Hi

Does anyone here use XMPP / Jabber?

I set up a XMPP server, and have an account on it, but no contacts lol

I had this idea of getting rid of facebook, but I like the messenger..
one time I think facebook messenger was XMPP based, but not anymore.

Andrew


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Re: XMPP
By: apam to All on Sun Jan 10 2021 05:23 pm

Hi

Does anyone here use XMPP / Jabber?

I set up a XMPP server, and have an account on it, but no contacts lol

I had this idea of getting rid of facebook, but I like the messenger..
one time I think facebook messenger was XMPP based, but not anymore.

Andrew

I used XMPP back in the day, when there was no Signal Messenger for Android phones.

XMPP is ok but it runs into lots of interoperatibility issues. Most people I used to XMPP with have either moved back to IRC or migrated to Signal Messenger.

Which is your XMPP server and how did you implement it?

Oh, ow I think about it, the Citadel BBS package comes with an XMPP service out of the box

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XMPP is ok but it runs into lots of interoperatibility issues. Most
people I
used to XMPP with have either moved back to IRC or migrated to Signal Messenger.

How so? Do you mean XMPP servers talking to other XMPP servers? or
Gateways for talking to other services like MSN, ICQ, AIM etc?

I hadn't heard of signal, but it looks like yet another protocol, like telegram, wired, keybase etc... can you run your own signal server? do
they connect to each other?

Which is your XMPP server and how did you implement it?

I've not written a server, but am using Prosody. I have used openfire & ejabberd in the past (when I used it with the bbs).

Andrew


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Am 10.01.21 schrieb apam@21:1/182 in FSX_GEN:

Hallo apam,

Does anyone here use XMPP / Jabber?

I've used XMPP/Jabber in the past but the clients (and/or the protocol) lacked some features that I thought were elementary to a messanger.
I had problems when using it from different devices and synchronizing the conversations.
I hope that this isn't a problem anymore...

Instead of XMPP, I switched to Matrix, which I think is a reasonable successor. It also features sending pictures and other media without any hassle and has easy-to-understand "rooms", instead of the XMPP MUD (?) concept that I never understood :)
Find me at @acn:imzadi.de :)

Regards,
Anna

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Re: XMPP
By: apam to Arelor on Sun Jan 10 2021 10:25 pm

XMPP is ok but it runs into lots of interoperatibility issues. Most people I
used to XMPP with have either moved back to IRC or migrated to Signal Messenger.

How so? Do you mean XMPP servers talking to other XMPP servers? or
Gateways for talking to other services like MSN, ICQ, AIM etc?

No, I mean interoperatibility problems between servers and clients.

For example, you may download an XMPP client for your phone with a cool list of features, and then try to send a file to somebody else, and then discover there is a problem because your server, the server the recipient uses, or his client, use a different set of XMPP extensions than you or whatever.

I mean, the protocol is perfectly usable but in this day and age of dumb users who have no clue, the lack of consistency is a bit of an user experience drawback.

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apam wrote to All <=-

Does anyone here use XMPP / Jabber?

Not in many years. Over 10 I'm sure.

I had this idea of getting rid of facebook, but I like the messenger..

If you give up facebook how will you see the memes!?!? It's the only
reason I still have it. (and messenger for talking to grandson and
various other people)

Shawn

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Instead of XMPP, I switched to Matrix, which I think is a reasonable

I had a look at that, I installed a home server and think I have it set
up.

@apam:talismanbbs.com

Not sure if I have it right or not..

Andrew


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Re: Re: XMPP
By: Tiny to apam on Sun Jan 10 2021 12:45 pm

apam wrote to All <=-

Does anyone here use XMPP / Jabber?

Not in many years. Over 10 I'm sure.

I had this idea of getting rid of facebook, but I like the messenger..

If you give up facebook how will you see the memes!?!? It's the only
reason I still have it. (and messenger for talking to grandson and
various other people)

Shawn

... 82.6% of statistics are wrong...

I think here in Spain nearly nobody uses Facebook's Messenger, which is why Facebook ended up purchasing WhatsApp.

I don't like Silos myself.

Regarding a question posted before, Signal was designed to be federated but the main network is no longer federating because consistency between instances was a pain to keep. And I also suspect they like being a Silo.

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Hello acn!

** On Sunday 10.01.21 - 12:57, acn wrote to apam:

Instead of XMPP, I switched to Matrix, which I think is a reasonable successor. It also features sending pictures and other media without any hassle and has easy-to-understand "rooms", instead of the XMPP MUD (?) concept that I never understood :)
Find me at @acn:imzadi.de :)

Matrix sounds very much like Telegram.

Poo. :( Matrix doesn't seem to work from my beloved Thinkpad
T60 w/WinXP.



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Not anymore, I used to back in 200ish, even wrote lots of software to do things on top of XMPP at that time.



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Am 10.01.21 schrieb Ogg@21:4/106.21 in FSX_GEN:

Hallo Ogg,

Instead of XMPP, I switched to Matrix, which I think is a reasonable
successor. It also features sending pictures and other media without any a>> hassle and has easy-to-understand "rooms", instead of the XMPP MUD (?)
concept that I never understood :)
Find me at @acn:imzadi.de :)

Matrix sounds very much like Telegram.

But it isn't. While Telegram is a system with a central server and an
owner, everyone can set up its own Matrix server (like I did) and the
servers can communicate with each other - like E-Mail.

Poo. :( Matrix doesn't seem to work from my beloved Thinkpad
T60 w/WinXP.

Matrix clients are available for most systems and also work in browsers,
so I guess it should work on XP.
Maybe a textmode client?

