• The haps

    From Avon@21:1/101 to All on Fri Dec 11 17:18:18 2020
    So what's everyone up to these days?

    I'm wading through the final days of the working year before I take a bit of time off.

    Have to take my daughter into the hospital for some day surgery next week.

    Lawns are in desperate need of some TLC and I am procrastinating on doing
    some BBS related things too.

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  • From apam@21:1/126 to Avon on Fri Dec 11 17:24:28 2020
    Have to take my daughter into the hospital for some day surgery next
    week.

    Hope she's ok.

    So what's everyone up to these days?

    Been playing Lord of the Rings online a little, also seem to have gotten
    tic file processing working in postie.

    Lawns are in desperate need of some TLC and I am procrastinating on
    doing
    some BBS related things too.

    One thing I hate doing. Walking around in circles pushing a mower. So
    glad we don't have to do that here. Strata takes care of the lawns /
    gardening :)

    I switched over my HappyLand 2.0 BBS from a plain raspberry pi 3 to a
    raspberry pi 3 with RTC & M2 SSD. So now I have the home directory
    mounted as a 128Gb SSD and the downloads directory as a 1Tb usb HDD. I'm
    hoping with just the main OS on the SD card it will last longer.

    Turned off my WWIV BBS for the time being, as we're trying to cut back on spending, and running a windows pc 24/7 was kind of unneeded. I may set
    it up again on a Pi, but have to many other things to do for the time
    being.

    Well, glad fsxnet is back up and running :) for a while I thought I might
    have broken my setup lol.

    Hope all goes well tomorrow. Will be thinking of you guys.

    Andrew

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  • From Arelor@21:2/138 to apam on Fri Dec 11 03:18:42 2020
    Re: The haps
    By: apam to Avon on Fri Dec 11 2020 05:24 pm

    One thing I hate doing. Walking around in circles pushing a mower. So
    glad we don't have to do that here. Strata takes care of the lawns / gardening :)

    I don't think it is that bad. When I was a kid I was the one doing it at home. You got to do exercise for two to three hours and then family gave you a symbolic tip :-)

    I know I sound like a broken record, but if you have issues with your lawn mowing you should get a horse, donkey or goat. They do a great job with the added benefit of providing love when you are close to the breaking point.
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  • From apam@21:1/182 to Arelor on Fri Dec 11 20:37:24 2020
    I know I sound like a broken record, but if you have issues with your
    lawn
    mowing you should get a horse, donkey or goat. They do a great job
    with the
    added benefit of providing love when you are close to the breaking
    point.

    I don't have issues with lawn mowing, as I said the strata do that, and
    we aren't allowed pets here, I can't have a cat or a dog let alone a
    horse, donkey or goat.

    Where I used to live, I had chickens, they kept the grass down pretty
    good.

    Andrew


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  • From Arelor@21:2/138 to apam on Fri Dec 11 06:17:44 2020
    Re: The haps
    By: apam to Arelor on Fri Dec 11 2020 08:37 pm

    I know I sound like a broken record, but if you have issues with your lawn
    mowing you should get a horse, donkey or goat. They do a great job
    with the
    added benefit of providing love when you are close to the breaking
    point.

    I don't have issues with lawn mowing, as I said the strata do that, and
    we aren't allowed pets here, I can't have a cat or a dog let alone a
    horse, donkey or goat.

    Where I used to live, I had chickens, they kept the grass down pretty
    good.

    Andrew

    Argh, a petless place is a place with no soul.

    Chickens sound fine. I should bring some here, but there are lots of predators who would love a good chicken for lunch and I don't feel like taking the time to secure the place.
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  • From Rushfan@21:2/115 to Avon on Fri Dec 11 14:30:54 2020
    BY: Avon(21:1/101)


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    |11A|09> |10time off.|07

    Same here on the final push of the year to get things done, always a super hectic time.


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    |11A|09> |10week.|07

    Best wishes for you and your family and a successful surgery and swift recovery.

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  • From Charles Pierson@21:2/101 to Avon on Fri Dec 11 09:16:48 2020
    Hello, Avon.
    On 12/10/20 10:18 PM you wrote:

    So what's everyone up to these days?

    I'm job hunting. Made more complicated by the fact that my wife is
    recovering from major surgery, and I have to be available to get her to
    any appointments.

    I'm also putting off much needed lawn maintenance, and several other
    projects I need to do.

    On a happier note, my 15th grandchild was born a few weeks ago.

