It seems I am getting sick of namecheap due to their web hosting being somewhat unreliable. I can see maybe once or twice a month where there may be a 10-15 minute downtime due to hardware or software maintence.

Any other options for hosting for under 40/yr


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Any other options for hosting for under 40/yr

Probably need to be more secific. Shared, VPS, dedicated, etc.?

I'm using A2 for shared hosting and I think I ran into one episode of brief downtime over the past year. It's a bit clunkier with configuration and setup because it's all cPanel, but it's better in every other way than the gator, godaddy, and dream that I've used in the past few years.


- Andre
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BY: Andre(21:3/117)

Probably need to be more secific. Shared, VPS, dedicated, etc.?

Shared is ok.


--- WWIV 5.5.1.3261
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Probably need to be more secific. Shared, VPS, dedicated, etc.?

Shared is ok.

I've been through a few, and I pay *way* less than $40/month. Like I said, A2 is more of a hassle to setup, but it's been far more stable and cheaper than the others I've tried.

For people that need a lot of handholding, it's probably not suitable.


- Andre
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On Sun, 13 Mar 2022 11:31:59 -0700
"Utopian Galt" <utopian.galt@21:4/108> wrote:

It seems I am getting sick of namecheap due to their web hosting
being somewhat unreliable. I can see maybe once or twice a month
where there may be a 10-15 minute downtime due to hardware or
software maintence.

Any other options for hosting for under 40/yr

Check out lowendbox.com - you can find some really good deals on your
own VPS so you can install your own web server, modules, anything you
like without being at the mercy of your hosting company.

They have a link for companies that specialize in webhosting, and if
you're not fussy which country your host server is in, you can get some
really good deal.
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End Of The Line BBS - Plano, TX
telnet endofthelinebbs.com 23
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On 13 Mar 22 11:31:59, Utopian Galt said the following to All:

It seems I am getting sick of namecheap due to their web hosting being somewhat unreliable. I can see maybe once or twice a month where there may a 10-15 minute downtime due to hardware or software maintence.

Any other options for hosting for under 40/yr

I'll host for free.

Atreyu

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BY: Nigel Reed(21:2/101)

They have a link for companies that specialize in webhosting, and if
you're not fussy which country your host server is in, you can get some really good deal.

Canada/UK/Poland im inclusive.


--- WWIV 5.5.1.3261
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It seems I am getting sick of namecheap due to their web hosting being somewhat unreliable. I can see maybe once or twice a month where there
may be a 10-15 minute downtime due to hardware or software maintence.

Any other options for hosting for under 40/yr

Buy a Raspberry Pi, and host it yourself? That would only cost about $150 (for a top-end kit, approx $50 for bare-minimum setup) and last practically
forever. Dynamic DNS services can be free, though if you want a specific web address, you'd have to register it for a few dollars a year. Last I checked
it was about $15/yr, but that was at least a decade ago.

Obviously this may not meet your specific needs, but it certainly is possible to do so. http://pibbs.sytes.net is running on the same Pi as PiBBS. Granted, there's nothing but a single landing page.

McDoob
SysOp, PiBBS
pibbs.sytes.net

--- Mystic BBS v1.12 A46 2020/08/26 (Raspberry Pi/32)
* Origin: PiBBS (21:4/135)

Any other options for hosting for under 40/yr

I've been using Digital Ocean, shared VM:

1 CPU / 1GB Memory / 25GB Storage / 1TB Bandwidth

Start at $5 month, I think. Goes up depending on CPUs, etc.


|04a|12LPHA
|03Alpha Complex |15- |11alphacomplex.us:2323

--- Talisman v0.37-dev (Linux/x86_64)
* Origin: You are in Error, fsxNet. No one is screaming. (21:4/158)

Any other options for hosting for under 40/yr

I've been using Digital Ocean, shared VM:

Check out https://895-inet.com/linux-web-hosting/starter if you are interested in a linux platform. $2.75/mo with 30 days trial free.

Mike Dippel

Mike Dippel
Mystic Hobbies BBS
telnet/http mystic-hobbies.us

--- Mystic BBS v1.12 A47 2021/12/25 (Windows/64)
* Origin: Mystic Hobbies BBS (21:4/175)

Utopian Galt wrote to All <=-

It seems I am getting sick of namecheap due to their web hosting being somewhat unreliable. I can see maybe once or twice a month where there
may be a 10-15 minute downtime due to hardware or software maintence.

Any other options for hosting for under 40/yr

Depends on what you need. Dreamhost starts with Wordpress hosting for $1.99. I've been with their shared hosting for close to 10 years now.

If you want to check them out, please use this link:

https://www.dreamhost.com/r.cgi?98203

and I'll get a spiff. :)




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* Origin: realitycheckBBS.org -- information is power. (21:4/122)

Depends on what you need. Dreamhost starts with Wordpress hosting for $1.99. I've been with their shared hosting for close to 10 years now.

They have the best administrative interface out of all the ones I've tried. But the slowness and unexpected downtime, and then the price hike after the first year, made me go elsewhere.


- Andre
--- SBBSecho 3.15-Linux
* Origin: Radio Mentor BBS - bbs.radiomentor.org (21:3/117)

Any other options for hosting for under 40/yr

^^^^^^^^^^^

I've been using Digital Ocean, shared VM:
Start at $5 month, I think. Goes up depending on CPUs, etc.

$5 x 12 months is 50% *more* than $40/yr. Just pointing that out...

McDoob
SysOp, PiBBS
pibbs.sytes.net

--- Mystic BBS v1.12 A46 2020/08/26 (Raspberry Pi/32)
* Origin: PiBBS (21:4/135)

$5 x 12 months is 50% *more* than $40/yr. Just pointing that out...

I didn't even catch that it was /year and not /month. I wouldn't even know where to start unless I was buying a base tier with like two years up front.


- Andre
--- SBBSecho 3.15-Linux
* Origin: Radio Mentor BBS - bbs.radiomentor.org (21:3/117)

$5 x 12 months is 50% *more* than $40/yr. Just pointing that out...

I didn't even catch that it was /year and not /month. I wouldn't even
know where to start unless I was buying a base tier with like two years
up front.

Easy enough mistake to make... (^_^)

That's one reason why I suggested building a server on a Pi. After the initial payout, the running costs are effectively zero. After all, you'd need internet and electricity to interact with a hosted server too. If you run it for four years only, even the top end setups would be less than $40/yr. If you go to, say, ten years...it's more like $20/yr, or less...Heck, if you're extra frugal, and just buy a bare board Pi Zero W and a microSD card, it could be less than $40 *in that first year*!

