• Studio Vs Live

    From The Millionaire@21:1/183 to All on Tue Feb 15 18:16:16 2022
    Which do you like more? Studio or live albums?

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  • From McDoob@21:4/135 to The Millionaire on Tue Feb 15 21:36:36 2022
    Which do you like more? Studio or live albums?

    Oh, studio by far! The audio quality is almost always better, and I'm not particularly interested in listening to a crowd when I'm trying to listen to a song.

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  • From Warpslide@21:3/110 to McDoob on Tue Feb 15 21:43:02 2022
    On 15 Feb 2022, McDoob said the following...

    Oh, studio by far! The audio quality is almost always better, and I'm not particularly interested in listening to a crowd when I'm trying to
    listen to a song.

    About the only "live" album I really liked was Nirvana's MTV Unplugged album back when I was in high school. Otherwise I agree with you, I much prefer studio albums.


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  • From The Millionaire@21:1/183 to McDoob on Tue Feb 15 19:01:52 2022


    Oh, studio by far! The audio quality is almost always better, and I'm not particularly interested in listening to a crowd when I'm trying to listen to a song.

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    Yes I like studio albums. That's why I became a studio recording engineer.

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  • From Al@21:4/106 to McDoob on Tue Feb 15 19:11:52 2022
    Which do you like more? Studio or live albums?

    Oh, studio by far! The audio quality is almost always better, and I'm not particularly interested in listening to a crowd when I'm trying to listen to a song.

    I also prefer the studio sound. I save the live experience for when I can get out and see something live.

    Frampton comes alive is an exception.

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  • From boraxman@21:1/101 to The Millionaire on Wed Feb 16 22:39:26 2022
    Which do you like more? Studio or live albums?

    Almost always, studio. Live can be good to hear a bands own take on their own song, a different interpretation, embellishments, etc, and some songs I think the live version sounds better than the studio (Like Spinning Plates by Radiohead is one example), but overall, studio.

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  • From acn@21:3/127.1 to The Millionaire on Wed Feb 16 17:59:00 2022
    Am 15.02.22 schrieb The Millionaire@21:1/183 in FSX_GEN:

    Hallo The,

    Which do you like more? Studio or live albums?

    I would say, primarily studio albums.

    But some bands do have some quite nice live albums with slightly
    different versions of a song.
    And sometimes singing the song together with the live audience (eg. in
    my car *g*) is quite nice :)

    Regards,
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  • From DustCouncil@21:1/227 to McDoob on Wed Feb 16 19:30:28 2022
    Oh, studio by far! The audio quality is almost always better, and I'm not particularly interested in listening to a crowd when I'm trying to
    listen to a song.

    They don't make enough recordings where a band plays live but without an audience, and in a venue properly mic'd and mixed. There is a series called Live from the Basement on YouTube that has a lot of actually stunning performances (I like the Sonic Youth one in particular) without the crowd noise.

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  • From Arelor@21:2/138 to acn on Wed Feb 16 13:42:46 2022
    Re: Re: Studio Vs Live
    By: acn to The Millionaire on Wed Feb 16 2022 05:59 pm

    Am 15.02.22 schrieb The Millionaire@21:1/183 in FSX_GEN:

    Hallo The,

    Which do you like more? Studio or live albums?

    I would say, primarily studio albums.

    But some bands do have some quite nice live albums with slightly
    different versions of a song.
    And sometimes singing the song together with the live audience (eg. in
    my car *g*) is quite nice :)

    Regards,
    Anna

    Pretty much this.

    Blind GUardian has some stuff that sounds better on Live than on Studio, for example, and some fans think Deep Purple sounds better Live too.

    Most people is the opposite. Manowar is total crap Live, but has some great Studio stuff.

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  • From Nightfox@21:1/137 to The Millionaire on Wed Feb 16 13:32:40 2022
    Re: Studio Vs Live
    By: The Millionaire to All on Tue Feb 15 2022 06:16 pm

    Which do you like more? Studio or live albums?

    Usually studio, but it depends. There are some live albums where I like how they played a song better on that album vs. the studio album.

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  • From Nightfox@21:1/137 to McDoob on Wed Feb 16 13:35:24 2022
    Re: Re: Studio Vs Live
    By: McDoob to The Millionaire on Tue Feb 15 2022 09:36 pm

    Which do you like more? Studio or live albums?

