• Re: Bad Day..

    From apam@21:1/151 to Avon on Mon Nov 22 17:32:04 2021
    I'm picking you were having a bad day when you wrote this?

    Not especially. It's been a bad few years.

    Then I'd suggest, do as you say and drop the urge to write future
    echomail posts on political subjects. If you want to debate that stuff either take it to netmail or to an othernet.

    I don't want to debate politics. I want people to stop. I want people to
    listen and take the no politics rule seriously. I want this to be a place
    where people can talk about stuff like computers and BBSing. Sure I
    overreacted to Solaris, my point was supposed to be this is what happens
    when the no politics rule is ignored. People get angry and things
    deteriorate, and then I got carried away, because I'm angry. So I
    apologised.

    It's seems to be par for the course though. Everyone has their 2 cents to
    put in, regardless of the no politics rule. People who lurk for
    everything else, spring into action, and those who follow the rules are
    left wondering why am I even here?

    Despite what some may want people to believe I'm not the leader of the
    leftist movement. I do have conservative friends, and it works because we
    don't talk politics.

    It goes both ways though.

    Andrew

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  • From Avon@21:1/101 to deon on Tue Nov 23 16:19:22 2021
    On 21 Nov 2021 at 09:59a, deon pondered and said...

    I must admit, the restrictions and curfews were something that I thought occured during major world wars, and I never imagined that I would experience it in my lifetime.

    But life is good now, kids are back at school, doing extra curicular activities and socialising has started again...

    Here in New Zealand we had elimination as a strategy that kept covid out of the country for many long months at a time and for the latter part of 2020 and up until August 2021 we were living 'normal' non locked down, non people unwell or dying of covid lifes.

    In August the delta variant arrived in the country and our country went into a strict lockdown which was eased for many areas but remained stringent in our largest city (Auckland) where the outbreak had occurred.

    In recent months the push from our government has been to get vaccinated and the country has responded to that requests with many areas nudging 90% vaccinated now.

    The government has announced a move to a new (traffic light) alert system that essentially places more freedoms of movement and abilities to do things in the hands of those who are vaccinated vs. those who for whatever reason choose to remain un-vaccinated.

    That new system starts in a couple of weeks and people are gearing up for it by acquiring a digital vaccination passport that will enable those freedoms of movement and access to assorted services.

    Meantime daily case numbers have risen a bit but are mitigated by the vaccination coverage, our hospitals are not overwhelmed but are busy anyways. For us it feels like we're moving to a very different space as covid starts to appear around the country in assorted cities albeit in a slow but steady creep across the country.

    For more on New Zealand's response the best place to visit is www.covid19.govt.nz

    Best, Paul

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  • From Avon@21:1/101 to apam on Tue Nov 23 16:34:22 2021
    On 22 Nov 2021 at 05:32p, apam pondered and said...

    I'm picking you were having a bad day when you wrote this?

    Not especially. It's been a bad few years.

    :( yeah for many of us I'm picking.. that said, I do try to find stuff day to day to be thankful for, it helps keep me sane and my wife a happier lady :)

    I don't want to debate politics. I want people to stop. I want people to listen and take the no politics rule seriously. I want this to be a place where people can talk about stuff like computers and BBSing. Sure I overreacted to Solaris, my point was supposed to be this is what happens when the no politics rule is ignored. People get angry and things deteriorate, and then I got carried away, because I'm angry. So I apologised.

    Yep all good. I think folks here by and large want that also. Sometimes stuff slips in that may bump up against the politics edges but I think people do try their best for the most part to keep politics out of fsxNet.

    It's seems to be par for the course though. Everyone has their 2 cents to put in, regardless of the no politics rule. People who lurk for
    everything else, spring into action, and those who follow the rules are left wondering why am I even here?

    No one is perfect and I'm not going to say for a second that I am. If people offer comment on stuff then (again for the most part) the discussions are usually pretty well moderated by the community and if I see anything I think looks really amiss I try to point that out.