Another, more important (at least to me) reason is, it's not somebody else's server. Nobody but the owner can take it down, break it, or otherwise make it unuseable. Nobody but the owner can say what is or is not acceptable content in that server, either. Personally, that's a big difference, and why I wouldn't use a hosted server myself.

Naturally, there are drawbacks. It is often (far) easier to slap a Wordpress site onto a pre-configured server than it is to build a webserver literally from the ground-plane up. What you save in money, you'll probably wind up spending in time (and effort) instead.

And, it may not be easily possible to achieve the goals intended when working with a Pi (especially older models), depending on those specific goals. A simple website, and a 128-player FPS game server are not at all the same.
There are limits to these little guys, though those limits are often being stretched...

As always, it depends on personal need. Do I need specific features that
aren't availiable on a Pi-based home server? Do I have the skills/time/resources to do it myself, and is it worth investing these? Is
*my* internet more stable than that of a host? Does my ISP even *allow* home servers (some don't)?

It may very well be that my suggestion doesn't make any sense, when the OP considers all the factors...or, maybe it will make perfect sense...

McDoob
SysOp, PiBBS
pibbs.sytes.net

--- Mystic BBS v1.12 A46 2020/08/26 (Raspberry Pi/32)
* Origin: PiBBS (21:4/135)

Andre wrote to McDoob <=-

I didn't even catch that it was /year and not /month. I wouldn't even
know where to start unless I was buying a base tier with like two years
up front.

Lowendbox.com. I've gotten a $12/year VPS (512 mb RAM, 40 MB disk) and a 5GB RAM, 100GB disk VPS for $55/year by watching LEB and jumping on deals when they're announced.


... It is simply a matter of work
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McDoob wrote to Andre <=-

Naturally, there are drawbacks. It is often (far) easier to slap a Wordpress site onto a pre-configured server than it is to build a webserver literally from the ground-plane up. What you save in money, you'll probably wind up spending in time (and effort) instead.

Wordpress is overkill for most blogs, IMO. I'd like to see something like Blosxom simplified - enter text using a text editor on the box, and have a script read and format them. There are a couple of options out there, like bashblog. I'm using it on my tilde.





... It is simply a matter of work
--- MultiMail/DOS v0.52
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Wordpress is overkill for most blogs, IMO. I'd like to see something
like Blosxom simplified - enter text using a text editor on the box,
and have a script read and format them. There are a couple of options
out there, like bashblog. I'm using it on my tilde.

Please keep the practice of simple blogs alive. Wordpress is overkill, and statically generated blogs from simple scripts and programs are better.

--- Mystic BBS v1.12 A47 2021/12/24 (Linux/64)
* Origin: Agency BBS | Dunedin, New Zealand | agency.bbs.nz (21:1/101)

Re: Re: Web hosting
By: boraxman to poindexter FORTRAN on Thu Mar 17 2022 10:41 pm

Wordpress is overkill for most blogs, IMO. I'd like to see something like Blosxom simplified - enter text using a text editor on the box, and have a script read and format them. There are a couple of options out there, like bashblog. I'm using it on my tilde.

Please keep the practice of simple blogs alive. Wordpress is overkill, and statically generated blogs from simple scripts and programs are better.

I am a fan of Jekyll for static blogs. If need be you can add some small dynamic component for them to have comments (see my website for an example). Admitedly, Jekyll is heavier that Bashblog (bug Bashblog is not 100% portable even among POSIX Operating Systems).


--
gopher://gopher.richardfalken.com/1/richardfalken
--- SBBSecho 3.15-Linux
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Wordpress is overkill for most blogs, IMO.

Wordpress, or any other CMS for that matter, is fine (the plugins, sometimes not). There is zero need to roll your own blog.

It's the IT/tech problem of trying to do everything ourselves because we can. Is OP want to create blog content, or maintain blog code?


- Andre
--- SBBSecho 3.15-Linux
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Naturally, there are drawbacks. It is often (far) easier to slap a Wordpress site onto a pre-configured server than it is to build a webserver literally from the ground-plane up. What you save in money, you'll probably wind up spending in time (and effort) instead.

Wordpress is overkill for most blogs, IMO. I'd like to see something
like Blosxom simplified - enter text using a text editor on the box, and have a script read and format them. There are a couple of options out there, like bashblog. I'm using it on my tilde.

I was only using Wordpress as an example, of course. :)

The point was that it would be easier to use a hosted server with a website 'backend' like WP (or bashblog, or many others), than to build a webserver and website from scratch.

This is a big part of why my Pi-hosted website is only one rather simple landing page. Installing a proper LAMP stack and actually building a website
is not really a priority for me.

McDoob
SysOp, PiBBS
pibbs.sytes.net

--- Mystic BBS v1.12 A46 2020/08/26 (Raspberry Pi/32)
* Origin: PiBBS (21:4/135)

McDoob wrote to poindexter FORTRAN <=-

The point was that it would be easier to use a hosted server with
a website 'backend' like WP (or bashblog, or many others), than
to build a webserver and website from scratch.

This is a big part of why my Pi-hosted website is only one rather
simple landing page. Installing a proper LAMP stack and actually
building a website is not really a priority for me.

McDoob
SysOp, PiBBS
pibbs.sytes.net

I get a 404 at the address just above.



... AAcckk!! II''mm iinn hhaallff dduupplleexx
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This is a big part of why my Pi-hosted website is only one rather simple landing page. Installing a proper LAMP stack and actually building a website is not really a priority for me.

McDoob
SysOp, PiBBS
pibbs.sytes.net

I get a 404 at the address just above.

Huh. Me too. I must have broke something again. I guess I better
prioritize it for a bit...

Thanks for the heads up! (^_^)/

McDoob
SysOp, PiBBS
pibbs.sytes.net

--- Mystic BBS v1.12 A46 2020/08/26 (Raspberry Pi/32)
* Origin: PiBBS (21:4/135)

This is a big part of why my Pi-hosted website is only one rathe simple landing page. Installing a proper LAMP stack and actually building a website is not really a priority for me.

I get a 404 at the address just above.

Huh. Me too. I must have broke something again. I guess I better prioritize it for a bit...

Thanks for the heads up! (^_^)/

Well, it wasn't a simple fix. And I really can't be bothered to dive any deeper; it can stay dead. As I said, it's just not a priority.

Besides, I'm planning a full wipe on the Pi by the end of the month. I can assume that whatever fixing I did will be undone by that. I'll be putting Mystic back on there, and finally running PiBBS on a47. So, don't think
you've seen the last of me just yet! (o_-)

Cheers!

