• Re: re :protonmail shares IP address leading to arrest

    From Spectre@21:3/101 to Arelor on Sun Sep 12 07:20:00 2021
    It sounds like you are integrating your web applications very deeply with Apache, if changes to Apache modules are such deal breakers.

    Shrug, what do I know :) It works mostly, in a way I'm happy with, and I don't know any better. Ignorance is bliss.

    As already mentioned mysql is going maria, which thus far I haven't had any joy getting to run/work with. The mysql access I'm using in PHP is already obsolete..what do you do? Same thing as if I met a green monster in a dark alley... leave it alone and let it ripen. I can't see myself working up the enthusiasm to reinvent the wheel for another go.

    SSpec


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  • From Spectre@21:3/101 to deon on Sun Sep 12 13:52:00 2021
    What's wrong with MySql or Maria - I've toggled between the two with little problems. And given that I pretty much use it exclusively in docker, a database gets thrown around hosts all the time, and auto upgraded as the base image is updated upstream.

    As an aside, last time I did an "upgrade" I was left with a non-bootable system. Whatever it did, the new kernel wouldn't load.. and you'd have to manually load the original kernel.

    I always found MySql or sql in general to be rather... arcane.. and to be fair I've never used it in anger previous to the pineapple work. Certainly not had anything run before. Now it might be trying to install maria on the above mentioned system... it was blowing raspberries at me while eventually just going back to MySql just worked.

    What version of PHP have you been using? I think (IIRC) the mysql module for PHP did change many years ago (ie: a new method was used in place of

    Off hand I can't tell you....probably 5.x and something current are installed. I'm seeing 7.4.13, from the CLI, and 5.6 in the apache mods-enabled.

    No idea what PDO might be...

    Spec


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  • From Arelor@21:2/138 to deon on Sun Sep 12 11:04:08 2021
    Re: Re: re :protonmail shares IP address leading to arrest
    By: deon to Arelor on Sun Sep 12 2021 10:14 am

    PHP and Database migrations suck though. Specially if you use certain webapps which break compatibility with your current setup during a freaking point release. Because everybody knows moving from WebApp 2.1.1 WebApp 2.1.1.1 is supposed to require you to move to the nest major Maria and PHP releases. Ieeeaaaarghrhrhr

    I think you might have a had a bad run with PHP apps?


    Just with one, which deserves to have all its files overwriten with zeroes, just before the drives that store it are sank into a pool of boric acid. The same pool of acid where the developer of such monstruosity should be sank in at that.

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  • From Spectre@21:3/101 to Al on Mon Sep 13 07:20:00 2021
    It's probably being added by your editor. IceEdit has an option in the

    You're right, and previously I had wandered through the config to get them disabled. Seems they came back from the dead. I suspect IceEdit has some
    idea what its doing with them here, but "The Reader" doesn't know what to do with them, or follows them blindly when they come back in quoted text. How
    they appear anywhere else if anyones guess.

    Spec


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  • From gcubebuddy@21:4/129 to Ogg on Tue Sep 7 10:57:46 2021
    ProtonMail Explains Why It Shared a User's IP Address With
    Police
    Even a secure email service can't ignore a legally binding
    order from Swiss authorities.

    Right, really the ONLY secure way to do email is to either A) build your own secure email server and run it at home on a physical box. or B) no email at all...

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  • From Avon@21:1/101 to gcubebuddy on Fri Sep 10 16:36:44 2021
    On 07 Sep 2021 at 10:57a, gcubebuddy pondered and said...


    Right, really the ONLY secure way to do email is to either A) build your own secure email server and run it at home on a physical box. or B) no email at all...

    one day I'd like to try to do that.. I even got port 25 opened up at home
    with the blessing of my ISP... but then it seemed to be hard to do or I
    recall some saying don't go there, there be dragons :)

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  • From DustCouncil@21:1/227 to Avon on Fri Sep 10 07:05:20 2021
    Right, really the ONLY secure way to do email is to either A) build y own secure email server and run it at home on a physical box. or B) n email at all...

    one day I'd like to try to do that.. I even got port 25 opened up at home with the blessing of my ISP... but then it seemed to be hard to do or I recall some saying don't go there, there be dragons :)

    I tried to do this for a time. Of all of the servers I have ever experimented with or run seriously, by far, running a mail server was the least fun of all. I gave up. Most of the headaches were that updates to the mail packages often break your current configuration. Whereas with most things I can roll over my configuration file to a new version, the mail servers I were using broke...a lot. And certain mail server config files border on absurd, in terms of complexity. First it was Postfix, and now I run exim4 to mail me system alerts from my various Debian and Ubuntu systems, but it uses Google as a smarthost because I cannot be bothered.

