If Apple can sell people to the FBI and make some quick buck, they will do. Megacorporations don't like to define themselves as a "Phone
company" or a "Toy company". They define themselves as "Manufacturers"
or "Service providers". If Apple thought they could make money selling nuclear submarines, they would.

Agreed, but companies also have a history of protecting the cash cows they already have (and oftentimes to their detriment).

I would expect Apple not to do things that would cannibalize their ability to sell phones. They must think that doing this will not jeopardize that. Evidently, "we're thinking of the children!" is expected to outweigh, "we're watching you", for phone sales.

As an aside, my completely-an-unjustified-conspiracy-theory thought is that, since the current proposal will send images to someone at Apple to check
(which seems likely illegal), there's a pedophile in the company who thought this was a good idea, and a way to get content while hoisting the flag of anti-pedophilia.

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The IIfx was a nice box... plenty of Nubus slots, 030 processor? I think.. AUSOM, Apple Users Society of Melbourne used to have one to drive their FirstClass BBS.

The only foibles I found in running it, were the interrupt for the mouse suspended serial port activity, and FirstClass was hell on the file system. We had to take it down and defrag/file check it regularly or it'd eat itself alive every month.

Since then I haven't really been near a mac, despite actually getting a SawTooth G4, which was meant for AppleTalk but of course doesn't support LocalTalk. And the MacClassic which is there, I keep meaning to get the GS netbooting from it. But even the GS is packed away at the moment.

We have a longish term lockdown going on and I presently have 5 people in a 2 bedroom unit. So FULL house as they say..

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Hello iPhone users..

What say you about Apple's plan for your phones?

"The changes will roll out "later this year in updates to iOS
15, iPadOS 15, watchOS 8, and macOS Monterey," Apple said.
Apple will also deploy software that can analyze images in the
Messages application"

https://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2021/08/apple-explains-how- iphones-will-scan-photos-for-child-sexual-abuse-images/

https://tinyurl.com/yzdv24p5





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On 06 Aug 2021 at 10:41p, Ogg pondered and said...

Hello iPhone users..

What say you about Apple's plan for your phones?

If they can scan for X then I guess they can (or do) scan for Y,Z etc. too?

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Avon wrote (2021-08-07):

On 06 Aug 2021 at 10:41p, Ogg pondered and said...

Hello iPhone users..

What say you about Apple's plan for your phones?

I know why I never 'owned' an iPhone. Apple is a control freak. But people (especially in the US) embrace surveillance and don't care that much about privacy. Even more to 'protect' their children.

I wonder what their definition of "sexually explicit photos" is?

I also don't think it is allowed in the EU without explicit and voluntary consent.

From the comment section on Ars:

- A blackbox algorithm for determining if images match (with some level of fuzziness to tolerate resizing, rotation, etc)...

- Checks images on my phone against a blackbox database of hashes that someone swears that are really bad (that, of course, can't be verified in any way)...

- Gives me no way to determine if anything matches anything in that database...

- Except if there are too many matches, Apple decrypts them, disables my account (but I can appeal!), and delivers some blob of information about me to some group.

If they can scan for X then I guess they can (or do) scan for Y,Z etc.
too?

Apple has control over the software running on 'their' devices anyway. They can do whatever they want.

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Re: Apple will start scanning iPhone images
By: Ogg to All on Fri Aug 06 2021 10:41 pm

Hello iPhone users..

What say you about Apple's plan for your phones?

"The changes will roll out "later this year in updates to iOS
15, iPadOS 15, watchOS 8, and macOS Monterey," Apple said.
Apple will also deploy software that can analyze images in the
Messages application"

https://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2021/08/apple-explains-how- iphones-will-scan-photos-for-child-sexual-abuse-images/

https://tinyurl.com/yzdv24p5

I think it is awesome that Apple is looking into their customer's stuff in order to see what is in their phones. I have always wanted a megacorporation to look at what I am doing 24/7. In fact, I am so thrilled I may purchase an iPhone right now.

I was already considering it because Apple's overblown prices were attractive, and the fact they treat developers like trash is always good. They also censor programs they dislike so you have no option other than running what they aprove off, which is awesome! However, I felt that Apple was lacking, you know, a special "something" to make me feel dominated by a pro.

But this is it! I think no platform of our time can treat the users so badly. I have been a bad boy and I need my Master megacorp to punish me, so I am gonna purchase 30 iPhones right now. I can't wait to the models that spank your ass!