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  • From Blue White@21:4/134 to Arelor on Fri Dec 11 10:15:22 2020
    Arelor wrote to apam <=-

    I know I sound like a broken record, but if you have issues with your
    lawn mowing you should get a horse, donkey or goat. They do a great job with the added benefit of providing love when you are close to the breaking point. --

    Spanish goats and donkeys must be more affectionate than their counterparts
    in the Americas. They are not known for being very loving here, especially
    the goats. :)



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  • From Bob Roberts@21:2/118 to apam on Fri Dec 11 10:39:10 2020
    I don't have issues with lawn mowing, as I said the strata do that, and
    we aren't allowed pets here, I can't have a cat or a dog let alone a horse, donkey or goat.

    What is "the strata"? I googled it and it says Strata is a Layered Breakfast Casserole consisting of bread, eggs, cheese, meat and vegetables.

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  • From Adept@21:2/108 to Blue White on Fri Dec 11 19:29:52 2020
    Spanish goats and donkeys must be more affectionate than their counterparts in the Americas. They are not known for being very loving here, especially the goats. :)

    I view goats as being animals that walk up to you and make sure to let you
    know that you can feed them, now.

    They seemed pretty delightful to me, in general.

    But I doubt I'll be getting a pet anytime soon, even if I hope I'll wind up doing some pet sitting.

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  • From Al@21:4/106.1 to Bob Roberts on Fri Dec 11 11:44:36 2020
    Re: The haps
    By: Bob Roberts to apam on Fri Dec 11 2020 10:39 am

    What is "the strata"? I googled it and it says Strata is a Layered Breakfast Casserole consisting of bread, eggs, cheese, meat and vegetables.

    A strata is in charge of the common areas of a property, like an apartment complex. Sometimes there can be an elected strata council.

    Most of the time that is simple enough and works well, as long as whoever is in charge of the strata is competent and doesn't forget things like insurance. If they do and there is some kind of need for insurance and there isn't any the owners of the units in the strata can be left to cover the costs.

    Ttyl :-),
    Al

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  • From Avon@21:1/101 to apam on Sat Dec 12 09:54:58 2020
    On 11 Dec 2020 at 05:24p, apam pondered and said...

    Been playing Lord of the Rings online a little, also seem to have gotten tic file processing working in postie.

    I'm still (very slowly) bashing my way though a online form I am trying to build. I keep putting it off as it's a PITA to build it / learn the code etc. I'm not feeling very motivated but each time I force myself to do a bit I am learning stuff and it's rewarding.

    One thing I hate doing. Walking around in circles pushing a mower. So
    glad we don't have to do that here. Strata takes care of the lawns / gardening :)

    Mine is a mess, needs weekly mowing and it's coming up two weeks. I'm hoping tomorrow I will get it done but the weather is iffy at the moment. Feels
    almost like winter again. Nutty.

    I switched over my HappyLand 2.0 BBS from a plain raspberry pi 3 to a raspberry pi 3 with RTC & M2 SSD. So now I have the home directory
    mounted as a 128Gb SSD and the downloads directory as a 1Tb usb HDD. I'm hoping with just the main OS on the SD card it will last longer.

    RTC? , the use of the SSD sounds good. I have not moved to using the Pi for a BBS as I worry about SD failure etc. but agree the power savings would be
    good.

    Turned off my WWIV BBS for the time being, as we're trying to cut back on spending, and running a windows pc 24/7 was kind of unneeded. I may set
    it up again on a Pi, but have to many other things to do for the time being.

    OK :)

    Well, glad fsxnet is back up and running :) for a while I thought I might have broken my setup lol.

    Yes it's something in the polling jamming on some nodes then MUTIL won't run tossing as Mystic still thinks it's polling. I poked it and it seems to be OK for now.

    Hope all goes well tomorrow. Will be thinking of you guys.

    The hospital stuff is not until next week, but thanks for the kind thoughts :)

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  • From Avon@21:1/101 to Rushfan on Sat Dec 12 09:57:32 2020
    On 11 Dec 2020 at 02:30p, Rushfan pondered and said...

    Same here on the final push of the year to get things done, always a
    super hectic time.

    It's nutty eh? You kinda end up flogging yourself so you can then collapse in
    a heap and have a few days off. Phew.

    Best wishes for you and your family and a successful surgery and swift recovery.

    Thanks, she will be staying with us for a few nights next week while she recovers. It's preventative surgery to avoid a risk of things turning
    cancerous so it's a good move to get stuff done this side of Christmas.

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  • From Bob Roberts@21:2/118 to Al on Fri Dec 11 12:59:06 2020
    What is "the strata"? I googled it and it says Strata is a Layered
    Breakfast Casserole consisting of bread, eggs, cheese, meat and
    vegetables.