    Good luck if you try to do it. The overwhelming joylessness of it is something I remember well. I like having my own web server, for instance. Gopher. This board only I use.

    Mail servers though, are a chore.

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  • From Arelor@21:2/138 to DustCouncil on Fri Sep 10 03:39:24 2021
    Re: Re: re :protonmail shares IP address leading to arrest
    By: DustCouncil to Avon on Fri Sep 10 2021 07:05 am

    Right, really the ONLY secure way to do email is to either A) build y own secure email
    server and run it at home on a physical box. or B) n email at all...

    one day I'd like to try to do that.. I even got port 25 opened up at home with the blessing
    my ISP... but then it seemed to be hard to do or I recall some saying don't go there, there
    dragons :)

    I tried to do this for a time. Of all of the servers I have ever experimented with or run
    seriously, by far, running a mail server was the least fun of all. I gave up. Most of the
    headaches were that updates to the mail packages often break your current configuration. Wherea
    with most things I can roll over my configuration file to a new version, the mail servers I were
    using broke...a lot. And certain mail server config files border on absurd, in terms of
    complexity. First it was Postfix, and now I run exim4 to mail me system alerts from my various
    Debian and Ubuntu systems, but it uses Google as a smarthost because I cannot be bothered.

    Good luck if you try to do it. The overwhelming joylessness of it is something I remember well.
    like having my own web server, for instance. Gopher. This board only I use.

    Mail servers though, are a chore.

    You ought to try opensmtpd for email. You can have something working with 6 lines of configuration
    file or so. Dovecot is complex in comparison (and is not really that bad).

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  • From Spectre@21:3/101 to Avon on Fri Sep 10 18:59:00 2021
    one day I'd like to try to do that.. I even got port 25 opened up at home

    Its a bit of a handful the first time or two around the block, but its not really difficult to get a server, I usually use postfix, up and running. The one thing I have trouble getting right is the SSL nd of things. Not sure why... just never seems to work properly. Otherwise, Postfix, Dovecot, and something else I'm having a mental blank with just pretty much install and work.

    Spec


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  • From Spectre@21:3/101 to DustCouncil on Fri Sep 10 19:14:00 2021
    Mail servers though, are a chore.

    Interesting, I always found web servers, nominally Apache a bigger pain for being difficult to upgrade or migrate. It seemed things were forever broken during that process while mail was for the most part fire and forget. Might depend on your user volume and client spread though.

    Spec


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  • From hyjinx@21:1/126 to Spectre on Fri Sep 10 22:17:52 2021
    On 10 Sep 2021, Spectre said the following...

    one day I'd like to try to do that.. I even got port 25 opened up at

    Its a bit of a handful the first time or two around the block, but its
    not really difficult to get a server, I usually use postfix, up and running. The one thing I have trouble getting right is the SSL nd of things. Not sure why... just never seems to work properly. Otherwise, Postfix, Dovecot, and something else I'm having a mental blank with
    just pretty much install and work.


    I have set up qmail, sendmail+m4 and laterally postfix with dovecot more
    times than I cae to admit. Everyt time was a pain in the ass but I got better each time. I am currently shuddering thinking about moving my mx to a new server, but with patience, it does work. Just note though that your ISP probably have an agreement with the 5 eyes and they are probably doing SSL offload somewhere, so I pretty much consider everything I do on the net (even on my own servers) as clear-text, postcard status. There is very little that can't be seen by the authorities unless you are in a country that is non
    5-eyes and truly supports the privacy of the indiivdual. New Zealand is definitely not one of them, which is a sad fact because I'm proud of NZ for
    so many other things politically. Just my 2c.

    Al


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  • From Spectre@21:3/101 to hyjinx on Fri Sep 10 21:32:00 2021
    my mx to a new server, but with patience, it does work. Just note
    though that your ISP probably have an agreement with the 5 eyes and
    they are probably doing SSL offload somewhere, so I pretty much
    consider everything I do on the net (even on my own servers) as

    I s'pose you're thinking I deliver mail via my ISP? I actually just let it deliver direct. It gets a fair number of refusals to connect, but for the limited use it gets its satisfactory to requirements :) I don't actually use my ISP's email at all... it keeps falling off my local pc config and then I forget what how its set up :) However my general email is probably even less secure as it goes through gmail.

