I know a lot of audiophiles out there will agree or disagree on this subjec easily.
The Millionaire wrote to All <=-
I know a lot of audiophiles out there will agree or disagree on
this subject easily.
I know a lot of audiophiles out there will agree or disagree on this subject easily.
The Millionaire wrote to All <=-
I know a lot of audiophiles out there will agree or disagree on this subject easily.
I know a lot of audiophiles out there will agree or disagree on this subject easily.
I know a lot of audiophiles out there will agree or disagree on this subject easily.
On 02-07-22 12:50, The Millionaire wrote to All <=-
I know a lot of audiophiles out there will agree or disagree on this subject easily.
On 02-09-22 13:52, keima wrote to Orbitman <=-
Yup, mini disc was huge here in Japan during the 90s. It is a great
format and was the logical next step after cassette, or atleast it was here.
keima wrote to Orbitman <=-
Yup, mini disc was huge here in Japan during the 90s. It is a great
format and was the logical next step after cassette, or atleast it was here.
Yup, mini disc was huge here in Japan during the 90s. It is a great format and was the logical next step after cassette, or atleast it was here.
Yup, mini disc was huge here in Japan during the 90s. It is a great
format and was the logical next step after cassette, or atleast it was here.
Keima
I had one of the cute portable Sony players when at university. Had
great fun making my own compilations of music onto it.
IMHO it wasn't that great. Worse sound quality than CD or DAT (because
it was lossy). The stupid copy-protection and the NetMD / USB transfer limitations were insane. It was only a bridge technology and was killed
by MP3 and flash memory. Until then cassette tapes and Discman were
often good enough.
I wish it had taken off here in the US. I found it in 1998 and have used it since then...although not heavily. I've recently become "infatuated" with i again and have been buying equipment and discs.
Nothing like a "mix tape" to take you back! :D I still have a couple of compilations on minidisc I made in '98.
Nothing like a "mix tape" to take you back! :D I still have a couple of compilations on minidisc I made in '98.
Nothing like a "mix tape" to take you back! :D I still have a couple of compilations on minidisc I made in '98.
Then it was on to the heady heights of a Creative Zen...
My opinion on this has more to do with the permanence of
the media. Destroying a vinyl record completely, by
accident, is relatively difficult. In 100 years, my vinyl
will still be playable; CDs are already succumbing to bit
rot and other problems.
Now, 20 years later, I've started to collect some refurbished (and some new) Hi-Fi separates for a future stack (my current apartment sadly
isn't ideal for setting this up). Among those, a Sony MDS-JE520 and a
Sony MDS-JB920, along with a bunch of brand new blanks... :-D
Then it was on to the heady heights of a Creative Zen... e>
I know a lot of audiophiles out there will agree or disagree on this subject easily.
My opinion on this has more to do with the permanence of the media. Destroying a vinyl record completely, by accident, is relatively difficult. In 100 years, my vinyl will still be playable; CDs are already succumbing to bit rot and other problems.
Anyway, who cares about vinyl vs CD when we have music streaming services? ;)
Physical media is very much retro.
I'd prefer CDs. I think it just sounds cleaner (no hissing or pops or crackles as when playing a record). And as far as the technology,
digital audio recording (such as CDs) has the capability of exactly reproducing the audio every time without wearing out so easily.
And when CDs came out, I heard CDs should technically be able to last hundreds of years. Some people say they've experienced bit rot and have gone bad over the years, but I'd have to wonder how they've been stored. Some of my oldest CDs and DVDs were ones I bought in the 90s and early 2000s and they have always played without any problems. I've tended to store them indoors on a shelf though, and lately, they've been in
closets. If you store optical media near a window or in another place where they'll get sunlight for extended periods of time, or in very musty/humdi conditions, I coudl see how their lifespan would be reduced.
Nightfox
I've yet to see a CD go bad that I've purchased, and the oldest I have is fr 1996. Even the CD-ROM's I've burned, going back to 2001 work. The only one that eventually failed where the ones on cheap media, and a few from a fault spindle which is obviously a manufacturing defect.