McDoob
SysOp, PiBBS
pibbs.sytes.net

--- Mystic BBS v1.12 A46 2020/08/26 (Raspberry Pi/32)
* Origin: PiBBS (21:4/135)

McDoob wrote to Gamgee <=-

This is a big part of why my Pi-hosted website is only one rathe simple landing page. Installing a proper LAMP stack and actually building a website is not really a priority for me.

I get a 404 at the address just above.

Huh. Me too. I must have broke something again. I guess I better prioritize it for a bit...

Thanks for the heads up! (^_^)/

Well, it wasn't a simple fix. And I really can't be bothered to
dive any deeper; it can stay dead. As I said, it's just not a
priority.

No problem. I don't have a web page for my BBS either, I prefer the old-fashioned method of BBS access. For me, a BBS is not a website.

Besides, I'm planning a full wipe on the Pi by the end of the
month. I can assume that whatever fixing I did will be undone by
that. I'll be putting Mystic back on there, and finally running
PiBBS on a47. So, don't think you've seen the last of me just
yet! (o_-)

Or, you could........ upgrade to Synchronet! ;-)

But seriously, why not go for A48...? I mean they're all "pre-alpha",
right? LOL

http://www.mysticbbs.com/downloads/prealpha/


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on *16.03.22* at *13:43:00* You wrote in area *FSX_GEN*
to *McDoob* about *"Re: Web hosting"*.

McDoob wrote to Andre <=-

Naturally, there are drawbacks. It is often (far) easier to slap a
Wordpress site onto a pre-configured server than it is to build a
webserver literally from the ground-plane up. What you save in money,
you'll probably wind up spending in time (and effort) instead.

Wordpress is overkill for most blogs, IMO. I'd like to see something like Blosxom simplified - enter text using a text editor on the box, and have
a script read and format them. There are a couple of options out there, like bashblog. I'm using it on my tilde.

blogspot.com is a free blog site. It's been working very well for me since 2016.

I have my domain forwarded to my blog there...works great.

https://kb9bvn.net


Regards,
Brian
--- WinPoint 400.2
* Origin: Grow your garden early (21:4/106.25)

Thanks for the heads up! (^_^)/

No problem. I don't have a web page for my BBS either, I prefer the old-fashioned method of BBS access. For me, a BBS is not a website.

Yeah, I feel much the same. The only reason I even put a landing page was
so I could check a box in my list of goals as I continue through the SysOp adventure. And to check if Mystic's http server was actually functional.
Which it was...until it wasn't...I'll probably use the underlying OS next time...

that. I'll be putting Mystic back on there, and finally running
PiBBS on a47. So, don't think you've seen the last of me just
yet! (o_-)

Or, you could........ upgrade to Synchronet! ;-)

I still have the install of Synchronet I was using to evaluate the two, but I've honestly not spent any time in it since choosing to concentrate on
Mystic. I recognize the potential of Synchronet, but Mystic is significantly easier to get up and running. And I'm lazy. I just wanna check that box. (o_-)

But seriously, why not go for A48...? I mean they're all "pre-alpha", right? LOL

Considering that I'm still on a46, I'd say the answer to that is obvious.
Also, I've been hearing that a48 is considered 'bleeding edge' and a47 'stable'. Don't ask *me* why g00r00 calls all this an 'alpha'(of v1.12), because I don't get it either! (^_^)

McDoob
SysOp, PiBBS
pibbs.sytes.net

--- Mystic BBS v1.12 A46 2020/08/26 (Raspberry Pi/32)
* Origin: PiBBS (21:4/135)

Naturally, there are drawbacks. It is often (far) easier to slap a
Wordpress site onto a pre-configured server than it is to build a
webserver literally from the ground-plane up. What you save in money
you'll probably wind up spending in time (and effort) instead.

Wordpress is overkill for most blogs, IMO. I'd like to see something Blosxom simplified - enter text using a text editor on the box, and h a script read and format them. There are a couple of options out ther like bashblog. I'm using it on my tilde.

blogspot.com is a free blog site. It's been working very well for me since 2016.

This is all assuming that the OP wanted a blog site, which is an incredibly specific definition of 'server' that the OP did not specifically define...

McDoob
SysOp, PiBBS
pibbs.sytes.net

--- Mystic BBS v1.12 A46 2020/08/26 (Raspberry Pi/32)
* Origin: PiBBS (21:4/135)

McDoob SysOp, PiBBS pibbs.sytes.net

I get a 404 at the address just above.

Huh. Me too. I must have broke something again. I guess I better

I see a DNS error...


*** THE READER V4.50 [freeware]
--- SuperBBS v1.17-3 (Eval)
* Origin: The future's uncertain, the end is always near. (21:3/101)

I get a 404 at the address just above.

Huh. Me too. I must have broke something again. I guess I better

I see a DNS error...

Yes, thank you. The web server is down, and will stay that way for a while. PiBBS itself should still be accessible on port 23 of the same address. (^_^)

McDoob
SysOp, PiBBS
pibbs.sytes.net

--- Mystic BBS v1.12 A46 2020/08/26 (Raspberry Pi/32)
* Origin: PiBBS (21:4/135)

Considering that I'm still on a46, I'd say the answer to that is obvious. Also, I've been hearing that a48 is considered 'bleeding edge' and a47 'stable'. Don't ask *me* why g00r00 calls all this an 'alpha'(of v1.12), because I don't get it either! (^_^)

There will likely be a 1.12 release at some point. The alphas have new features that need testing before release to be sure things are working as expected.

The pre-alphas more so, there may even ne stuff of an experimental nature in those.

--- BBBS/Li6 v4.10 Toy-6
* Origin: The Rusty MailBox - Penticton, BC Canada (21:4/106)

Considering that I'm still on a46, I'd say the answer to that is obvious Also, I've been hearing that a48 is considered 'bleeding edge' and a47 'stable'. Don't ask *me* why g00r00 calls all this an 'alpha'(of v1.12), because I don't get it either! (^_^)

There will likely be a 1.12 release at some point. The alphas have new features that need testing before release to be sure things are working
as expected.

The pre-alphas more so, there may even ne stuff of an experimental
nature in those.

Thank you, Captain Obvious! (o_-)

All kidding aside, a46 has been in the field for two years. At that point, if it hasn't totally melted down on someone, it can be considered stable (non-alpha at least), and the version number can be incremented.

Not to mention the number of 'beta testers' that have copies of this 'pre-alpha'...