    Spec


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  • From gcubebuddy@21:4/129 to DustCouncil on Fri Sep 10 07:22:10 2021
    I tried to do this for a time. Of all of the servers I have ever experimented with or run seriously, by far, running a mail server was
    the least fun of all.
    I gave up. Most of the headaches were that updates to the mail packages often break your current configuration. Whereas with most things I can roll over my configuration file to a new version, the mail servers I
    were using broke...a lot. And certain mail server config files border
    on absurd, in terms of complexity. First it was Postfix, and now I run exim4 to mail me system alerts

    Ya setting up a Postfix / Dovecot system can be a bear to config. also its
    not something i have done much of. so i am sure if i tried it again, i would
    be missing something, and that might also create a vulnrability through mis-configuration. It is something though that is worth a try at least once, just for the experince of setting it up.

    Thanks
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  • From deon@21:2/116 to DustCouncil on Fri Sep 10 23:03:36 2021
    Re: Re: re :protonmail shares IP address leading to arrest
    By: DustCouncil to Avon on Fri Sep 10 2021 07:05 am

    I tried to do this for a time. Of all of the servers I have ever experimented with or run seriously, by far, running a mail server was
    the least fun of all. I gave up.

    I am with you there. I provide web/internet services for business clients (have done for 20+ years) and I started out running a mail servers to hose them all - had about 30 or so at the time.

    Apart from the user issues, and the issues with spam I gave up and moved them all over to google - when google first started providing mail services. It was unnessarily time consuming maintaining the environment and trying to keep on top of spam.

    Now most of the usem outlook since they use Microsoft products.

    For my own private domain, I actually host it myself using axigen (and their free 5 user license). Its a nice package, and I have sendmail/dspam in front of it - all running in docker containers. For outbound mail, I relay through a NZ service (also on their free tier), which takes care of my mail outbound mail not being tagged as spam.

    I rarely touch it, and its probably been running 2 years with no maintance or hands on from me - I should probably check on it ...

    I would convert all my business clients over to it, but its cost prohibitive, especially since they all use Microsoft now anyway.


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  • From gcubebuddy@21:4/129 to hyjinx on Fri Sep 10 08:14:56 2021
    better each time. I am currently shuddering thinking about moving my mx
    to a new server, but with patience, it does work. Just note though that your ISP probably have an agreement with the 5 eyes and they are
    probably doing SSL offload somewhere, so I pretty much consider
    everything I do on the net (even on my own servers) as clear-text, postcard status. There is very little that can't be seen by the authorities unless you are in a country that is non 5-eyes and truly supports the privacy of the indiivdual. New Zealand is definitely not
    one of them, which is a sad fact because I'm proud of NZ for so many
    other things politically. Just my 2c.
    Al

    There is a ex-NSA person who goes to my familys church. I once asked him if
    the NSA had create a back door in the Linux SELinux Kernel module. he said "i cna neither confirm or deny that." i then asked him, "In your time at teh
    NSA, did you ever see any evidance of a SuperSoldger serum?" he said "No -
    that was not my department." so i said "So you are saying, there WAS a department for that?" he said "NOOOOOO - thats not what i said.... Why are
    you so interested in that?" i said, "Dude! i totally want to be like Captain America!" lol

    the wild thing about hte linux NSA security module - which is in almost every distro accept for slackware, is highly integrated into RHEL and Ubuntu. anything that pretty much runs System-D has it. slackware - the refuse to compile SELinux into the kernel. hell slackware doesnt even have PAM by default. also another thing i found, is even FreeBSD has their version of SELinux call MAC (Mandatory Access Control security kernel module). i tried
    to mention that fact to people on a BSD board, but they thought i was crazy. RHEL by far though has the fingers of the NSA all throughout it.

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  • From poindexter FORTRAN@21:4/122 to DustCouncil on Fri Sep 10 08:36:00 2021
    DustCouncil wrote to Avon <=-

    Good luck if you try to do it. The overwhelming joylessness of it is something I remember well. I like having my own web server, for
    instance. Gopher. This board only I use.

    I started running Postfix on a VPS I rent; it sure beats Sendmail and m4 macros!

    This is partly a nostalgic thing, when I started out on a DSL line I self- hosted my DNS, mail and web services. I think we all did back then.


