• PC LOAD LETTER

    From Ogg@21:4/106.21 to Al on Tue Aug 3 18:05:00 2021
    Hello Al!

    ** On Tuesday 03.08.21 - 12:51, Al wrote to Zip:

    Later on I switched to laser printers, but I'm now back to
    inkjets again (it was too cheap to resist -- the actual
    printer, that is, not the cartridges -- they know how to
    take your money :-D).

    I still have an Epson Stylus PHOTO/RX500 here. It's a
    pretty good printer as I recall but I haven't put any new
    cartidges in it for years. It's just too expensive.

    If I can't view something on the web or save a local copy
    as PDF or so, I just live without it.

    You should be able to find a nice monochrome (ie. black only)
    laser printer that you could use for things like that.

    I have an HP P1005 that I purchased around 2008. Never a
    problem. I'm only on my 2nd toner - and I think I've printed a
    lot over the years.

    I have an HP CP2020 (colour) at my shop, purchased around 2006.
    It's still operating like a charm. Quality is superb.

    I think laser printers provide less mechanical/ink issues and
    offer the best value.

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  • From poindexter FORTRAN@21:4/122 to All on Mon Aug 2 18:54:00 2021
    My inkjet printer has started power cycling every 10 minutes. I hear it
    beep, then the paper tray roller spins to engage the paper, then it makes
    some crunking noises, then goes quiet. For the next 10 minutes.

    I'm going to fix it with a ball-peen hammer if this keeps up.


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  • From Zip@21:1/202 to poindexter FORTRAN on Tue Aug 3 21:34:30 2021
    Hello poindexter FORTRAN!

    Oh, what a nice subject line -- If I could count the number of times I saw that message on old HP LaserJet 4s... :-D

    On 02 Aug 2021, poindexter FORTRAN said the following...
    My inkjet printer has started power cycling every 10 minutes. I hear it beep, then the paper tray roller spins to engage the paper, then it
    makes some crunking noises, then goes quiet. For the next 10 minutes.

    I'm going to fix it with a ball-peen hammer if this keeps up.

    :-O

    Speaking of crunking noises... My old HP DeskJet 540 that I had once upon a time sometimes (more and more often) made a *terrible* noise when feeding paper so that one literally jumped off one's chair... Something with the cogs I think. (But actually a very nice printer otherwise.)

    Later on I switched to laser printers, but I'm now back to inkjets again (it was too cheap to resist -- the actual printer, that is, not the cartridges -- they know how to take your money :-D).

    "WARMING UP"

    Best regards
    Zip

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  • From Al@21:4/106.2 to Zip on Tue Aug 3 12:51:00 2021
    Later on I switched to laser printers, but I'm now back to inkjets again (it was too cheap to resist -- the actual printer, that is, not the cartridges -- they know how to take your money :-D).

    I still have an Epson Stylus PHOTO/RX500 here. It's a pretty good printer as I recall but I haven't put any new cartidges in it for years. It's just too expensive.

    If I can't view something on the web or save a local copy as PDF or so, I just live without it.

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  • From Zip@21:1/202 to Al on Tue Aug 3 23:16:48 2021
    Hello Al!

    On 03 Aug 2021, Al said the following...
    I still have an Epson Stylus PHOTO/RX500 here. It's a pretty good
    printer as I recall but I haven't put any new cartidges in it for years. It's just too expensive.

    Yep... I think 3 sets of XL (= decently sized) cartridges, 3 color + 1 black, equal the price of the printer for me. :-O

    But -- it's got duplex, a document feeder with one-pass duplex scanning, fax (yay! :-D), wired and Wi-Fi network etc. etc. so I'm still happy even though they rob me each time I need to buy a set of cartridges.

    IPv4, IPv6, web admin GUI, JetDirect support, PCL, PS and PDF compatibility...

    The list goes on forever. :-D

    Best regards
    Zip

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  • From Ogg@21:4/106.21 to Al on Tue Aug 3 19:05:00 2021
    Hello Al!

    ** On Tuesday 03.08.21 - 12:51, Al wrote to Zip:

    Later on I switched to laser printers, but I'm now back to
    inkjets again (it was too cheap to resist -- the actual
    printer, that is, not the cartridges -- they know how to
    take your money :-D).

    I still have an Epson Stylus PHOTO/RX500 here. It's a
    pretty good printer as I recall but I haven't put any new
    cartidges in it for years. It's just too expensive.

