What are your opinions on this subject?

$ The Millionaire $
--- SBBSecho 3.14-Linux
* Origin: Vertrauen - [vert/cvs/bbs].synchro.net (21:1/183)

What are your opinions on this subject?

Neither? Vinyl or digital, these are the only way to go.

McDoob
SysOp, PiBBS
pibbs.sytes.net

--- Mystic BBS v1.12 A46 2020/08/26 (Raspberry Pi/32)
* Origin: PiBBS (21:4/135)

On 02-20-22 21:38, McDoob wrote to The Millionaire <=-

What are your opinions on this subject?

Neither? Vinyl or digital, these are the only way to go.

Digital is the natural cassette replacement and go to for home recordable media. Better performance and generally more robust. For pre recorded, vinyl is an option as well, though for me, that's purely nostalgia and the tactile sensations of handling LPs, rather than the sound quality (I'm sensitive to vinyl's imperfections. Lossless digital is my medium of choice, with lossy digital for casual, non critical listening, where economy is more important than fidelity.


... Beat's me!!! I never read the documentation.
=== MultiMail/Win v0.52
--- SBBSecho 3.10-Linux
* Origin: Freeway BBS Bendigo,Australia freeway.apana.org.au (21:1/109)

On 21 Feb 2022, Vk3jed said the following...

Digital is the natural cassette replacement and go to for home recordable media. Better performance and generally more robust.

While I enjoy all of the convenience of everything digital (no fast forwarding/rewinding, instant track skipping, no disc/cassette changing, etc) there was something to be said for having physical media.

For me anyway, out of site totally equals out of mind.

I've bought so many albums digitally and I probably listened to them around the time I bought them, but then they blend in and become just another file on my hard drive or thumbnail in in the endless list of available options. At least when there was a CD on my rack I knew it was there and feel like I probably got more use out of it.

Not too long ago we were out & about and I heard a song playing on the radio in the grocery store that I hadn't heard in a long while. I shazam'ed it and pressed the "open in Apple Music" button, and sure enough, once upon a time I purchased the whole album.

I can only imagine what must be like for newer artists to try and get discovered now-a-days.

(I'm sensitive to vinyl's imperfections. Lossless digital is my medium
of choice, with lossy digital for casual, non critical listening, where economy is more important than fidelity.

Where do you go for lossless? I mostly use Apple Music as their entire catalogue is now lossless:

https://bbs.lc/KJHPT

"Apple upgraded its entire streaming music catalog to lossless audio using the ALAC (Apple Lossless Audio Codec) format. ALAC is a lossless compression format that lets Apple make smaller file sizes without impacting the integrity of the original audio recording."

Though it depends on how you listen to it whether you get the full quality, if you're listening direct from your iPhone/iPad or on a Mac or Apple TV you get lossless quality, but none of their headphones/earbuds support lossless quality:

"None of Apple's headphones, however, work with lossless audio. The AirPods, AirPods Pro, and AirPods Max are limited to the Bluetooth AAC codec and simply cannot support the ALAC format."


Jay

... If you can't learn to do it well, learn to enjoy doing it badly.

--- Mystic BBS v1.12 A48 2022/02/15 (Raspberry Pi/32)
* Origin: Northern Realms (21:3/110)

The Millionaire wrote to All <=-

What are your opinions on this subject?

Unhealthy nostaligia.


... In zen skiing, you learn to become one with the snow.
___ MultiMail/Linux v0.52

--- Mystic BBS/QWK v1.12 A46 2020/08/26 (Linux/64)
* Origin: bbs.alsgeeklab.com:2323 (21:1/126)

Hello Warpslide!

** On Monday 21.02.22 - 08:08, Warpslide wrote to Vk3jed:

I've bought so many albums digitally and I probably listened to them
around the time I bought them, but then they blend in and become just another file on my hard drive or thumbnail in in the endless list of available options. At least when there was a CD on my rack I knew it was there and feel like I probably got more use out of it.

Yes.. a CD collection was "visible" in a tower, along a shelf,
in a pile, or even on the wall (there was even a really
interesting storage system that allowed "pinning" CDs cases on
a wall in a mosaic arrangment).

But an in-your-face system could probably be emulated by having
a separate monitor that cycles through a set of CDs every few
minutes. When something catches your eye.. you can play it.