    A strata is in charge of the common areas of a property, like an apartment complex. Sometimes there can be an elected strata council.

    I see. Over here in the US we call that a "Homeowners Association" or "HOA". Certain homes have an HOA attached to them that collects dues in order to maintain common property. I'm actually on the board of my HOA or strata council... maybe I'll refer to us as a Strata in our next meeting and see what happens. :-)



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  • From Warpslide@21:3/110 to Avon on Fri Dec 11 16:26:40 2020
    On 12 Dec 2020, Avon said the following...

    RTC? , the use of the SSD sounds good. I have not moved to using the Pi for aBBS as I worry about SD failure etc. but agree the power savings would begood.

    Real Time Clock. I have one of those around here somewhere for the Pi just never got around to installing it. I'm not sure how much benefit it would be to a Pi just running the BBS when NTP sets the time on boot.

    I have my Pi set to boot direct from USB, no SD card even inserted. I was surprised how much faster everything seems booting from USB rather than an SD card.

    Apam, what are the advantages of the RTC? I have one here that I could plug into the GPIO. It's a DS1307 made by Adafruit. It takes a CR1220 battery which it didn't come with, so I'd need to find one of those.

    I did one hell of a soldering job on it though, I really need to learn how to solder properly...

    Jay

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  • From Arelor@21:2/138 to Blue White on Fri Dec 11 16:09:34 2020
    Re: Re: The haps
    By: Blue White to Arelor on Fri Dec 11 2020 10:15 am

    Arelor wrote to apam <=-

    I know I sound like a broken record, but if you have issues with your lawn mowing you should get a horse, donkey or goat. They do a great job with the added benefit of providing love when you are close to the breaking point. --

    Spanish goats and donkeys must be more affectionate than their counterparts in the Americas. They are not known for being very loving here, especially the goats. :)



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    Donkeys here are like big stuffed, cute toys who want petting and love no end! They are mostly breed by enthusiasts nowadays, so I think they get soft from receiving so much love from their owners.

    Goats, it depends. The ones that spend quality time with humans tend to be warm. Your average farm goat whose contact with humans is getting moved from a pasture to the next, far less so.

    It was actually a little donkey who sucked me into loving equines. I was a kid having a walk in Asturias (which must be the donkey capital in the world) and this donkey walked to the fence of his field and started asking me for pats as I walked by. It was super sweet. Then his mom and dad showed up and wanted more petting themselves, and my fate was settled.
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  • From Avon@21:1/101 to Charles Pierson on Sat Dec 12 12:09:04 2020
    On 11 Dec 2020 at 09:16a, Charles Pierson pondered and said...

    I'm job hunting. Made more complicated by the fact that my wife is recovering from major surgery, and I have to be available to get her to any appointments.

    Good luck to you. I know of several looking for work right now and I'm keenly aware it's not the easiest / best of times for many. So sending you best
    wishes and any support I can for afar.

    I hope this note find your wife improving after her surgery and feeling
    better today. Mine is looking at getting some done in the coming year, it may be sinus and/or knee related (or both) but for now it's on hold as she's
    still dealing with selling her mums house etc. it's been a heck of a yeah
    for all of us around the globe eh?

    I'm also putting off much needed lawn maintenance, and several other projects I need to do.

    Join the club, I'm trying to work on a sign up form for fsxNet and have a ton of other BBS stuff to do but at the end of the workday and in the weekends my energy levels seems quite low at the moment to face any of it. Yet I know I want to get stuff done etc. It's just making the effort and not blobbing in front of YouTube etc. instead - ha!

    On a happier note, my 15th grandchild was born a few weeks ago.

    Congrats! That's cool news.

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  • From apam@21:1/182 to Bob Roberts on Sat Dec 12 10:40:12 2020
    What is "the strata"? I googled it and it says Strata is a Layered Breakfast Casserole consisting of bread, eggs, cheese, meat and
    vegetables.

    They are the organization that looks after the block of units. The units
    are all owned by different people, and strata takes care of the common
    areas and external things, where as the owners take care of internal
    things.

    Andrew


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  • From apam@21:1/182 to Avon on Sat Dec 12 10:44:12 2020
    RTC? , the use of the SSD sounds good. I have not moved to using the

    Real time clock, it's got a little battery and keeps the time when the pi
    is off.

    The hospital stuff is not until next week, but thanks for the kind
    thoughts :)

    Yeah, I read that again after I posted, but guessed you'd figure out what
    I was talking about ;P

    Andrew


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  • From apam@21:1/182 to Warpslide on Sat Dec 12 10:49:04 2020
    Apam, what are the advantages of the RTC? I have one here that I
    could plug into the GPIO. It's a DS1307 made by Adafruit. It takes a CR1220 battery which it didn't come with, so I'd need to find one of
    those.