------------

I never did like this new-fangled versioning scheme that seems so common. Too many coders and devs are using 'alphas' and 'betas' as a shield. Hiding behind 'pre-alpha' or 'early access' shows a lack of courage in my opinion. "Of
course there's mistakes, paying customer #31415927! THIS! IS! ALPHAAA!" (>_<)

And don't even get me started on the idea of charging money to be 'early access' beta testers! Bad enough I gotta do it for free nowadays, when it used to be a paid position! Asking me to pay for the 'privilege' of correcting all your mistakes is just insulting. And being dismissive when I try to do so
feels a lot like getting kicked off a cliff.

Obviously, this portion of my post is not specific to Mystic, which is free. But it is somewhat relevant, and personally vexing.

Shoot...is this too close to 'network politics', Mike? F@<k it, I'm too tired to hold down the bksp key for that long...it is easier to ask forgiveness
than permission! Geronimo! (^_^)

McDoob
SysOp, PiBBS
pibbs.sytes.net

--- Mystic BBS v1.12 A46 2020/08/26 (Raspberry Pi/32)
* Origin: PiBBS (21:4/135)

Shoot...is this too close to 'network politics', Mike? F@<k it, I'm too tired to hold down the bksp key for that long...it is easier to ask forgiveness than permission! Geronimo! (^_^)

Clearly, I've been spending a little too much time in the POLITICS echo over
on Fidonet...(o_O)

Please disregard that paragraph! (^_^)

McDoob
SysOp, PiBBS
pibbs.sytes.net

--- Mystic BBS v1.12 A46 2020/08/26 (Raspberry Pi/32)
* Origin: PiBBS (21:4/135)

I never did like this new-fangled versioning scheme that seems so common. Too many coders and devs are using 'alphas' and 'betas' as a shield. Hiding behind 'pre-alpha' or 'early access' shows a lack of courage in my opinion. "Of course there's mistakes, paying customer #31415927! THIS! IS! ALPHAAA!" (>_<)

Don't use it if you don't like it. Every software that is in development needs to be tested before release. These versions are clearly marked as alpha or prealpha. I see no reason to criticize g00r00 or his software for this.

And don't even get me started on the idea of charging money to be 'early access' beta testers! Bad enough I gotta do it for free nowadays, when it used to be a paid position! Asking me to pay for the 'privilege' of correcting all your mistakes is just insulting. And being dismissive when I try to do so feels a lot like getting kicked off a cliff.

Money doesn't come into it with mystic. Even if it did he is just telling people that the software is not released, it is in development.

The idea of alpha/beta software is to report issues you find so they can be fixed before release, not to make you pay for some privilege.

--- BBBS/Li6 v4.10 Toy-6
* Origin: The Rusty MailBox - Penticton, BC Canada (21:4/106)

I never did like this new-fangled versioning scheme that seems so common many coders and devs are using 'alphas' and 'betas' as a shield. Hiding behind 'pre-alpha' or 'early access' shows a lack of courage in my opini "Of course there's mistakes, paying customer #31415927! THIS! IS! ALPHAA (>_<)

Don't use it if you don't like it. Every software that is in development needs to be tested before release. These versions are clearly marked as alpha or prealpha. I see no reason to criticize g00r00 or his software
for this.

Bring it down a notch, big guy. I never said I didn't like Mystic.

I *did* say that the portion of my message you're quoting was not related to Mystic specifically. And there was a very clear separator between this and the portion specific to Mystic. Everything below the dotted line was a comment on the misuse of 'alpha' and 'pre-alpha' designations in the broader coding universe.

In my experience, *nobody* sees pre-alpha builds but the coder. This applies
to many alpha builds, too. There's a reason bug hunters are also called 'beta testers'. After beta testing completes, the product version is updated, and the build is released to the general public.

And don't even get me started on the idea of charging money to be 'early access' beta testers! Bad enough I gotta do it for free nowadays, when i used to be a paid position! Asking me to pay for the 'privilege' of correcting all your mistakes is just insulting. And being dismissive whe try to do so feels a lot like getting kicked off a cliff.

Money doesn't come into it with mystic. Even if it did he is just telling people that the software is not released, it is in development.

Once again, this was not about Mystic specifically. This particular paragraph was aimed at the plethora of Steam-released 'early access' and 'pre-alpha' games that are being sold. One should not expect to make money with software that is unfinished any more than with a house or car in the same condition.

The idea of alpha/beta software is to report issues you find so they can be fixed before release, not to make you pay for some privilege.

My point exactly! I know this, because I used to be paid to do such reports!
It really helps to read (and understand) a message before trying to dispute anything in it. (o_O)

Bringing it back to Mystic for a second, my only gripe there is the sheer number of alpha-but-actually-beta and pre-alpha-but-actually-just-alpha builds since the version number was last updated. I'm pretty sure neither of us have seen a *real* pre-alpha build of Mystic, typos, errors, and all.

The professional bug hunter in me finds this to be...sloppy, that's all. At no time did I say that I was dissatisfied with Mystic, or with g00r00. There is
no need to get defensive for his sake; I wasn't attacking him or his works. I was merely griping about an annoyance, until I got sidetracked.

Rest easy, warrior; there is no social injustice here. (o_-)

McDoob
SysOp, PiBBS
pibbs.sytes.net

--- Mystic BBS v1.12 A46 2020/08/26 (Raspberry Pi/32)
* Origin: PiBBS (21:4/135)

Bring it down a notch, big guy. I never said I didn't like Mystic.

Don't feel personally attacked. I'm only trying to say there is a reason there are different versions since Mystic is actively being developed and I think that is a good thing.

In my experience, *nobody* sees pre-alpha builds but the coder.

Everybody is free to use these in development versions. People find issues g00r00 was unaware of and in most cases these issues are fixed quickly and there is another new version. At other times somebody asks for new features and even then there is a new version.

--- BBBS/Li6 v4.10 Toy-6
* Origin: The Rusty MailBox - Penticton, BC Canada (21:4/106)

I am a fan of Jekyll for static blogs. If need be you can add some small dynamic component for them to have comments (see my website for an example). Admitedly, Jekyll is heavier that Bashblog (bug Bashblog is
not 100% portable even among POSIX Operating Systems).

I think I looked at it before, it might have even been in your recommendation. There was some reason that I didn't use it, and it might have been having to install dependencies.

--- Mystic BBS v1.12 A47 2021/12/24 (Linux/64)
* Origin: Agency BBS | Dunedin, New Zealand | agency.bbs.nz (21:1/101)

I see a DNS error...

Yes, thank you. The web server is down, and will stay that way for a while. PiBBS itself should still be accessible on port 23 of the same address. (^_^)

Ahhh if you have a DNS problem, then no port on the address will be
available.. I haven't retried since though so perhaps it was transient or already something under repair?


