straight line with a ruler. :-)

    My joke is I failed finger painting in kindergartenb. :D

    Programming is less of a worry for me. I understand it somewhat, I'm
    just decades out of practice. I have done a lot of trouble shooting
    and finding issues with other peoples programs since then, so It's
    mostly a matter of just doing it.

    With me, programming doesn't fit who I am. I have the technical aptitude, but not the right mental states. I had to quit coding in 1987 (other than absolutely necessary) to save my sanity, as I found coding very isolating and depressing. And it's also a very sedentary activity, which also isn't sustainable for long periods.

    And with ANSI, you can use reference images to help you draw, these
    days, and you're oftentimes working in an 80x25 space anyway, so it
    feels like a bit more constrained of a canvas, and thus perhaps more approachable.

    I find it harder, because it's even harder to get what I want to be visible. I also find the interfaces of a lot of drawing software hard to work with.

    But not that you _have_ to do any of that -- sysops are basically doing lots of unpaid labor for fun, so it better be something you want done,
    or enjoy doing.

    Exactly, and this is where the "eliteism " of ANSI art and mods irritates me.


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  • From Vk3jed@21:1/109 to poindexter FORTRAN on Sun Jan 10 19:28:00 2021
    On 01-09-21 07:03, poindexter FORTRAN wrote to Barmed <=-

    I'm a pretty bad ANSI artist, and I was intimidated by some of the
    efforts of the ANSI groups and other people's work, but I started a BBS

    I just couldn't get ANSI art to work, and software like TheDraw just frustrated me. I don't work well with drawing software interfaces in general.

    mostly to have a single place to read all of my messages. It was the technical challenges that I gounf entertaining; gluing together a
    mailer, nodelist utilities, file echo tossers, mail tossers, a BBS, and all of the associated stuff, tied together with a batch file, and
    serving messages and files off of a cast-off PC sitting in the corner running DOS - that was fun.

    That was me as well. I loved the technical challengeof getting all the sofware woring properly. :) And I also loved the interaction oofreading messages, and the social challenges of mixing different user groups on the one BBS, which was sometimes a big thing in the eary 90s.


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  • From Barmed@21:4/127 to Vk3jed on Sun Jan 10 07:00:58 2021
    On 10 Jan 2021, Vk3jed said the following...
    Programming is less of a worry for me. I understand it somewhat, I'm just decades out of practice. I have done a lot of trouble shooting and finding issues with other peoples programs since then, so It's mostly a matter of just doing it.

    With me, programming doesn't fit who I am. I have the technical
    aptitude, but not the right mental states. I had to quit coding in 1987 (other than absolutely necessary) to save my sanity, as I found coding very isolating and depressing. And it's also a very sedentary activity, which also isn't sustainable for long periods.


    My problem is that I'm at times able to multitask, and othervtimes I
    hyperfocus on something so much that nothing else around me matters. And
    right now, neither of those modes are working. I have so many things that I want/need to do that nothing actually is getting done, but I can't really
    focus one one thing, because there are things like helping my wife while
    she's recovering that don't take all of my time, but need to be attended to when she needs it. When I do get focused, I can't do that.
    And with ANSI, you can use reference images to help you draw, these days, and you're oftentimes working in an 80x25 space anyway, so it feels like a bit more constrained of a canvas, and thus perhaps more approachable.

    I find it harder, because it's even harder to get what I want to be visible. I also find the interfaces of a lot of drawing software hard

    But not that you _have_ to do any of that -- sysops are basically doi lots of unpaid labor for fun, so it better be something you want done or enjoy doing.
    to work with.

    Exactly, and this is where the "eliteism " of ANSI art and mods
    irritates me.


    I like ANSI art, but sonetimes it seems really overdone. If/when I get
    around to that, I'd just want something simple, but nice looking.

    But that's so far back on the list, I don't even really think about it.

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  • From Barmed@21:4/127 to Vk3jed on Sun Jan 10 07:10:18 2021
    On 10 Jan 2021, Vk3jed said the following...
    mostly to have a single place to read all of my messages. It was the technical challenges that I gounf entertaining; gluing together a mailer, nodelist utilities, file echo tossers, mail tossers, a BBS, a all of the associated stuff, tied together with a batch file, and serving messages and files off of a cast-off PC sitting in the corner running DOS - that was fun.

    That was me as well. I loved the technical challengeof getting all the sofware woring properly. :) And I also loved the interaction oofreading messages, and the social challenges of mixing different user groups on
    the one BBS, which was sometimes a big thing in the eary 90s.


    Those are all similar to my reasons as well. I'm not a social person by nature. I actually thought about it a couple of days ago, There is exactly
    one person I regularly talk to in person that isn't a family member. And I probably talk more in the BBS community than I do with him.

