Maybe slightly broader than "Home Lab", and just "Self Host"? For technical chats on running
your own servers/services... I would imagine that most are running at home, but a lot of
similar types of discussion/question when running on hosted servers as well.
May derail this a bit, but Proxmox has been stable at home. For years I ran ESXi but recently
migrated over the last couple months do to the broadcom situation.
What is the state of the Broadcom situation?
I must have been under a rock and missed what Broadcom apparently did. That the majority of their revenue comes from a handful of very large customers doesn't surprise me in the slightest.
I personally dislike the cloud in everyway possible way. :)
I dislike cloud virtual machines, but I get why companies do it. I have a couple - one is a freebie Oracle cloud server, mostly because it was free, and one for $5/month in the US that I use as a private VPN server (I don't trust commercial VPN providers and the tainted IP space they hang out in any further than I can kick them).
I dislike cloud virtual machines, but I get why companies do it. IDo you, because it seems if you run a 5 year forecast seems quite more expensive then keeping it local if datacenters are available, which in our case they are.
Some will argue employment requirements would need to increase, but I'm sure in some circumstances you could outsource some of this work too.
I don't know, being a former server admin, I do hate to see it go to the cloud.
Do you, because it seems if you run a 5 year forecast seems quite
more expensive then keeping it local if datacenters are available,
which in our case they are.
I believe you're right, but I've yet to work at a company where they've actually done a proper analysis of the costs. Seems they just look at the headline bullet points and don't dig much deeper. Once the first few things are in the cloud it becomes easier to just drop all the new things there too. Maybe I'm wrong, but I thought the cloud sounded great for elastic capacity so you can scale up/down as your peak load increases. I don't think it's a great solution for the "base load".
It's increasingly common in networking too - let's just buy a virtual network from someone else than build your own - be that a multi-site office VPN, or a full on white-label service provider solution.
What is the state of the Broadcom situation?
Apologies, but I don't know what this is "the Broadcom situation"
I owe you an apology as I recall we've chatted about creating a Home Lab echo of which I suspect some of this would fir nicely within it?
It's a quick update from Proxmox 7. Run pve7to8 to check for issues, update, edit your repos, and do an "apt dist-upgrade".
I'm still using VMware ESXi...
I owe you an apology as I recall we've chatted about creating a Home echo of which I suspect some of this would fir nicely within it?
Maybe slightly broader than "Home Lab", and just "Self Host"? For technical chats on running your own servers/services... I would imagine that most are running at home, but a lot of similar types of discussion/question when running on hosted servers as well.
niter3 wrote to Tracker1 <=-
What is the state of the Broadcom situation?
What is the state of the Broadcom situation?
Apologies, but I don't know what this is "the Broadcom situation"
Broadcom buying of VMWare?
I havent heard anything since the Broadcom CEO's statements alluding to the fact that most of their revenues come from a small number of huge enterprise customers. That doesn't bode well for ROBO (remote office/branch office) customers or anyone who's not in that 20%.
We're in the process of moving our data center workloads to the cloud,
and our remote/branch office workloads to Nutanix. More expensive, but service has been impeccible - especially when compared to VMWare.
It's a shame that it's still not possible to mount (and swap) virtual
floppy disks in Proxmox...
As I do use floppies sometimes (eg. for installing NetWare licenses),
I'm still using VMware ESXi...
I'd be surprised if someone hasn't requested that already.
Sounds like there is a workaround, though - https://forum.proxmox.com/threads/floppy.41669/
I owe you an apology as I recall we've chatted about creating a Home echo of which I suspect some of this would fir nicely within it?
Maybe slightly broader than "Home Lab", and just "Self Host"? For technical chats on running your own servers/services... I would imagine that most are running at home, but a lot of similar types of discussion/question when running on hosted servers as well.
It's increasingly common in networking too - let's just buy a virtual networ
Bucko wrote to paulie420 <=-
Other then the upgrade, what did you do with your VM's? I will make a backup of all of mine but did you have to do anything special with them
if you shut them down?