Regards,
Anna

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Am 10.01.21 schrieb apam@21:1/182 in FSX_GEN:

Hallo apam,

Instead of XMPP, I switched to Matrix, which I think is a reasonable

I had a look at that, I installed a home server and think I have it set
up.

@apam:talismanbbs.com

Not sure if I have it right or not..

I just tried to contact you directly, but a search for that handle did not work...

Anna

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Ogg wrote to acn <=-

Poo. :( Matrix doesn't seem to work from my beloved Thinkpad
T60 w/WinXP.

I can't stress enough that Lubuntu on a T60 is a killer combination. I used
it on my T42 and T60 for some time, and it gave them both a new lease on
life.

Small-ish SSDs are going for cheap, even though the T60 has a sorta wonky
PATA to SATA bridge that limits the max speed of SATA drives, it makes a big difference. I'm seeing 256GB SSDs on Amazon for under $30.


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apam wrote to All <=-

I set up a XMPP server, and have an account on it, but no contacts lol

I had this idea of getting rid of facebook, but I like the messenger..
one time I think facebook messenger was XMPP based, but not anymore.

I just re-enabled my web host's XMPP server, I'm on as kweiske@kataan.org.
For how long, I don't know. New users can't configure Jabber, but legacy
users like me can get to the control panel for it.

Man, Pidgin looks like a time warp from the 2000s. Options for AIM, SILC, Google Talk and Groupwise?





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Hello poindexter!

** On Sunday 10.01.21 - 10:46, poindexter FORTRAN wrote to Ogg:

Poo. :( Matrix doesn't seem to work from my beloved
Thinkpad T60 w/WinXP.

I can't stress enough that Lubuntu on a T60 is a killer
combination. I used it on my T42 and T60 for some time, and
it gave them both a new lease on life.

Yep.. I remember someone mentioning that combination. Myself, I
would prefer Mint (which I have tested with a live-boot) ..and
it was amazing.

But I can't really switch away from Windows. I need to use
Access. And my pc came partitioned into C: and H: which
complicates things if I wanted dual boot to work.

Small-ish SSDs are going for cheap, even though the T60 has
a sorta wonky PATA to SATA bridge that limits the max speed
of SATA drives, it makes a big difference. I'm seeing 256GB
SSDs on Amazon for under $30.

Yes.. I've heard of the PATA/SATA thing, where select SDDs would
perform best. But my HDD is close to the 240GB size (and only
60GB free). Would be nice to atleast double the base. SDD would
also allow the pc to run cooler and improve battery life when
necessary.



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I just tried to contact you directly, but a search for that handle did
not
work...

I think I've fixed it now, I had the server - server port firewalled off
(I accidently unfirewalled the wrong port oops!)

Sorry if you get a whole lot of invitations to chat.. I'm still figuring
this thing out :)

Andrew


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Man, Pidgin looks like a time warp from the 2000s. Options for AIM,
SILC,
Google Talk and Groupwise?

Yeah, I quiet like it. It's easy to understand.

I switched off XMPP for now, as I'm going to try this matrix chat instead.

Andrew


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Re: Re: XMPP
By: apam to acn on Sun Jan 10 2021 11:54 pm

I had a look at that, I installed a home server and think I have it set up.
@apam:talismanbbs.com

I have matrix as well.

You can connect to my #bbs:matrix.leenooks.net, or me @deon:matrix.leenooks.net

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Re: Matrix
By: Ogg to acn on Sun Jan 10 2021 09:47 am

Poo. :( Matrix doesn't seem to work from my beloved Thinkpad
T60 w/WinXP.

You can use the web client at element.io

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Hello acn!

** On Sunday 10.01.21 - 18:19, acn wrote to Ogg:

Matrix sounds very much like Telegram.

But it isn't. While Telegram is a system with a central
server and an owner, everyone can set up its own Matrix
server (like I did) and the servers can communicate with
each other - like E-Mail.

Ah.. That's like keybase.io as well?

Poo. :( Matrix doesn't seem to work from my beloved
Thinkpad T60 w/WinXP.

Matrix clients are available for most systems and also work
in browsers, so I guess it should work on XP. Maybe a
textmode client?

So.. anyone can operate any of the Matrix clients and reach your
server?

Then, it sounds very much like Fidonet! :D



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Hello deon!

** On Monday 11.01.21 - 16:12, deon wrote to Ogg:

Poo. :( Matrix doesn't seem to work from my beloved Thinkpad
T60 w/WinXP.

You can use the web client at element.io
...ëîåï

Element.io doesn't like FF or Opera. I've gone as far as I could
in versions with both wrt WinXP.

Maybe it is time to drag out the T540 w/Win7 instead and operate
the T60 and T540 side by side gonzo style.


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apam wrote (2021-01-10):

Hi

Does anyone here use XMPP / Jabber?

We used to use it in a non-profit org. Worked pretty well with Conversations on Android (and not so well on iOS). But no private contacts that use XMPP anymore. I guess everyone is using Whatsapp/Telegram/Signal.

I set up a XMPP server, and have an account on it, but no contacts lol

I had this idea of getting rid of facebook, but I like the messenger..
one time I think facebook messenger was XMPP based, but not anymore.

That was some years ago. Does anyone remember Google Wave?

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apam wrote (2021-01-10):

I hadn't heard of signal, but it looks like yet another protocol, like telegram, wired, keybase etc...

it's basically like whatsapp, but better privacy and run by non-profit foundation.
(Signal introduced the end to end encryption that is used by WhatsApp, XMPP and MAtrix).

can you run your own signal server?

it's open source, but ...

do they connect to each other?

.... they cannot. Federating services have all kinds of problems. They haven't been very successful in the past.