    No idea, my "case" came with a board that has msata and a realtime clock
    on it, so to use the sata, I also get the RTC.

    it's for a pi 3, I bought it a while back from element 14 I think. I'd
    really like to get one of those Argon One M2 cases for the pi 4 with m2
    sata support. But, they're a bit too expensive for the time being.

    Andrew


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  • From Gamgee@21:2/138 to Avon on Fri Dec 11 19:49:00 2020
    Avon wrote to apam <=-

    I switched over my HappyLand 2.0 BBS from a plain raspberry pi 3 to a raspberry pi 3 with RTC & M2 SSD. So now I have the home directory
    mounted as a 128Gb SSD and the downloads directory as a 1Tb usb HDD. I'm hoping with just the main OS on the SD card it will last longer.

    RTC? , the use of the SSD sounds good. I have not moved to using
    the Pi for a BBS as I worry about SD failure etc. but agree the
    power savings would be good.

    On a Pi 4, you can forget about using an SD card altogether. Very
    easily configured to boot/run from a hard disk (HDD or SSD). I have
    one running (not the BBS) 24x7 with a 500GB SSD, which is in a powered enclosure connected via USB 3 to the Pi. With 4GB of RAM and that
    SSD, it's quite a capable little computer.



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  • From paulie420@21:2/150 to apam on Fri Dec 11 17:01:52 2020
    Turned off my WWIV BBS for the time being, as we're trying to cut back on spending, and running a windows pc 24/7 was kind of unneeded. I may set
    it up again on a Pi, but have to many other things to do for the time being.

    Where does the cost of running it come from? The electricity or... ?



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  • From Avon@21:1/101 to Gamgee on Sat Dec 12 17:31:56 2020
    On 11 Dec 2020 at 07:49p, Gamgee pondered and said...

    On a Pi 4, you can forget about using an SD card altogether. Very
    easily configured to boot/run from a hard disk (HDD or SSD). I have
    one running (not the BBS) 24x7 with a 500GB SSD, which is in a powered enclosure connected via USB 3 to the Pi. With 4GB of RAM and that
    SSD, it's quite a capable little computer.

    If I could find time and $$ to experiment with options for the Pi and feel confident it would be reliable and work well then I'd certainly look
    seriously at moving some BBS related things to it.

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  • From apam@21:1/182 to paulie420 on Sat Dec 12 14:53:30 2020
    Where does the cost of running it come from? The electricity or... ?

    Yeah, electricity.

    Andrew


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  • From Arelor@21:2/138 to apam on Sat Dec 12 03:25:04 2020
    Re: Re: The haps
    By: apam to paulie420 on Sat Dec 12 2020 02:53 pm

    Where does the cost of running it come from? The electricity or... ?

    Yeah, electricity.

    Andrew

    I have found that if you run a "serious" hobby server, the costs of hardware and Internet connectivity also pile up quite fast.

    If you run over an Uninterrupted Power Supply that is an expensive piece of hardware you have to replace every 4 years, and that is being generous :-(
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  • From Blue White@21:4/134 to Adept on Sat Dec 12 08:42:18 2020
    Adept wrote to Blue White <=-

    I view goats as being animals that walk up to you and make sure to let
    you know that you can feed them, now.

    They seemed pretty delightful to me, in general.

    I do like them. Most of my experience comes from farm and wild goats. Be ready to be head-butted if you invade their personal space when you are not wanted. :)

    But I doubt I'll be getting a pet anytime soon, even if I hope I'll
    wind up doing some pet sitting.

    Pet ones may learn to be a little less territorial. Even with the farm
    goats, I enjoy that they have their own personality.


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  • From Blue White@21:4/134 to Arelor on Sat Dec 12 08:46:04 2020
    Arelor wrote to Blue White <=-

    Donkeys here are like big stuffed, cute toys who want petting and love
    no end! They are mostly breed by enthusiasts nowadays, so I think they
    get soft from receiving so much love from their owners.

    I may be doing them a disservice. In my mind, I think I lump them together with their mule cousins. :)

    Goats, it depends. The ones that spend quality time with humans tend to
    be warm. Your average farm goat whose contact with humans is getting
    moved from a pasture to the next, far less so.

