Having adecuate vitamin levels seems to help quite a bit, though.
...though multivitamins are either ineffective or have a negative impact on lifespan. That one still seems odd.
All the same, I've actively taken vitamin C stuff to fend off / avoid having a cold, and literally refer to it as a placebo.
Also, *ANY* supplement, including multivitamins, are likely to be
harmful when taken in "high doses". Nobody's talking about doing that.
Most everything is harmful if over-done.
Maybe people are using the stuff at much less frequent
intervals than the typical expected usage, or using less of
the product per application than you would expect?
Thare are some products that last much more than what you
would think. For example, my bars of soap are so dense that
you can use one for months and still be no close to run out
of it.
Not bad for soap worth 4 bucks the bar :-)
However, I am not talking about it. I am talking about high
rotation products such as edulcorants. People who likes
their coffee with artificial sweeteners eat through
saccarine and stevia blazzing fast. Yet they buy the small
jar instead of the big, cost-efficient one, for example.
Ogg wrote to Arelor <=-
Not bad. I think most people in North America use the soft
soaps that come in bottles.
My team and I took echinachea, vitamin C and washed our hands
religiously after fixing other people's computers, and we didn't get
sick. Once.
My team and I took echinachea, vitamin C and washed our hands religiously after fixing other people's computers, and we didn't get sick. Once.
Isn't echinachea the one that had lots of government-funded studies on its efficacy, in the hope
that it'd help with colds, and the results always came back as, "Nope. No evidence that it'd hel
Of course, boosters of it would always say the studies didn't study the right thing, but I thoug
that's one herbal remedy that has been at least fairly-well tested.
Having adecuate vitamin levels seems to help quite a bit, though.
Having adecuate vitamin levels seems to help quite a bit, though.
...though multivitamins are either ineffective or have a negative impact on lifespan. That one still seems odd.
All the same, I've actively taken vitamin C stuff to fend off / avoid having a cold, and literally refer to it as a placebo.
Vitamin C is nice, but it is so _easy_ to get from food that I would not recommend to take specific Vitamin C pills unless you have actual
Adept wrote to Arelor <=-
Having adecuate vitamin levels seems to help quite a bit, though.
...though multivitamins are either ineffective or have a negative
impact on lifespan. That one still seems odd.
Adept wrote to Arelor <=-
Having adecuate vitamin levels seems to help quite a bit, though.
...though multivitamins are either ineffective or have a negative
impact on lifespan. That one still seems odd.
Really? Where'd you get that idea?
Oli wrote to Gamgee <=-
Having adecuate vitamin levels seems to help quite a bit, though.
...though multivitamins are either ineffective or have a negative
impact on lifespan. That one still seems odd.
Really? Where'd you get that idea?
- there is a press release of some scientific study
- turned into click bait by internet news site: "multivitamin
supplements might shorten your life"
- people tell other people that multivitamin pills don't help and
might be harmful
- people believe that until some other scientific study click-bait
tells us the opposite is true
- cycle repeats
meanwhile in alternative facts land:
cheap multivitamin supplements are relabeled and sold much more
expensive as the cure for everything. From cancer to so called
'mental illnesses' to deadly viruses.
https://www.hsph.harvard.edu/nutritionsource/multivitamin/
meanwhile in alternative facts land:
cheap multivitamin supplements are relabeled and sold much more expensive as the cure for everything. From cancer to so called 'mental illnesses' to dead viruses.
https://www.hsph.harvard.edu/nutritionsource/multivitamin/
Adept wrote to poindexter FORTRAN <=-
My team and I took echinachea, vitamin C and washed our hands
religiously after fixing other people's computers, and we didn't get
sick. Once.
Isn't echinachea the one that had lots of government-funded studies on
its efficacy, in the hopes that it'd help with colds, and the results always came back as, "Nope. No evidence that it'd help."