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acn wrote (2021-01-10):

Instead of XMPP, I switched to Matrix, which I think is a reasonable successor. It also features sending pictures and other media without any hassle and has easy-to-understand "rooms", instead of the XMPP MUD (?) concept that I never understood :)

Yes, XMPP feels a bit like patchwork (especially when using different clients). But what is not understandable with MUC (multi user chat)? Is there much difference to Matrix rooms (from a users perspective)? What client did you use?

I don't think that Matrix is a 'successor'. It's quite different and it's more like NNTP than XMPP. Did they managed to make messages deletable? For years Matrix was slow and important stuff was still missing. They always wanted to release an alternative implementation of the server, but no other server ever was usable for production. At some point I just gave up on Matrix.

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Re: XMPP
By: Oli to apam on Mon Jan 11 2021 03:01 pm

(Signal introduced the end to end encryption that is used by WhatsApp, XMPP MAtrix).

OTR encryption became popular in the XMPP ecosystem in the first place, THEN Signal adapted it to their own system.

Not that I think you'd recognize OTR in Signal's custom system.


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Arelor wrote (2021-01-11):

(Signal introduced the end to end encryption that is used by
WhatsApp, XMPP MAtrix).

OTR encryption became popular in the XMPP ecosystem in the first place, THEN Signal adapted it to their own system.

Not that I think you'd recognize OTR in Signal's custom system.

I meant the newer OMEMO in XMPP, which uses the Double Ratchet algorithm introduced by Signal. But you are right, OTR was there long before Signal existed and was mainly used with XMPP (although it is independent from the messaging protocol).

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Am 11.01.21 schrieb apam@21:1/182 in FSX_GEN:

Hallo apam,

I think I've fixed it now, I had the server - server port firewalled off
(I accidently unfirewalled the wrong port oops!)

Sorry if you get a whole lot of invitations to chat.. I'm still figuring this thing out :)

No problem :)

Btw, deon has set up a BBS talk room, although it's a little quiet: #bbs:matrix.leenooks.net

Anna

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Am 10.01.21 schrieb Ogg@21:4/106.21 in FSX_GEN:

Hallo Ogg,

Matrix clients are available for most systems and also work
in browsers, so I guess it should work on XP. Maybe a
textmode client?

So.. anyone can operate any of the Matrix clients and reach your
server?
Then, it sounds very much like Fidonet! :D

Normally you can use any client and connect to any server - as long as you have an account on this server.
So you can e.g. you the client on element.io and connect to my server or
your own.

Regards,
Anna

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Am 11.01.21 schrieb Oli@21:3/102 in FSX_GEN:

Hallo Oli,

Yes, XMPP feels a bit like patchwork (especially when using different clients). But what is not understandable with MUC (multi user chat)? Is there much difference to Matrix rooms (from a users perspective)? What client did you use?

My experience is many years old, but I did not succeed in creating a room
and adding people to it.
I don't remember what client I've used, sorry.
In Matrix, or more specifically in Element, it's quite easy for me...

I don't think that Matrix is a 'successor'.

As it is working as a messenger with direct messages and rooms, it is for
me.

It's quite different and it's more like NNTP than XMPP.
Did they managed to make messages deletable?

Yes, messages can be deleted now.

For years Matrix was slow and important stuff was still missing. They
always wanted to release an alternative implementation of the server,
but no other server ever was usable for production. At some point I
just gave up on Matrix.

Understandable. Then I would suggest to try it again :)
For me, Synapse is working quite good as a server on my vServer.
And Element as a client is also nice and works well on my Android phone,
on my Linux desktop and as a web application.
Other clients and servers might not be up to this point, but it is a
usable setup in my opinion. (and in my opinion with less problems than I
had with Jabber)

Regards,
Anna

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Re: Matrix
By: Ogg to deon on Mon Jan 11 2021 05:10 am

Element.io doesn't like FF or Opera. I've gone as far as I could
in versions with both wrt WinXP.

Oh. Ive used Firefox, but I'm guessing the issue is the age of the browser on XP?

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Re: Matrix
By: Ogg to acn on Sun Jan 10 2021 11:00 pm

So.. anyone can operate any of the Matrix clients and reach your
server?

Yes, you can use any client, on any device, and connect to any matrix instance and reach anybody who has federation turned on and that server can be connected by the server you are connected to.

My server is public if you want to play, you'll find a #bbs:matrix.leenooks.net room

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Btw, deon has set up a BBS talk room, although it's a little quiet: #bbs:matrix.leenooks.net

Hmm, I just tried to join the channel but it said failed internal server
error. :/

Andrew

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Re: Re: XMPP
By: apam to acn on Tue Jan 12 2021 10:16 am

Btw, deon has set up a BBS talk room, although it's a little quiet: #bbs:matrix.leenooks.net

Hmm, I just tried to join the channel but it said failed internal server error. :/

Might be you?

I just connected from a ID that I have on matrix.org and I connected OK.

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Might be you?

I just connected from a ID that I have on matrix.org and I connected
OK.

It might be. I don't really know what I am doing. I managed to connect to
a room on matrix.org, but I put:

#bbs:matrix.leenooks.net

into the join room box, my home server logs say Response never recieved,
cancel error along with a python trace.

Andrew


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Re: Re: XMPP
By: apam to deon on Tue Jan 12 2021 12:44 pm

It might be. I don't really know what I am doing. I managed to connect to a room on matrix.org, but I put:
into the join room box, my home server logs say Response never recieved, cancel error along with a python trace.

Hmm... just to be sure it wasnt my server, I disconnected from a test room I have and then reconnected. IE:

Add Room -> Explore Public Rooms -> #test:matrix.leenooks.net and I rejoined.

You can try #test if you want...

I'll try and send you an invite and see if that helps a little...

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Re: Re: XMPP
By: deon to apam on Tue Jan 12 2021 04:44 pm

I'll try and send you an invite and see if that helps a little...

