• III Nuclear War? or only a fight betwen 2 countries?

    From x1pepe@21:1/150 to All on Sun Feb 6 16:40:46 2022
    Hi all!
    Probably you had see in the news the Russia and Ukraine crissis.

    So what do you think about it?

    Some times I think it's just a Russia tip to negociate the gas cost to
    Europe, but then when I see all these soldiers near the frontier, some tell
    me there is maybe more than a two countries confict ...

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  • From Arelor@21:2/138 to x1pepe on Sun Feb 6 12:57:18 2022
    Re: III Nuclear War? or only a fight betwen 2 countries?
    By: x1pepe to All on Sun Feb 06 2022 04:40 pm

    Hi all!
    Probably you had see in the news the Russia and Ukraine crissis.

    So what do you think about it?

    Some times I think it's just a Russia tip to negociate the gas cost to Europe, but then when I see all these soldiers near the frontier, some tell me there is maybe more than a two countries confict ...

    I think politics is banned in this place, which I understand would also ban geopolitics.

    (I personally think Putin will press until he is given some benefit he likes, and will take it and pretend to be placated for a couple of years before starting throwing threats around again).

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  • From Utopian Galt@21:4/108 to Arelor on Sun Feb 6 11:49:32 2022
    BY: Arelor(21:2/138)


    I think politics is banned in this place, which I understand would also
    ban
    geopolitics.
    Do we have any Russian nodes?


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  • From McDoob@21:4/135 to x1pepe on Sun Feb 6 16:30:26 2022
    Hi all!
    Probably you had see in the news the Russia and Ukraine crissis.

    So what do you think about it?

    Some times I think it's just a Russia tip to negociate the gas cost to Europe, but then when I see all these soldiers near the frontier, some tell me there is maybe more than a two countries confict ...


    Wars, and rumours of war...

    I'm too busy working my a$$ off just to pay my bills to care about what's happening on the other side of the planet.

    But, I'm a Canuck. I get to lead the sheltered life, knowing that no country would dare attack us, for fear of global (or maybe just US?) wrath. Everybody loves Canada! We're America's little brother! (o_O)

    I literally cannot imagine how the average Ukraine citizen feels. I can only imagine how I'd feel. And I'd feel like putting boot to a$$, if someone else tried to forcefully invade my particular portion of dirt...

    I feel like this discussion may be breaking the "no politics" rule on fsxNet, though...

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  • From Arelor@21:2/138 to Utopian Galt on Sun Feb 6 16:01:58 2022
    Re: Re: III Nuclear War? or only a fight betwen 2 countries?
    By: Utopian Galt to Arelor on Sun Feb 06 2022 11:49 am

    BY: Arelor(21:2/138)


    I think politics is banned in this place, which I understand would also ban
    geopolitics.
    Do we have any Russian nodes?

    No idea.

    But there are Europeans (I am one) in this network who might have ideas :)

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  • From Utopian Galt@21:4/108 to Mcdoob on Sun Feb 6 16:17:12 2022
    BY: McDoob(21:4/135)


    I literally cannot imagine how the average Ukraine citizen feels. I can
    only
    imagine how I'd feel. And I'd feel like putting boot to a$$, if someone
    else
    tried to forcefully invade my particular portion of dirt...
    I want world peace because war is expensive and usually unecessary. Other conversations would be taboo here, but I think as long as you are pragmatic sometimes deviations are ok.


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  • From McDoob@21:4/135 to Utopian Galt on Sun Feb 6 20:16:00 2022
    I want world peace because war is expensive and usually unecessary. Other conversations would be taboo here, but I think as long as you are pragmatic sometimes deviations are ok.

    I don't agree, sir. I honestly would prefer that fsxNet never hear about the world's politics. Please discuss your version of 'deviation' in private.

    Signed;
    Single White Man;

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  • From Gamgee@21:2/138 to McDoob on Sun Feb 6 20:16:00 2022
    McDoob wrote to Utopian Galt <=-

    I want world peace because war is expensive and usually unecessary. Other conversations would be taboo here, but I think as long as you are pragmatic sometimes deviations are ok.

    I don't agree, sir. I honestly would prefer that fsxNet never
    hear about the world's politics.

    Then why did you just make a fairly lengthy post about such things?

    Please discuss your version of 'deviation' in private.

    Please take your hypocrisy elsewhere.


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  • From McTest@21:4/135 to Gamgee on Sun Feb 6 22:43:34 2022
    ... Ignorance can be cured. Stupid is forever.

    You're proof!

