Hello Arelor!

** On Wednesday 31.03.21 - 07:04, Arelor wrote to Paradigms Shifting:

In my experience, the level of civility to be found is heavily dependant
on whihc networks you visit.

Fidonet looks like a lost cause in that regard. Feel free to distregrd
this line as trolling, though :-P

To me, echomail is echomail. It doesn't matter to me whether the
convo takes place in fsxnet fidonet dovenet or micronet OpenXP
or nntp-method is my unifier. I visit all of them. Everyone is
one big family. Each net has its own subset of echos. There are
fine conversant people in fidonet's CHAT, COFFEE_KLATSCH, and
ASIAN_LINK (general chat) areas too! I know one of them
personally. :D FSXnet's _GEN echo can seem to get crowded
..meaning, interjected with tests and other stuff that can
probably belong in another echo.

--- OpenXP 5.0.49
* Origin: (} Pointy McPointFace (21:4/106.21)

On 31 Mar 2021 at 10:09a, Ogg pondered and said...

Hello Arelor!

** On Wednesday 31.03.21 - 07:04, Arelor wrote to Paradigms Shifting:

In my experience, the level of civility to be found is heavily dependa on whihc networks you visit.

Fidonet looks like a lost cause in that regard. Feel free to distregrd this line as trolling, though :-P

To me, echomail is echomail. It doesn't matter to me whether the
convo takes place in fsxnet fidonet dovenet or micronet OpenXP
or nntp-method is my unifier. I visit all of them. Everyone is
one big family. Each net has its own subset of echos. There are
fine conversant people in fidonet's CHAT, COFFEE_KLATSCH, and
ASIAN_LINK (general chat) areas too! I know one of them
personally. :D FSXnet's _GEN echo can seem to get crowded
..meaning, interjected with tests and other stuff that can
probably belong in another echo.

The temptation is always there for me to spin up my old BBS and bring back my old echonet. I've lost count of how many times people have asked me to,
or asked if I am going to, because they think it would be nice to see.

Well, I'm just not there yet. For now, I'll remain a user. And for now, only just on this BBS. We'll see what I decide for the future.

.:- Paradigms Shifting -:.

--- Mystic BBS v1.12 A46 2020/08/26 (Windows/32)
* Origin: Agency BBS | Dunedin, New Zealand | agency.bbs.nz (21:1/101)

The temptation is always there for me to spin up my old BBS and bring
back my old echonet. I've lost count of how many times people have asked me to, or asked if I am going to, because they think it would be nice to see.

Remaining "just" a user seems pretty solid.

There are plenty of BBSs out there, and any door games would be better if spread over fewer BBSs.

And messages are basically the same throughout the networks.

And files are probably going to be on the internet, or fairly widely
available.

So, from what I can tell, the main reasons to run BBSs are:
1) You like doing fun things with ANSI
2) You like doing fun things with code
3) You just want to play around with BBS software
4) You want to engage in nostalgia for your own BBS.

3 and 4 are definitely, "it's entirely for you", and the first two aren't far off.

But don't let that stop you, either. I started for the nostalgia and stayed
for the ANSI and coding. Though I'm happily only about 100 ANSIs away from completing the first draft of my daily calendar project.

But if you're a user, you both get to experience all the various neat things about BBSs, and make a sysop happy that they have a regular caller.

So, yay for users!

--- Mystic BBS v1.12 A46 2020/08/26 (Linux/64)
* Origin: Storm BBS (21:2/108)

Hello Arelor!

** On Wednesday 31.03.21 - 07:04, Arelor wrote to Paradigms Shifting:

In my experience, the level of civility to be found is heavily dependant
on whihc networks you visit.

Fidonet looks like a lost cause in that regard. Feel free to distregrd
this line as trolling, though :-P

To me, echomail is echomail. It doesn't matter to me whether the
convo takes place in fsxnet fidonet dovenet or micronet OpenXP
or nntp-method is my unifier. I visit all of them. Everyone is
one big family. Each net has its own subset of echos. There are
fine conversant people in fidonet's CHAT, COFFEE_KLATSCH, and
ASIAN_LINK (general chat) areas too! I know one of them
personally. :D FSXnet's _GEN echo can seem to get crowded
..meaning, interjected with tests and other stuff that can
probably belong in another echo.

--- OpenXP 5.0.49
* Origin: (} Pointy McPointFace (21:4/106.21)

On 31 Mar 2021 at 10:09a, Ogg pondered and said...

Hello Arelor!

** On Wednesday 31.03.21 - 07:04, Arelor wrote to Paradigms Shifting:

In my experience, the level of civility to be found is heavily dependa on whihc networks you visit.