I tried an invite, and got a "following users may not exist" (you). Unable eto find profiles for the matrix ids.

It might be because your domain "talismanbbs.com" is answered by a webserver (not matrix).

Matrix uses https (port 443) and ssl 8448 (for federation) and both are answered by your BBS.

Hit my https://matrix.leenooks.net (and port 84448) and you'll see what I mean.

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I tried an invite, and got a "following users may not exist" (you).
Unable eto find profiles for the matrix ids.

It just started working. Did you do something?

Andrew


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Re: Re: XMPP
By: apam to deon on Tue Jan 12 2021 05:28 pm

Howdy,

It just started working. Did you do something?

Nope, done nothing...

I see your invite to me personally, but when I accept, it fails - and the log shows:

Failed to make_join via talismanbbs.com

I'm guessing that's because of what I mentioned before? https is answered by a web server, not matrix?

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I'm guessing that's because of what I mentioned before? https is
answered by a web server, not matrix?

It's proxied through apache, I did follow the instructions on the site
for that, but maybe I missed a step

Andrew


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I'm guessing that's because of what I mentioned before? https is
answered by a web server, not matrix?

I just set ProxyPreserveHost on in apache for the federation port.

I *think* it may have been that local addresses are on the synapse
blocklist and as the proxy request would have been from localhost...

Anyway, I created an account with matrix.org and it worked to chat
between the two, so here's hoping I fixed it.

Andrew


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Re: Re: XMPP
By: apam to deon on Tue Jan 12 2021 07:07 pm

I'm guessing that's because of what I mentioned before? https is
answered by a web server, not matrix?

It's proxied through apache, I did follow the instructions on the site
for that, but maybe I missed a step

Yup, OK, I used the API and it appears that your matrix is responding fine:

# curl https://talismanbbs.com/_matrix/client/versions {"versions":["r0.0.1","r0.1.0","r0.2.0","r0.3.0","r0.4.0","r0.5.0","r0.6.0"],"unstable_features":{"org.matrix.label_based_filteri ng":true,"org.matrix.e2e_cross_signing":true,"org.matrix.msc2432":true,"uk.half-shot.msc2666":true,"io.element.e2ee_forced.public ":false,"io.element.e2ee_forced.private":false,"io.element.e2ee_forced.trusted_private":false}}

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Hallo Anna!

acn wrote (2021-01-11):

My experience is many years old, but I did not succeed in creating a room and adding people to it.
I don't remember what client I've used, sorry.
In Matrix, or more specifically in Element, it's quite easy for me...

Maybe you should try XMPP again. With recent software it is much easier nowadays ;-P.

I don't think that Matrix is a 'successor'.

As it is working as a messenger with direct messages and rooms, it is for me.

Have you tried it on the phone? I wonder how well notifications work (Matrix client closed / as background process receiving messages).

For years Matrix was slow and important stuff was still missing. They
always wanted to release an alternative implementation of the server,
but no other server ever was usable for production. At some point I
just gave up on Matrix.

Understandable. Then I would suggest to try it again :)

Nobody I know uses it for direct messaging and chat rooms are fun, but also very distracting. I already quit XMPP MUC, Facebook, IRC, I don't think I risk another relapse. Thank god the traffic in FTNs is so tiny.

Maybe some day I'll try again.

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Am 13.01.21 schrieb Oli@21:3/102 in FSX_GEN:

Hallo Oli,

My experience is many years old, but I did not succeed in creating a room a>> and adding people to it.
I don't remember what client I've used, sorry.
In Matrix, or more specifically in Element, it's quite easy for me...

Maybe you should try XMPP again. With recent software it is much easier nowadays ;-P.

Maybe, but then there is the problem that I don't know anyone who is
actively using XMPP/Jabber anymore - but I have several groups in Matrix,
and at least one bot that I've connected to Matrix (who will tell me if someone logs into my BBS *g*).

As it is working as a messenger with direct messages and rooms, it is for a>> me.

Have you tried it on the phone? I wonder how well notifications work
(Matrix client closed / as background process receiving messages).

I'm using Element on my Pixel 3 and it seems to work fine, it is receiving messages and also sends notifications.

[Matrix]

Nobody I know uses it for direct messaging and chat rooms are fun, but also very distracting. I already quit XMPP MUC, Facebook, IRC, I don't think I risk another relapse. Thank god the traffic in FTNs is so tiny.

:)
Totally understandable.

Regards,
Anna

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Hello acn!

** On Sunday 10.01.21 - 18:19, acn wrote to Ogg:

Instead of XMPP, I switched to Matrix, which I think is a reasonable
successor. It also features sending pictures and other media without any
hassle and has easy-to-understand "rooms", instead of the XMPP MUD (?)
concept that I never understood :)
Find me at @acn:imzadi.de :)

I installed Element. @acn:imzadi.de is not found.

Matrix sounds very much like Telegram.

But it isn't. While Telegram is a system with a central server and an owner, everyone can set up its own Matrix server (like I did) and the servers can communicate with each other - like E-Mail.

Your @ string is not working. Does that mean your server is
offline?


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Am 25.03.21 schrieb Ogg@21:4/106.21 in FSX_GEN:

Hallo Ogg,

Find me at @acn:imzadi.de :)

I installed Element. @acn:imzadi.de is not found.

Oh?! Weird...

Your @ string is not working. Does that mean your server is
offline?

No, it is online... I have to check the configuration, but at least I'm
getting messages on some groups and also from my Synchronet bot.

I'll check it.

Regards,
Anna

--- OpenXP 5.0.49
* Origin: Imzadi Box Point (21:3/127.1)

Hello acn!