*** THE READER V4.50 [freeware]
--- SuperBBS v1.17-3 (Eval)
* Origin: The future's uncertain, the end is always near. (21:3/101)

I see a DNS error...

Yes, thank you. The web server is down, and will stay that way for a while. PiBBS itself should still be accessible on port 23 of the same address. (^_^)

Ahhh if you have a DNS problem, then no port on the address will be available.. I haven't retried since though so perhaps it was transient or already something under repair?

Excuse me, sir, but where do you think this message originated? (o_O)

I had confirmed that (at least I) people can access PiBBS from port 23 on pibbs.sytes.net before replying to you previously! The web service on port 80 is (still broken) offline, which is why the http access isn't working. It's
not technically a DNS error, that may just be what your particular browser calls it.

I invite you to check my work to be sure, but I suspect you will find telnet
on port 23 is still active. I didn't even know that there was a problem with the http server, until it was pointed out to me, so I am always happy to have independent verification!

Enjoy your day!

McDoob
SysOp, PiBBS
pibbs.sytes.net

--- Mystic BBS v1.12 A46 2020/08/26 (Raspberry Pi/32)
* Origin: PiBBS (21:4/135)

Andre wrote to poindexter FORTRAN <=-

It's the IT/tech problem of trying to do everything ourselves because
we can. Is OP want to create blog content, or maintain blog code?

It's the infosec challenge of creating the smallest attack surface on the
web. A combination of PHP scripts written by a core group with third-party plugins and a MySQL back-end is orders of magnitude more complex than a handful of generated static HTML files.


... Discover your formulas and abandon them
--- MultiMail/DOS v0.52
* Origin: realitycheckBBS.org -- information is power. (21:4/122)

McDoob wrote to poindexter FORTRAN <=-

This is a big part of why my Pi-hosted website is only one rather
simple landing page. Installing a proper LAMP stack and actually
building a website is not really a priority for me.

It wasn't pretty, but my first consulting site was run on a vanilla Apache install with my content, written in Microsoft Word and saved as HTML as the index page.


... Discover your formulas and abandon them
--- MultiMail/DOS v0.52
* Origin: realitycheckBBS.org -- information is power. (21:4/122)

It's the infosec challenge of creating the smallest attack surface on the web. A combination of PHP scripts written by a core group with third-party plugins and a MySQL back-end is orders of magnitude more complex than a handful of generated static HTML files.

A blog hosted offsite is infinitely more secure for me than a server of any sort on my network.


- Andre
--- SBBSecho 3.15-Linux
* Origin: Radio Mentor BBS - bbs.radiomentor.org (21:3/117)

A blog hosted offsite is infinitely more secure for me than a server of any sort on my network.

How so, when you can literally reach out and unplug the server during an
attack or breach?

McDoob
SysOp, PiBBS
pibbs.sytes.net

--- Mystic BBS v1.12 A46 2020/08/26 (Raspberry Pi/32)
* Origin: PiBBS (21:4/135)

How so, when you can literally reach out and unplug the server during an attack or breach?

That assumes:

1. You know there's a breach.
2. You figured it out before lateral movement.

It is so because there's nothing on the hosting company's network I care about. The same is not true of my home network.

And that's **my** network. I doubt most sysops have an inbound IPS, a honeypot on the server VLAN, and a firewall that will actively block on bad traffic from either those.


- Andre
--- SBBSecho 3.15-Linux
* Origin: Radio Mentor BBS - bbs.radiomentor.org (21:3/117)

A blog hosted offsite is infinitely more secure for me than a server of any sort on my network.

A blog hosted offline is even more secure :P

ST

--- Mystic BBS v1.12 A46 2020/08/26 (Linux/64)
* Origin: Storm BBS (21:2/108)

Excuse me, sir, but where do you think this message originated? (o_O)

Yeah but broken DNS for the name isn't going to stop outbound traffic.

I had confirmed that (at least I) people can access PiBBS from port 23 on pibbs.sytes.net before replying to you previously! The web service on port

That be interesting... because I did get actual dns errors on lookup.. first
in the browser, also with ping, and ultimately nslookup. I'm cacheing DNS here, but even if I switch direct to 8.8.8.8 I get "can't find
pibbs.sytes.net"

Spec


*** THE READER V4.50 [freeware]
--- SuperBBS v1.17-3 (Eval)
* Origin: The future's uncertain, the end is always near. (21:3/101)

I had confirmed that (at least I) people can access PiBBS from port 23 on

I see according to dig pibbs runs out of no-ip space. You sure its up to
date? Have you been using an IP address to connect to the server instead of name lookup, have your other users used pibbs or some other local name for it maybe? Just some thoughts.

Spec


*** THE READER V4.50 [freeware]
--- SuperBBS v1.17-3 (Eval)
* Origin: The future's uncertain, the end is always near. (21:3/101)

That be interesting... because I did get actual dns errors on lookup..

Can confirm. There's no DNS record for pibbs.sytes.net.


- Andre
--- SBBSecho 3.15-Linux
* Origin: Radio Mentor BBS - bbs.radiomentor.org (21:3/117)

How so, when you can literally reach out and unplug the server during attack or breach?

That assumes:

1. You know there's a breach.
2. You figured it out before lateral movement.

It is so because there's nothing on the hosting company's network I care about. The same is not true of my home network.

Heh. Fair enough. (o_-)

And that's **my** network. I doubt most sysops have an inbound IPS, a honeypot on the server VLAN, and a firewall that will actively block on bad traffic from either those.

I don't want to shoot you down on this, because there are some truly insecure home networks out there. However, most routers that are on the market these days have the features you're talking about, and often enabled by default. At the very least, the router would have a firewall that blocks any traffic on ports that aren't specifically opened, and any server operator with a brain would have a firewall built directly into the server (ie fail2ban for Linux).

I mean, it really is up to the server's 'owner'. I am forced to use quotes there, since a hosted server is owned by the host, not the person actually making use of the server. Ease of use, and available features (including security), are very valid reasons to choose a hosted rather than home server.
I had only suggested it as a very cost-effective alternative.

McDoob
SysOp, PiBBS
pibbs.sytes.net

--- Mystic BBS v1.12 A46 2020/08/26 (Raspberry Pi/32)
* Origin: PiBBS (21:4/135)

I don't want to shoot you down on this, because there are some truly

It would be unwise to attempt. ;)

insecure home networks out there. However, most routers that are on the market these days have the features you're talking about, and often enabled by default. At the very least, the router would have a firewall

Maybe rudimentary VLANs. Definitely not a honeypot, definitely not an IPS, and doubtful that they'll actively block connections based on anything, much less the output of those two features.

that blocks any traffic on ports that aren't specifically opened, and any server operator with a brain would have a firewall built directly into the server (ie fail2ban for Linux).