    If I can't view something on the web or save a local copy
    as PDF or so, I just live without it.

    You should be able to find a nice monochrome (ie. black only)
    laser printer that you could use for things like that.

    I have an HP P1005 that I purchased around 2008. Never a
    problem. I'm only on my 2nd toner - and I think I've printed a
    lot over the years.

    I have an HP CP2020 (colour) at my shop, purchased around 2006.
    It's still operating like a charm. Quality is superb.

    I think laser printers provide less mechanical/ink issues and
    offer the best value.

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  • From Arelor@21:2/138 to poindexter FORTRAN on Tue Aug 3 18:16:54 2021
    Re: PC LOAD LETTER
    By: poindexter FORTRAN to All on Mon Aug 02 2021 06:54 pm

    My inkjet printer has started power cycling every 10 minutes. I hear it beep, then the paper tray roller spins to engage the paper, then it makes some crunking noises, then goes quiet. For the next 10 minutes.

    I'm going to fix it with a ball-peen hammer if this keeps up.


    ... Simply a matter of work

    I had a laser printer here try to take 20 sheets at once and choke on them this very morning. The header got dislodged and everything and the model is not made to be easy to open up for fixing.

    Fortunately, my Engineering Degree confers me the ability to disassemble printers and reassemble them into a working state. In fact, my Engineering Degree is awesome because it also gives me the power determinate if a barn is going to collapse due to a structural pathology, to fix the electronics of swimming pools and harvest watering systems, and to kick a night
    party's illumination into functioning after half of it burns*. Now, if it confered me the power of getting an Engineering job better than selling bars of soap online, the Degree would actually rock.

    * Too bad there were no girls at that party. As things stand, I became the
    hero for a bunch of beer soaked IT dudes, which is better than nothing, but still suboptimal.


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  • From Arelor@21:2/138 to Zip on Tue Aug 3 18:18:42 2021
    Re: Re: PC LOAD LETTER
    By: Zip to poindexter FORTRAN on Tue Aug 03 2021 09:34 pm

    Hello poindexter FORTRAN!

    Oh, what a nice subject line -- If I could count the number of times I saw t message on old HP LaserJet 4s... :-D

    On 02 Aug 2021, poindexter FORTRAN said the following...
    My inkjet printer has started power cycling every 10 minutes. I hear it beep, then the paper tray roller spins to engage the paper, then it makes some crunking noises, then goes quiet. For the next 10 minutes.

    I'm going to fix it with a ball-peen hammer if this keeps up.

    :-O

    Speaking of crunking noises... My old HP DeskJet 540 that I had once upon a time sometimes (more and more often) made a *terrible* noise when feeding pa so that one literally jumped off one's chair... Something with the cogs I think. (But actually a very nice printer otherwise.)

    Later on I switched to laser printers, but I'm now back to inkjets again (it was too cheap to resist -- the actual printer, that is, not the cartridges - they know how to take your money :-D).

    "WARMING UP"

    Best regards
    Zip

    I don't think I am going back to inkjets anymore. If you do anything beyond trivial printing, the ink costs add up so badly that by the end of the year you could buy a laser printer for the price of all the ink you purchase.

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  • From Warpslide@21:3/110 to Zip on Tue Aug 3 20:27:24 2021
    On 03 Aug 2021, Zip said the following...

    Speaking of crunking noises... My old HP DeskJet 540 that I had once
    upon a time sometimes (more and more often) made a *terrible* noise when feeding paper so that one literally jumped off one's chair... Something with the cogs I think. (But actually a very nice printer otherwise.)

    Back when I still lived at home, I had the computer I ran the BBS off of in my room and the "family" computer was on the other side of the wall in the kitchen. We had 10base2 network cards in each (mostly so I could play age of empires with either my Mom or Sister) over the network, but it also allowed me use the dot matrix printer that was attached to the family computer.

    One day I was doing something on my computer that I wanted to print, so I sent the job and as expected the printer sprang to life and started printing, as soon as it did my Mom let out a scream and jumped out of the chair.

    Teenage Jay thought that was hilarious, but my Mom less so... lol


    Jay

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  • From Zip@21:1/202 to Arelor on Wed Aug 4 09:27:56 2021
    Hello Arelor!

    On 03 Aug 2021, Arelor said the following...

