• Re: Family vs Politics -

    From Dr. What@21:1/616 to Exodus on Mon Jan 6 07:16:48 2025
    Exodus wrote to Argos <=-

    Just tell them if they support democrap, they are wrong.

    Oh, but that's Hate Speech. Or is it a Microagression? I can never remember all the nonsensical terms that they use.


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  • From Exodus@21:1/144 to Dr. What on Mon Jan 6 16:04:10 2025

    Just tell them if they support democrap, they are wrong.

    Oh, but that's Hate Speech. Or is it a Microagression? I can never remem all the nonsensical terms that they use.

    Then I just keep talking about my "hate speech" until they leave. ;)

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  • From Dr. What@21:1/616 to Dmxrob on Sun Jan 12 10:02:42 2025
    Dmxrob wrote to Argos <=-

    Huh? Harris - 48.3%, Trump - 49.8%

    Where is this overwhelming win at?

    Let's see.

    First time a Republican won the popular vote for President in 20 years.
    A simple look at any any Electoral map shows the vast majority of the country voted for Trump.

    If you actually knew something (other than being told by your programmers what to think), you would know that the President is not elected by popular vote. The intent was that the President have WIDE support - so the big population centers didn't effectively elect a President that the vast majority of the rest of the country didn't want.

    I'm tired of letting people "make up facts" and I intend to be very
    vocal and call out BS when I see it.

    Ahh, yes. The usual Woke willful ignorance.


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  • From poindexter FORTRAN@21:4/122 to Dr. What on Sun Jan 12 09:57:16 2025
    Dr. What wrote to Dmxrob <=-

    First time a Republican won the popular vote for President in 20 years.
    A simple look at any any Electoral map shows the vast majority of the country voted for Trump.

    That's a common fallacy being used. Trump won the popular vote by about
    one and a half percentage points. Looking at a vote by state shows an
    overwhelming red map. Vote by country and it's almost identical to a
    map by population. Same data, different inference. Except, land doesn't
    vote in a popular election - but it makes a convincing visual.

    If you actually knew something (other than being told by your
    programmers what to think), you would know that the President is not elected by popular vote. The intent was that the President have WIDE support - so the big population centers didn't effectively elect a President that the vast majority of the rest of the country didn't
    want.

    The electoral college was drawn up in the 18th century as a compromise
    when no other elected their government using a popular vote. It was
    later reinforced by the south as they gave slaves 3/5th representation.

    There's an argument whether or not still has a place.

    Ahh, yes. The usual Woke willful ignorance.

    If you think only the other side if "programmed", you're mistaken.



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  • From Gamgee@21:2/138 to poindexter FORTRAN on Sun Jan 12 13:48:30 2025
    poindexter FORTRAN wrote to Dr. What <=-

    First time a Republican won the popular vote for President in 20 years.
    A simple look at any any Electoral map shows the vast majority of the country voted for Trump.

    That's a common fallacy being used. Trump won the popular vote by
    about
    one and a half percentage points. Looking at a vote by state shows an
    overwhelming red map. Vote by country and it's almost identical to a
    map by population. Same data, different inference. Except, land
    doesn't
    vote in a popular election - but it makes a convincing visual.

    Absolutely all true, except that the margin was more like 4% (77M vs
    74M).

    If you actually knew something (other than being told by your
    programmers what to think), you would know that the President is not elected by popular vote. The intent was that the President have WIDE support - so the big population centers didn't effectively elect a President that the vast majority of the rest of the country didn't
    want.

    The electoral college was drawn up in the 18th century as a compromise when no other elected their government using a popular vote. It was
    later reinforced by the south as they gave slaves 3/5th representation.

    There's an argument whether or not still has a place.

    Not really. The *ONLY* place that liberals win convincingly is in the
    huge urban/city environments. Why should that demographic control the
    entire country? It's a VERY obvious fact that the EC is still valid.

    Ahh, yes. The usual Woke willful ignorance.

    If you think only the other side if "programmed", you're mistaken.

    Absolutely correct.


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  • From Dr. What@21:1/616 to poindexter FORTRAN on Mon Jan 13 08:02:35 2025
    poindexter FORTRAN wrote to Dr. What <=-

    That's a common fallacy being used. Trump won the popular vote by
    about
    one and a half percentage points.

    It's a common tactic by the Left to always use descriptions that further their false Narrtive.

    1.5% = 2,290,238 votes.

    Which is a little scary since the Elitists imported many more illegal aliens and planned on allowing them to vote.

    If you think only the other side if "programmed", you're mistaken.

    And I see the Woke delusion continues.


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  • From Dr. What@21:1/616 to Matty on Mon Jan 13 08:02:35 2025
    Matty wrote to Dmxrob <=-

    It's interesting that over 90 million registered voters did not vote in the election.

    Ya, it's almost like didn't exist in the first place.


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  • From Dumas Walker@21:1/175 to POINDEXTER FORTRAN on Mon Jan 13 10:22:00 2025
    It's interesting that over 90 million registered voters did not vote in the election.

    Yeah, the numbers were atypical this year.

    How so? The number of votes casts for the top two candidates in the last four elections, rounded to the nearest million:

    2012 - 125 million
    2016 - 129 million
    2020 - 155 million
    2024 - 152 million

    I am not sure where that 90 million number comes from, or also how many
    didn't vote in these previous elections. I have a difficult enough time believing we had 23-26 million more registered voters between 2016 and the
    last two elections, so I find it difficult to believe there could be 90
    million that didn't vote this time but not somewhere close to that (or way above it!) in 2012 or 2016.


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  • From Dumas Walker@21:1/175 to GAMGEE on Mon Jan 13 10:24:00 2025
    Not really. The *ONLY* place that liberals win convincingly is in the
    huge urban/city environments. Why should that demographic control the
    entire country? It's a VERY obvious fact that the EC is still valid.