    Stop, stupid! I am trying my best to abide by the Golden Rule, and by the fxsNet values!

    What are you doing? When was the last time you contributed any useful
    thought, Dan? Stop making yourself look like an a$$hole!

    Sorry, Avon! (v_v)

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  • From McDoob@21:4/135 to McTest on Sun Feb 6 22:51:16 2022
    ... Ignorance can be cured. Stupid is forever.

    You're proof!

    OMG! \(@_@)/

    Couldn't have said it better myself!

    Oh...I'm pretty sure I just did...ne'r mind... (^_^)

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  • From Vk3jed@21:1/109 to Utopian Galt on Mon Feb 7 14:51:00 2022
    On 02-06-22 11:49, Utopian Galt wrote to Arelor <=-

    Do we have any Russian nodes?

    Given the number of Russian BBSs on Fidonet, I wouldn't be surprised to see Russian nodes here.


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  • From McDoob@21:4/135 to Vk3jed on Sun Feb 6 23:01:50 2022
    Do we have any Russian nodes?

    Given the number of Russian BBSs on Fidonet, I wouldn't be surprised to see Russian nodes here.

    Just so we're all clear here:

    Are you sure you want to mention 'Russians' in a thread titled 'WWIII Nuclear War?'

    Pretty sure I don't! \(@_@)/

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  • From boraxman@21:1/101 to x1pepe on Mon Feb 7 19:23:04 2022
    Probably you had see in the news the Russia and Ukraine crissis.

    So what do you think about it?

    Some times I think it's just a Russia tip to negociate the gas cost to Europe, but then when I see all these soldiers near the frontier, some tell me there is maybe more than a two countries confict ...

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    I'm not an expert in this area, but the USA has "walked back" their comments about an imminent invasion. Jen Psaki said something along the lines about their communication not sending the right message, but I think they were just bending the truth and got caught out.

    This isn't the first time the new cycle has gone through this, remember 6 or so years ago the same story was going around.

    When Russia look like they are preparing to treat a large number of casualties, then you should be worried. WWIII I don't think this is.

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  • From Joacim Melin@21:2/130 to x1pepe on Mon Feb 7 09:48:56 2022
    Hi all!
    Probably you had see in the news the Russia and Ukraine crissis.

    So what do you think about it?

    Some times I think it's just a Russia tip to negociate the gas cost to Europe, but then when I see all these soldiers near the frontier,
    some tell
    me there is maybe more than a two countries confict ...

    Politics aside, I think Putin should go back to his Datja and have a drink and do whatever he does to chill out. Pull back the troops and de-escalate the entire situation.


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  • From Joacim Melin@21:2/130 to Arelor on Mon Feb 7 09:50:12 2022
    Re: Re: III Nuclear War? or only a fight betwen 2 countries?
    By: Utopian Galt to Arelor on Sun Feb 06 2022 11:49 am

    BY: Arelor(21:2/138)


    I think politics is banned in this place, which I understand would also
    ban
    geopolitics.
    Do we have any Russian nodes?

    No idea.

    But there are Europeans (I am one) in this network who might have
    ideas :)

    Well, we (Sweden) are increasingly worried about the ruskies invading the island of Gotland so we have sent a bunch of troops there together with tanks, fighter planes and whatever else we could scrape together.

    Problem is, should Putin take Gotland, he will most likely take Finland too and in the process really piss off NATO and the US since the next country after Sweden is Norway which is a NATO member. I hope Russia backs off from Ukraine and just chill the fuck out.


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  • From Gamgee@21:2/138 to McTest on Mon Feb 7 07:58:00 2022
    McTest wrote to Gamgee <=-

    ... Ignorance can be cured. Stupid is forever.

    You're proof!

    There's insult #1 of your post.

    Stop, stupid! I am trying my best to abide by the Golden Rule,
    and by the fxsNet values!

    Really? By calling me "stupid"? Convenient how you clipped out all
    context above, indeed you clipped out *ALL* of my message and only
    posted the tagline that I used. For the record, my reply was (politely) asking you to stop being a hypocrite regarding telling people to not
    post political matter, RIGHT AFTER you got done posting a fairly lengthy
    post about...... politics.

    What are you doing? When was the last time you contributed any
    useful thought, Dan? Stop making yourself look like an a$$hole!

    What am I doing? I'm replying to your messages as I see fit, when they
    are full of lies/inaccuracies/hypocrisy. Stop posting that kind of
    garbage and I won't reply to you. Easy, eh?

    Sorry, Avon! (v_v)

    Sure you are. Just like you post political garbage and then tell others
    not to do it. Yeah, you're pretty believeable.