A lot of sysops I've seen can barely run a computer. I've seen plenty struggle with DNS, NAT, etc. Rolling their own linux fireawll with fail2ban is well outside of their skillset.

Also, stateful firewalls blocking inbound packets doesn't even qualify as table stakes anymore.


- Andre
--- SBBSecho 3.15-Linux
* Origin: Radio Mentor BBS - bbs.radiomentor.org (21:3/117)

Excuse me, sir, but where do you think this message originated? (o_O)

Yeah but broken DNS for the name isn't going to stop outbound traffic.

Fair enough. But...if inbound traffic was broken, I wouldn't be able to read *your* messages. The hub is having no trouble at all connecting to PiBBS, and has the domain name, not a direct IP address.

I had confirmed that (at least I) people can access PiBBS from port 2 pibbs.sytes.net before replying to you previously! The web service on

That be interesting... because I did get actual dns errors on lookup.. first in the browser, also with ping, and ultimately nslookup. I'm cacheing DNS here, but even if I switch direct to 8.8.8.8 I get "can't find pibbs.sytes.net"

Thanks for providing more information! Are you certain that you are testing
an open port? Aside from telnet on 23, http on 80, and BinkP on 24554, all other ports are closed, and won't respond to any traffic by design. And again, port 80 is going to be unresponsive because I broke my web server and can't be bothered to fix it.

Let me see if I get the same results...I really haven't looked too far into
it because, as I've said, the web server really isn't a priority...

Huh, I'm seeing the same thing. DNS time outs. And yet, the BinkP packets are still coming in...(o_O) Also, using the IP address directly, the ports are responding...I'm curious if a change to my dynamic IP would break things, but not so curious as to find out the hard way...

I dunno. And I *still* don't care. I'll be wiping the Pi and starting over
soon enough, and that ought to fix any problems with the device itself. I'll have to work my way up from there, if I ever decide that having a web page is important.

McDoob
SysOp, PiBBS
pibbs.sytes.net

--- Mystic BBS v1.12 A46 2020/08/26 (Raspberry Pi/32)
* Origin: PiBBS (21:4/135)

I see according to dig pibbs runs out of no-ip space. You sure its up to date? Have you been using an IP address to connect to the server
instead of name lookup, have your other users used pibbs or some other local name for it maybe? Just some thoughts.

Yes, no-ip provides my DDNS service. I am certain it is up to date, as that
was one of the first things I checked. I have tried both, and the IP address works perfectly, at least at a ping level. All users and other connections to PiBBS are through the DNS address. I don't make my IP address public
knowledge.

However, I have just found out that I had used the IP address in my personal SyncTERM listing for PiBBS. Switching to the web address indeed causes a resolve failure...and, the hub isn't actually crashing BinkP data, my hourly (or triggered) polling is what's bringing in the messages...

Looks like I got a bigger problem than I thought...Great! \(-_-)/

I guess I'll be doing that wipe sooner than I expected...but first, I better get a working version of PiBBS set up on another of my computers...I would be thouroughly annoyed if I found myself completely cut off from such fine
people as are present in fsxNet...

The joys of being a SysOp, I guess. (Q_Q)

PS: Okay, now, what in the absolute F***? Using the IP address in my favorite browser brings up my landing page immediately! Somehow, I don't think a wipe
is going to fix this...*facepalm* Might be time to try out a different DDNS service, since the same IP address is what's showing on the no-ip config...

McDoob
SysOp, PiBBS
pibbs.sytes.net

--- Mystic BBS v1.12 A46 2020/08/26 (Raspberry Pi/32)
* Origin: PiBBS (21:4/135)

Fair enough. But...if inbound traffic was broken, I wouldn't be able to read *your* messages. The hub is having no trouble at all connecting to PiBBS, and has the domain name, not a direct IP address.

Your BBS calls out to the hub to request its messages. The hub is not calling you to give you your messages.

Thanks for providing more information! Are you certain that you are testing an open port?

Has nothing to do with DNS. If no one can get the IP address from the DNS system when looking up your domain name, no one can contact you because they don't know what IP address to use. No inbound anything. No web, no telnet to the BBS, no nothing.

I dunno. And I *still* don't care. I'll be wiping the Pi and starting over soon enough, and that ought to fix any problems with the device itself.

The only way this would fix the problem is if dynamic DNS (no-ip service) is being updated by your Pi. More typically people setup their routers or their personal worksations to update DDNS, but not always.


- Andre
--- SBBSecho 3.15-Linux
* Origin: Radio Mentor BBS - bbs.radiomentor.org (21:3/117)

insecure home networks out there. However, most routers that are on t market these days have the features you're talking about, and often enabled by default. At the very least, the router would have a firewa

Maybe rudimentary VLANs. Definitely not a honeypot, definitely not an
IPS, and doubtful that they'll actively block connections based on anything, much less the output of those two features.

I'm not going to attempt to argue about a subject that I am not entirely familiar with. You're most likely right, anyway.

A lot of sysops I've seen can barely run a computer. I've seen plenty struggle with DNS, NAT, etc. Rolling their own linux fireawll with fail2ban is well outside of their skillset.

Well, now, it's important not to generalize here. A lot of SysOps out there
are just as knowledgeable as you (or me), as well! Sure, there's a lot of
them that barely understand how they got set up in the first place. But implying that *all* SysOps are like that is simply incorrect.

For the record (pun not intended), it seems *I'm* struggling with DNS
right now...this doesn't mean I don't understand how it works, it just means that I broke it. Let's pretend that I did so intentionally, as a learning experience, okay? (^_^)

And fail2ban isn't *that* hard to figure out...if one is willing to put in
the effort to try...

McDoob
SysOp, PiBBS
pibbs.sytes.net

--- Mystic BBS v1.12 A46 2020/08/26 (Raspberry Pi/32)
* Origin: PiBBS (21:4/135)

Fair enough. But...if inbound traffic was broken, I wouldn't be able read *your* messages. The hub is having no trouble at all connecting PiBBS, and has the domain name, not a direct IP address.

Your BBS calls out to the hub to request its messages. The hub is not calling you to give you your messages.

Erm, both, actually. My hubs are set up to automatically send message traffic as it arrives (BinkP crashing, I think it's called?), and my BBS is set to
make hourly requests, as well as make requests when it sends outbound
traffic. Though, to be clear, these automatic connections are *not* occuring right now...