    *LOL*

    half of it burns*. Now, if it confered me the power of getting an Engineering job better than selling bars of soap online, the Degree
    would actually rock.

    Better than nothing, for sure!
    Everyone needs soap!

    * Too bad there were no girls at that party. As things stand, I became
    the hero for a bunch of beer soaked IT dudes, which is better than nothing, but still suboptimal.

    :-D

    Best regards
    Zip

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  • From Zip@21:1/202 to Arelor on Wed Aug 4 09:30:46 2021
    Hello Arelor!

    On 03 Aug 2021, Arelor said the following...
    I don't think I am going back to inkjets anymore. If you do anything beyond trivial printing, the ink costs add up so badly that by the end
    of the year you could buy a laser printer for the price of all the ink
    you purchase.

    That's true... But at the time of purchase, it feels like a bargain. :-)

    Actually, some other aspects influenced my purchase, too. The ability to place it on a pre-existing :) small dresser that the old printer was on, as
    this apartment isn't very large... The color lasers were rather bulky, at least back then.

    Best regards
    Zip

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  • From Zip@21:1/202 to Warpslide on Wed Aug 4 09:46:42 2021
    Hello Warpslide!

    On 03 Aug 2021, Warpslide said the following...
    One day I was doing something on my computer that I wanted to print, so
    I sent the job and as expected the printer sprang to life and started printing, as soon as it did my Mom let out a scream and jumped out of
    the chair.

    *lol*

    I once had an OKI Microline 93 dot matrix printer which was so fast that when paper jammed, you had to run (kind of). It also made a lot of noise, especially when jamming. :)

    But, great printers... And I see that dot matrix printers are still on the market. That's cool. :)

    Best regards
    Zip

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  • From acn@21:3/127.1 to Zip on Wed Aug 4 14:57:00 2021
    Am 03.08.21 schrieb Zip@21:1/202 in FSX_GEN:

    Hallo Zip,

    Oh, what a nice subject line -- If I could count the number of times I saw that message on old HP LaserJet 4s... :-D

    Oh yes, those were great printers!

    When reading this thread, I remembered that I never bought a new printer
    in my life, I always got second-hand ones - except my very first one.

    My "printer history" is:

    - Epson LX-400, which I got new in the early 90s. Nice standard 9-pin dot- matrix printer. With good drivers (ie. not Windows), it even had a really good print quality - although very slow.

    - A wide Fujitsu DL...something 24-pin dot matrix printer. I don't
    remember what happened to this one. I remember that I once printed the manpage of "AfterStep" and the manuals of CrossPoint (XP) and
    CrossSecretary (a tool for XP) on it. It was placed on a small table which began shaking when the printer was printing :)

    - LaserJet IIID which I've added a TokenRing print server to. :)
    I've used this one quite some time, but then it broke and I as well as a repair shop couldn't repair it. So I replaced it with a...

    - LaserJet 5M. A great machine, built like a tank :) I've maxed it out
    with a second paper feeder, memory, (ethernet) print server ... :)
    And it understood PostScript :)

    But then we needed a color printer, and as we did not need so many
    printers, we sold it and bought a second hand...

    - Lexmark X736de. It also has a print server, but is a "all-in-one" device with a scanner (incl. paper feeder). The scanner part will send PDFs as emails or puts them on a FTP server :)
    And the print server even still understands IPX and can be connected to my NetWare server :)

    Regards,
    Anna

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  • From Zip@21:1/202 to acn on Wed Aug 4 15:47:28 2021
    Hello Anna!

    On 04 Aug 2021, acn said the following...
    - A wide Fujitsu DL...something 24-pin dot matrix printer. I don't remember what happened to this one. I remember that I once printed the manpage of "AfterStep" and the manuals of CrossPoint (XP) and CrossSecretary (a tool for XP) on it. It was placed on a small table
    which began shaking when the printer was printing :)

    Ah, yes -- my inkjet actually rocks the table quite badly if I don't put it in "quiet" mode (which I have done, to keep the table/dresser from falling apart). :-D

    - LaserJet IIID which I've added a TokenRing print server to. :)

    Never had the chance of experimenting with Token Ring but heard it was pretty nice...

    - LaserJet 5M. A great machine, built like a tank :) I've maxed it out with a second paper feeder, memory, (ethernet) print server ... :)
    And it understood PostScript :)

    Yes, those were very nice -- we had a bunch of those at the university where I studied. Although in my experience the duplex units had a habit of double-feeding paper a little now and then. Might have been the paper, or humidity, of course...