Not too long ago we were out & about and I heard a song playing on the radio in the grocery store that I hadn't heard in a long while. I shazam'ed it and pressed the "open in Apple Music" button, and sure
enough, once upon a time I purchased the whole album.

I can only imagine what must be like for newer artists to try and get discovered now-a-days.

I had a similar experience recently. It was a self-burned CD
(in a thin paper envelope) at the bottom of a pile. Playing
it, it had a few skips here and there. The music was fabulous
but I didn't quite remember how I obtained the material. The
music was NOT on Spotify. It turned out that I *had* actually
purchased it in iTunes.

Where do you go for lossless? I mostly use Apple Music as their entire catalogue is now lossless:

There are several places that offer it. Look for FLAC. I
have partaken in a few of those offerings. One audiophile-
branded one offers FLAC samplers. I produced CDs from those
and they sound wonderful. I'll see if I can dig up that one.
I'm pretty sure I mentioned it in Fidonet MUSIC many moons ago.

https://bbs.lc/KJHPT

[...]

"None of Apple's headphones, however, work with lossless audio. The AirPods, AirPods Pro, and AirPods Max are limited to the Bluetooth AAC codec and simply cannot support the ALAC format."

Interesting report. It also states:

"The feature is limited to "Apple Music" streaming subscribers.
Lossless quality will not be available for iTunes purchases and
there is no way to upgrade owned music to lossless via iTunes
Match.

I've ways been disappointed in the PRICE of songs at iTunes.
When they initially rolled out, it was 99cents for then 128kbps
versions!! Robbery. A couple of other services offered
356kbps. Even though iTunes has upped the quality level,
99cents is still too much compared to the cost of a tune on a
commercially made CD.

--- OpenXP 5.0.51
* Origin: (} Pointy McPointFace (21:4/106.21)

On 20 Feb 2022, The Millionaire said the following...

What are your opinions on this subject?

8-track... alllll the way...


(,``,"> rusty sez... Re-livin' the dream...

--- Mystic BBS v1.12 A47 2021/12/24 (Raspberry Pi/32)
* Origin: seeLive's rustyHedgehog - therhh.dynv6.net:2300 (21:2/128)

While I enjoy all of the convenience of everything digital (no fast forwarding/rewinding, instant track skipping, no disc/cassette changing, etc) there was something to be said for having physical media.

For me anyway, out of site totally equals out of mind.

I've bought so many albums digitally and I probably listened to them around the time I bought them, but then they blend in and become just another file on my hard drive or thumbnail in in the endless list of available options. At least when there was a CD on my rack I knew it
was there and feel like I probably got more use out of it.

Although I listen to music on my computer and on my digital music player as OGG files, I do still need CD's for the car. I prefer to own physical media, feels like I actually "own" it, and you get liner notes and artwork, which is part of the experience.

--- Mystic BBS v1.12 A47 2021/12/24 (Linux/64)
* Origin: Agency BBS | Dunedin, New Zealand | agency.bbs.nz (21:1/101)

seeLive wrote to The Millionaire <=-

8-track... alllll the way...

One of my first cars was a Fiat spyder. I had a theft-proof stereo, I.E. I kept the 8-track car stereo that no one wanted in it, and could park it with the top down, free from worry that it might be stolen.


... UNPRISON YOUR THINK RHINO
--- MultiMail/DOS v0.52
* Origin: realitycheckBBS.org -- information is power. (21:4/122)

On 02-21-22 08:08, Warpslide wrote to Vk3jed <=-

While I enjoy all of the convenience of everything digital (no fast forwarding/rewinding, instant track skipping, no disc/cassette
changing, etc) there was something to be said for having physical
media.

True. Still got a stack of CDs here. Even some vinyl, though don't have a turntable setup to play it currently.

For me anyway, out of site totally equals out of mind.

I've bought so many albums digitally and I probably listened to them around the time I bought them, but then they blend in and become just another file on my hard drive or thumbnail in in the endless list of available options. At least when there was a CD on my rack I knew it
was there and feel like I probably got more use out of it.

I mostly use Spotify for convenience these days.

Not too long ago we were out & about and I heard a song playing on the radio in the grocery store that I hadn't heard in a long while. I shazam'ed it and pressed the "open in Apple Music" button, and sure enough, once upon a time I purchased the whole album.