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Oli wrote to Avon <=-

I know why I never 'owned' an iPhone. Apple is a control freak. But
people (especially in the US) embrace surveillance and don't care that much about privacy. Even more to 'protect' their children.

Some people in the US may, but a lot of them just don't care. They are
willing to trade freedom for convenience. If you tell them what their
Apple (or Google) devices are/could be up to, they think it is "bad" but
they don't care enough to stop using them. I am not one them.

I suspect that Apple has already tested this tech. They have been
assisting the Chinese government with surveillance of their citizens for a
few years now so they are probably pretty good at it.


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Avon wrote to Ogg <=-

What say you about Apple's plan for your phones?

If they can scan for X then I guess they can (or do) scan for Y,Z etc. too?

Exactly. Scanning for pictures of potential child exploitation sounds
good, but it could just as easily be used to expose other behaviors a government deems inappropriate. It was not that long ago that same-sex relationships were forbidden in some coutries (and probably still are). The "big brother" possibilities are endless.



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But this is it! I think no platform of our time can treat the users so badly. I have been a bad boy and I need my Master megacorp to punish
me, so I am gonna purchase 30 iPhones right now. I can't wait to the models that spank your ass!

Or that will turn you into the authorities. :)


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Re: Apple will start scanning iPhone images
By: Oli to Avon on Sat Aug 07 2021 07:35 am

I know why I never 'owned' an iPhone. Apple is a control freak. But people (especially in the US) embrace surveillance and don't care that much about privacy. Even more to 'protect' their children.

And a lot of people seem to think it's okay because they "have nothing to hide".

I've heard Apple has tended to value user privacy though (at least they've said they do), so this news seems interesting.

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I've heard Apple has tended to value user privacy though (at least
they've said they do), so this news seems interesting.

The cynical version of that is that Apple is a hardware company, thus is interested in what gets people to buy hardware.

Google is an advertising company, thus is interested in what gets advertisers to buy ads.

But all the same, "Oh, your phone is going to spy on you, checking to make
sure you don't have any illegal images" does not seem like something overly positive for a hardware company.

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On 09 Aug 2021, Nightfox said the following...

And a lot of people seem to think it's okay because they "have nothing to hide".

I have nothing to hide, but I really wouldn't want somebody snooping through my camera roll. I mean, all you're going to find are pictures of cats, food & bunch of computer equipment (for serial numbers, network port locations etc) - But all the same, I'd rather not have someone digging through.

I've heard Apple has tended to value user privacy though (at least
they've said they do), so this news seems interesting.

Only two years ago Apple put up a billboard that read: "What happens on your iPhone, stays on your iPhone."

https://9to5mac.com/2019/01/05/apple-privacy-billboard-vegas-ces/

I guess they can't put those up anymore...


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Re: Re: Apple will start scanning iPhone images
By: Adept to Nightfox on Mon Aug 09 2021 07:45 pm

I've heard Apple has tended to value user privacy though (at least
they've said they do), so this news seems interesting.

The cynical version of that is that Apple is a hardware company, thus is interested in what gets people to buy hardware.

But all the same, "Oh, your phone is going to spy on you, checking to make sure you don't have any illegal images" does not seem like something overly positive for a hardware company.

That's basically waht I was saying. For a company that is supposedly known for wanting to protect users' privacy, it's not really positive to know that they're now going to monitor your device.

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Re: Re: Apple will start scanning iPhone images
By: Warpslide to Nightfox on Mon Aug 09 2021 03:49 pm

And a lot of people seem to think it's okay because they "have
nothing to hide".

I have nothing to hide, but I really wouldn't want somebody snooping through my camera roll. I mean, all you're going to find are pictures of cats, food & bunch of computer equipment (for serial numbers, network port locations etc) - But all the same, I'd rather not have someone digging through.

Yep, even if I have nothing to hide, I wouldn't really want someone snooping through and seeing photos of my family, friends, stuff I own, etc..

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Re: Apple will start scanning iPhone images
By: Nightfox to Oli on Mon Aug 09 2021 12:39 pm

Re: Apple will start scanning iPhone images
By: Oli to Avon on Sat Aug 07 2021 07:35 am

I know why I never 'owned' an iPhone. Apple is a control freak. But peo (especially in the US) embrace surveillance and don't care that much ab privacy. Even more to 'protect' their children.