** On Sunday 10.01.21 - 18:19, acn wrote to Ogg:

Instead of XMPP, I switched to Matrix, which I think is a reasonable
successor. It also features sending pictures and other media without any
hassle and has easy-to-understand "rooms", instead of the XMPP MUD (?)
concept that I never understood :)
Find me at @acn:imzadi.de :)

I installed Element. @acn:imzadi.de is not found.

Matrix sounds very much like Telegram.

But it isn't. While Telegram is a system with a central server and an owner, everyone can set up its own Matrix server (like I did) and the servers can communicate with each other - like E-Mail.

Your @ string is not working. Does that mean your server is
offline?


--- OpenXP 5.0.49
* Origin: (} Pointy McPointFace (21:4/106.21)

Am 25.03.21 schrieb Ogg@21:4/106.21 in FSX_GEN:

Hallo Ogg,

Find me at @acn:imzadi.de :)

I installed Element. @acn:imzadi.de is not found.

Oh?! Weird...

Your @ string is not working. Does that mean your server is
offline?

No, it is online... I have to check the configuration, but at least I'm
getting messages on some groups and also from my Synchronet bot.

I'll check it.

Regards,
Anna

--- OpenXP 5.0.49
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Hi

Does anyone here use XMPP / Jabber?

I set up a XMPP server, and have an account on it, but no contacts lol

I had this idea of getting rid of facebook, but I like the messenger..
one time I think facebook messenger was XMPP based, but not anymore.

Andrew


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Re: XMPP
By: apam to All on Sun Jan 10 2021 05:23 pm

Hi

Does anyone here use XMPP / Jabber?

I set up a XMPP server, and have an account on it, but no contacts lol

I had this idea of getting rid of facebook, but I like the messenger..
one time I think facebook messenger was XMPP based, but not anymore.

Andrew

I used XMPP back in the day, when there was no Signal Messenger for Android phones.

XMPP is ok but it runs into lots of interoperatibility issues. Most people I used to XMPP with have either moved back to IRC or migrated to Signal Messenger.

Which is your XMPP server and how did you implement it?

Oh, ow I think about it, the Citadel BBS package comes with an XMPP service out of the box

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XMPP is ok but it runs into lots of interoperatibility issues. Most
people I
used to XMPP with have either moved back to IRC or migrated to Signal Messenger.

How so? Do you mean XMPP servers talking to other XMPP servers? or
Gateways for talking to other services like MSN, ICQ, AIM etc?

I hadn't heard of signal, but it looks like yet another protocol, like telegram, wired, keybase etc... can you run your own signal server? do
they connect to each other?

Which is your XMPP server and how did you implement it?

I've not written a server, but am using Prosody. I have used openfire & ejabberd in the past (when I used it with the bbs).

Andrew


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Am 10.01.21 schrieb apam@21:1/182 in FSX_GEN:

Hallo apam,

Does anyone here use XMPP / Jabber?

I've used XMPP/Jabber in the past but the clients (and/or the protocol) lacked some features that I thought were elementary to a messanger.
I had problems when using it from different devices and synchronizing the conversations.
I hope that this isn't a problem anymore...

Instead of XMPP, I switched to Matrix, which I think is a reasonable successor. It also features sending pictures and other media without any hassle and has easy-to-understand "rooms", instead of the XMPP MUD (?) concept that I never understood :)
Find me at @acn:imzadi.de :)

Regards,
Anna

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Re: XMPP
By: apam to Arelor on Sun Jan 10 2021 10:25 pm

XMPP is ok but it runs into lots of interoperatibility issues. Most people I
used to XMPP with have either moved back to IRC or migrated to Signal Messenger.

How so? Do you mean XMPP servers talking to other XMPP servers? or
Gateways for talking to other services like MSN, ICQ, AIM etc?

No, I mean interoperatibility problems between servers and clients.

For example, you may download an XMPP client for your phone with a cool list of features, and then try to send a file to somebody else, and then discover there is a problem because your server, the server the recipient uses, or his client, use a different set of XMPP extensions than you or whatever.

I mean, the protocol is perfectly usable but in this day and age of dumb users who have no clue, the lack of consistency is a bit of an user experience drawback.

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apam wrote to All <=-

Does anyone here use XMPP / Jabber?

Not in many years. Over 10 I'm sure.

I had this idea of getting rid of facebook, but I like the messenger..

If you give up facebook how will you see the memes!?!? It's the only
reason I still have it. (and messenger for talking to grandson and
various other people)

Shawn

... 82.6% of statistics are wrong...

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Instead of XMPP, I switched to Matrix, which I think is a reasonable

I had a look at that, I installed a home server and think I have it set
up.

@apam:talismanbbs.com

Not sure if I have it right or not..

Andrew


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Re: Re: XMPP
By: Tiny to apam on Sun Jan 10 2021 12:45 pm

apam wrote to All <=-

Does anyone here use XMPP / Jabber?

Not in many years. Over 10 I'm sure.

I had this idea of getting rid of facebook, but I like the messenger..

If you give up facebook how will you see the memes!?!? It's the only
reason I still have it. (and messenger for talking to grandson and
various other people)

Shawn

... 82.6% of statistics are wrong...

I think here in Spain nearly nobody uses Facebook's Messenger, which is why Facebook ended up purchasing WhatsApp.

I don't like Silos myself.

Regarding a question posted before, Signal was designed to be federated but the main network is no longer federating because consistency between instances was a pain to keep. And I also suspect they like being a Silo.

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Hello acn!

** On Sunday 10.01.21 - 12:57, acn wrote to apam:

Instead of XMPP, I switched to Matrix, which I think is a reasonable successor. It also features sending pictures and other media without any hassle and has easy-to-understand "rooms", instead of the XMPP MUD (?) concept that I never understood :)
Find me at @acn:imzadi.de :)

Matrix sounds very much like Telegram.