CD's are best stored in a cool, dry area, and stored on their side I believe
I've yet to see a CD go bad that I've purchased, and the oldest I have is from 1996. Even the CD-ROM's I've burned, going back to 2001 work. The only ones that eventually failed where the ones on cheap media, and a few from a faulty spindle which is obviously a manufacturing defect.
CD's are best stored in a cool, dry area, and stored on their side I believe.
I think I still have a couple music CDs that I got in 1992. They still worked the last time I played/ripped them, but it has been a while. I also have a CD-R I burned in 2000 (my original BBS backup) and I was
still able to read it a couple years ago.
CD's are best stored in a cool, dry area, and stored on their side I believe.
But.. will the rubberbands for the turntables and will the cartridges/needles still be around after so many years? :/
But.. will the rubberbands for the turntables and will the
cartridges/needles still be around after so many years? :/
Well, new belts are still manufactured, and direct drive turntables exist.
While styluses wear over time, there's still a good stock and new production in 2022.
At the end of the day, though, I'd see recreating the early 1900s technology of turntables to be somewhat easier than recreating something that can play MP3s.
I've lost enough data over time that I'm paranoid of
anything digital just *poof* disappearing (and I'm in IT, not just a
user). Heck, when I was a kid, I played a record by gluing a pushpin onto the end of a cone made of a rolled up manila folder and spinning the turntable by hand.
Even if a record is *broken*, you could still stand a chance of recovering the data from it, albeit difficultly.
Permanence in an age of digital ephemera is an invaluable
attribute.
[...]But.. will the rubberbands for the turntables and will theWell, new belts are still manufactured, and direct drive turntables ex
cartridges/needles still be around after so many years? :/
While styluses wear over time, there's still a good stock and new production in 2022.
New turntables, cartridges, etc., are quite difficult to
find in the home entertainment market these days. However,
the DJ market tends to have a pretty good selection of new
equipment.
New turntables, cartridges, etc., are quite difficult to
find in the home entertainment market these days. However,
the DJ market tends to have a pretty good selection of new
equipment.
I'm surprised that DJs would even bother with tuntables.
Wouldn't it be easier to cue up tunes from digital files much
like how radio station seem to operate now?
Hello Greenlfc!
While styluses wear over time, there's still a good stock and new production in 2022.
That is reassuring, and somewhat astonishing actually. With LPs
(and vinyl in general) being such a much smaller market than
streaming services, I have to wonder what the justification
might be for companies to continue to invest in producing the
auxiliary supplies (cartridges/needles/tonearms/belts, etc) for
the turntable crowd.
At the end of the day, though, I'd see recreating the early 1900s Og> G> technology of turntables to be somewhat easier than recreating somethi Og> G> that can play MP3s. Og>
Did you mean to say CDs instead of MP3s? "Playing" mp3s is
just a software process. Playing CDs might require far too
many integrated circuits and electronics.
Even if a record is *broken*, you could still stand a chance of recove the data from it, albeit difficultly.
Have you heard of the project that was poised to digitize LPs
by passing a laser around the grooves?
Permanence in an age of digital ephemera is an invaluable
attribute.
I'd say longetivity over permanence. Permanence is valueless
at one's grave. :/
New turntables, cartridges, etc., are quite difficult to
find in the home entertainment market these days. However,
the DJ market tends to have a pretty good selection of new
equipment.
I'm surprised that DJs would even bother with tuntables.
Wouldn't it be easier to cue up tunes from digital files much
like how radio station seem to operate now?
Even if a record is *broken*, you could still stand a chance of
recovering the data from it, albeit difficultly.
Have you heard of the project that was poised to digitize LPs
by passing a laser around the grooves?
Permanence in an age of digital ephemera is an invaluable
attribute.
I'd say longetivity over permanence. Permanence is valueless
at one's grave. :/
Have you heard of the project that was poised to digitize
LPs by passing a laser around the grooves?