If you can spare another system, you can make a cluster, then move your
VMs back and forth to upgrade. I've got a bunch of VMs that I don't
care about, which I left in place. PiHole, the BBS, and my reverse
proxy container I moved to the second PM box, then upgraded, then moved
them back, then upgraded the second box.
If you can spare another system, you can make a cluster, then move your
VMs back and forth to upgrade.
If you can spare another system, you can make a cluster, then move your
VMs back and forth to upgrade. I've got a bunch of VMs that I don't
care about, which I left in place. PiHole, the BBS, and my reverse
I havent heard anything since the Broadcom CEO's statements alluding t
the fact that most of their revenues come from a small number of huge enterprise customers. That doesn't bode well for ROBO (remote office/branch office) customers or anyone who's not in that 20%.
I personally dislike the cloud in everyway possible way. :)
I dislike cloud virtual machines, but I get why companies do it. I have
I dislike cloud virtual machines, but I get why companies do it. I ha
Do you, because it seems if you run a 5 year forecast seems quite more expensive then keeping it local if datacenters are available, which in
our case they are.
I don't know, being a former server admin, I do hate to see it go to the cloud.
What is the state of the Broadcom situation?
Apologies, but I don't know what this is "the Broadcom situation"
Broadcom buying of VMWare?
Ahh, I wasn't aware of it. Seems like a really weird pairing.
It's a quick update from Proxmox 7. Run pve7to8 to check for issues, update, edit your repos, and do an "apt dist-upgrade".
It's a quick update from Proxmox 7. Run pve7to8 to check for issues, update, edit your repos, and do an "apt dist-upgrade".
Nice; I just made the upgrade as I'm writing this reply (and reading your post)... its going nicely; did an upgrade first, followed by
dist-upgrade.
Had an autoremove afterward; easy peasy...
Other then the upgrade, what did you do with your VM's? I will make a backup of all of mine but did you have to do anything special with them
if you shut them down? I am worried I am going to lose my VM's and I
have quite a few that I use for different things..
Well - hopefully nothing... the upgrade runs behind the VMs; don't need
to shut em down or nothing... until everything goes boom, and all. :P
acn wrote to poindexter FORTRAN <=-
It's a shame that it's still not possible to mount (and swap) virtual floppy disks in Proxmox...
As I do use floppies sometimes (eg. for installing NetWare licenses),
I'm still using VMware ESXi...
tassiebob wrote to poindexter FORTRAN <=-
If you can spare another system, you can make a cluster, then move your
VMs back and forth to upgrade.
Even a raspberry pi will do to create a quorum for a cluster - I ran
mine like that for a good while before I moved half the cluster into a datacentre. Now they're both back home again I may go the Pi route
again :-)
Avon wrote to poindexter FORTRAN <=-
I owe you an apology as I recall we've chatted about creating a Home
Lab echo of which I suspect some of this would fir nicely within it?
All of which is to say I'll try and make time to get something sorted
in the coming weeks ;-)
Tracker1 wrote to Digital Man <=-
Ahh, I wasn't aware of it. Seems like a really weird pairing.
If I were working with another start-up, I'd seriously look at bare
QEMU or Proxmox (or OpenStack, or XCP-NG) for on-prem virtualization. Cheap, solid, and supported. Harder to pass executive muster, though -
all CIOs know VMWare.
tassiebob wrote to poindexter FORTRAN <=-
Ditto. My last employer ran pretty much everything on Proxmox (several hundred VM's). I run most of my home stuff on Proxmox. I don't think
any of the large cloud providers use VMware...
Current employer uses VMware, but I suspect that came about as a
package deal from Dell (as it's on Dell hardware) when Dell still owned VMware. They'll learn :-)
Glad to hear about a commercial application of Proxmox. Were you
involved in support? I'd love to hear about their commercial support
offering from someone who used it.
vSphere definitely feels like a throwback to the LAN Era in the late
'80s and early '90s, when you'd get heated rivalries between Novell Netware, Banyan Vines, MS LAN Manager - people knew *their* platform and hated the rest. ESXi admins have that same vibe.
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