Thanks for providing more information! Are you certain that you are testing an open port?

Has nothing to do with DNS. If no one can get the IP address from the DNS system when looking up your domain name, no one can contact you because they don't know what IP address to use. No inbound anything. No web, no telnet to the BBS, no nothing.

Yes, thank you. I am noticing that for myself, as we discuss this.

I dunno. And I *still* don't care. I'll be wiping the Pi and starting soon enough, and that ought to fix any problems with the device itsel

The only way this would fix the problem is if dynamic DNS (no-ip
service) is being updated by your Pi. More typically people setup their routers or their personal worksations to update DDNS, but not always.

Correct, I am currently relying on my router to do this. This is why I said I would have to 'work my way up from there'. Again, though, the information
that no-ip has *appears* to be correct...

Thank you for helping me learn new things, whether I particularly want to or not! (^_^)

My next step will be to sign up with another DDNS service and see if that one is a bit more cooperative...

McDoob
SysOp, PiBBS
pibbs.sytes.net

--- Mystic BBS v1.12 A46 2020/08/26 (Raspberry Pi/32)
* Origin: PiBBS (21:4/135)

My next step will be to sign up with another DDNS service and see if
that one is a bit more cooperative...

At this time, pibbs.raspberryip.com is now active, and appears to be working.
I invite anyone to help me confirm that everything is indeed working on that address. Again, only ports 23, 80, and 24554 will be open.

If I wish to make this 'quick' fix permanent, I will have to go through and make sure everything is updated in the nodelists and hubs...and signatures and adverts...yay...(-_-)

Meanwhile, if the original, no-ip, address stops being stubborn, that too
will point to my Pi...

McDoob
SysOp, PiBBS
pibbs.sytes.net

--- Mystic BBS v1.12 A46 2020/08/26 (Raspberry Pi/32)
* Origin: PiBBS (21:4/135)

At this time, pibbs.raspberryip.com is now active, and appears to be working. I invite anyone to help me confirm that everything is indeed working on that address. Again, only ports 23, 80, and 24554 will be open.

DNS is working and those ports do what I expect when connected.

Meanwhile, if the original, no-ip, address stops being stubborn, that too will point to my Pi...

I've had no-ip for a couple years or so and it's been perfectly stable for me, but I think I pay them. If I remember right, the free version requires confirming with them every three or six months.


- Andre
--- SBBSecho 3.15-Linux
* Origin: Radio Mentor BBS - bbs.radiomentor.org (21:3/117)

Re: Re: Web hosting
By: boraxman to Arelor on Fri Mar 18 2022 10:33 pm

I am a fan of Jekyll for static blogs. If need be you can add some smal dynamic component for them to have comments (see my website for an example). Admitedly, Jekyll is heavier that Bashblog (bug Bashblog is not 100% portable even among POSIX Operating Systems).

I think I looked at it before, it might have even been in your recommendatio There was some reason that I didn't use it, and it might have been having to install dependencies.

It seems likely to me, since you have to install a lot of Ruby things in order for Jekyll to work.

The framework is heavy but the resulting website is lightweight. That is a nice compromise for me but I get it somebody else prefers Bashblog :-)

--
gopher://gopher.richardfalken.com/1/richardfalken
--- SBBSecho 3.15-Linux
* Origin: Palantir * palantirbbs.ddns.net * Pensacola, FL * (21:2/138)

Hello McDoob!

On 18 Mar 2022, McDoob said the following...

At this time, pibbs.raspberryip.com is now active, and appears to be working. I invite anyone to help me confirm that everything is indeed working on that address. Again, only ports 23, 80, and 24554 will be
open.

Seem to be open and working as far as I can tell! =)

Best regards
Zip

--- Mystic BBS v1.12 A48 2022/03/11 (Linux/64)
* Origin: Star Collision BBS, Uppsala, Sweden (21:1/202)

On 19 Mar 2022, Spectre said the following...

That be interesting... because I did get actual dns errors on lookup.. first in the browser, also with ping, and ultimately nslookup. I'm cacheing DNS here, but even if I switch direct to 8.8.8.8 I get "can't find pibbs.sytes.net"

Weird, it seems to work here, but then again Monseigneur McDoob & I are in the save province:

pibbs.sytes.net

Server: UnKnown
Address: 10.0.1.1

Non-authoritative answer:
Name: pibbs.sytes.net
Address: 149.248.91.72

pibbs.sytes.net

Server: dns.google
Address: 8.8.8.8

Non-authoritative answer:
Name: pibbs.sytes.net
Address: 149.248.91.72


Jay

... Hey! Who took the cork off my lunch??!

--- Mystic BBS v1.12 A48 2022/03/11 (Raspberry Pi/32)
* Origin: Northern Realms (21:3/110)

Weird, it seems to work here, but then again Monseigneur McDoob & I are
in the save province:

The issue has been corrected, Warpslide. Thanks for checking, though! (^_^)

McDoob
SysOp, PiBBS
pibbs.sytes.net

--- Mystic BBS v1.12 A46 2020/08/26 (Raspberry Pi/32)
* Origin: PiBBS (21:4/135)

On 18 Mar 2022, McDoob said the following...

Might be time to try out a different DDNS service, since the same IP address is what's showing on the no-ip config...

I use both https://1984hosting.com and https://dns.he.net both who which offer free dynamic IP with your own domain name. If you want to register your own domain name that is.

For both you just set up a cron job on the Pi to run every x minutes to run curl on a specific URL.


Jay

... The worst thing about censorship is ÛÛÛÛÛÛÛÛÛÛ.

--- Mystic BBS v1.12 A48 2022/03/11 (Raspberry Pi/32)
* Origin: Northern Realms (21:3/110)

At this time, pibbs.raspberryip.com is now active, and appears to be working. I invite anyone to help me confirm that everything is indeed working on that address. Again, only ports 23, 80, and 24554 will be
open.

All three ports are responding as desired from here.

--- Mystic BBS v1.12 A47 2021/12/24 (Linux/64)
* Origin: Shipwrecks & Shibboleths [San Francisco, CA - USA] (21:1/227)

On 18 Mar 2022, McDoob said the following...

The issue has been corrected, Warpslide. Thanks for checking, though! (^_^)

I'm always a day late & a buck short... *sigh* ;)


Jay

... Friends, Romans, countrymen, lend me your taglines!

--- Mystic BBS v1.12 A48 2022/03/11 (Raspberry Pi/32)
* Origin: Northern Realms (21:3/110)

Yes, no-ip provides my DDNS service. I am certain it is up to date, as that was one of the first things I checked. I have tried both, and
the IP address works perfectly, at least at a ping level. All users
and other connections to PiBBS are through the DNS address. I don't
make my IP address public knowledge.