I remember the laser turntable featured in hifi magazines in the 80s. Too bad there was already a much better and much cheaper laser based
technology available ;)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Laser_turntable
"Although these turntables use laser pickups, the same as
Compact Disc players, the signal remains in the analog realm
and is never digitized. "
It is actually a shame that the system wouldn't digitize while
it had the chance!
That is reassuring, and somewhat astonishing actually. With LPs
(and vinyl in general) being such a much smaller market than
streaming services, I have to wonder what the justification
might be for companies to continue to invest in producing the
auxiliary supplies (cartridges/needles/tonearms/belts, etc) for
the turntable crowd.
Have you heard of the project that was poised to digitize LPs
by passing a laser around the grooves?
[...] I have to wonder what the justification might be
for companies to continue to invest in producing the
auxiliary supplies (cartridges/needles/tonearms/belts,
etc) for the turntable crowd.
I've been wondering about that for a while. I keep hearing
about people who have gotten rid of their CDs and DVDs and
streaming more, but apparently there is more demand for
vinyl records? I don't really get it.
[...] but I also heard that a laser turntable also tends to
be more affected by dust & other particles than a
traditional turnable would be. A laser turntable will
recreate the sound of all the grooves it reads, and dust
and other particles will come across as noise, so the
record really needs to be clean to work with a laser
turntable.
about people who have gotten rid of their CDs and DVDs and
streaming more, but apparently there is more demand for
vinyl records? I don't really get it.
The world is full of wonders. Maybe its partially a new
generation that wants the experience. Meanwhile, the quality
of vinyl has improved (it's heavier). I remember some releases
out in pewter many years ago. Mannheim Steamroller recordings
was one of them.
[...] but I also heard that a laser turntable also tends to
be more affected by dust & other particles than a
traditional turnable would be. A laser turntable will
recreate the sound of all the grooves it reads, and dust
and other particles will come across as noise, so the
record really needs to be clean to work with a laser
turntable.
You'd think that they could implement a filter to remove the
obvious spikes. And.. while they are at it, "store" a
recording of the play - or provide a convenient audio-out to
acomplish that with aux equipment. Not sure what the
engineering thought-process was for any of that.
On 02-25-22 14:21, Nightfox wrote to Ogg <=-
There are still other downsides to vinyl records (which I'm not a fan
of): Hiss and other noise is one of them. Also, one thing I've heard
is that since vinyl records basically have just one groove spiraling
from the outside toward the center of the record, that means as the
needle gets toward the center, there is less and less groove passing
under the needle for every turn, so higher frequencies aren't
represented well toward the center of a record (because the record constantly spins at the same rate). Other formats such as CD and
cassette don't have that issue.
Hello Jeff!
** On Sunday 20.02.22 - 13:38, Jeff wrote to Ogg:
J> New turntables, cartridges, etc., are quite difficult to
J> find in the home entertainment market these days. However,
J> the DJ market tends to have a pretty good selection of new
J> equipment.
I'm surprised that DJs would even bother with tuntables.
Wouldn't it be easier to cue up tunes from digital files much
like how radio station seem to operate now?
It is actually a shame that the system wouldn't digitize while
it had the chance!
From what I understood about this, the problem was that
tiny dust particles which would normally be pushed/plowed
away by a stylus were treated as imperfections by that
pickup laser.
Anyway.. Now the catalog of material that is NOT already
digitized by enterprising projects like Tidal and Spotify, make
the process moot, and much less expensive for the end user.
I'm surprised at how far back Spotify's catalog will reach.
It seems that the laser LP player arrived a bit too late.
On 03-01-22 08:55, Ogg wrote to Atreyu <=-
Anyway.. Now the catalog of material that is NOT already
digitized by enterprising projects like Tidal and Spotify, make
the process moot, and much less expensive for the end user.
I'm surprised at how far back Spotify's catalog will reach.
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