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  • From Arelor@21:2/138 to Spectre on Sat Sep 11 10:11:18 2021
    Re: Re: re :protonmail shares IP address leading to arrest
    By: Spectre to DustCouncil on Fri Sep 10 2021 07:14 pm

    Mail servers though, are a chore.

    Interesting, I always found web servers, nominally Apache a bigger pain for being difficult to upgrade
    migrate. It seemed things were forever broken during that process while mail was for the most part fi
    and forget. Might depend on your user volume and client spread though.

    Spec


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    What would make Apache a difficult beast to upgrade?

    I use mostly httpd (OpenBSD's in-house solution) and while it has its shortcommings, I find that, for
    small deployments, the issues upgrading services are usually related to upgrading databases or PHP
    versions :-)

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  • From Spectre@21:3/101 to Arelor on Sun Sep 12 05:42:00 2021
    What would make Apache a difficult beast to upgrade?

    You're right, its usually the ancillary stuff.. the PHP and what have you that break everything. I tend to leave the WWW server right alone unless I'm for whatever reason doing a complete server upgrade from scratch. But I find if you upgrade Apache then all the modules get upgraded and break things.

    Between whats current, whats deprecated, and what gets left out along the way it seems to be impossible to just pick up your data and move it to a new system or reliably upgrade any of the modules without issues. In my experience.

    More than possibly related to my poor coding on said platforms too. A lot of the stuff I use to drive http://pineapple.zapto.org, most being php and mysql is already deprecated not looking forward to having to rebuild that at some point in the future... easier to leave it alone.

    Spec


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  • From Arelor@21:2/138 to Spectre on Sat Sep 11 16:04:34 2021
    Re: Re: re :protonmail shares IP address leading to arrest
    By: Spectre to Arelor on Sun Sep 12 2021 05:42 am

    What would make Apache a difficult beast to upgrade?

    You're right, its usually the ancillary stuff.. the PHP and what have you that break everything. I tend to leave the WWW server right alone unless I'm for whatever reason doing a complete
    server upgrade from scratch. But I find if you upgrade Apache then all the modules get upgraded and break things.

    Between whats current, whats deprecated, and what gets left out along the way it seems to be impossible to just pick up your data and move it to a new system or reliably upgrade any of the
    modules without issues. In my experience.

    More than possibly related to my poor coding on said platforms too. A lot of the stuff I use to drive http://pineapple.zapto.org, most being php and mysql is already deprecated not looking
    forward to having to rebuild that at some point in the future... easier to leave it alone.

    Spec


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    It sounds like you are integrating your web applications very deeply with Apache, if changes to Apache modules are such deal breakers.

    I am a big fan of static site generators as not to have to deal with webserver oddities :-) Also, web apps I deal with seem to do fine with OpenBSD's httpd. I usually just need some request
    rewrites and pass/block rules, which in OpenBSD don't come from modules - and usually the web application needs not be aware of what the web server is doing.

    PHP and Database migrations suck though. Specially if you use certain webapps which break compatibility with your current setup during a freaking point release. Because everybody knows moving
    from WebApp 2.1.1 to WebApp 2.1.1.1 is supposed to require you to move to the nest major Mariadb and PHP releases. Ieeeaaaarghrhrhr

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  • From Spectre@21:3/101 to Arelor on Sun Sep 12 08:20:00 2021
    It sounds like you are integrating your web applications very deeply with Apache, if changes to Apache modules are such deal breakers.

    Shrug, what do I know :) It works mostly, in a way I'm happy with, and I don't know any better. Ignorance is bliss.

    As already mentioned mysql is going maria, which thus far I haven't had any joy getting to run/work with. The mysql access I'm using in PHP is already obsolete..what do you do? Same thing as if I met a green monster in a dark alley... leave it alone and let it ripen. I can't see myself working up the enthusiasm to reinvent the wheel for another go.

    SSpec


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  • From deon@21:2/116 to Arelor on Sun Sep 12 10:14:28 2021
    Re: Re: re :protonmail shares IP address leading to arrest
    By: Arelor to Spectre on Sat Sep 11 2021 04:04 pm

    PHP and Database migrations suck though. Specially if you use certain webapps which break compatibility with your current setup during
    a
    freaking point release. Because everybody knows moving from WebApp 2.1.1 to WebApp 2.1.1.1 is supposed to require you to move to the
    nest major Mariadb and PHP releases. Ieeeaaaarghrhrhr

    I think you might have a had a bad run with PHP apps?