    My experience would be mostly with farm goats, a very little with wild
    ones. I do like that they seem to have a personality of their own, unlike cattle, even if they are mean ones. :)

    It was actually a little donkey who sucked me into loving equines. I
    was a kid having a walk in Asturias (which must be the donkey capital
    in the world) and this donkey walked to the fence of his field and
    started asking me for pats as I walked by. It was super sweet. Then his mom and dad showed up and wanted more petting themselves, and my fate
    was settled. --

    That is nice. I have much less experience with donkeys vs. goats (and not
    a great deal there). I am guessing that the better the donkey is treated
    the more friendly it is with strangers.



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  • From Adept@21:2/108 to Blue White on Sat Dec 12 17:03:58 2020
    I do like them. Most of my experience comes from farm and wild goats.
    Be ready to be head-butted if you invade their personal space when you
    are not wanted. :)

    Oh, so _that's_ how I should respond if I think they really should move away
    a bit...

    Pet ones may learn to be a little less territorial. Even with the farm goats, I enjoy that they have their own personality.

    They do seem to be smart, which is part of why I like them.

    Not quite sure how that happened, since humans were _really_ good at breeding the intelligence out of sheep.

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  • From poindexter FORTRAN@21:4/122 to Avon on Sat Dec 12 08:57:00 2020
    Avon wrote to All <=-

    So what's everyone up to these days?

    I spent all of last week driving into work every day, and I've gotten
    spoiled from working at home - and traffic now is a fraction of what
    it used to be!

    I've completed an office move; it's a nice space. When people finally
    end up going back into the office, it'll be nice. The desks are packed
    in rows, for some time we'll need to have a blended office and 25%
    occupancy, then work a hybrid WFH/office environment. This pandemic
    has finally put to rest those "people can't work from home if I can't
    see them at their desk" management types, and people have learned to
    include remote team members into meetings now that we're all remote. I
    hope those lessons stick, and we learn from this pandemic.



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  • From poindexter FORTRAN@21:4/122 to Al on Sat Dec 12 08:59:00 2020
    Al wrote to Bob Roberts <=-

    whoever is in charge of the strata is competent and doesn't forget
    things like insurance. If they do and there is some kind of need for insurance and there isn't any the owners of the units in the strata can
    be left to cover the costs.

    Around here they'd turn around and sue the strata personally for negligence.

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  • From poindexter FORTRAN@21:4/122 to Avon on Sat Dec 12 09:01:00 2020
    Avon wrote to Gamgee <=-

    If I could find time and $$ to experiment with options for the Pi and
    feel confident it would be reliable and work well then I'd certainly
    look seriously at moving some BBS related things to it.

    I put a Pi Zero W on my Christmas wish list, just because...

    I have a Proxmox server set up as a home lab and don't need it, but
    looks like a fun cheap little toy. I might move my pi-hole to it.



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  • From poindexter FORTRAN@21:4/122 to Arelor on Sat Dec 12 09:07:00 2020
    Arelor wrote to apam <=-

    I have found that if you run a "serious" hobby server, the costs of hardware and Internet connectivity also pile up quite fast.

    That's the beauty of a non-serious server. :)

    If you run over an Uninterrupted Power Supply that is an expensive
    piece of hardware you have to replace every 4 years, and that is being generous

    I have a bashed up Thinkpad with an i7 processor and 16GB of RAM,
    $100. 1TB SATA drive, think I paid $40. Cast off space-saver USB
    keyboard since the laptop keyboard is inop, free.

    It's running Proxmox, with a handful of VMs running nicely on it.

    Laptop = Built-in UPS, but I'm also running on a 4 year-old $50
    Cyberpower 550 UPS. Just bought my first replacement battery for
    $18.50 on Amazon.

    My Netgear Nighthawk router has a USB 3.0 port, it's sharing an 8TB
    drive that I back up my systems to, and am working on getting NFS
    working to let Proxmox use it instead of CIFS.

    I need to get my power meter and figure out how much power the whole
    kit uses, but I'm sure it's less than the generic desktop systems
    I've used in the past, and is a lot more flexible.




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  • From Gamgee@21:2/138 to Avon on Sat Dec 12 11:12:00 2020
    Avon wrote to Gamgee <=-

    On a Pi 4, you can forget about using an SD card altogether. Very
    easily configured to boot/run from a hard disk (HDD or SSD). I have
    one running (not the BBS) 24x7 with a 500GB SSD, which is in a powered enclosure connected via USB 3 to the Pi. With 4GB of RAM and that
    SSD, it's quite a capable little computer.

    If I could find time and $$ to experiment with options for the Pi
    and feel confident it would be reliable and work well then I'd
    certainly look seriously at moving some BBS related things to it.

    Yep, it takes a little time, and a little cash, but... not too much,
    really.

