Hello Vk3jed!

** On Sunday 30.01.22 - 20:08, Vk3jed wrote to boraxman:

I like web forums because you can scroll through the
entire forum very easily.

I dislike their sluggishness and convoluted navigation (I
_really_ dislike having to go in and back out constantly -
offline readers allow auto advance to the next group).

Isn't there a greater "sluggishness" in voice ham radio? ;)

I mean.. the back and for chatter has inherant delays!


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On 01-30-22 09:33, Ogg wrote to Vk3jed <=-

Isn't there a greater "sluggishness" in voice ham radio? ;)

I mean.. the back and for chatter has inherant delays!

Very different, and on local RF, it's possible to break in quickly if needed - press the button, the radio transmits, not click the link, message comes up in 10 seconds (maybe). ;)


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Hello Vk3jed!

** On Monday 31.01.22 - 15:00, Vk3jed wrote to Ogg:

Isn't there a greater "sluggishness" in voice ham radio? ;)
I mean.. the back and for chatter has inherant delays!

Very different, and on local RF, it's possible to break in
quickly if needed - press the button, the radio transmits,

You can't really break in when the other party is transmitting.
That other party won't hear your break-in while they are still
jabbering on.

Unless your RF rig is just akin to a public radio talk-show
(transmit only), I think the delays in ham are more salient
than a few ms on a website. ;)

not click the link, message comes up in 10 seconds (maybe).
;)

When you press the button to transmit your info/question/
request, the response is far longer than a few ms when clicking
a link. :D

I just find it amusing that a bit of lag in forums/websites is
operational degrading factor for you, but the ham-talk delays
don't even register. ;)

Perhaps the difference has something to do with your eyes. On
the computer, the delay is frustrating because you are engaged
in expecting a visual response and not getting the "instant"
response following a click. Whereas, on radio, after you
transmit, you can simply gaze into the distance knowing that
you are not going to expect a visual response from your action
on the radio. (?)

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On 01-31-22 00:39, Ogg wrote to Vk3jed <=-

You can't really break in when the other party is transmitting.
That other party won't hear your break-in while they are still
jabbering on.

True, but that's a minority of situations, most of the time, waiting is perfectly normal.

Unless your RF rig is just akin to a public radio talk-show
(transmit only), I think the delays in ham are more salient
than a few ms on a website. ;)

not click the link, message comes up in 10 seconds (maybe).
;)

When you press the button to transmit your info/question/
request, the response is far longer than a few ms when clicking
a link. :D

I just find it amusing that a bit of lag in forums/websites is
operational degrading factor for you, but the ham-talk delays
don't even register. ;)

Very different. On radio, the data is a voice stream that's being decoded in real time. Mind you, I do find verbal instructions can be annoying, or video instructions. It all depends on the degree of interactivity required.

Perhaps the difference has something to do with your eyes. On
the computer, the delay is frustrating because you are engaged
in expecting a visual response and not getting the "instant"
response following a click. Whereas, on radio, after you
transmit, you can simply gaze into the distance knowing that
you are not going to expect a visual response from your action
on the radio. (?)

Also, message reading is a very different process. One is not decoding a stream of information. One is initiating an action, and those 10 seconds are a time when there is no information to decode. At my reading speeds, that's the equivalent to a huge chunk of text that's just spent waiting. Very short messages (like a sentance) I can take in very quickly (like a fraction of a second).

The effect on message reading is dramatic - between 2 and 10 times reduction of throughput (number of messages).


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