    - Lexmark X736de. It also has a print server, but is a "all-in-one"
    device with a scanner (incl. paper feeder). The scanner part will send PDFs as emails or puts them on a FTP server :)

    That's nice! My MFP (a Canon MAXIFY Business MB5150) can e-mail or store scans and faxes as PDFs on an SMB share -- although they only implement SMBv1. :-O

    And the print server even still understands IPX and can be connected to
    my NetWare server :)

    That's an added bonus. :)

    Best regards
    Zip

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  • From acn@21:3/127.1 to Zip on Thu Aug 5 16:32:00 2021
    Am 04.08.21 schrieb Zip@21:1/202 in FSX_GEN:

    Hallo Zip,

    Ah, yes -- my inkjet actually rocks the table quite badly if I don't put it in "quiet" mode (which I have done, to keep the table/dresser from falling apart). :-D

    Oh wow, I haven't seen this with inkjet printers.

    Never had the chance of experimenting with Token Ring but heard it was pretty nice...

    Yes, it's a nice networking system. But as with so many technologies: the winner isn't always the best, but the cheapest or the one with best marketing.
    And as of today, with intelligent switches in ethernet, ethernet doesn't
    lag behind any longer :)

    [LaserJet 5M]
    Yes, those were very nice -- we had a bunch of those at the university
    where I studied. Although in my experience the duplex units had a habit of double-feeding paper a little now and then. Might have been the paper, or humidity, of course...

    I don't remember it exactly, but I think I also had some problems there,
    too. And I think I've also replaced some rollers once. But I don't
    remember if they were in the duplex unit or in the main paper feeder...

    - Lexmark X736de. It also has a print server, but is a "all-in-one"
    device with a scanner (incl. paper feeder). The scanner part will send ac>> PDFs as emails or puts them on a FTP server :)

    That's nice! My MFP (a Canon MAXIFY Business MB5150) can e-mail or store scans and faxes as PDFs on an SMB share -- although they only implement SMBv1. :-O

    I guess SMB would also be possible here. The Lexmark can also handle
    faxes, but I only use it for sending faxes, but not very often :)
    For receiving faxes, my DSL router (AVM FritzBox) has one phone number configured and the faxes get sent to me as PDFs via email.

    And the print server even still understands IPX and can be connected to ac>> my NetWare server :)

    That's an added bonus. :)

    Yep :) It was quite nice to get a Windows 98 printer test page which was printed in a VM which was connected to my NetWare server via IPX which in turn sent the printout via IPX to the printer :)

    Regards,
    Anna

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  • From Zip@21:1/202 to acn on Thu Aug 5 16:53:28 2021
    Hello Anna!

    On 05 Aug 2021, acn said the following...
    I guess SMB would also be possible here. The Lexmark can also handle faxes, but I only use it for sending faxes, but not very often :)

    :-D

    For receiving faxes, my DSL router (AVM FritzBox) has one phone number configured and the faxes get sent to me as PDFs via email.

    Hmm, is that a built-in feature of the FritzBox or have you loaded some custom firmware into it? Sounds nice!

    Yep :) It was quite nice to get a Windows 98 printer test page which was printed in a VM which was connected to my NetWare server via IPX which
    in turn sent the printout via IPX to the printer :)

    Ahh, the daisy-chains of communication. :)

    Best regards
    Zip

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  • From poindexter FORTRAN@21:4/122 to Zip on Wed Aug 4 07:02:00 2021
    Zip wrote to poindexter FORTRAN <=-

    Later on I switched to laser printers, but I'm now back to inkjets
    again (it was too cheap to resist -- the actual printer, that is, not
    the cartridges -- they know how to take your money :-D).

    I want to keep this printer around, because a) it was free, and b) I can buy
    a 4-pack of ink (CYMB + a big pigment ink tank for black and white) for
    around $11 on Amazon.


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  • From Zip@21:1/202 to poindexter FORTRAN on Thu Aug 5 20:05:44 2021
    Hello poindexter FORTRAN!

    On 04 Aug 2021, poindexter FORTRAN said the following...
    I want to keep this printer around, because a) it was free, and b) I can buy a 4-pack of ink (CYMB + a big pigment ink tank for black and white) for around $11 on Amazon.