Poo. :( Matrix doesn't seem to work from my beloved Thinkpad
T60 w/WinXP.



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BY: apam(21:1/182)


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Not anymore, I used to back in 200ish, even wrote lots of software to do things on top of XMPP at that time.



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Am 10.01.21 schrieb Ogg@21:4/106.21 in FSX_GEN:

Hallo Ogg,

Instead of XMPP, I switched to Matrix, which I think is a reasonable
successor. It also features sending pictures and other media without any a>> hassle and has easy-to-understand "rooms", instead of the XMPP MUD (?)
concept that I never understood :)
Find me at @acn:imzadi.de :)

Matrix sounds very much like Telegram.

But it isn't. While Telegram is a system with a central server and an
owner, everyone can set up its own Matrix server (like I did) and the
servers can communicate with each other - like E-Mail.

Poo. :( Matrix doesn't seem to work from my beloved Thinkpad
T60 w/WinXP.

Matrix clients are available for most systems and also work in browsers,
so I guess it should work on XP.
Maybe a textmode client?

Regards,
Anna

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Am 10.01.21 schrieb apam@21:1/182 in FSX_GEN:

Hallo apam,

Instead of XMPP, I switched to Matrix, which I think is a reasonable

I had a look at that, I installed a home server and think I have it set
up.

@apam:talismanbbs.com

Not sure if I have it right or not..

I just tried to contact you directly, but a search for that handle did not work...

Anna

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Ogg wrote to acn <=-

Poo. :( Matrix doesn't seem to work from my beloved Thinkpad
T60 w/WinXP.

I can't stress enough that Lubuntu on a T60 is a killer combination. I used
it on my T42 and T60 for some time, and it gave them both a new lease on
life.

Small-ish SSDs are going for cheap, even though the T60 has a sorta wonky
PATA to SATA bridge that limits the max speed of SATA drives, it makes a big difference. I'm seeing 256GB SSDs on Amazon for under $30.


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apam wrote to All <=-

I set up a XMPP server, and have an account on it, but no contacts lol

I had this idea of getting rid of facebook, but I like the messenger..
one time I think facebook messenger was XMPP based, but not anymore.

I just re-enabled my web host's XMPP server, I'm on as kweiske@kataan.org.
For how long, I don't know. New users can't configure Jabber, but legacy
users like me can get to the control panel for it.

Man, Pidgin looks like a time warp from the 2000s. Options for AIM, SILC, Google Talk and Groupwise?





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Hello poindexter!

** On Sunday 10.01.21 - 10:46, poindexter FORTRAN wrote to Ogg:

Poo. :( Matrix doesn't seem to work from my beloved
Thinkpad T60 w/WinXP.

I can't stress enough that Lubuntu on a T60 is a killer
combination. I used it on my T42 and T60 for some time, and
it gave them both a new lease on life.

Yep.. I remember someone mentioning that combination. Myself, I
would prefer Mint (which I have tested with a live-boot) ..and
it was amazing.

But I can't really switch away from Windows. I need to use
Access. And my pc came partitioned into C: and H: which
complicates things if I wanted dual boot to work.

Small-ish SSDs are going for cheap, even though the T60 has
a sorta wonky PATA to SATA bridge that limits the max speed
of SATA drives, it makes a big difference. I'm seeing 256GB
SSDs on Amazon for under $30.

Yes.. I've heard of the PATA/SATA thing, where select SDDs would
perform best. But my HDD is close to the 240GB size (and only
60GB free). Would be nice to atleast double the base. SDD would
also allow the pc to run cooler and improve battery life when
necessary.



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I just tried to contact you directly, but a search for that handle did
not
work...

I think I've fixed it now, I had the server - server port firewalled off
(I accidently unfirewalled the wrong port oops!)

Sorry if you get a whole lot of invitations to chat.. I'm still figuring
this thing out :)

Andrew


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Man, Pidgin looks like a time warp from the 2000s. Options for AIM,
SILC,
Google Talk and Groupwise?

Yeah, I quiet like it. It's easy to understand.

I switched off XMPP for now, as I'm going to try this matrix chat instead.

Andrew


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Re: Re: XMPP
By: apam to acn on Sun Jan 10 2021 11:54 pm

I had a look at that, I installed a home server and think I have it set up.
@apam:talismanbbs.com

I have matrix as well.

You can connect to my #bbs:matrix.leenooks.net, or me @deon:matrix.leenooks.net

...ëîåï

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Re: Matrix
By: Ogg to acn on Sun Jan 10 2021 09:47 am

Poo. :( Matrix doesn't seem to work from my beloved Thinkpad
T60 w/WinXP.

You can use the web client at element.io

...ëîåï

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Hello acn!

** On Sunday 10.01.21 - 18:19, acn wrote to Ogg:

Matrix sounds very much like Telegram.

But it isn't. While Telegram is a system with a central
server and an owner, everyone can set up its own Matrix
server (like I did) and the servers can communicate with
each other - like E-Mail.

Ah.. That's like keybase.io as well?

Poo. :( Matrix doesn't seem to work from my beloved
Thinkpad T60 w/WinXP.

Matrix clients are available for most systems and also work
in browsers, so I guess it should work on XP. Maybe a
textmode client?

So.. anyone can operate any of the Matrix clients and reach your
server?

Then, it sounds very much like Fidonet! :D



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Hello deon!

** On Monday 11.01.21 - 16:12, deon wrote to Ogg:

Poo. :( Matrix doesn't seem to work from my beloved Thinkpad
T60 w/WinXP.

You can use the web client at element.io
...ëîåï

Element.io doesn't like FF or Opera. I've gone as far as I could
in versions with both wrt WinXP.