    Despite what some may want people to believe I'm not the leader of the leftist movement. I do have conservative friends, and it works because we don't talk politics.

    You're political preferences are your own business / affair. I care far more for the BBS, geek, tech, daily life etc. banters that you (and everyone else active in the network) care to bring to the echomail chatter :)

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  • From Dr. What@21:1/194 to Arelor on Thu Nov 25 10:08:00 2021
    Arelor wrote to poindexter FORTRAN <=-

    I had a very nice time during the lockdown because I spent it tending
    the harvest. People living in a small city appartment had a really bad time. Suicide cases skyrocketed here and nobody wonders why.

    They don't need to wonder why. They know why. And the "leaders" there don't care.


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  • From Dr. What@21:1/194 to Ogg on Thu Nov 25 10:10:00 2021
    Ogg wrote to Arelor <=-

    One of the common catch-phrases that was touted by the gov't/
    media was "Stay home. Stay safe." Then it changed to "Stay
    home. Save lives." However, many elective and emergency
    surgeries were cancelled or postponed. Routine visits to
    physicians didn't happen either. Consequently, a new
    demographic of "lives" got sick or sicker or died as a result
    of this disruption, and not because of the c-bug. How ironic.

    Last year, when it was becomming apparant that the lockdowns were NOT going to be short term, it was predicted that the response to COVID would kill more people than COVID.

    That prediction was true late last year.


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  • From Ogg@21:4/106.21 to M1ch43l on Wed Dec 1 08:07:00 2021
    Hello M1ch43l!

    ** On Wednesday 01.12.21 - 10:04, M1ch43l wrote to poindexter FORTRAN:

    Here in California, during lockdown as long as you were using the beach
    to surf, walk, jog, were keeping your distance and not just sitting..

    I just love living in Europe, Netherlands to be specific. Not all of those strict rules. We didn't had any hard lockdown and are allowed to leave our homes, except for a night curfew which lasted for about 2 months in
    January of 2021.

    It was just in the news on Nov 27, that NL is imposing curfews
    at night:

    "Netherlands to shutter at night amid Covid surge

    "The Netherlands will be "effectively closed" in the evenings
    from Sunday - with bars, restaurants and shops shutting between
    5pm and 5am, PM Mark Rutte announced Friday.

    5pm closures are pretty early!


    The world is going mad about Covid. Scary to see what is happening in Australia and NZ. Let's hope this won't last a few more years.

    It will last. Pfizer (et. al) have too much money to be made.

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  • From Adept@21:2/108 to Ogg on Wed Dec 8 23:29:28 2021
    "The Netherlands will be "effectively closed" in the evenings
    from Sunday - with bars, restaurants and shops shutting between
    5pm and 5am, PM Mark Rutte announced Friday.

    5pm closures are pretty early!

    At least it's already completely dark outside at that point.

    ...okay, that's the one depressing thing about living in Northern Europe. I _like_ the "always cloudy" weather, but the long nights...

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  • From phiax@21:1/172 to Adept on Fri Dec 10 04:19:54 2021
    ...okay, that's the one depressing thing about living in Northern
    Europe. I _like_ the "always cloudy" weather, but the long nights...

    Totally feel you. ¸land is pretty dark already.

    Actually, the controversy here is that the regional government (since we have semi-autonomous rule under Finland) decided to take a page from the
    neoliberal route [let's say "Swedish" playbook]. I will explain.

    In an island province/semi-micronation that is dependent on tourism and shipping for the economy, we juggled strategic lockdowns, closings of specific schools/grades at schools, and lots of masking. Practically, 99% of everyone were on board, since our position as a Baltic shipping bridge (and as a
    tourist spot) is essential. Even if the culture is "finlandssvenska", there is a cultural commonality with the mainland with the Finnish "sisu": grit, resilience, stoic determination. It reflects the very typical Finnish "well,
    it sucks, but we tough it out for the best overall outcome."