I used to do that too, but now I have to select "Open in Spotify" and I can find the song and the album it belongs to. :)

Where do you go for lossless? I mostly use Apple Music as their entire catalogue is now lossless:

I have to use CD or lossless audio files. I don't have Apple Music. I went the Spotify route, because it's more cross platform. I don't get to listen in sich detail often these days, and yes, I do hear the effects of lossy audio compression too.

https://bbs.lc/KJHPT

"Apple upgraded its entire streaming music catalog to lossless audio
using the ALAC (Apple Lossless Audio Codec) format. ALAC is a lossless compression format that lets Apple make smaller file sizes without impacting the integrity of the original audio recording."

Nice. :)

Though it depends on how you listen to it whether you get the full quality, if you're listening direct from your iPhone/iPad or on a Mac
or Apple TV you get lossless quality, but none of their
headphones/earbuds support lossless quality:

Good point, Bluetooth generaly uses lossy compression. On the PC, I have direct audio connections available.



... Read messages, not taglines
=== MultiMail/Win v0.52
--- SBBSecho 3.10-Linux
* Origin: Freeway BBS Bendigo,Australia freeway.apana.org.au (21:1/109)

On 22 Feb 2022 at 10:03p, boraxman pondered and said...

Although I listen to music on my computer and on my digital music player as OGG files, I do still need CD's for the car. I prefer to own
physical media, feels like I actually "own" it, and you get liner notes and artwork, which is part of the experience.

I enjoy both having started with analogue gear then moved to digital. I am on the look out for a reasonably priced reel to reel to add to my home setup

--- Mystic BBS v1.12 A47 2021/12/24 (Linux/64)
* Origin: Agency BBS | Dunedin, New Zealand | agency.bbs.nz (21:1/101)

Re: 8-Track Vs Cassette
By: The Millionaire to All on Sun Feb 20 2022 05:27 pm

What are your opinions on this subject?

I've never actually played an 8-track tape or owned a player. But I've heard cassette tapes are more convenient; I've heard you can't rewind an 8-track tape.

Nightfox
--- SBBSecho 3.14-Win32
* Origin: Digital Distortion: digdist.synchro.net (21:1/137)

Nightfox wrote to The Millionaire <=-

I've never actually played an 8-track tape or owned a player. But I've heard cassette tapes are more convenient; I've heard you can't rewind
an 8-track tape.

True, but the music is broken up into 4 programs, so you could switch with a program button to a different part of the tape.


... Such a format will close the door.
--- MultiMail/DOS v0.52
* Origin: realitycheckBBS.org -- information is power. (21:4/122)

On 22 Feb 2022, poindexter FORTRAN said the following...

One of my first cars was a Fiat spyder. I had a theft-proof stereo, I.E.
I kept the 8-track car stereo that no one wanted in it, and could park
it with the top down, free from worry that it might be stolen.

haha excellent use of the technology!


(,``,"> rusty sez... Re-livin' the dream...

--- Mystic BBS v1.12 A47 2021/12/24 (Raspberry Pi/32)
* Origin: seeLive's rustyHedgehog - therhh.dynv6.net:2300 (21:2/128)

Re: Re: 8-Track Vs Cassette
By: poindexter FORTRAN to Nightfox on Thu Feb 24 2022 06:49 am

I've never actually played an 8-track tape or owned a player. But
I've heard cassette tapes are more convenient; I've heard you can't
rewind an 8-track tape.

True, but the music is broken up into 4 programs, so you could switch with a program button to a different part of the tape.

What is a "program"? Does that mean 8-track tapes had 4 different recordings that you could switch between while it was playing?

Nightfox
--- SBBSecho 3.14-Win32
* Origin: Digital Distortion: digdist.synchro.net (21:1/137)

What is a "program"? Does that mean 8-track tapes had 4 different recordings that you could switch between while it was playing?

Yes, four sets of stereo (4x2=8) "programs." But they all move together, so while you could switch programs, if you were on program 1 for 4 minutes and switched, you'd then be 4 minutes into program 2.

And you can't rewind because of how they work. Only FF.


- Andre
--- SBBSecho 3.14-Linux
* Origin: Radio Mentor BBS - bbs.radiomentor.org (21:3/117)

On 20 Feb 2022, The Millionaire said the following...