And a lot of people seem to think it's okay because they "have nothing to hide".

I've heard Apple has tended to value user privacy though (at least they've s they do), so this news seems interesting.

Nightfox

I think Apple had this reputation for respecting user privacy because their privacy/permission system (in iOS at least) used to be just better than Android's (which was pretty much unexistent until recent time).

Android has incorporated a more fine grained permission system for applications and lets you opt-out of a lot of tracking services nowadays. I don't know if the improvement is enough to consider they have catched up. Certainly, after Apple's talk about scaning your phone's content, I don't consider them a golden standard.

Besides, privacy configurations only work if they honor them. I personally don't think they necessarily do.

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Re: Re: Apple will start scanning iPhone images
By: Adept to Nightfox on Mon Aug 09 2021 07:45 pm

I've heard Apple has tended to value user privacy though (at least they've said they do), so this news seems interesting.

The cynical version of that is that Apple is a hardware company, thus is interested in what gets people to buy hardware.

Google is an advertising company, thus is interested in what gets advertiser to buy ads.

But all the same, "Oh, your phone is going to spy on you, checking to make sure you don't have any illegal images" does not seem like something overly positive for a hardware company.

If Apple can sell people to the FBI and make some quick buck, they will do. Megacorporations don't like to define themselves as a "Phone company" or a "Toy company". They define themselves as "Manufacturers" or "Service providers". If Apple thought they could make money selling nuclear submarines, they would.

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Yeah Apple have been getting steadily more Big Brother is watching, for the last 30years... connectivity just makes it more possible now.

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If Apple can sell people to the FBI and make some quick buck, they will do. Megacorporations don't like to define themselves as a "Phone
company" or a "Toy company". They define themselves as "Manufacturers"
or "Service providers". If Apple thought they could make money selling nuclear submarines, they would.

Agreed, but companies also have a history of protecting the cash cows they already have (and oftentimes to their detriment).

I would expect Apple not to do things that would cannibalize their ability to sell phones. They must think that doing this will not jeopardize that. Evidently, "we're thinking of the children!" is expected to outweigh, "we're watching you", for phone sales.

As an aside, my completely-an-unjustified-conspiracy-theory thought is that, since the current proposal will send images to someone at Apple to check
(which seems likely illegal), there's a pedophile in the company who thought this was a good idea, and a way to get content while hoisting the flag of anti-pedophilia.

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I have nothing to hide, but I really wouldn't want somebody snooping through my camera roll. I mean, all you're going to find are pictures
of cats, food & bunch of computer equipment (for serial numbers, network port locations etc) - But all the same, I'd rather not have someone

I have plenty to hide -- just nothing illegal.

E.g., if I take a selfie trying to figure out if some piece of clothing looks good or terrible on me, I'm doing it with the thought that, if I look
terrible, I'm not going to have that photo seen or shared by someone else.

And if I take pictures of documents that could be used to take out a credit card in my name, I'm doing it with the thought that anyone looking at those without my permission are doing it illegally.

And all this aside, it's not like their child porn hashes are going to be
fool proof.

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Hello Adept!

** On Wednesday 11.08.21 - 11:02, Adept wrote to Arelor:

[...] since the current proposal will send images to
someone at Apple to check (which seems likely illegal),
there's a pedophile in the company who thought this was a
good idea, and a way to get content while hoisting the flag
of anti-pedophilia.

Hmmm.. now THERE's a thought! Maybe it's a plurarily of the
various engineering departments.

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Hello Adept!

** On Wednesday 11.08.21 - 11:14, Adept wrote to Warpslide:

I have nothing to hide, but I really wouldn't want somebody snooping
through my camera roll. [...]

[...]

And if I take pictures of documents that could be used to
take out a credit card in my name, I'm doing it with the
thought that anyone looking at those without my permission
are doing it illegally.

I hear that taking pictures of cheques is now a defacto 1st
step to deposit them electronically.

People still want to take pictures for personal private reasons
too.

And all this aside, it's not like their child porn hashes
are going to be fool proof.

It's going to be a mess.


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Re: Re: Apple will start scanning iPhone images
By: Adept to Warpslide on Wed Aug 11 2021 11:14 am

I have plenty to hide -- just nothing illegal.

There are literally thousands of laws applying to a given individual in any Western country in a given moment of time. Nobody knows all the laws that apply to them. Not even lawyers.