Fidonet looks like a lost cause in that regard. Feel free to distregrd this line as trolling, though :-P

To me, echomail is echomail. It doesn't matter to me whether the
convo takes place in fsxnet fidonet dovenet or micronet OpenXP
or nntp-method is my unifier. I visit all of them. Everyone is
one big family. Each net has its own subset of echos. There are
fine conversant people in fidonet's CHAT, COFFEE_KLATSCH, and
ASIAN_LINK (general chat) areas too! I know one of them
personally. :D FSXnet's _GEN echo can seem to get crowded
..meaning, interjected with tests and other stuff that can
probably belong in another echo.

The temptation is always there for me to spin up my old BBS and bring back my old echonet. I've lost count of how many times people have asked me to,
or asked if I am going to, because they think it would be nice to see.

Well, I'm just not there yet. For now, I'll remain a user. And for now, only just on this BBS. We'll see what I decide for the future.

.:- Paradigms Shifting -:.

--- Mystic BBS v1.12 A46 2020/08/26 (Windows/32)
* Origin: Agency BBS | Dunedin, New Zealand | agency.bbs.nz (21:1/101)

The temptation is always there for me to spin up my old BBS and bring
back my old echonet. I've lost count of how many times people have asked me to, or asked if I am going to, because they think it would be nice to see.

Remaining "just" a user seems pretty solid.

There are plenty of BBSs out there, and any door games would be better if spread over fewer BBSs.

And messages are basically the same throughout the networks.

And files are probably going to be on the internet, or fairly widely
available.

So, from what I can tell, the main reasons to run BBSs are:
1) You like doing fun things with ANSI
2) You like doing fun things with code
3) You just want to play around with BBS software
4) You want to engage in nostalgia for your own BBS.

3 and 4 are definitely, "it's entirely for you", and the first two aren't far off.

But don't let that stop you, either. I started for the nostalgia and stayed
for the ANSI and coding. Though I'm happily only about 100 ANSIs away from completing the first draft of my daily calendar project.

But if you're a user, you both get to experience all the various neat things about BBSs, and make a sysop happy that they have a regular caller.

So, yay for users!

--- Mystic BBS v1.12 A46 2020/08/26 (Linux/64)
* Origin: Storm BBS (21:2/108)

On 01 Apr 2021 at 03:02a, Adept pondered and said...

The temptation is always there for me to spin up my old BBS and bring back my old echonet. I've lost count of how many times people have as me to, or asked if I am going to, because they think it would be nice see.

Remaining "just" a user seems pretty solid.

There are plenty of BBSs out there, and any door games would be better if spread over fewer BBSs.

And messages are basically the same throughout the networks.

And files are probably going to be on the internet, or fairly widely available.

So, from what I can tell, the main reasons to run BBSs are:
1) You like doing fun things with ANSI
2) You like doing fun things with code
3) You just want to play around with BBS software
4) You want to engage in nostalgia for your own BBS.

3 and 4 are definitely, "it's entirely for you", and the first two
aren't far off.

But don't let that stop you, either. I started for the nostalgia and stayed for the ANSI and coding. Though I'm happily only about 100 ANSIs away from completing the first draft of my daily calendar project.

But if you're a user, you both get to experience all the various neat things about BBSs, and make a sysop happy that they have a regular
caller.

So, yay for users!

You make good points, and I've considered those as well. I think at this
point, the following would bring me back to the Sysop's table:

01) I suck at coding, and sadly all of the modern BBSes don't have a good old fashioned graphical config screen anymore, like what Renegade, Telegard (and the list goes on), etc had. So at the very least, I'd need a coder to create such a utility for either Mystic BBS or Enigma 1/2. At this point, I'd
probably go with one of those two if I were to resurrect my BBS.

02) Going back to the sucking at coding thing again, I'd also want to have a few custom mods created for me. If I brought my BBS back, I wouldn't want it
to be a reboot of exactly how it was. I'd want to bring something new to the table. Some unique things. I wouldn't want to be "yet another BBS that has
the same ole' shit that every other BBS has". That would just make it look
like a "fancy looking stock bbs". So, I'd want to toss some imagination into the mix. I just don't know any coders interested in such endeavors.

03) One thing that is very important that I have learned in my life, and the hard way -- is the lesson of quality over quantity. I used to want tons of users and as many BBSes as I could have in my echomail network. I got lots of users. I got lots of nodes. Humans being human, that didn't always work out
too well. So, I would definitely utilize a BBS feature that in the past I didn't appreciate the value of: NUP! The NUP would of course be available
upon request, but someone would have to give enough of a shit to track me
down and get my attention to ask me. I would also revamp my echomail network
to be more niche, instead of having a more general audience.

So yeah at this point, I think that would be my justification for putting it back up. The first two would be harder to achieve than the third.

.:- Paradigms Shifting -:.

--- Mystic BBS v1.12 A46 2020/08/26 (Windows/32)
* Origin: Agency BBS | Dunedin, New Zealand | agency.bbs.nz (21:1/101)