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  • From Ogg@21:4/106.21 to Vk3jed on Sun Jan 10 09:14:00 2021
    Hello Vk3jed!

    ** On Sunday 10.01.21 - 19:24, Vk3jed wrote to Barmed:

    With me, programming doesn't fit who I am. I have the technical aptitude, but not the right mental states. I had to quit coding in 1987 (other than absolutely necessary) to save my sanity, as I found coding very isolating and depressing. And it's also a very sedentary activity, which also isn't sustainable for long periods.

    Programming is certainly not for everyone. Some would think it is boring. But I wouldn't attach the adjective sedentary to it. Along with several conventional programming languages under my belt when I worked in industry, I programmed in ATLAS. While waiting for one set of code to compile, I worked on another. Programming was the opposite of sedentary to me.


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  • From Ogg@21:4/106.21 to Vk3jed on Sun Jan 10 09:16:00 2021
    Hello Vk3jed!

    ** On Sunday 10.01.21 - 19:28, Vk3jed wrote to poindexter FORTRAN:

    I'm a pretty bad ANSI artist, and I was intimidated by some of the
    efforts of the ANSI groups and other people's work, but I started a BBS

    I just couldn't get ANSI art to work, and software like TheDraw just frustrated me. I don't work well with drawing software interfaces in general.

    There was something about the TheDraw that I had problems with too! But I really wanted to port my artistic skills to ansi art, but never did.



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  • From poindexter FORTRAN@21:4/122 to Vk3jed on Sun Jan 10 09:13:00 2021
    Vk3jed wrote to poindexter FORTRAN <=-

    and the social challenges of mixing different user
    groups on the one BBS, which was sometimes a big thing in the eary 90s.

    So true, especially with local BBSes where we'd get together every couple of months. Real-life interaction (in "meatspace" as we jokingly called it back then; we thought we were "cyberspace jockeys") gave a depth to interacting online that you don't get nowadays.




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  • From poindexter FORTRAN@21:4/122 to Ogg on Sun Jan 10 11:05:00 2021
    Ogg wrote to Vk3jed <=-

    There was something about the TheDraw that I had problems with too! But
    I really wanted to port my artistic skills to ansi art, but never did.

    Ditto. PabloDraw is a lot more intuitive to me, and I've done more with it this year than all other years with TheDraw combined.


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  • From Ogg@21:4/106.21 to poindexter FORTRAN on Sun Jan 10 17:46:00 2021
    Hello poindexter!

    ** On Sunday 10.01.21 - 11:05, poindexter FORTRAN wrote to Ogg:

    ..PabloDraw is a lot more intuitive to me, and I've done
    more with it this year than all other years with TheDraw
    combined.

    Did you use it to design your logo? It's a nice result.


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  • From poindexter FORTRAN@21:4/122 to Ogg on Sun Jan 10 20:11:28 2021
    Re: Sysops / Users
    By: Ogg to poindexter FORTRAN on Sun Jan 10 2021 05:46 pm

    Did you use it to design your logo? It's a nice result.

    The "good" logos were all done by a volunteer on a Facebook BBS group. The rest were done by me with PD. :)
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  • From Vk3jed@21:1/109 to Barmed on Wed Jan 13 19:42:00 2021
    On 01-10-21 07:00, Barmed wrote to Vk3jed <=-

    My problem is that I'm at times able to multitask, and othervtimes I hyperfocus on something so much that nothing else around me matters.
    And right now, neither of those modes are working. I have so many
    things that I want/need to do that nothing actually is getting done,
    but I can't really focus one one thing, because there are things like helping my wife while she's recovering that don't take all of my time,
    but need to be attended to when she needs it. When I do get focused, I can't do that.

    I need connection to people, and that's what killed the coding stone dead. Had I known what I know now, I could have backed off and avoided the full on burnout, which would have allowed me to keep it as a hobby, but I only knew hyperforus back then. And yes, I see your problem. Hope your wife's doing well.

    I like ANSI art, but sonetimes it seems really overdone. If/when I get around to that, I'd just want something simple, but nice looking.

    I like or love a lot of the art, but not the attitude that some have.


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  • From Vk3jed@21:1/109 to Barmed on Wed Jan 13 19:45:00 2021
    On 01-10-21 07:10, Barmed wrote to Vk3jed <=-

    Those are all similar to my reasons as well. I'm not a social person
    by nature. I actually thought about it a couple of days ago, There is exactly one person I regularly talk to in person that isn't a family member. And I probably talk more in the BBS community than I do with
    him.

    I'm the opposite, quite social and always doing something. :) Interesting that our BBSing reasons are still the same.