    Oh yes -- that's *very* nice!

    Best regards
    Zip

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  • From Adept@21:2/108 to Zip on Thu Aug 5 18:55:10 2021
    Later on I switched to laser printers, but I'm now back to inkjets again (it was too cheap to resist -- the actual printer, that is, not the cartridges -- they know how to take your money :-D).

    My experience with inkjet printers was that it cost about $10/page, because reliably the cartridge would be unusable by the time I needed to print again.

    Now I can't really imagine buying an ink jet printer. I think I'd be more likely to go looking for a dot matrix or even daisy-wheel printer.

    (other than a photo printer, which is kind of a different creature. Though
    I'd probably just continue to print those out at some commercial place.)

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  • From Adept@21:2/108 to Arelor on Thu Aug 5 18:58:14 2021
    I don't think I am going back to inkjets anymore. If you do anything beyond trivial printing, the ink costs add up so badly that by the end
    of the year you could buy a laser printer for the price of all the ink
    you purchase.

    And if you _do_ trivial printing, the cartridges are bad or empty by the time you use them again.

    I'm not really sure on the use case for ink jet printers, other than, "give
    'em the first taste for cheap, and after that they're hooked.".

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  • From Arelor@21:2/138 to Adept on Thu Aug 5 18:08:52 2021
    Re: Re: PC LOAD LETTER
    By: Adept to Arelor on Thu Aug 05 2021 06:58 pm

    I don't think I am going back to inkjets anymore. If you do anything beyond trivial printing, the ink costs add up so badly that by the end of the year you could buy a laser printer for the price of all the ink you purchase.

    And if you _do_ trivial printing, the cartridges are bad or empty by the tim you use them again.

    I'm not really sure on the use case for ink jet printers, other than, "give 'em the first taste for cheap, and after that they're hooked.".

    Something I have observed in my store is that consumers will most often take suboptimal order choices if the upfront costs are smaller. They'd rather buy a small flask of cream that costs 1 buck and lasts a week than a big one that costs 4 and lasts 2 months. And they will do even if they are regular consumers of it, therefore spending much more in the long run.

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  • From Adept@21:2/108 to Arelor on Thu Aug 5 23:28:40 2021
    Something I have observed in my store is that consumers will most often take suboptimal order choices if the upfront costs are smaller. They'd

    I know there are various issues with being poor, where you don't have the
    means to get the more expensive item, but need some version of the product.

    Certainly, there have been times with subscriptions or something where I
    didn't have the income at that point in time, or I would've gone for a longer version.

    But honestly, with buying a printer, if you can't afford the laser printer,
    I'd be inclined to just use a local print shop or something, and minimize printer usage anyway.

    rather buy a small flask of cream that costs 1 buck and lasts a week
    than a big one that costs 4 and lasts 2 months. And they will do even if

    That one does seem odd to me, unless that 3 EUR is a hardship, or they
    actively like the smaller version, for some reason.

    And you're talking about a cream you'd apply topically, rather than something you'd ingest, correct? Or, more what I'm getting at, that something will be just at good at 2 months.

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  • From Arelor@21:2/138 to Adept on Fri Aug 6 06:53:46 2021
    Re: Re: PC LOAD LETTER
    By: Adept to Arelor on Thu Aug 05 2021 11:28 pm

    rather buy a small flask of cream that costs 1 buck and lasts a week than a big one that costs 4 and lasts 2 months. And they will do even i

    That one does seem odd to me, unless that 3 EUR is a hardship, or they actively like the smaller version, for some reason.

    And you're talking about a cream you'd apply topically, rather than somethin you'd ingest, correct? Or, more what I'm getting at, that something will be just at good at 2 months.

    Exactly, I am talking about goods with no expiration date.

    Stuff most people can afford, really. I am not talking about things for which you cannot afford the cost-effective version.

    The salesmen from the labs completely agree with my appreciation. They sell much more of the small stuff than the big, cost-efficient versions, with differences meassured in orders of magniture in sale numbers.

    Maybe it is a Spanish thing and we are just stupid :-)

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  • From Ogg@21:4/106.21 to Arelor on Fri Aug 6 08:43:00 2021
    Hello Arelor!

    ** On Friday 06.08.21 - 06:53, Arelor wrote to Adept:

    And you're talking about a cream you'd apply topically, [...]