...though multivitamins are either ineffective or have a negative impact on lifespan. That one still seems odd.
Really? Where'd you get that idea?
- people tell other people that multivitamin pills don't help and might
be harmful
- people believe that until some other scientific study click-bait tells us the opposite is true
- cycle repeats
Adept wrote to Gamgee <=-
...though multivitamins are either ineffective or have a negative impact on lifespan. That one still seems odd.
Really? Where'd you get that idea?
Various things that have appeared in news reports.
E.g., something like: https://www.hopkinsmedicine.org/health/wellness-and-prevention/is- there-really-any-benefit-to-multivitamins
"The researchers concluded that multivitamins don't reduce the
risk for heart disease, cancer, cognitive decline (such as memory
loss and slowed-down thinking) or an early death. They also noted
that in prior studies, vitamin E and beta-carotene supplements
appear to be harmful, especially at high doses."
Also, *ANY* supplement, including multivitamins, are likely to be
harmful when taken in "high doses". Nobody's talking about doing that.
Most everything is harmful if over-done.
Isn't echinachea the one that had lots of government-funded studies on its
...though multivitamins are either ineffective or have a negative impact on lifespan. That one still seems odd.
It's been around for years, but it's possible that placebos and a positive mental attitude could have contributed. Whatever it was, it worked!
"The researchers concluded that multivitamins don't reduce the risk for heart disease, cancer, cognitive decline (such as memory loss
and slowed-down thinking) or an early death. They also noted that
in prior studies, vitamin E and beta-carotene supplements appear
to be harmful, especially at high doses."
I don't think most people, including myself, take a multivitamin to prevent themselves from getting heart disease, cancer, Alzheimer's, or
an early death. I take it to ensure I have enough/balanced vitamin
intake to help with feeling good/energetic/focused. I take it to
"cover" me if I'm too busy to eat lunch. I take it to help prevent me from getting the common cold. Just daily common sense stuff, not to prevent catastrophic diseases from happening.
- people tell other people that multivitamin pills don't help and
might be harmful
- people believe that until some other scientific study click-bait
tells us the opposite is true
- cycle repeats
I think that's oversimplifying/dismissing what the research has been showing.
From what we've seen, is that vitamin supplements help if someone has a deficiency.
But a multivitamin is a, "Hey, just in case you're deficient in anything, here ya go!", and can wind up giving people too much of something that's fat soluble and sticks around forever.
Anyway, I'm mostly responding because I'm not fond of, "the cycle repeats" when we're talking about solid, non-political, just-trying-to-figure-things-out research.
People are still fallible, and it's _hard_ to research something like
this, but it's all the data we have. I'd prefer it if people gave it
proper weight -- both enough credit and enough, "...but the world is complicated, and we're learning"
What is the alternative? Most health insurances don't pay a full screening f deficiencies. Most physicians don't screen for deficiencies. They treat your symptoms.
The bottom line was improve your diet before reaching to Vitamins...
on lifespan. That one still seems odd.
Chuckle, is that because of the nature of the people taking them? :) The ill, sick and dying?
I'm not talking about the research itself, but the way how a cherry
picked 10+ page paper gets condensed into some headline and then transforms into a believe.
What is the alternative?
A standard multivitamin tablet cost 2 or 3 cents. That's affordable for a placebo effect and a daily intake that is most likely harmless. ;-)
I have the impression the reputation of science and researches is often black or white.
expected. I only criticize what we do with the results of single
studies. Like "coffee is unhealthy" => (a moderate amount of) "coffee is healthy".
And we _are_ talking about multivitamins, which are not exactly a niche thing. And who doesn't want to be a Flintstones kid?
thing. And who doesn't want to be a Flintstones kid?
And we _are_ talking about multivitamins, which are not exactly a niche thing.
And who doesn't want to be a Flintstones kid?
I think I used to OD on them because they tasted sooooo good when I was younger.
Flintstones kid? BamBam?
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