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  • From Vk3jed@21:1/109 to Ogg on Wed Jan 13 19:46:00 2021
    On 01-10-21 09:14, Ogg wrote to Vk3jed <=-

    Programming is certainly not for everyone. Some would think it is
    boring. But I wouldn't attach the adjective sedentary to it. Along with several conventional programming languages under my belt when I worked
    in industry, I programmed in ATLAS. While waiting for one set of code
    to compile, I worked on another. Programming was the opposite of
    sedentary to me.

    So, you run around while coding? ;)


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  • From Vk3jed@21:1/109 to Ogg on Wed Jan 13 19:47:00 2021
    On 01-10-21 09:16, Ogg wrote to Vk3jed <=-

    I just couldn't get ANSI art to work, and software like TheDraw just frustrated me. I don't work well with drawing software interfaces in general.

    There was something about the TheDraw that I had problems with too! But
    I really wanted to port my artistic skills to ansi art, but never did.

    My issues are more general with drawing software. I fared even worse with PabloDraw. :(


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  • From Vk3jed@21:1/109 to poindexter FORTRAN on Wed Jan 13 19:52:00 2021
    On 01-10-21 09:13, poindexter FORTRAN wrote to Vk3jed <=-

    Vk3jed wrote to poindexter FORTRAN <=-

    and the social challenges of mixing different user
    groups on the one BBS, which was sometimes a big thing in the eary 90s.

    So true, especially with local BBSes where we'd get together every
    couple of months. Real-life interaction (in "meatspace" as we jokingly called it back then; we thought we were "cyberspace jockeys") gave a
    depth to interacting online that you don't get nowadays.

    Yes, used to love local meets.


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  • From Ogg@21:4/106.21 to Vk3jed on Wed Jan 13 06:38:00 2021
    Hello Vk3jed!

    ** On Wednesday 13.01.21 - 19:46, Vk3jed wrote to Ogg:

    Programming was the opposite of
    sedentary to me.

    So, you run around while coding? ;)

    Oh I see what you mean; coding = sitting. But actually, I
    *would* move around a lot.

    For one thing, I could often think better when I could pace
    around bit every few minutes.

    And, in my case, after a successful compilation, I had to get up
    and go to the test station hardware (the product where the
    resultant code was eventually loaded to run) to check the
    results. The MicroVAX on which the compilation was performed
    was at a remote location in the building, but the product
    machine was across the hall from me - in a locked secure room.

    I often had multiple segments of code for different functions
    and features compiling while I was checking the results of other
    bits of code on the product.

    Can you visualize that now?


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  • From Barmed@21:4/127 to Vk3jed on Wed Jan 13 06:11:16 2021
    On 13 Jan 2021, Vk3jed said the following...
    I need connection to people, and that's what killed the coding stone
    dead. Had I known what I know now, I could have backed off and avoided the full on burnout, which would have allowed me to keep it as a hobby, but I only knew hyperforus back then. And yes, I see your problem.
    Hope your wife's doing well.

    She's doing much better. Mostly she's frustrated that her energy levels
    aren't what she wants them to be. She's always been independent and the
    person that helps everyone else. Needing someone else to help her and letting them is not a thing she likes.

    I like ANSI art, but sonetimes it seems really overdone. If/when I g around to that, I'd just want something simple, but nice looking.

    I like or love a lot of the art, but not the attitude that some have.


    There us that too.

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  • From Adept@21:2/108 to poindexter FORTRAN on Wed Jan 13 19:04:12 2021
    There was something about the TheDraw that I had problems with too! B I really wanted to port my artistic skills to ansi art, but never did

    Ditto. PabloDraw is a lot more intuitive to me, and I've done more with
    it this year than all other years with TheDraw combined.

    Agreed, though I've found Moebius more intuitive than PabloDraw.

    But TheDraw seems to be the only option for making animations, from what I
    know of.

    But it's hard to make animations work decently anyway, so I'd probably just
    do any future animations in code.

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  • From JF@21:2/110 to Ogg on Wed Jan 13 14:20:04 2021
    For one thing, I could often think better when I could pace
    around bit every few minutes.

    Same here. Every time I write a few lines of code or, get something to work, reach a small milestone, get paste a hurdle, etc, I pace around the house for
    a bit. It helps me, though not sure in which way exactly.

    I also have a stand up desk, so I'm actually standing up half the day...

    That aside, I'll confess I'm pretty much sedentary. I try to go for walks outside every day but lately I've been so caught up with work I barely stop
    all day. Not very healthy... I hope things return to normal soon so that I
    can take the time to have a proper lunch, go for a walk, etc.