    Exactly, I am talking about goods with no expiration date.
    ^^^^^^^^^^^^^
    Loaded with formeldahyde? <g>


    The salesmen from the labs completely agree with my
    appreciation. They sell much more of the small stuff than
    the big, cost-efficient versions, withdifferences meassured
    in orders of magniture in sale numbers.

    Maybe people are using the stuff at much less frequent
    intervals than the typical expected usage, or using less of the
    product per application than you would expect?


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  • From Adept@21:2/108 to Arelor on Fri Aug 6 22:35:34 2021
    The salesmen from the labs completely agree with my appreciation. They sell much more of the small stuff than the big, cost-efficient versions, with differences meassured in orders of magniture in sale numbers.

    Maybe it is a Spanish thing and we are just stupid :-)

    Possibly, but it's super easy to be stupid in the other direction, too.

    E.g., if I buy a large bottle of something, but only ever end up using a bit
    of it, I'm wasting money, even if the smaller version was almost as expensive.

    And if I pay a teensy bit more to get a larger-sized item at a restaurant,
    I'm probably just fattening myself up when the smaller size would've been
    fine.

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  • From Arelor@21:2/138 to Ogg on Sat Aug 7 05:08:52 2021
    Re: PC LOAD LETTER
    By: Ogg to Arelor on Fri Aug 06 2021 08:43 am

    Maybe people are using the stuff at much less frequent
    intervals than the typical expected usage, or using less of the
    product per application than you would expect?

    Thare are some products that last much more than what you would think. For example, my bars of soap are so dense that you can use one for months and still be no close to run out of it.

    Not bad for soap worth 4 bucks the bar :-)

    However, I am not talking about it. I am talking about high rotation products such as edulcorants. People who likes their coffee with artificial sweeteners eat through saccarine and stevia blazzing fast. Yet they buy the small jar instead of the big, cost-efficient one, for example.

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  • From acn@21:3/127.1 to Zip on Fri Aug 13 10:15:00 2021
    Am 05.08.21 schrieb Zip@21:1/202 in FSX_GEN:

    Hallo Zip,

    For receiving faxes, my DSL router (AVM FritzBox) has one phone number ac>> configured and the faxes get sent to me as PDFs via email.

    Hmm, is that a built-in feature of the FritzBox or have you loaded some custom firmware into it? Sounds nice!

    No, that's a standard option. You have to assign a phone number to it and enter an email address where the faxes have to go. That's it, basically.
    It's similar to adding an 'answering machine'.

    Sending faxes is also possible, via the web UI (I don't know if it accepts PDF files, as I don't use it for sending faxes) and it's also possible via
    a virtual fax printer. "Roger Router" is a linux program that includes a virtual CUPS printer :)

    Yep :) It was quite nice to get a Windows 98 printer test page which was ac>> printed in a VM which was connected to my NetWare server via IPX which ac>> in turn sent the printout via IPX to the printer :)

    Ahh, the daisy-chains of communication. :)

    Yep :)

    Regards,
    Anna

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  • From Zip@21:1/202 to acn on Fri Aug 13 10:38:04 2021
    Hello Anna!

    On 13 Aug 2021, acn said the following...
    No, that's a standard option. You have to assign a phone number to it
    and enter an email address where the faxes have to go. That's it, basically. It's similar to adding an 'answering machine'.

    That's nice! And user-friendly. (Aren't the Fritz! appliances among the most popular in Germany and its surroundings? I see they have routers, wireless extenders, DECT phones and more...)

    Best regards
    Zip

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  • From Oli@21:3/102 to Zip on Fri Aug 13 13:37:46 2021
    Zip wrote (2021-08-13):

    Hello Anna!

    On 13 Aug 2021, acn said the following...
    No, that's a standard option. You have to assign a phone number to
    it and enter an email address where the faxes have to go. That's
    it, basically. It's similar to adding an 'answering machine'.

    That's nice! And user-friendly. (Aren't the Fritz! appliances among the most popular in Germany and its surroundings? I see they have routers, wireless extenders, DECT phones and more...)

    I believe they are THE most used and popular broadband / Wifi / VoIP routers in Germany. If you buy them new they are way too expensive, but most broadband providers give you one for free (or cheap) with a new contract. Best thing is the support. AVM usually fix security relevant bugs not only for the recent product line, but for old devices too.