What are your opinions on this subject?

Between the two formats, I'll take cassette every time. Audio on 8-track was not very good. Cassette was an improvement and easier access to the tracks
you wanted to hear.

----
Thanks!
Orbitman (Allen)
Orbit BBS, Opp, AL USA
orbitbbs.ddns.net:7210

--- Mystic BBS v1.12 A45 2020/02/18 (Linux/32)
* Origin: Orbit BBS-Opp, AL. USA | orbitbbs.ddns.net:7210 (21:2/131)

On 22 Feb 2022, boraxman said the following...

Although I listen to music on my computer and on my digital music player as OGG files, I do still need CD's for the car. I prefer to own
physical media, feels like I actually "own" it, and you get liner notes and artwork, which is part of the experience.

Yes indeed. Having the disc/tape is miles better (to me anyway) than just a bunch of digital files. If I can see it sitting there...it calls to me and
I'm more apt to play it. I spend all day on a computer at work and the last thing I want to do when I get home is get back on one just to listen to music.

----
Thanks!
Orbitman (Allen)
Orbit BBS, Opp, AL USA
orbitbbs.ddns.net:7210

--- Mystic BBS v1.12 A45 2020/02/18 (Linux/32)
* Origin: Orbit BBS-Opp, AL. USA | orbitbbs.ddns.net:7210 (21:2/131)

Re: Re: 8-Track Vs Cassette
By: Orbitman to boraxman on Fri Feb 25 2022 06:01 pm

Yes indeed. Having the disc/tape is miles better (to me anyway) than just a bunch of digital files. If I can see it sitting there...it calls to me and I'm more apt to play it. I spend all day on a computer at work and the last thing I want to do when I get home is get back on one just to listen to music.

To me, it's all the same (or very similar) in the end. You're still pushing buttons to play the music you want. I admit I find it more convenient to just load up the file rather than insert a physical thing. Also, you can store a lot more on a USB drive than you can on a CD or cassette. And especially when I'm driving, not having to fiddle with a cassette or disc is important.

Nightfox
--- SBBSecho 3.14-Win32
* Origin: Digital Distortion: digdist.synchro.net (21:1/137)

Nightfox wrote to poindexter FORTRAN <=-

What is a "program"? Does that mean 8-track tapes had 4 different recordings that you could switch between while it was playing?

The 8 tracks were separated into 4 stereo tracks, and they ran alongside
each other on the tape. You could switch from one track to the other on the fly by the player moving the playback head vertically in relation to the
tape. It had the result of splitting the album into 4 sections.


... Discover the recipes you are using and abandon them
--- MultiMail/DOS v0.52
* Origin: realitycheckBBS.org -- information is power. (21:4/122)

Orbitman wrote to The Millionaire <=-

Between the two formats, I'll take cassette every time. Audio on
8-track was not very good. Cassette was an improvement and easier
access to the tracks you wanted to hear.

I'm picturing a '70s audiophile with a reel-to-reel tape player in a
Cadillac Eldorado. Quadrophonic stereo, of course.


... Discover the recipes you are using and abandon them
--- MultiMail/DOS v0.52
* Origin: realitycheckBBS.org -- information is power. (21:4/122)

Nightfox wrote to Orbitman <=-

To me, it's all the same (or very similar) in the end. You're still pushing buttons to play the music you want.

"Alexa, play Neil Diamond..."


... Discard an axiom
--- MultiMail/DOS v0.52
* Origin: realitycheckBBS.org -- information is power. (21:4/122)

On 26 Feb 2022, poindexter FORTRAN said the following...

"Alexa, play Neil Diamond..."

That's hysterical... what a great way to encapsulate the whole point of why I think a lot of us are here... that blend of old and new technology... you watch someone is going to hook up alexa to an 8-track player now...


(,``,"> rusty sez... Re-livin' the dream...

--- Mystic BBS v1.12 A47 2021/12/24 (Raspberry Pi/32)
* Origin: seeLive's rustyHedgehog - therhh.dynv6.net:2300 (21:2/128)

On 26 Feb 2022, poindexter FORTRAN said the following...

That's hysterical... what a great way to encapsulate the whole point of why I think a lot of us are here... that blend of old and new technology... you watch someone is going to hook up alexa to an 8-track player now...