    JF

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  • From Arelor@21:2/138 to JF on Wed Jan 13 18:04:28 2021
    Re: Re: Sysops / Users
    By: JF to Ogg on Wed Jan 13 2021 02:20 pm

    For one thing, I could often think better when I could pace
    around bit every few minutes.

    Same here. Every time I write a few lines of code or, get something to work, reach a small milestone, get paste a hurdle, etc, I pace around the house fo a bit. It helps me, though not sure in which way exactly.

    I also have a stand up desk, so I'm actually standing up half the day...

    I had not realized, but I also move a lot while doing code and computer stuff.

    It is a combination of factors. FOr one thing, I use multiple computers that are phisically separate, often in different rooms, at once. I may have one start downloading stuff, move to a different computer, code something, then go back to the first one, set it to compile something, and return to the second one.

    Also I have the scanners and printers separated from where my computers are, so when I need to print or scan anything (which is quite common) I have to walk
    to the printers and back.


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  • From JF@21:2/110 to Arelor on Thu Jan 14 03:27:48 2021
    It is a combination of factors. FOr one thing, I use multiple computers that are phisically separate, often in different rooms, at once. I may have one start downloading stuff, move to a different computer, code something, then go back to the first one, set it to compile something,
    and return to the second one.

    I'm picturing a movie on Hacking where the character, in the dark and in
    front of dimly lit screens, moves from one console to the next.

    So if I understand correctly, the morale of the story is: To stay active, as much as possible, spread all of your devices as far apart across the entire house. Jokes aside, that's not a bad way of doing. At least it keeps you moving. My computer is on the 2nd floor, the kitchen is on the first floor,
    and the printer is in the basement... So if I want to eat or print something,
    I have to take the stairs... which I must take MANY times a day.. Every
    little bit helps I suppose.

    JF

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  • From Ogg@21:4/106.21 to JF on Thu Jan 14 08:10:00 2021
    Hello Jf!

    ** On Thursday 14.01.21 - 03:27, JF wrote to Arelor:

    ..My computer is on the 2nd floor, the kitchen is on the
    first floor, and the printer is in the basement... So if I
    want to eat or print something, I have to take the stairs...
    which I must take MANY times a day.. Every little bit helps
    I suppose.

    WHY does the printer need to reside in the basement? Is it one
    of those heavy-duty commercial types that simply too big to tuck
    away in a corner of your 2nd floor ops-control room?


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  • From JF@21:2/110 to Ogg on Thu Jan 14 14:54:04 2021
    Hello again Ogg! :)

    On 14 Jan 2021, Ogg inked down this thought...

    WHY does the printer need to reside in the basement? Is it one
    of those heavy-duty commercial types that simply too big to tuck
    away in a corner of your 2nd floor ops-control room?

    Well, good point. It's not one of those big ones. It's just an el-cheapo
    laser Brother printer. But, I should give it more credit. It was cheap to
    buy, it's cheap to run, and it has never failed me. It's a pretty darn good printer, even if a little basic. It does the job. It even prints double-sided!

    With the work-from-home thing, my "office space", for lack of a better term, has moved considerably from one room to the other. I guess some of the appliances didn't always follow along the way... Currently, I sit in a repurposed bedroom with my computer. I think this time I'm here to stay. The basement was a little too loud to my liking...

    JF

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  • From Vk3jed@21:1/109 to Ogg on Fri Jan 15 19:36:00 2021
    On 01-13-21 06:38, Ogg wrote to Vk3jed <=-

    So, you run around while coding? ;)

    Oh I see what you mean; coding = sitting. But actually, I
    *would* move around a lot.

    For one thing, I could often think better when I could pace
    around bit every few minutes.

    Ahh, OK, understandable, though still far below the level (and type) of movement I need these days.

    And, in my case, after a successful compilation, I had to get up
    and go to the test station hardware (the product where the
    resultant code was eventually loaded to run) to check the
    results. The MicroVAX on which the compilation was performed
    was at a remote location in the building, but the product
    machine was across the hall from me - in a locked secure room.

    I often had multiple segments of code for different functions
    and features compiling while I was checking the results of other
    bits of code on the product.

    Can you visualize that now?

    Yeah, I've had to do similar at times when setting stuff up, until I could get reliable network access. :) But you're talking to someone who does have a number of 500-1000 calories (of activity) days, and even then, if the type of activity isn't right, it's not as effective. :)


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  • From Vk3jed@21:1/109 to Barmed on Fri Jan 15 19:39:00 2021
    On 01-13-21 06:11, Barmed wrote to Vk3jed <=-

    Hope your wife's doing well.

    She's doing much better. Mostly she's frustrated that her energy levels aren't what she wants them to be. She's always been independent and the person that helps everyone else. Needing someone else to help her and letting them is not a thing she likes.

    Good to hear she's doing well.


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