    As for reliable and working well, I've had one running for 2+ years
    with zero problems. Others can confirm similar results. Really there
    are no issues there. I don't run my BBS on one because I want to run
    old DOS doors, which is problematic on a Pi, but many folks are
    running BBS's on them. Maybe something for you to dabble with next
    year, when you run out of other projects... ;-)



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  • From Al@21:4/106.1 to poindexter FORTRAN on Sat Dec 12 10:52:10 2020
    Re: Re: The haps
    By: poindexter FORTRAN to Al on Sat Dec 12 2020 08:59 am

    Around here they'd turn around and sue the strata personally for negligence.

    There is a lot of that (suing) going on these days.

    I have never been part of a starta or HMO but years ago my aunt was. She ended up with a $36,000 bill for whatever it was that happened I forget now. All the owners in that building got a similar bill.

    It was unexpected and there was nobody to sue, pay your bill was the only option.

    Ttyl :-),
    Al

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  • From Arelor@21:2/138 to Blue White on Sat Dec 12 13:40:30 2020
    Re: Re: The haps
    By: Blue White to Arelor on Sat Dec 12 2020 08:46 am

    It was actually a little donkey who sucked me into loving equines. I was a kid having a walk in Asturias (which must be the donkey capital in the world) and this donkey walked to the fence of his field and started asking me for pats as I walked by. It was super sweet. Then his mom and dad showed up and wanted more petting themselves, and my fate was settled. --

    That is nice. I have much less experience with donkeys vs. goats (and not
    a great deal there). I am guessing that the better the donkey is treated the more friendly it is with strangers.

    Yup, the kind of human attention a donkey gets really seems to condition him. It is the same with horses. My horses want to befriend everybody.

    Something that happens to equines is that if they live alone (ie no other animal in their pen) they get desperate for company unless they have been badly mistreated. My neighbour used to have a small herd but sold most of his horses because he is getting too old to do barn work. He only kept the two he loved the most. When one of those died of extreme old age, the other fell into depresion.

    I try to pay him a visit everytime I can, but it is getting tricky becase he does not want the visit to be over, ever. He'll grab you if he thinks you are going to go, put himself between you and the gate, and show his most sorrofwul expresion. The owner spends some time everyday with him but a horse really needs a friend o spend most of his time with.
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  • From Bob Roberts@21:2/118 to Al on Sat Dec 12 11:58:34 2020
    I have never been part of a starta or HMO but years ago my aunt was. She ended up with a $36,000 bill for whatever it was that happened I forget now. All the owners in that building got a similar bill.

    This sounds like a Special Assessment, and is unfortunatly a real possibility as all owners share in the cost of building repairs. Depending on the CC&Rs of the HOA, a vote of the memebership may be required before a special assessment can be required. Usually its assessed for building repairs, code upgrades, etc. For a high-rise, or multi-unit condo building they can be expensive. A responsible owner will review Assessment history before buying into an HOA.

    In California there are various laws which require the HOA to maintain a Reserve account which must be of a certain amount based on the value of the HOA property. A well funded reserve account prevents the need for special assessment. Part of monthly dues funds the Reserves. There are also other funding options available to most HOAs which can include loans secured by common property.

    One of the biggest challenges of a responsible HOA Board is to balance the need to fund the Reserves, fund Operation costs, fund ongoing maintenance, and keep assessments low. Since high assessments piss off homeowners, but so does poor maintenance, and you never know who will show up at the next meeting to scream at the Board.

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  • From Bob Roberts@21:2/118 to Arelor on Sat Dec 12 12:01:24 2020
    I try to pay him a visit everytime I can, but it is getting tricky becase he does not want the visit to be over, ever. He'll grab you if he thinks you are going to go, put himself between you and the gate, and show his most sorrofwul expresion. The owner spends some time everyday with him but a horse really needs a friend o spend most of his time with.

    I have read that often a dog will be a good friend to a horse? Is this true?

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  • From Al@21:4/106.1 to Bob Roberts on Sat Dec 12 12:21:04 2020
    Re: Re: The haps
    By: Bob Roberts to Al on Sat Dec 12 2020 11:58 am

    This sounds like a Special Assessment, and is unfortunatly a real possibility as all owners share in the cost of building repairs.

    In her case it was costs associated with repairs that were needed because of corners cut and unnoticed when the building was built. Nobody in the building saw it coming and it was leaking all over the place. It required repairs and a new roof.

    One of the biggest challenges of a responsible HOA Board is to balance the need to fund the Reserves, fund Operation costs, fund ongoing maintenance, and keep assessments low. Since high assessments piss off homeowners, but so does poor maintenance, and you never know who will show up at the next meeting to scream at the Board.

    Agreed. When something so expensive surprises folks that way they may look for someone to point the finger at.