Maybe it is time to drag out the T540 w/Win7 instead and operate
the T60 and T540 side by side gonzo style.


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apam wrote (2021-01-10):

Hi

Does anyone here use XMPP / Jabber?

We used to use it in a non-profit org. Worked pretty well with Conversations on Android (and not so well on iOS). But no private contacts that use XMPP anymore. I guess everyone is using Whatsapp/Telegram/Signal.

I set up a XMPP server, and have an account on it, but no contacts lol

I had this idea of getting rid of facebook, but I like the messenger..
one time I think facebook messenger was XMPP based, but not anymore.

That was some years ago. Does anyone remember Google Wave?

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apam wrote (2021-01-10):

I hadn't heard of signal, but it looks like yet another protocol, like telegram, wired, keybase etc...

it's basically like whatsapp, but better privacy and run by non-profit foundation.
(Signal introduced the end to end encryption that is used by WhatsApp, XMPP and MAtrix).

can you run your own signal server?

it's open source, but ...

do they connect to each other?

.... they cannot. Federating services have all kinds of problems. They haven't been very successful in the past.

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acn wrote (2021-01-10):

Instead of XMPP, I switched to Matrix, which I think is a reasonable successor. It also features sending pictures and other media without any hassle and has easy-to-understand "rooms", instead of the XMPP MUD (?) concept that I never understood :)

Yes, XMPP feels a bit like patchwork (especially when using different clients). But what is not understandable with MUC (multi user chat)? Is there much difference to Matrix rooms (from a users perspective)? What client did you use?

I don't think that Matrix is a 'successor'. It's quite different and it's more like NNTP than XMPP. Did they managed to make messages deletable? For years Matrix was slow and important stuff was still missing. They always wanted to release an alternative implementation of the server, but no other server ever was usable for production. At some point I just gave up on Matrix.

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Re: XMPP
By: Oli to apam on Mon Jan 11 2021 03:01 pm

(Signal introduced the end to end encryption that is used by WhatsApp, XMPP MAtrix).

OTR encryption became popular in the XMPP ecosystem in the first place, THEN Signal adapted it to their own system.

Not that I think you'd recognize OTR in Signal's custom system.


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Arelor wrote (2021-01-11):

(Signal introduced the end to end encryption that is used by
WhatsApp, XMPP MAtrix).

OTR encryption became popular in the XMPP ecosystem in the first place, THEN Signal adapted it to their own system.

Not that I think you'd recognize OTR in Signal's custom system.

I meant the newer OMEMO in XMPP, which uses the Double Ratchet algorithm introduced by Signal. But you are right, OTR was there long before Signal existed and was mainly used with XMPP (although it is independent from the messaging protocol).

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Am 11.01.21 schrieb apam@21:1/182 in FSX_GEN:

Hallo apam,

I think I've fixed it now, I had the server - server port firewalled off
(I accidently unfirewalled the wrong port oops!)

Sorry if you get a whole lot of invitations to chat.. I'm still figuring this thing out :)

No problem :)

Btw, deon has set up a BBS talk room, although it's a little quiet: #bbs:matrix.leenooks.net

Anna

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Am 10.01.21 schrieb Ogg@21:4/106.21 in FSX_GEN:

Hallo Ogg,

Matrix clients are available for most systems and also work
in browsers, so I guess it should work on XP. Maybe a
textmode client?

So.. anyone can operate any of the Matrix clients and reach your
server?
Then, it sounds very much like Fidonet! :D

Normally you can use any client and connect to any server - as long as you have an account on this server.
So you can e.g. you the client on element.io and connect to my server or
your own.

Regards,
Anna

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Am 11.01.21 schrieb Oli@21:3/102 in FSX_GEN:

Hallo Oli,

Yes, XMPP feels a bit like patchwork (especially when using different clients). But what is not understandable with MUC (multi user chat)? Is there much difference to Matrix rooms (from a users perspective)? What client did you use?

My experience is many years old, but I did not succeed in creating a room
and adding people to it.
I don't remember what client I've used, sorry.
In Matrix, or more specifically in Element, it's quite easy for me...

I don't think that Matrix is a 'successor'.

As it is working as a messenger with direct messages and rooms, it is for
me.

It's quite different and it's more like NNTP than XMPP.
Did they managed to make messages deletable?

Yes, messages can be deleted now.

For years Matrix was slow and important stuff was still missing. They
always wanted to release an alternative implementation of the server,
but no other server ever was usable for production. At some point I
just gave up on Matrix.

Understandable. Then I would suggest to try it again :)
For me, Synapse is working quite good as a server on my vServer.
And Element as a client is also nice and works well on my Android phone,
on my Linux desktop and as a web application.
Other clients and servers might not be up to this point, but it is a
usable setup in my opinion. (and in my opinion with less problems than I
had with Jabber)

Regards,
Anna

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Re: Matrix
By: Ogg to deon on Mon Jan 11 2021 05:10 am

Element.io doesn't like FF or Opera. I've gone as far as I could
in versions with both wrt WinXP.

Oh. Ive used Firefox, but I'm guessing the issue is the age of the browser on XP?

...ëîåï

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Re: Matrix
By: Ogg to acn on Sun Jan 10 2021 11:00 pm

So.. anyone can operate any of the Matrix clients and reach your
server?

Yes, you can use any client, on any device, and connect to any matrix instance and reach anybody who has federation turned on and that server can be connected by the server you are connected to.