    I've been using LAMP/LEMP stacks for the better part of 20 years (and developing them too), and I've not experienced the hardships that you describe. In fact it's my goto stack when I want to get an idea out.

    Sure, upgrading from php 7.x to 8.x (for example) involves "work", but then that is why php 8.x was released, because it improves things (for better or worse) on previous versions.


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  • From deon@21:2/116 to Spectre on Sun Sep 12 10:22:38 2021
    Re: Re: re :protonmail shares IP address leading to arrest
    By: Spectre to Arelor on Sun Sep 12 2021 08:20 am

    As already mentioned mysql is going maria, which thus far I haven't had any joy getting to run/work with. The mysql access I'm using in
    PHP is already obsolete..what do you do? Same thing as if I met a green monster in a dark alley... leave it alone and let it ripen. I
    can't see myself working up the enthusiasm to reinvent the wheel for another go.

    What's wrong with MySql or Maria - I've toggled between the two with little problems. And given that I pretty much use it exclusively in docker, a database gets thrown around hosts all the time, and auto upgraded as the base image is updated upstream.

    What version of PHP have you been using? I think (IIRC) the mysql module for PHP did change many years ago (ie: a new method was used in place of the original method) - so if you are using an old environent, you may be in that limbo period. Everything I do now, I use PDO, since it provides an interface to Maria/Mysql/Postgres and DB2.



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  • From Spectre@21:3/101 to deon on Sun Sep 12 14:52:00 2021
    What's wrong with MySql or Maria - I've toggled between the two with little problems. And given that I pretty much use it exclusively in docker, a database gets thrown around hosts all the time, and auto upgraded as the base image is updated upstream.

    As an aside, last time I did an "upgrade" I was left with a non-bootable system. Whatever it did, the new kernel wouldn't load.. and you'd have to manually load the original kernel.

    I always found MySql or sql in general to be rather... arcane.. and to be fair I've never used it in anger previous to the pineapple work. Certainly not had anything run before. Now it might be trying to install maria on the above mentioned system... it was blowing raspberries at me while eventually just going back to MySql just worked.

    What version of PHP have you been using? I think (IIRC) the mysql module for PHP did change many years ago (ie: a new method was used in place of

    Off hand I can't tell you....probably 5.x and something current are installed. I'm seeing 7.4.13, from the CLI, and 5.6 in the apache mods-enabled.

    No idea what PDO might be...

    Spec


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  • From StormTrooper@21:2/108 to Spectre on Sun Sep 12 06:26:10 2021
    install maria on the above mentioned system... it was blowing
    raspberries at me while eventually just going back to MySql just worked.


    Hmmm can't type the character, but is anyone else seeing random "i" inserted into Spec's messages?

    ST

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  • From Al@21:4/106.2 to StormTrooper on Sat Sep 11 23:57:20 2021
    install maria on the above mentioned system... it was blowing
    raspberries at me while eventually just going back to MySql just worked.

    Hmmm can't type the character, but is anyone else seeing random "i" inserted into Spec's messages?

    Those are softCR's that you are seeing. They were quite popular in another time and place and sometimes still show up at different times.

    Some editors or message viewers have an option to strip, disable or ignore them and others not.

    I don't notice them here in BBBS so I think it must strip them out and I have options in my golded.cfg to ignore them.

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  • From Spectre@21:3/101 to Al on Sun Sep 12 18:45:00 2021
    Those are softCR's that you are seeing. They were quite popular in another time and place and sometimes still show up at different times.

    Tres strange. I thought I had them disabled. Oddly they play havoc here when they come back in. The quoted lines get <cr>s instead of regular line wrap.

    I wonder if its actually being caused by editing multiple lines.. that is, if I run off the end of an existing line then delete it and rewrite something over the end again. It keeps both maybe? Ponder... will have a look.

    Spec


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  • From Spectre@21:3/101 to Spectre on Sun Sep 12 19:21:00 2021
    Tres strange. I thought I had them disabled. Oddly they play havoc here

    Wellllll it turns out theres config files all over the place... I'm not 100%
    I got them all. It looks like ice edit is creating a new one in the current directory it is called from.

    Still this one can serve as a testicle to see if they've been sorted or not. Doesn't look like editing over length lines had any effect on previous
    messages although the soft crs ended up in strange places.

    Spec


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  • From StormTrooper@21:2/108 to Spectre on Sun Sep 12 09:30:46 2021
    Still this one can serve as a testicle to see if they've been sorted or

    Looks all clear now.. you might have gotten it...