    As such, as noted, when they recommended [not legally enforced] masking,
    almost everyone did. When they recommended limiting things like lunch
    buffets, etc. most of the restaurants in Mariehamn made special carry out
    lunch specials, or in the case of my favorite pizza/Italian place [which
    hosts a daily lunch buffet of really great brick-oven pizza... not CiCi's bullshit like in the States], they would have carry out specials and have aluminum baking trays of lasagna at the local grocery store for sale. We have had some social spread [especially last Christmas season], but the islanders have been very diligent. I think most of my friends and coworkers have at one point opted to be tested at the drive-up kiosk outside the regional hospital
    at some point over the last 2 years because they woke up with what turned out to be just a cold.

    As such, during times when there were zero cases and no social spread, we
    went back to normal. During the high of tourist season, things were back in order with mask mandates indoors. There was a little controversy with a late-summer rock festival, but it resulted in only a few cases on the islands due to precautions.

    As such, we are in the high 80%s for people with both vaccinations, last I checked, at least so far as adults are concerned. They are rolling out
    boosters for the first wave and making preparations for children in families with risk factors, likely in the week.

    So the other week the center/center-right leaning government, in opposition
    to the recommendation of health authorities, announced that even though there were some cases that came over from Sweden (and some social spread), they
    were not going to recommend masking, limiting social gatherings, etc. as
    to "not interfere with Christmas nor Christmas shopping season." This was *widely* lambasted in the media and in local social media circles. Basically all retail shops (and teachers at school) continued to mask (and many regular people anyway), and due to outcry, they did say they they support a "soft" recommendation.

    So sure, dealing with a mostly rural, island province with only one city
    (home to 10,000 of the 30,000 total people) is much different from, say, Australia or the US, cultural factors and pragmatism [over political identitarianism] can play significant roles in polity and public health.

    So in the case of the ¸land Islands, you can see a case where the population has been driving protective policy. Sure, the hard mandates from mainland Finland were often handed down, but often when we were already masking or having increased procedures in schools [side note: in the elementary schools
    at least, only two grades at a time would be able to interact or share the
    same part of the playground, handwashing procedures were enforced even when
    not in any restriction, teachers masked, and the lunch schedules were tweaked so that the cleaning staff could give a full clean of the cafeteria between lunch periods]. Socially, everyone was at least aware of the current status, whether from the newspapers or ¸HS's website, because it was seen as
    pertinent to the social and economic welfare of the community. And the only hiccup in the vaccine roll-out is that Group 1 [elderly and high risk] had a lot of lazy older folks who didn't bother signing up in a timely manner and they weren't going to open up to Group 2 [other risk factors] or General
    until they hit some arbitrary % [and there were some weeks that the
    vaccination center few old people came in a day].

    I'm not going to say we are perfect, but most everyone understood what a massive outbreak would mean for both the industries here and the regional hospital and adjusted accordingly. Part may have been that summer 2020 was pretty "lean times" in regards to tourism income, so by the end of summer through to 2021 and into a great summer in 2021, everyone was pretty damn
    chill about taking needed precautions. Hell, most of the touristy shit here
    is very outdoors [camping, sailing, fishing], so it really came down to
    people getting the shot as soon as they could and putting on masks and having hand sanitizers. I don't think there was a hard closure of anything in 2021, except for a couple elementary school classes having to test and quarantine
    and like a week in maybe April where government offices and schools were operating remotely.

    I don't know. I think there is too much politics wrapped up in all this for other countries. Australia has been a little nutty with extending police
    powers [even if it hasn't *actually* lead to widespread abuse yet, it is disconcerting and part of a larger trend over there independent of COVID] and the US often has very ill-fitting public policy management, the rural south
    and midwest often playing denialism or "muh freedoms" for basic measures that will help their community, because they want to present some form of
    political identity, or the coastal urban/suburban often having ill-timed or extended lockdowns that seem (at least for a layman) not ideal.