    Ttyl :-),
    Al

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  • From Avon@21:1/101 to poindexter FORTRAN on Sun Dec 13 09:27:48 2020
    On 12 Dec 2020 at 08:57a, poindexter FORTRAN pondered and said...

    I spent all of last week driving into work every day, and I've gotten spoiled from working at home - and traffic now is a fraction of what
    it used to be!

    I've been working in the office each day also. This is a departure from me working two days a week at home. I started back in the office fulltime as the vibe I was getting from my team leader was the days of working from home were soon to become the exception rather than the norm.

    Not sure I'm 100% happy about that but as we roll into Christmas and the workloads ramp up I'm happy enough to be in the office just to be able to
    keep on top of stuff etc.

    I've completed an office move; it's a nice space. When people finally
    end up going back into the office, it'll be nice. The desks are packed
    in rows, for some time we'll need to have a blended office and 25% occupancy, then work a hybrid WFH/office environment. This pandemic

    Sounds like my office, big rectangular shaped room, pods of 5 desks, four facing each other with a partition in the middle of them and one desk at the end. We have 20 in our room. It works surprisingly well. When they 'repacked' it I was skeptical but have realized it works quite well.

    occupancy, then work a hybrid WFH/office environment. This pandemic
    has finally put to rest those "people can't work from home if I can't
    see them at their desk" management types, and people have learned to include remote team members into meetings now that we're all remote. I hope those lessons stick, and we learn from this pandemic.

    I fear in my workplace they won't learn... time will tell.

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  • From Avon@21:1/101 to poindexter FORTRAN on Sun Dec 13 09:28:34 2020
    On 12 Dec 2020 at 09:01a, poindexter FORTRAN pondered and said...

    I put a Pi Zero W on my Christmas wish list, just because...

    I'd like to play with the Pi 400 the idea of an all in one system with
    keyboard appeals to my childhood memories of using a ZX81 :)

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  • From Avon@21:1/101 to Gamgee on Sun Dec 13 09:29:40 2020
    On 12 Dec 2020 at 11:12a, Gamgee pondered and said...

    with zero problems. Others can confirm similar results. Really there are no issues there. I don't run my BBS on one because I want to run
    old DOS doors, which is problematic on a Pi, but many folks are
    running BBS's on them. Maybe something for you to dabble with next
    year, when you run out of other projects... ;-)

    I'll likely do that and (as you do) probably won't run the BBS on it for the same old DOS door reasons... still, never say never eh? :)

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  • From Arelor@21:2/138 to Bob Roberts on Sat Dec 12 19:19:40 2020
    Re: Re: The haps
    By: Bob Roberts to Arelor on Sat Dec 12 2020 12:01 pm

    I try to pay him a visit everytime I can, but it is getting tricky beca he does not want the visit to be over, ever. He'll grab you if he think you are going to go, put himself between you and the gate, and show his most sorrofwul expresion. The owner spends some time everyday with him a horse really needs a friend o spend most of his time with.

    I have read that often a dog will be a good friend to a horse? Is this true

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    I don't think so.

    They can coexist but most often the horse or donkey won't like the dog that much. Dogs are too nervous and noisy for their taste, I think. I certainly would not get a dog for making a horse company. Sheep and goats are much better for that. ANother neighbor has a donkey with some sheep and the sheep really love the donkey. They have him as the beloved king of the heard. Whenever he goes to sleep all the sheep cuddle up around the donkey tryig to sleep as close to him as possible hahaha.
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  • From Blue White@21:4/134 to Adept on Sun Dec 13 09:00:22 2020
    Adept wrote to Blue White <=-

    Not quite sure how that happened, since humans were _really_ good at breeding the intelligence out of sheep.

    Goats are probably more stubborn than sheep. :)


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  • From vorlon@21:1/196 to Blue White on Sun Dec 20 21:55:02 2020
    On 13 Dec 2020, Blue White said the following...

    Not quite sure how that happened, since humans were _really_ good at breeding the intelligence out of sheep.

    Goats are probably more stubborn than sheep. :)

    Goats have attitude and sheep are dumb. ^-)

    Used to have a goat growing up, and it was like a small bull but with big horns. The thing would always run at people and try to get them.


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  • From Ogg@21:4/106.21 to vorlon on Sun Dec 20 09:04:00 2020
    Hello vorlon!

    ** On Sunday 20.12.20 - 21:55, vorlon wrote to Blue White:

    Goats have attitude and sheep are dumb. ^-)

    Used to have a goat growing up, and it was like a small
    bull but with big horns. The thing would always run at
    people and try to get them.