Last time somebody told me he was doing nothing illegal, I pointed to one of the anti-panic lights in the office and told him his lights were outdated, and thus illegal, and thus he was breaking a Complementary Technical Instruction from the Low Tension Electrotechnic Reglament, not to mention the corresponding workspace security regulation. The guy had no clue he was breaking any rule at all.

Next time you say you have nothing illegal to hide, think again.

If anything, we are guilty by default.

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If anything, we are guilty by default.

Ignorance is guilt.

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On 11 Aug 2021, Adept said the following...

I have plenty to hide -- just nothing illegal.

And if I take pictures of documents that could be used to take out a credit card in my name, I'm doing it with the thought that anyone
looking at those without my permission are doing it illegally.

You know, I hadn't considered that. I do use my phone's camera to take pictures of chiropractor receipts that I can submit to my benefits company for reimbursement. I don't keep those pictures, but it's still in my camera roll for a short time.

Thanks to all of these data breaches, I have free credit monitoring for the next five or so years. I did get an alert that someone was trying to apply for a Wal-Mart MasterCard in my name, in fact they applied once a day for 3 days in a row, which really lowered my score.

Thankfully I was able to call both Wal-Mart and TransUnion within an hour of it first happening and cancel the application. It was also eventually removed from my credit report (after about two months...)

We don't have the ability to "freeze" our credit reports here in Canada, but they were able to add a "fraud alert" where they can still check my credit, but they're supposed to call the phone number I provided to verify with me before extending any form of credit in my name.

And all this aside, it's not like their child porn hashes are going to be fool proof.

Exactly, I would hate to be chilling out on the couch one day when suddenly a battalion of armed officers storm my living room, all because I had a picture of my nephew, in a pumpkin, texted to me for his 1st birthday.


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There are literally thousands of laws applying to a given individual in any Western country in a given moment of time. Nobody knows all the laws that apply to them. Not even lawyers.

Ah, yeah, good point. We live in a Kafkaesque world.

I'm sure I break laws all the time, with my computer -- just that most of the time I'm taking a photo I'm pretty sure I'm in the clear, barring complete ignorance.

But I guess I'm in Germany, now (well, until Sunday morning), and there are probably laws against taking photos in certain circumstances that I'm
entirely unaware of.

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Spectre wrote to Ogg <=-

Yeah Apple have been getting steadily more Big Brother is watching, for the last 30years... connectivity just makes it more possible now.

They're scanning iCloud, aren't they? So, the price for free photo storage
is monitoring?


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Adept wrote to Arelor <=-

Agreed, but companies also have a history of protecting the cash cows
they already have (and oftentimes to their detriment).

There was an interesting article I'll have to dig up now about how Sony
Music was the reason why a "Sony MP3man" didn't become the dominant music player. The music side drove reliance on DRM into the design, while other players of the time that didn't have a media company calling the shots did
not - and the market chose otherwise.




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Adept wrote to Warpslide <=-

I have plenty to hide -- just nothing illegal.

Tagline made.


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Arelor wrote to Adept <=-

Next time you say you have nothing illegal to hide, think again.

If anything, we are guilty by default.

True, but I thought Adept wasn't using the claim to downplay the need/desire for privacy, rather the desire to keep private the things we want to keep private, regardless of legality.


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Re: Re: Apple will start scanning iPhone images
By: Adept to Arelor on Thu Aug 12 2021 12:20 am

There are literally thousands of laws applying to a given individual in any Western country
a given moment of time. Nobody knows all the laws that apply to them. Not even lawyers.

Ah, yeah, good point. We live in a Kafkaesque world.

I'm sure I break laws all the time, with my computer -- just that most of the time I'm taking a
photo I'm pretty sure I'm in the clear, barring complete ignorance.

But I guess I'm in Germany, now (well, until Sunday morning), and there are probably laws agains
taking photos in certain circumstances that I'm
entirely unaware of.

Germany has some reputation of being extra-weird regarding such things.

There are a number of circumpstances in which pictures of public events in Spain may be considered
illegal. For example, if you take a picture of a cop beating a grandma in the center of some busy
square at noon, you can get into trouble.

There was a bug fuss in Spain when that law got updated.

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There was an interesting article I'll have to dig up now about how Sony Music was the reason why a "Sony MP3man" didn't become the dominant
music player. The music side drove reliance on DRM into the design,
while other players of the time that didn't have a media company calling the shots did not - and the market chose otherwise.