    Oh, and why the new name above (McTest)? You aren't trying to hide, are
    you?



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  • From Avon@21:1/101 to Arelor on Tue Feb 8 16:22:58 2022
    On 06 Feb 2022 at 12:57p, Arelor pondered and said...

    I think politics is banned in this place, which I understand would also ban geopolitics.

    Hi there :)

    Yes that's correct at this stage/time.

    I confess I do find myself wondering if it would be helpful to spin up 1-2 echos to serve peoples desire to discuss geopolitical issues etc.?

    Geopolitics aside it felt like the rest of the bad discord/acromny that led me to ask folks refrain from country politics some months agao now, was because of all the USA political discussions taking place during the Trump presidency. Around then if/when the subject of USA politics came up it got heated and things went downhill fast. Hardly a fun / helpful / kind / respectful space. So yeah...

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  • From Avon@21:1/101 to Utopian Galt on Tue Feb 8 16:23:34 2022
    On 06 Feb 2022 at 11:49a, Utopian Galt pondered and said...

    Do we have any Russian nodes?

    Mmm, no I don't think we do at this time.

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  • From Avon@21:1/101 to Utopian Galt on Tue Feb 8 16:26:18 2022
    On 06 Feb 2022 at 04:17p, Utopian Galt pondered and said...

    I want world peace because war is expensive and usually unecessary. Other conversations would be taboo here, but I think as long as you are pragmatic sometimes deviations are ok.

    I agree people can be pragmatic, you will see I am also pondering if a dedicated echo for geopolitical discussions might be an option. That said I fear it could get shouty and angry very quickly if it did get spun up :(

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  • From Avon@21:1/101 to McTest on Tue Feb 8 16:34:28 2022

    On 06 Feb 2022 at 10:43p, McTest pondered and said...

    ... Ignorance can be cured. Stupid is forever.

    You're proof!

    Hi there

    Take this exchange to netmail please. I'd also suggest don't bite, it's clear you both don't agree on a bunch of stuff so why make things worse by further arguments. I don't agree with either side name calling, and request you both stop / take it to netmail.

    Stop, stupid! I am trying my best to abide by the Golden Rule, and by the fxsNet values!

    Thanks

    What are you doing? When was the last time you contributed any useful thought, Dan? Stop making yourself look like an a$$hole!
    Sorry, Avon! (v_v)

    You're not helping your case of trying to abide by the network values when I read this. Time to move on from this thanks.

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  • From Avon@21:1/101 to Gamgee on Tue Feb 8 16:36:26 2022
    On 07 Feb 2022 at 07:58a, Gamgee pondered and said...

    Really? By calling me "stupid"? Convenient how you clipped out all context above, indeed you clipped out *ALL* of my message and only
    posted the tagline that I used. For the record, my reply was (politely) asking you to stop being a hypocrite regarding telling people to not
    post political matter, RIGHT AFTER you got done posting a fairly lengthy post about...... politics.

    What are you doing? When was the last time you contributed any
    useful thought, Dan? Stop making yourself look like an a$$hole!

    What am I doing? I'm replying to your messages as I see fit, when they are full of lies/inaccuracies/hypocrisy. Stop posting that kind of garbage and I won't reply to you. Easy, eh?


    Hi there

    While it's clear to all that both you guys don't seem to see things eye to eye and/or rub each other up the wrong way. Can you please take such banter to netmail thanks.

    Cheers

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  • From boraxman@21:1/101 to Avon on Tue Feb 8 23:06:02 2022
    Geopolitics aside it felt like the rest of the bad discord/acromny that led me to ask folks refrain from country politics some months agao now, was because of all the USA political discussions taking place during the Trump presidency. Around then if/when the subject of USA politics came
    up it got heated and things went downhill fast. Hardly a fun / helpful / kind / respectful space. So yeah...


    I wouldn't expect it to be any better now. There's a FidoNet group or two for politics and DoveNet can get political. Might be worth quarantining any political discussion to just one echo, so people can discuss other things elsewhere without people making it political.

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  • From Vk3jed@21:1/109 to McDoob on Wed Feb 9 13:14:00 2022
    On 02-06-22 23:01, McDoob wrote to Vk3jed <=-

    Do we have any Russian nodes?

    Given the number of Russian BBSs on Fidonet, I wouldn't be surprised to see Russian nodes here.

    Just so we're all clear here:

    Are you sure you want to mention 'Russians' in a thread titled 'WWIII Nuclear War?'