    And then there is my former country, Sweden... who decided to spend a year pretending it was nothing, putting out soft recommendations basically nobody followed, and having orders of magnitude higher social spread that the rest
    of the Nordics [including denser Denmark, which has direct physical/supply communication with the rest of Europe]. I'm chalking that up to the
    government running out of money, not admitting it, and pretending that ideas
    of Swedish exceptionalism would placate everyone during a crisis [and for the most part it did, at the cost of lives].

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  • From opicron@21:3/126 to Adept on Fri Dec 10 14:26:52 2021
    Actually meant for Ogg

    "The Netherlands will be "effectively closed" in the evenings
    from Sunday - with bars, restaurants and shops shutting between
    5pm and 5am, PM Mark Rutte announced Friday.

    Does this news mean you from NL? Wishful thinking on my part to think I am
    not alone here? =)

    L8er
    oP

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  • From Ogg@21:4/106.21 to opicron on Fri Dec 10 20:06:00 2021
    Hello opicron!

    ** On Friday 10.12.21 - 14:26, opicron wrote to Adept:

    Actually meant for Ogg

    "The Netherlands will be "effectively closed" in the
    evenings from Sunday - with bars, restaurants and
    shops shutting between 5pm and 5am, PM Mark Rutte
    announced Friday.

    Does this news mean you from NL? Wishful thinking on my
    part to think I am not alone here? =)

    No.. I am not settled in NL. I've been spotted in Italy, AUS,
    Finland and western Canada from time to time though! :D

    The news of strict shutdowns at 5p seemed early to me. People
    who get off work only at 5p might have a problem.


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  • From opicron@21:3/126 to Ogg on Sun Dec 12 10:20:44 2021
    Does this news mean you from NL? Wishful thinking on my
    part to think I am not alone here? =)
    No.. I am not settled in NL. I've been spotted in Italy, AUS,
    Finland and western Canada from time to time though! :D
    The news of strict shutdowns at 5p seemed early to me. People
    who get off work only at 5p might have a problem.

    Yeah shutdown for non-essential commerce from 17:00. Medical and supermarkets still open regular hours. So hairdressers, events and horeca suffer the most
    in this case.

    Its probably going to be prolonged after the 18th of December because the numbers are finally going down again.

    oP!

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  • From Adept@21:2/108 to opicron on Sun Dec 12 19:06:26 2021
    "The Netherlands will be "effectively closed" in the evenings from Sunday - with bars, restaurants and shops shutting between 5pm and 5am, PM Mark Rutte announced Friday.

    Does this news mean you from NL? Wishful thinking on my part to think I
    am not alone here? =)

    I guess you were more aiming at talking to Ogg, but I think Ogg lives in Canadia.

    I live in Muenster, NRW, so I'm not far from the border (well, by American standards, anyway, where nothing is close and/or it takes as long to drive partway across a city as it'd make me to get to NL), but far enough that I do wonder if I'd had to follow additional regulations after visiting.

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  • From opicron@21:3/126 to Adept on Mon Dec 13 14:51:32 2021
    Does this news mean you from NL? Wishful thinking on my part to think am not alone here? =)

    I guess you were more aiming at talking to Ogg, but I think Ogg lives in Canadia.
    Yeah -- my rJAM implementation doesnt have forward message build in yet =).
    So I was lazy and just hit reply ;).

    I live in Muenster, NRW, so I'm not far from the border (well, by American
    standards, anyway, where nothing is close and/or it takes as long to drive
    So true, in Netherlands, everything is maximum 3-4 hour drive. Especially for me living in the smack middle of NL.

    partway across a city as it'd make me to get to NL), but far enough that I wonder if I'd had to follow additional regulations after visiting.
    Not sure myself even ^^. Love to see some EU people here. Less abundant nevertheless.

    Catch you l8er,
    oP

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