    Having raised goats in the past, I found that the little ones
    enjoyed the "push" of the challenge more than the hit. They'd
    like to play king-of-the-hill on the objects that they could
    climb onto and then butt heads to try and push each other like
    playing a tug-o-war.

    Generally the animals are quite friendly and not agressive at
    all. I generally had success training the "run and hit"
    attitude out of them by simply pressing my leg or hand against
    their heads to allow them to push. Then after a few minutes of
    that game, and a good scratch, I'd give them a treat -
    carrots, corn, or whatever they liked. Next time, they
    wouldn't sneak up on anyone for a collision. Instead, they
    would stop as if to want to play the pushing game + the treat
    reward.

    No such luck when when we had older male goats from the stock
    yards that seemed to be allowed to be agressive all the time.

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  • From Blue White@21:4/134 to vorlon on Sun Dec 20 09:55:40 2020
    Goats are probably more stubborn than sheep. :)

    Goats have attitude and sheep are dumb. ^-)

    Yes, they are very different. :)

    Used to have a goat growing up, and it was like a small bull but with
    big horns. The thing would always run at people and try to get them.

    That lines up with some of the rare experiences I have had with them.



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  • From HusTler@21:4/10 to Blue White on Sun Dec 20 15:49:46 2020
    Re: Re: The haps
    By: Blue White to vorlon on Sun Dec 20 2020 09:55 am

    Goats are probably more stubborn than sheep. :)

    Goats have attitude and sheep are dumb. ^-)

    Yes, they are very different. :)

    I love watching "Fainting Goats" ;-)

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  • From vorlon@21:1/195.1 to Ogg on Mon Dec 21 12:01:58 2020
    ** On Sunday 20.12.20 - 21:55, vorlon wrote to Blue White:


    Goats have attitude and sheep are dumb. ^-)

    Used to have a goat growing up, and it was like a small
    bull but with big horns. The thing would always run at
    people and try to get them.

    Having raised goats in the past, I found that the little ones
    enjoyed the "push" of the challenge more than the hit. They'd
    like to play king-of-the-hill on the objects that they could
    climb onto and then butt heads to try and push each other like

    We we got the only one we had it wasn't a kid anymore, so that game
    hadn't been introduced into it's brain. %-(



    Generally the animals are quite friendly and not agressive at

    all. I generally had success training the "run and hit"
    attitude out of them by simply pressing my leg or hand against
    [...]
    wouldn't sneak up on anyone for a collision. Instead, they
    would stop as if to want to play the pushing game + the treat

    It was a long time ago (40 Years), and it had good days and bad. On the
    good it was an excelent goat, on the bad... The devil was posessing it.

    It roamed around the padock with the horses, so thought it was boss.




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  • From vorlon@21:1/195.1 to Blue White on Mon Dec 21 12:03:30 2020
    Goats are probably more stubborn than sheep. :)

    Goats have attitude and sheep are dumb. ^-)

    Yes, they are very different. :)

    Used to have a goat growing up, and it was like a small bull
    but with big horns. The thing would always run at people and
    try to get them.

    That lines up with some of the rare experiences I have had with
    them.

    Oh his good days he was a good goat, but every now and again the devil
    took over... #0(




    \/orlon
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  • From Arelor@21:2/138 to Ogg on Tue Dec 22 10:44:44 2020
    Re: Used to have a goat growing up..
    By: Ogg to vorlon on Sun Dec 20 2020 09:04 am

    Hello vorlon!

    ** On Sunday 20.12.20 - 21:55, vorlon wrote to Blue White:

    Goats have attitude and sheep are dumb. ^-)

    Used to have a goat growing up, and it was like a small
    bull but with big horns. The thing would always run at
    people and try to get them.

    Having raised goats in the past, I found that the little ones
    enjoyed the "push" of the challenge more than the hit. They'd
    like to play king-of-the-hill on the objects that they could
    climb onto and then butt heads to try and push each other like
    playing a tug-o-war.

    Generally the animals are quite friendly and not agressive at
    all. I generally had success training the "run and hit"
    attitude out of them by simply pressing my leg or hand against
    their heads to allow them to push. Then after a few minutes of
    that game, and a good scratch, I'd give them a treat -
    carrots, corn, or whatever they liked. Next time, they
    wouldn't sneak up on anyone for a collision. Instead, they
    would stop as if to want to play the pushing game + the treat
    reward.

    No such luck when when we had older male goats from the stock
    yards that seemed to be allowed to be agressive all the time.

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    That sounds lovely man.

    If I could take care of more animals I would bring goats in :-) And a pig. I have a soft spot for pigs.
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