    +1.


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  • From Dumas Walker@21:1/175 to ARGOS on Tue Jan 14 09:24:00 2025
    Respecting one another and STOP the polarization of our county. Focus on being
    kind to one another, focus on respecting one another

    This.

    and for crying out loud, quit ya bitching.

    But this could have been worded better. ;)


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  • From Tiny@21:1/700 to Nightfox on Thu Jan 16 05:32:40 2025
    Hi Nightfox,
    In a message to Arelor you wrote:

    I actually like using Facebook mainly because I like seeing what my
    friends are sharing. If there wasn't a good reason, I probably
    wouldn't use it.

    I kept FB for this exact reason. Now I just see political BS I don't
    want to see, and ads. I deleted my account about a month ago now, I
    don't miss it and I had been using it daily for over 15 years.

    I also took a couple weeks off BBSing. This I did miss, however it's
    much faster and easier to skip messages on the topics I am not interested
    in. I support anyone's decision to discuss anything they want, I just
    won't read it. I will help you fight for the ability to post about it.

    Shawn

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  • From Dr. What@21:1/616 to Nightfox on Thu Jan 16 07:51:02 2025
    Nightfox wrote to Arelor <=-

    I actually like using Facebook mainly because I like seeing what my friends are sharing. If there wasn't a good reason, I probably
    wouldn't use it.

    Same here. It's really the only place where I can contact family members, and have access to groups for my hobbies.


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  • From Dumas Walker@21:1/175 to NEOSHOCK on Thu Jan 16 09:54:00 2025
    feel is inappropriate content like adult content. However, we need to somehow educate people that these platforms are not the best way to get your news, or at least educate how to vet so called news on these platforms. I don't know ho
    people thought that this is the best methods of news content.

    Indeed. There are people who not only get their news mostly from Twitter/X
    but that also believe that this is the best way to get it. <shrugs> If I
    know that is how they feel, I very much discount any information they share with me re: current events.


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  • From Dumas Walker@21:1/175 to ARELOR on Thu Jan 16 10:07:00 2025
    Well, TV and radio news are junk services and I think enough people knows that
    already. This begs the question: if you know regular mainstream news outlets are junk, where will you get your news from?

    In my area, the local TV news still isn't junk, and they do report on
    national and some international stories.

    Cable news networks, OTOH, have been trending into junk for years. IMHO, they are like the social media of the airwaves when it comes to questionable information and opinion pieces disguised as hard news.

    Newsnation, a cable newcomer, seems to be less like junk than the rest. I
    have not watched them lately, though, so I cannot confirm that this trend continued.


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  • From Dumas Walker@21:1/175 to DR. WHAT on Thu Jan 16 09:59:00 2025
    Same here. It's really the only place where I can contact family members, and
    have access to groups for my hobbies.

    For several years, FB was the place where the family and friends shared
    photos of get-togethers, etc. Now that their kids are grown, not so much.
    I do still use it for hobby groups.


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  • From Dumas Walker@21:1/175 to POINDEXTER FORTRAN on Fri Jan 17 09:50:00 2025
    The fact that these services are designed to be addictive is the rub.
    How do grown people counter a service designed by behavioral scientists
    - let alone children?

    Indeed.


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  • From poindexter FORTRAN@21:4/122 to Dumas Walker on Fri Jan 17 08:19:32 2025
    Dumas Walker wrote to NEOSHOCK <=-

    Indeed. There are people who not only get their news mostly from Twitter/X but that also believe that this is the best way to get it. <shrugs> If I know that is how they feel, I very much discount any information they share with me re: current events.

    I do get a lot of news via twitter. When I say "get", that doesn't mean
    liking the headline, though - it means clicking through, reading the
    article, and considering the source. That's what's missing today, a good
    sense of skepticism.

    I don't think we can recover from social media, though - it's designed
    for quick bites, quick dopamine hits, holding on to eyeballs as long as possible and is a wonderful growth media for disinformation.

    Given Twitter and Facebook's alignment with Trump (either due to
    economic benefit or not being threatened with jail time by the
    president) I don't see anything changing.



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  • From Dumas Walker@21:1/175 to POINDEXTER FORTRAN on Sat Jan 18 10:16:00 2025
    I don't think we can recover from social media, though - it's designed
    for quick bites, quick dopamine hits, holding on to eyeballs as long as possible and is a wonderful growth media for disinformation.

    Given Twitter and Facebook's alignment with Trump (either due to
    economic benefit or not being threatened with jail time by the
    president) I don't see anything changing.

    I don't think FB is aligning with Trump so much as they are disassociating
    with goverment oversight in general. I do agree that their doing so right
    now is because they see writing on the wall.

    I also don't think it matters which side they are aligned with. As long as they are aligned to *either* side, they are going to turn a blind eye to disinformation that benefits their side... and those on their side will eat
    it up.


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  • From Dr. What@21:1/616 to Dumas Walker on Sun Jan 19 09:48:08 2025
    Dumas Walker wrote to POINDEXTER FORTRAN <=-

    I don't think FB is aligning with Trump so much as they are
    disassociating with goverment oversight in general. I do agree that
    their doing so right now is because they see writing on the wall.

    I also don't think it matters which side they are aligned with. As
    long as they are aligned to *either* side, they are going to turn a
    blind eye to disinformation that benefits their side... and those on
    their side will eat it up.

    Why do I keep thinking of Zuck as Saurman?

    He allied himself with the bad guys and betrayed the good guys. Then he double crossed the bad guys he was allied with.

    IHMO: He should have spent more time reading Lord of the Rings. It might have taught him something.


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