    Oh, studio by far! The audio quality is almost always better, and I'm not particularly interested in listening to a crowd when I'm trying to listen to a song.

    There are some live albums that I think sound pretty good. One live album in particular, "Stop Making Sense" by The Talking Heads was a live album, but for the album release, they somehow eliminated the crowd noise except mostly for the beginning & ends of the songs. In the middle of the songs there's no crowd noise.

    There's also a concert video release of Stop Making Sense, and they left the crowd noise in there throughout everything. The video release also has the full performance of "Take Me To The River" where David Byrne introduced the band by name (they cut that part out of the album version).

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  • From McDoob@21:4/135 to Nightfox on Wed Feb 16 17:17:02 2022
    Oh, studio by far! The audio quality is almost always better, and I'm particularly interested in listening to a crowd when I'm trying to li to a song.

    There are some live albums that I think sound pretty good. One live
    album in particular, "Stop Making Sense" by The Talking Heads was a live album, but for the album release, they somehow eliminated the crowd
    noise except mostly for the beginning & ends of the songs. In the
    middle of the songs there's no crowd noise.

    There's also a concert video release of Stop Making Sense, and they left the crowd noise in there throughout everything. The video release also has the full performance of "Take Me To The River" where David Byrne introduced the band by name (they cut that part out of the album
    version).

    I agree! There are definitely some live albums that are just as good, if not better, than studio. An example from my own collection is Portishead's Live
    at Roseland album.

    However, on average, taking the entirety of recorded music, studio > live. Unless you're in the audience, of course...

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  • From Nightfox@21:1/137 to McDoob on Wed Feb 16 16:00:50 2022
    Re: Re: Studio Vs Live
    By: McDoob to Nightfox on Wed Feb 16 2022 05:17 pm

    However, on average, taking the entirety of recorded music, studio > live. Unless you're in the audience, of course...

    I agree.
    Sometimes I like to listen to concert versions. It depends on my mood. There are times when I like to listen to a concert version and imagine I'm watching it live.

    One thing I like in Rush's live recordings is that Rush was known for their drummer (Neil Peart) doing an elaborate drum solo during the concert. Sometimes that's cool to listen to, though I think it's more fun to watch that on video, as just listening to drums for about 6 minutes or so can get a little tiresome.. :)

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  • From boraxman@21:1/101 to DustCouncil on Thu Feb 17 22:28:52 2022
    They don't make enough recordings where a band plays live but without an audience, and in a venue properly mic'd and mixed. There is a series called Live from the Basement on YouTube that has a lot of actually stunning performances (I like the Sonic Youth one in particular) without the crowd noise.


    Oh yes, Live from the Basement is quite good! I've run into a few stellar performances from that series.

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  • From boraxman@21:1/101 to Nightfox on Thu Feb 17 22:54:18 2022
    There are some live albums that I think sound pretty good. One live
    album in particular, "Stop Making Sense" by The Talking Heads was a live album, but for the album release, they somehow eliminated the crowd
    noise except mostly for the beginning & ends of the songs. In the
    middle of the songs there's no crowd noise.


    I have that album, and I didn't realise it was a live album until after I listened to it and read about it.

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  • From Ogg@21:4/106.21 to Nightfox on Thu Feb 17 09:16:00 2022
    Hello Nightfox!

    ** On Wednesday 16.02.22 - 16:00, Nightfox wrote to McDoob:

    One thing I like in Rush's live recordings is that Rush was known for
    their drummer (Neil Peart) doing an elaborate drum solo during the
    concert. Sometimes that's cool to listen to, though I think it's more fun to watch that on video, as just listening to drums for about 6 minutes or so can get a little tiresome.. :)


    I was at a Rush concert with "cheap" stage-side seats. At
    first I thought this was going to be bad. But it ended up being
    pretty cool to see the performance from the side.. I could see
    the full operation of the drummer. And.. I concur, listening
    to 6 minutes of drums on a CD could be tiring, but watching
    Pearts performance was very interesting. The band acknowledged
    the audience at the side seats during the performance and faced
    us directly many times.

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  • From poindexter FORTRAN@21:4/122 to DustCouncil on Thu Feb 17 06:32:00 2022
    DustCouncil wrote to McDoob <=-

    They don't make enough recordings where a band plays live but without
    an audience, and in a venue properly mic'd and mixed. There is a
    series called Live from the Basement on YouTube that has a lot of
    actually stunning performances (I like the Sonic Youth one in
    particular) without the crowd noise.