Yeah I'm no-ip as well, generally works a treat, but on free you have to re-confirm every 30 days or they'll expire you out. If you're checking the current ip via the no-ip client, try having a look through your no-ip account on their website it'll provide more information, and let you know if you need to confirm the DNS entry again.

This doesn't appear to related to your server config, bbs or www rather
either a no-ip client config failure or registration lapse either should be
an easy fix.

You're using a PiZeroW? I had to keep a .iso of my SD Card to copy back over it, it tended to eat the cards every so often. Just an idea, but thats not related to DNS. :)

Spec


*** THE READER V4.50 [freeware]
--- SuperBBS v1.17-3 (Eval)
* Origin: The future's uncertain, the end is always near. (21:3/101)

At this time, pibbs.raspberryip.com is now active, and appears to be

I see the web page, chuckle, no-ip isn't, at least wasn't any worse than
anyone else when I last checked.. it shouldn't be to hard to sort it out,
they do have a grace period before cutting you off and send you email reminders.

I'd be inclined to setup the linux no-ip client on your pizero probably and
let it do its thing from there. Make sure you've given them an address you check fairly frequently at least once a week and you should be pretty right.

And yup I see pibbs bbs on 23 as well.

Spec


*** THE READER V4.50 [freeware]
--- SuperBBS v1.17-3 (Eval)
* Origin: The future's uncertain, the end is always near. (21:3/101)

Yeah I'm no-ip as well, generally works a treat, but on free you have to re-confirm every 30 days or they'll expire you out.

Yup. Turns out, that's exactly what happened...

You're using a PiZeroW? I had to keep a .iso of my SD Card to copy back over it, it tended to eat the cards every so often. Just an idea, but thats not related to DNS. :)

I'm using a 3B+, but that's still an issue. I do have at least one spare, but unfortunately, I don't have a card reader in either of my x86 computers...

Keeping my fingers crossed that this doesn't become the *next* problem! (^_^)

McDoob
SysOp, PiBBS
pibbs.sytes.net

--- Mystic BBS v1.12 A46 2020/08/26 (Raspberry Pi/32)
* Origin: PiBBS (21:4/135)

I see the web page, chuckle, no-ip isn't, at least wasn't any worse than anyone else when I last checked.. it shouldn't be to hard to sort it out, they do have a grace period before cutting you off and send you email reminders.

The best part of hosting my own is getting to say whatever I want, however I want to say it. (o_-)

I'll change it in a few days, when I'm not so upset...

And I've been told that there are some DDNSes out there that don't do this
kind of thing.

I'd be inclined to setup the linux no-ip client on your pizero probably and let it do its thing from there. Make sure you've given them an
address you check fairly frequently at least once a week and you should
be pretty right.

Well, there's actually nothing wrong at my end. The router is still doing it just fine...I just have to set a monthly reminder on my calender to put my eyeballs on their advert. However, I'd certainly need some sort of client
or script, were I to move away from no-ip. My router only supports that, the now defunct DynDNS, and some Chinese option that I'd be reluctant to try,
even if I could read their website.

And yup I see pibbs bbs on 23 as well.

Feel free to visit whenever you like! (^_^)

McDoob
SysOp, PiBBS
pibbs.sytes.net

--- Mystic BBS v1.12 A46 2020/08/26 (Raspberry Pi/32)
* Origin: PiBBS (21:4/135)

Andre wrote to McDoob <=-

Fair enough. But...if inbound traffic was broken, I wouldn't be able to read *your* messages. The hub is having no trouble at all connecting to PiBBS, and has the domain name, not a direct IP address.

Your BBS calls out to the hub to request its messages. The hub is
not calling you to give you your messages.

Well..... that depends on the arrangements between a BBS and it's hubs. All
of my hubs send me echomail as it comes to them. My BBS sends mail to them
the instant it's posted on my system, and additionally polls them a few times
a day just to be sure.

It's all about how it's set up. Saying a hub is not calling you is too generalized and in many/most cases, incorrect.



... Never assume the obvious is true!
=== MultiMail/Linux v0.52
--- SBBSecho 3.15-Linux
* Origin: Palantir * palantirbbs.ddns.net * Pensacola, FL * (21:2/138)

Andre wrote to McDoob <=-

I've had no-ip for a couple years or so and it's been perfectly
stable for me, but I think I pay them. If I remember right, the
free version requires confirming with them every three or six
months.

It's once per month. I've used their free services for several years.



... Behind every great man is an amazed mother-in-law!
=== MultiMail/Linux v0.52
--- SBBSecho 3.15-Linux
* Origin: Palantir * palantirbbs.ddns.net * Pensacola, FL * (21:2/138)

Weird, it seems to work here, but then again Monseigneur McDoob & I are
in the save province:

Could be propagation time or cacheing between servers.

ST

--- Mystic BBS v1.12 A46 2020/08/26 (Linux/64)
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Andre wrote to poindexter FORTRAN <=-

A blog hosted offsite is infinitely more secure for me than a server of any sort on my network.

Best way to avoid a lateral attack - remove the "lateral" from the equation. :)


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Andre wrote to McDoob <=-

And that's **my** network. I doubt most sysops have an inbound IPS, a honeypot on the server VLAN, and a firewall that will actively block on bad traffic from either those.

My Linksys WRT54G running stock firmware and Pentium box running XP would
like to have a word with you. :)



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Best way to avoid a lateral attack - remove the "lateral" from the equation. :)

Well, my BBS server is sitting alone on its own VLAN with no way out. But if I did end up adding more servers, I probably wouldn't want to maintain VLANs for every single device... It'd be a huge pain to manage that without screwing things up.

And one of the things I've learned being married, is that home network/printer/internet stability is more critical that device/network stability at work.


- Andre
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Re: Web hosting
By: aLPHA to Utopian Galt on Sun Mar 13 2022 01:40 pm

Any other options for hosting for under 40/yr

I've been using Digital Ocean, shared VM:

1 CPU / 1GB Memory / 25GB Storage / 1TB Bandwidth

Start at $5 month, I think. Goes up depending on CPUs, etc.

If you are willing to go the route of AWS, and have some understanding of cloud computing, AWS.

Brian Klauss <-> Dream Master
Caught in a Dream | caughtinadream.com a Synchronet BBS
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Any other options for hosting for under 40/yr

SqureSpace - I built a site for our church - I can
pretty much work with anything, but wanted something
the preacher can use to blog with too, plus others
be able to help edit, when the time comes...






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