    Btw, there was a time when you could receive Voice, Data (BBS) and Fax calls on the same phone number (with ISDN). Nowadays I wonder why we do have phone numbers at all. It's SIP anyway.

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  • From Zip@21:1/202 to Oli on Fri Aug 13 15:40:36 2021
    Hello Oli!

    On 13 Aug 2021, Oli said the following...
    contract. Best thing is the support. AVM usually fix security relevant bugs not only for the recent product line, but for old devices too.

    Sounds like a good vendor!

    Btw, there was a time when you could receive Voice, Data (BBS) and Fax calls on the same phone number (with ISDN). Nowadays I wonder why we do

    Yes, ISDN was ahead of its time... Very nice technology. Although I never had it here.

    calls on the same phone number (with ISDN). Nowadays I wonder why we do have phone numbers at all. It's SIP anyway.

    Yep... And many ISPs here refuse to provide the SIP details, should one want to replace their routers with other equipment... :-/

    Best regards
    Zip

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  • From Spectre@21:3/101 to Zip on Sun Aug 15 11:10:00 2021
    Btw, there was a time when you could receive Voice, Data (BBS) and Fax calls on the same phone number (with ISDN). Nowadays I wonder why we do

    Yes, ISDN was ahead of its time... Very nice technology. Although I never had it here.

    ISDN was hiddeously expensive here.. Telescum (Telecom Australia, Govt run) was more interested in selling phone lines than data to residents. There was a couple of places I worked that had ISDN from site to site which was nice. They didn't do anything with it at all until after ADSL/DSL became a thing and by then it was obsolete.

    Spec


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  • From Oli@21:3/102 to Spectre on Sun Aug 15 09:35:46 2021
    Spectre wrote (2021-08-15):

    Btw, there was a time when you could receive Voice, Data (BBS) and
    Fax calls on the same phone number (with ISDN). Nowadays I wonder
    why we do

    Yes, ISDN was ahead of its time... Very nice technology. Although I
    never had it here.

    ISDN was hiddeously expensive here.. Telescum (Telecom Australia, Govt
    run) was more interested in selling phone lines than data to residents. There was a couple of places I worked that had ISDN from site to site
    which was nice. They didn't do anything with it at all until after
    ADSL/DSL became a thing and by then it was obsolete.

    It was only cheap in Germany, because there was the believe (at Deutsche Bundespost / Telekom) that ATM networks and Broadband ISDN were the future:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Broadband_Integrated_Services_Digital_Network https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Asynchronous_Transfer_Mode

    Maybe others already knew that TCP/IP will make it obsolete.

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  • From acn@21:3/127.1 to Zip on Tue Aug 17 11:25:00 2021
    Am 13.08.21 schrieb Zip@21:1/202 in FSX_GEN:

    Hallo Zip,

    No, that's a standard option. You have to assign a phone number to it
    and enter an email address where the faxes have to go. That's it,
    basically. It's similar to adding an 'answering machine'.

    That's nice! And user-friendly. (Aren't the Fritz! appliances among the
    most popular in Germany and its surroundings? I see they have routers, wireless extenders, DECT phones and more...)

    Yes, they are. They have a pretty good reputation for being reliable and
    do work quite well here.
    It's also nice that using my FritzBox for telephony, I have a VoIP
    connection to my ISP/telephone provider and the FritzBox is my base
    station for DECT phones, analog phones (eg. the Lexmark printer as a fax machine) and even ISDN devices (eg. an old ISDN phone that I can use with different phone numbers for dial-in/dial-out here on my desk).

    Regards,
    Anna

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  • From acn@21:3/127.1 to Oli on Tue Aug 17 11:28:00 2021
    Am 13.08.21 schrieb Oli@21:3/102 in FSX_GEN:

    Hallo Oli,

    I believe they are THE most used and popular broadband / Wifi / VoIP
    routers in Germany. If you buy them new they are way too expensive, but
    most broadband providers give you one for free (or cheap) with a new contract.

    The only problem is that some providers enforce their 'branding' on the devices which disable some functions or only enable them if you are
    willing to pay extra money.
    Also, updates for branded boxes often arrive later than for the standard devices.
    That's why I bought my 7590 new and hope that it will last for a while :)

    Best thing is the support. AVM usually fix security relevant bugs
    not only for the recent product line, but for old devices too.

    Yes, that's true :)

    Anna

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