(,``,"> rusty sez... Re-livin' the dream...

--- Mystic BBS v1.12 A47 2021/12/24 (Raspberry Pi/32)
* Origin: seeLive's rustyHedgehog - therhh.dynv6.net:2300 (21:2/128)

That'll be the day.

$ The Millionaire $
--- SBBSecho 3.14-Linux
* Origin: Vertrauen - [vert/cvs/bbs].synchro.net (21:1/183)

poindexter FORTRAN wrote to Orbitman <=-

Orbitman wrote to The Millionaire <=-

Between the two formats, I'll take cassette every time. Audio on
8-track was not very good. Cassette was an improvement and easier
access to the tracks you wanted to hear.

I'm picturing a '70s audiophile with a reel-to-reel tape player in a Cadillac Eldorado. Quadrophonic stereo, of course.

Or my dad's circa 1959 or so car - maybe a Buick? - that had a little
turntable on the transmission hump. :-) Was small - only for 45's.




... Taglines? We don't need no stinking Taglines!
--- MultiMail/Mac v0.52
* Origin: Omicron Theta * Southaven MS * winserver.org (21:2/136)

seeLive wrote to poindexter FORTRAN <=-

On 26 Feb 2022, poindexter FORTRAN said the following...

"Alexa, play Neil Diamond..."

That's hysterical... what a great way to encapsulate the whole point of why I think a lot of us are here... that blend of old and new technology... you watch someone is going to hook up alexa to an 8-track player now...

LOL - that would be cool. :-) I remember people taking early iPods and
putting them in place of the 'guts' of the original Macintosh. :-)




... I'm being held prisoner in a chocolate factory. Don't send help.
--- MultiMail/Mac v0.52
* Origin: Omicron Theta * Southaven MS * winserver.org (21:2/136)

Jimmy Anderson wrote to Seelive <=-

LOL - that would be cool. :-) I remember people taking early iPods and putting them in place of the 'guts' of the original Macintosh. :-)

An iPad mini fits nicely into the screen opening of an old Macintosh Plus. Pair it with a bluetooth keyboard and you're off to the races.

If someone would make an ADB to Bluetooth converter, you could use the original keyboard and mouse.


... No ceremonies are necessary.
--- MultiMail/DOS v0.52
* Origin: realitycheckBBS.org -- information is power. (21:4/122)

Nightfox wrote to The Millionaire <=-

Re: 8-Track Vs Cassette
By: The Millionaire to All on Sun Feb 20 2022 05:27 pm

What are your opinions on this subject?

I've never actually played an 8-track tape or owned a player. But I've heard cassette tapes are more convenient; I've heard you can't rewind
an 8-track tape.

Correct. We had 8 track players and they all had fast forward or track
select - nothing else. :-)






... I don't have time to wait for instant gratification.
___ MultiMail/Mac v0.52

--- Mystic BBS/QWK v1.12 A46 2020/03/02 (Windows/32)
* Origin: Dragonstalon BBS (21:2/164)

Nightfox wrote to Orbitman <=-

Re: Re: 8-Track Vs Cassette
By: Orbitman to boraxman on Fri Feb 25 2022 06:01 pm

Yes indeed. Having the disc/tape is miles better (to me anyway) than just a bunch of digital files. If I can see it sitting there...it calls to me and I'm more apt to play it. I spend all day on a computer at work and the last thing I want to do when I get home is get back on one just to listen to music.

To me, it's all the same (or very similar) in the end. You're still pushing buttons to play the music you want. I admit I find it more convenient to just load up the file rather than insert a physical
thing. Also, you can store a lot more on a USB drive than you can on a
CD or cassette. And especially when I'm driving, not having to fiddle with a cassette or disc is important.

This is the way I look at it... Same with a movie... If I can have a digital file to enjoy (streaming or on a 'machine' somewhere) the bottom line is that I'm still enjoying the content.

Now, that's not to say that audio from one is a different sound from another, but if I'm just getting content for a bit, I don't care. :-)




... I'm being held prisoner in a chocolate factory. Don't send help.
___ MultiMail/Mac v0.52

--- Mystic BBS/QWK v1.12 A46 2020/03/02 (Windows/32)
* Origin: Dragonstalon BBS (21:2/164)