My server is public if you want to play, you'll find a #bbs:matrix.leenooks.net room

...ëîåï

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Btw, deon has set up a BBS talk room, although it's a little quiet: #bbs:matrix.leenooks.net

Hmm, I just tried to join the channel but it said failed internal server
error. :/

Andrew

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Re: Re: XMPP
By: apam to acn on Tue Jan 12 2021 10:16 am

Btw, deon has set up a BBS talk room, although it's a little quiet: #bbs:matrix.leenooks.net

Hmm, I just tried to join the channel but it said failed internal server error. :/

Might be you?

I just connected from a ID that I have on matrix.org and I connected OK.

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Might be you?

I just connected from a ID that I have on matrix.org and I connected
OK.

It might be. I don't really know what I am doing. I managed to connect to
a room on matrix.org, but I put:

#bbs:matrix.leenooks.net

into the join room box, my home server logs say Response never recieved,
cancel error along with a python trace.

Andrew


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Re: Re: XMPP
By: apam to deon on Tue Jan 12 2021 12:44 pm

It might be. I don't really know what I am doing. I managed to connect to a room on matrix.org, but I put:
into the join room box, my home server logs say Response never recieved, cancel error along with a python trace.

Hmm... just to be sure it wasnt my server, I disconnected from a test room I have and then reconnected. IE:

Add Room -> Explore Public Rooms -> #test:matrix.leenooks.net and I rejoined.

You can try #test if you want...

I'll try and send you an invite and see if that helps a little...

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Re: Re: XMPP
By: deon to apam on Tue Jan 12 2021 04:44 pm

I'll try and send you an invite and see if that helps a little...

I tried an invite, and got a "following users may not exist" (you). Unable eto find profiles for the matrix ids.

It might be because your domain "talismanbbs.com" is answered by a webserver (not matrix).

Matrix uses https (port 443) and ssl 8448 (for federation) and both are answered by your BBS.

Hit my https://matrix.leenooks.net (and port 84448) and you'll see what I mean.

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I tried an invite, and got a "following users may not exist" (you).
Unable eto find profiles for the matrix ids.

It just started working. Did you do something?

Andrew


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Re: Re: XMPP
By: apam to deon on Tue Jan 12 2021 05:28 pm

Howdy,

It just started working. Did you do something?

Nope, done nothing...

I see your invite to me personally, but when I accept, it fails - and the log shows:

Failed to make_join via talismanbbs.com

I'm guessing that's because of what I mentioned before? https is answered by a web server, not matrix?

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I'm guessing that's because of what I mentioned before? https is
answered by a web server, not matrix?

It's proxied through apache, I did follow the instructions on the site
for that, but maybe I missed a step

Andrew


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I'm guessing that's because of what I mentioned before? https is
answered by a web server, not matrix?

I just set ProxyPreserveHost on in apache for the federation port.

I *think* it may have been that local addresses are on the synapse
blocklist and as the proxy request would have been from localhost...

Anyway, I created an account with matrix.org and it worked to chat
between the two, so here's hoping I fixed it.

Andrew


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Re: Re: XMPP
By: apam to deon on Tue Jan 12 2021 07:07 pm

I'm guessing that's because of what I mentioned before? https is
answered by a web server, not matrix?

It's proxied through apache, I did follow the instructions on the site
for that, but maybe I missed a step

Yup, OK, I used the API and it appears that your matrix is responding fine:

# curl https://talismanbbs.com/_matrix/client/versions {"versions":["r0.0.1","r0.1.0","r0.2.0","r0.3.0","r0.4.0","r0.5.0","r0.6.0"],"unstable_features":{"org.matrix.label_based_filteri ng":true,"org.matrix.e2e_cross_signing":true,"org.matrix.msc2432":true,"uk.half-shot.msc2666":true,"io.element.e2ee_forced.public ":false,"io.element.e2ee_forced.private":false,"io.element.e2ee_forced.trusted_private":false}}

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Hallo Anna!

acn wrote (2021-01-11):

My experience is many years old, but I did not succeed in creating a room and adding people to it.
I don't remember what client I've used, sorry.
In Matrix, or more specifically in Element, it's quite easy for me...

Maybe you should try XMPP again. With recent software it is much easier nowadays ;-P.

I don't think that Matrix is a 'successor'.

As it is working as a messenger with direct messages and rooms, it is for me.

Have you tried it on the phone? I wonder how well notifications work (Matrix client closed / as background process receiving messages).

For years Matrix was slow and important stuff was still missing. They
always wanted to release an alternative implementation of the server,
but no other server ever was usable for production. At some point I
just gave up on Matrix.

Understandable. Then I would suggest to try it again :)

Nobody I know uses it for direct messaging and chat rooms are fun, but also very distracting. I already quit XMPP MUC, Facebook, IRC, I don't think I risk another relapse. Thank god the traffic in FTNs is so tiny.

Maybe some day I'll try again.

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Hallo Oli,

My experience is many years old, but I did not succeed in creating a room a>> and adding people to it.
I don't remember what client I've used, sorry.
In Matrix, or more specifically in Element, it's quite easy for me...

Maybe you should try XMPP again. With recent software it is much easier nowadays ;-P.

Maybe, but then there is the problem that I don't know anyone who is
actively using XMPP/Jabber anymore - but I have several groups in Matrix,
and at least one bot that I've connected to Matrix (who will tell me if someone logs into my BBS *g*).

As it is working as a messenger with direct messages and rooms, it is for a>> me.

Have you tried it on the phone? I wonder how well notifications work
(Matrix client closed / as background process receiving messages).

I'm using Element on my Pixel 3 and it seems to work fine, it is receiving messages and also sends notifications.

[Matrix]

Nobody I know uses it for direct messaging and chat rooms are fun, but also very distracting. I already quit XMPP MUC, Facebook, IRC, I don't think I risk another relapse. Thank god the traffic in FTNs is so tiny.

:)
Totally understandable.

Regards,
Anna

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