    ST

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  • From Warpslide@21:3/110 to StormTrooper on Sun Sep 12 10:26:30 2021
    On 12 Sep 2021, StormTrooper said the following...

    Hmmm can't type the character, but is anyone else seeing random "i" inserted into Spec's messages?

    Yup, I see them here as well. They usually appear at the beginning of every line after the first line for some reason.


    Jay

    ... It is a well known fact that a deceased body harms the mind.

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  • From Arelor@21:2/138 to deon on Sun Sep 12 12:04:08 2021
    Re: Re: re :protonmail shares IP address leading to arrest
    By: deon to Arelor on Sun Sep 12 2021 10:14 am

    PHP and Database migrations suck though. Specially if you use certain webapps which break compatibility with your current setup during a freaking point release. Because everybody knows moving from WebApp 2.1.1 WebApp 2.1.1.1 is supposed to require you to move to the nest major Maria and PHP releases. Ieeeaaaarghrhrhr

    I think you might have a had a bad run with PHP apps?


    Just with one, which deserves to have all its files overwriten with zeroes, just before the drives that store it are sank into a pool of boric acid. The same pool of acid where the developer of such monstruosity should be sank in at that.

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    gopher://gopher.richardfalken.com/1/richardfalken
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  • From Spectre@21:3/101 to Arelor on Mon Sep 13 06:41:00 2021
    zeroes, just before the drives that store it are sank into a pool
    of boric acid. The same pool of acid where the developer of such

    Or just replace his powdered recreational drugs with Borax... :) reminiscent of a scene from "Meet the Feebles"

    Spec


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  • From Al@21:4/106.2 to Spectre on Sun Sep 12 14:21:12 2021
    Spectre wrote to Al <=-

    Those are softCR's that you are seeing. They were quite popular in another time and place and sometimes still show up at different times.

    Tres strange. I thought I had them disabled. Oddly they play havoc
    here when they come back in. The quoted lines get <cr>s instead of
    regular line wrap.

    It's probably being added by your editor. IceEdit has an option in the setup to disable them.

    I wonder if its actually being caused by editing multiple lines.. that
    is, if I run off the end of an existing line then delete it and rewrite something over the end again. It keeps both maybe? Ponder... will have
    a look.

    I forget the reason for those softCRs but they are talked about in FTN docs. They should simply be ignored if your editor/reader can't use/undertand them.

    Ttyl :-),
    Al

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  • From Spectre@21:3/101 to Al on Mon Sep 13 08:20:00 2021
    It's probably being added by your editor. IceEdit has an option in the

    You're right, and previously I had wandered through the config to get them disabled. Seems they came back from the dead. I suspect IceEdit has some
    idea what its doing with them here, but "The Reader" doesn't know what to do with them, or follows them blindly when they come back in quoted text. How
    they appear anywhere else if anyones guess.

    Spec


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  • From Avon@21:1/101 to Spectre on Wed Sep 15 14:24:16 2021
    On 10 Sep 2021 at 06:59p, Spectre pondered and said...

    Its a bit of a handful the first time or two around the block, but its
    not really difficult to get a server, I usually use postfix, up and running. The one thing I have trouble getting right is the SSL nd of things. Not sure why... just never seems to work properly. Otherwise, Postfix, Dovecot, and something else I'm having a mental blank with just pretty much install and work.

    OK, good to know - thanks! :)

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  • From Avon@21:1/101 to hyjinx on Wed Sep 15 14:25:54 2021
    On 10 Sep 2021 at 10:17p, hyjinx pondered and said...

    I have set up qmail, sendmail+m4 and laterally postfix with dovecot more times than I cae to admit. Everyt time was a pain in the ass but I got better each time. I am currently shuddering thinking about moving my mx
    to a new server, but with patience, it does work. Just note though that your ISP probably have an agreement with the 5 eyes and they are
    probably doing SSL offload somewhere, so I pretty much consider
    everything I do on the net (even on my own servers) as clear-text, postcard status. There is very little that can't be seen by the authorities unless you are in a country that is non 5-eyes and truly supports the privacy of the indiivdual. New Zealand is definitely not
    one of them, which is a sad fact because I'm proud of NZ for so many
    other things politically. Just my 2c.

    Interesting to read and yeah, kinda thought the same about the clear-text thing... if I ever do get keen to try and set up my own I may come knocking
    for guidance counsellings and therapy sessions :)

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