    I'm a big fan of Marillion, an old progrock band dating back to the late 1970s. Their label offer what they call "Front Row Club" recordings - live recordings of shows taken from the mixing board in the back. They have them listed by location and date; I've bought copies of the shows I went to. They capture the nuance of a live show well without distraction of the two non-
    fan girls on a double date talking through the show.




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  • From poindexter FORTRAN@21:4/122 to Arelor on Thu Feb 17 06:36:00 2022
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    Blind GUardian has some stuff that sounds better on Live than on
    Studio, for example, and some fans think Deep Purple sounds better Live too.

    Rush was awesome live.

    Motley Crue, pretty damn awful.


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  • From Nightfox@21:1/137 to Ogg on Thu Feb 17 09:10:00 2022
    Re: Studio Vs Live
    By: Ogg to Nightfox on Thu Feb 17 2022 09:16 am

    I was at a Rush concert with "cheap" stage-side seats. At
    first I thought this was going to be bad. But it ended up being
    pretty cool to see the performance from the side.. I could see
    the full operation of the drummer. And.. I concur, listening
    to 6 minutes of drums on a CD could be tiring, but watching
    Pearts performance was very interesting. The band acknowledged
    the audience at the side seats during the performance and faced
    us directly many times.

    That's cool. :)
    I've been to a few Rush concerts. The first was their Vapor Trails tour in 2002. For that one, there was a point where they were just jamming on stage and Alex Lifeson started talking and he started off with "I'd like to tell you a story of when I was attacked by a sandwich.." And he went on with his silly story. I had heard he was known for stuff like that. I saw Rush a couple more times after that but they didn't do anything silly like that again when I saw them.

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  • From seeLive@21:2/128 to The Millionaire on Thu Feb 17 15:27:26 2022
    On 15 Feb 2022, The Millionaire said the following...
    Yes I like studio albums. That's why I became a studio recording
    engineer.

    Cool! How'd you get started? I've always been interested, but never really had the opportunity... yet


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  • From The Millionaire@21:1/183 to seeLive on Thu Feb 17 14:28:38 2022

    On 15 Feb 2022, The Millionaire said the following...

    Cool! How'd you get started? I've always been interested, but never really had the opportunity... yet

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  • From Vk3jed@21:1/109 to Nightfox on Fri Feb 18 19:18:00 2022
    On 02-16-22 13:32, Nightfox wrote to The Millionaire <=-

    Re: Studio Vs Live
    By: The Millionaire to All on Tue Feb 15 2022 06:16 pm

    Which do you like more? Studio or live albums?

    Usually studio, but it depends. There are some live albums where I
    like how they played a song better on that album vs. the studio album.

    I lean towards studio recordings myself, though there's always exceptions.


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  • From Weatherman@21:1/132 to Poindexter Fortran on Fri Feb 18 08:38:54 2022

    Rush was awesome live.

    Never saw them live.

    Motley Crue, pretty damn awful.

    Yup, it is almost painful especially these days. One of the worst bands I saw live was The Cult. The vocalist couldn't even stand up or walk straight was couldn't sing worth a crap. He was too hammered to do anything.

    Some of the best live shows from bands that come to mind. Ones that I would say are even better live than on the recording. Metallica, Judas Priest, Iron Maiden, Whitesnake, and I was really impressed with Def Leppard (both years ago and even now). The older tunes are heavier and better, and Joe can still sing great!

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  • From seeLive@21:2/128 to The Millionaire on Fri Feb 18 12:27:26 2022
    On 17 Feb 2022, The Millionaire said the following...
    You take a course like I did.

    Ah... I was hoping for a little more back story... but, that works too... thanks


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  • From The Millionaire@21:1/183 to seeLive on Fri Feb 18 12:45:18 2022

    On 17 Feb 2022, The Millionaire said the following...