    Pretty sure I don't! \(@_@)/

    Sting has already sung about this. :)


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  • From shinobi@21:1/153 to Arelor on Sat Feb 12 16:02:24 2022
    Do we have any Russian nodes?

    Well I'm from Czech. That's 1 country far away from the Ukraine (that middle country is Slovak). And I don't feel very well about the current situation.
    I do watch the state of the soldiers gathering at Ukraine's border for
    several months. And I guess now we're getting to unchartered territory with what will happen.
    So far I never lived in a war. The oldest mention was from my grandmother
    that lived during II. World War. And the stories were really scary. It's
    really not a nice thing to live during such a time. I guess there are not really many people considering what real war looks like.
    The nearest thing that touched me in this manner is some Ukraine immigrants leaving Czech probably to defend their country.
    There is a pattern Russia attacking during Olympic games. Historically it was
    a peaceful time. But try to search for it and 2008 and 2014 were years of Russia invading another countries.

    I hope the situation will normalize somehow

    Take care and have a nice day

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  • From MeaTLoTioN@21:1/158.1 to shinobi on Sat Feb 12 15:59:56 2022

    On Feb 12th 3:07 pm shinobi said...
    Do we have any Russian nodes?

    Well I'm from Czech. That's 1 country far away from the Ukraine (that middle country is Slovak). And I don't feel very well about the current situation. I do watch the state of the soldiers gathering at Ukraine's border for several months. And I guess now we're getting to unchartered territory with what will happen. So far I never lived in a war. The oldest mention was from my grandmother that lived during II. World War. And the stories were really scary. It's really not a nice thing to live during such a time. I guess there are not really many people considering what real war looks like. The nearest thing that touched me in this manner is some Ukraine immigrants leaving Czech probably to defend their country. There is a pattern Russia attacking during Olympic games. Historically it was a peaceful time. But try to search for it and 2008 and 2014 were years of Russia invading another countries.

    I hope the situation will normalize somehow

    I have been watching the news closely in this, and I am so worried for you and others nearby. Just yesterday a news-flash thing appeared on my phone from the BBC saying any Britons in Ukraine are to leave *now*. This is such a troubling time for so many people and I hope that this ends peacefully.

    Thoughts and prayers are with you and the other people who this affects directly, and indirectly.



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  • From shinobi@21:1/153 to MeaTLoTioN on Sat Feb 12 19:38:36 2022
    I hope the situation will normalize somehow

    I have been watching the news closely in this, and I am so worried for
    you and others nearby. Just yesterday a news-flash thing appeared on my phone from the BBC saying any Britons in Ukraine are to leave *now*.
    This is such a troubling time for so many people and I hope that this
    ends peacefully.

    I do hope too. The motivation of conflicts like this are unknown for me.
    It would seem to me that we as human beings are much further.

    Thoughts and prayers are with you and the other people who this affects directly, and indirectly.

    Thank You very much. I do pray for this to end well.

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  • From boraxman@21:1/101 to MeaTLoTioN on Sun Feb 13 12:37:00 2022
    I have been watching the news closely in this, and I am so worried for
    you and others nearby. Just yesterday a news-flash thing appeared on my phone from the BBC saying any Britons in Ukraine are to leave *now*.
    This is such a troubling time for so many people and I hope that this
    ends peacefully.

    Thoughts and prayers are with you and the other people who this affects directly, and indirectly.


    It could be like the Crimea, where they just... turn up and take over.

    I don't trust Western news anymore, too much misinformation and fearmongering.

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  • From TALIADON@21:3/138 to x1pepe on Thu Feb 17 17:52:58 2022
    Some times I think it's just a Russia tip to negociate the gas cost to Europe, but then when I see all these soldiers near the frontier, some tell me there is maybe more than a two countries confict ...

    TBH, I don't think the Russians are asking any more than the US has in the past: the Russians don't want NATO weapons on Ukrainian soil any more than
    the Americans wanted Russian missiles on Cuban soil. Of course, if Putin's intentions are more nefarious - a new Soviet Union perhaps - then there may
    be no stopping him.

    Hopefully, cooler heads will prevail.

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  • From McDoob@21:4/135 to TALIADON on Thu Feb 17 12:59:18 2022
    Sorry, sir, but I must remind you of the 'no politics' rule of fsxNet.

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  • From TALIADON@21:3/138 to McDoob on Sun Feb 20 16:56:40 2022
    Sorry, sir, but I must remind you of the 'no politics' rule of fsxNet.

    Quite right McDoob; I almost forgot myself for a second :)

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