I assume that was the era that Sony put nasty malware on their CDs and
somehow thought that was a good idea.

I remember knowing lots of details, and being amazed that you could peel away the nastiness like an onion, and there kept being yet another layer of really nasty things they were doing, and somehow people thought they were on the "good" side somehow.

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On 07 Aug 2021 at 08:01a, Blue White pondered and said...

Exactly. Scanning for pictures of potential child exploitation sounds good, but it could just as easily be used to expose other behaviors a government deems inappropriate. It was not that long ago that same-sex relationships were forbidden in some coutries (and probably still are). The "big brother" possibilities are endless.

Seems like some recent comments from their spokespeople make it out like they (Apple) feel misunderstood. I'm really not sure. To be honest I have not followed it all too closely. I guess it could be a case of a corporate trying to do good and not thinking it through enough?

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Re: Re: Apple will start scanning iPhone images
By: Avon to Blue White on Sat Aug 14 2021 01:36 pm

followed it all too closely. I guess it could be a case of a corporate tryin to do good and not thinking it through enough?

The corporate trying to be good. Now that is a good joke!

We need to get you a stand-up show. You'd be a killer! XD

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Adept wrote to poindexter FORTRAN <=-

I remember knowing lots of details, and being amazed that you could
peel away the nastiness like an onion, and there kept being yet another layer of really nasty things they were doing, and somehow people
thought they were on the "good" side somehow.

Because, protecting artists!

Not that the artists saw any of the fruits of Sony's efforts. It'd be interesting to see if the recording industry ever paid any of the fines/judgements back to the artists whose work was pirated.


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They're scanning iCloud, aren't they? So, the price for free photo storage is monitoring?

Shrug. As discussed before, putting data out there on someone elses server still boggles my mind. The latest Apple equipment I own is a MacClassic with something around MacOS 7 on it, and I only have that for AppleTalk with the IIgs.

Way back when.. might have been M$'s email offering at the time, used to say in the fine print, anything you send via our server we own. Things don't change much on the application of them. :)

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Avon wrote to Blue White <=-

Exactly. Scanning for pictures of potential child exploitation sounds good, but it could just as easily be used to expose other behaviors a government deems inappropriate. It was not that long ago that same-sex relationships were forbidden in some coutries (and probably still are). The "big brother" possibilities are endless.

Seems like some recent comments from their spokespeople make it out
like they (Apple) feel misunderstood. I'm really not sure. To be honest
I have not followed it all too closely. I guess it could be a case of a corporate trying to do good and not thinking it through enough?

Could be. There was an article on osnews.com recently that suggested that
one reason they might be trying to do good is that they (Apple) might have
an issue with these kind of images within their own organization.

There have also been several articles on osnews in the past year or so regarding how Apple (and Google) have been assisting the Chinese government with rooting out political activists. I don't see this more-recent announcement as being a coincidence.


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Spectre wrote to poindexter FORTRAN <=-

Shrug. As discussed before, putting data out there on someone elses
server still boggles my mind. The latest Apple equipment I own is a MacClassic with something around MacOS 7 on it, and I only have that
for AppleTalk with the IIgs.

I love old Mac equipment -- I worked for the company that made After Dark,
and supported 70+ mac users. I went from a Mac Plus at my previous company
to a IIci, to a Quadra 700, to a Quadra 610, and finally, when I'd left, a IIfx. It was a step back in a way, but I always wanted to use one of
those... :)


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to a IIci, to a Quadra 700, to a Quadra 610, and finally, when I'd left, a IIfx. It was a step back in a way, but I always wanted to use one of

The IIfx was a nice box... plenty of Nubus slots, 030 processor? I think.. AUSOM, Apple Users Society of Melbourne used to have one to drive their FirstClass BBS.

The only foibles I found in running it, were the interrupt for the mouse suspended serial port activity, and FirstClass was hell on the file system. We had to take it down and defrag/file check it regularly or it'd eat itself alive every month.

Since then I haven't really been near a mac, despite actually getting a SawTooth G4, which was meant for AppleTalk but of course doesn't support LocalTalk. And the MacClassic which is there, I keep meaning to get the GS netbooting from it. But even the GS is packed away at the moment.

We have a longish term lockdown going on and I presently have 5 people in a 2 bedroom unit. So FULL house as they say..

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