    Ah... I was hoping for a little more back story... but, that works too... thanks

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    Well now they teach you video production, music production and audio engineering. The course is about 9 months and costs around $10,000.00. You work in a school and a hands-on real studio environment. It's a very technical program and requires that you have a little background but not a lot to understand the course better and easier. There are girls/guys in this field now. 50/50 of both genders. Hope that helped. :-)

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  • From deon@21:2/116 to Weatherman on Sat Feb 19 10:13:16 2022
    Re: Re: Studio Vs Live
    By: Weatherman to Poindexter Fortran on Fri Feb 18 2022 08:38 am

    Hey Mark,

    Some of the best live shows from bands that come to mind. Ones that I would say are even better live than on the recording.
    Metallica,
    Judas Priest, Iron Maiden, Whitesnake, and I was really impressed with Def Leppard (both years ago and even now). The older tunes are
    heavier and better, and Joe can still sing great!

    - Mark
    ÿÿÿ

    I notice with your messages that is always 3 characters after your name (before the tearline & origin line). They dont seem to show up in Syncterm, but since I use a UTF-8 term they show as 3 question marks.

    Here is a hex dump of the message I'm reply to to show it - 3 x 0xff after your name:

    00000300 73 74 69 6c 6c 20 73 69 6e 67 20 67 72 65 61 74 |still sing great| 00000310 21 0d 0a 0d 0a 2d 20 4d 61 72 6b 0d 0a ff ff ff |!....- Mark.....| 00000320 0d 0a 2d 2d 2d 20 57 57 49 56 54 6f 73 73 20 76 |..--- WWIVToss v|

    What's those 0xff's ?


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  • From Weatherman@21:1/132 to Deon on Sat Feb 19 09:00:34 2022

    I notice with your messages that is always 3 characters after your name (before the tearline & origin line). They dont seem to show up in
    Syncterm, but since I use a UTF-8 term they show as 3 question marks.

    Here is a hex dump of the message I'm reply to to show it - 3 x 0xff after your name:

    00000300 73 74 69 6c 6c 20 73 69 6e 67 20 67 72 65 61 74 |still sing
    great| 00000310 21 0d 0a 0d 0a 2d 20 4d 61 72 6b 0d 0a ff ff ff |!....- Mark.....| 00000320 0d 0a 2d 2d 2d 20 57 57 49 56 54 6f 73 73 20 76 |..--- WWIVToss v|

    Strange, not really sure. My first thought would be WWIVTOSS stripping out any native WWIV colors for exporting to FTN - but there is no color in that line.

    At the point in time, it is just incredible that using this 35+ year old software is able to still work.

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  • From seeLive@21:2/128 to The Millionaire on Sat Feb 19 10:54:20 2022
    On 18 Feb 2022, The Millionaire said the following...
    Well now they teach you video production, music production and audio engineering. The course is about 9 months and costs around $10,000.00.
    You work in a school and a hands-on real studio environment. It's a very technical program and requires that you have a little background but not
    a lot to understand the course better and easier. There are girls/guys
    in this field now. 50/50 of both genders. Hope that helped. :-)

    cool... thanks


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  • From McDoob@21:4/135 to The Millionaire on Sat Feb 19 11:15:40 2022
    Well now they teach you video production, music production and audio engineering. The course is about 9 months and costs around $10,000.00.
    You work in a school and a hands-on real studio environment. It's a very technical program and requires that you have a little background but not
    a lot to understand the course better and easier. There are girls/guys
    in this field now. 50/50 of both genders. Hope that helped. :-)

    Interesting. The cost per school year for this course is about the same as I paid for my computer science degree. Of course, this was twenty years ago,
    and that degree took four years...

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  • From poindexter FORTRAN@21:4/122 to Weatherman on Fri Feb 18 06:27:00 2022
    Weatherman wrote to Poindexter Fortran <=-


    Priest, Iron Maiden, Whitesnake, and I was really impressed with Def Leppard (both years ago and even now). The older tunes are heavier and better, and Joe can still sing great!

    Robin McCauley, lead singer of MSG back in the late 80s/early 90s put a new album out recently, and sounds as heavy and has most of his high notes.
    Worth a listen.


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  • From Weatherman@21:1/132 to Poindexter Fortran on Sat Feb 19 15:00:32 2022

    Robin McCauley, lead singer of MSG back in the late 80s/early 90s put a
    new album out recently, and sounds as heavy and has most of his high
    notes. Worth a listen.

    Giving it a listen right now, and I agree! Really crunchy sound and an 80s metal band sound. I remember the old MSG band back in the 80s.

    Great to see him still rocking and putting out some crunchy tunes at almost 70 years old.

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