• Re: What is going on in Australia

    From djatropine@21:1/121 to Greenlfc on Thu Dec 23 20:33:46 2021

    On Wednesday, December 1st Greenlfc was heard saying...
    Here in Oklahoma, USA, very few people care about the 'rona. Under 10% are masking and I just saw my first double masker in three months the other day. We're almost normal here. Someone I know who does works on Covid patients said there aren't many people on her floor in the hospital, so we must be doing something right.

    I believe Oklahoma is more interested in humanely capturing a live bigfoot. And bigfoot is in South East Oklahoma. :D



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  • From Solaris@21:2/1202 to All on Fri Nov 19 21:54:08 2021
    So here in the state we don't hear much about the land down under. How ever on social media it looks like you in total lock down with zero rights . I Hear you cant go Home if the region your from is in lock down, QR scanners at all public places , cant swim at thee beach , cant cut your grass . What is going on ....

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  • From apam@21:1/151 to Solaris on Sat Nov 20 14:10:16 2021
    For politics, I hear DoveNet General or Debate are great places.

    Here, is not.

    Andrew

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  • From Avon@21:1/101 to Solaris on Sat Nov 20 17:36:16 2021
    On 19 Nov 2021 at 09:54p, Solaris pondered and said...

    So here in the state we don't hear much about the land down under. How ever on social media it looks like you in total lock down with zero
    rights . I Hear you cant go Home if the region your from is in lock
    down, QR scanners at all public places , cant swim at thee beach , cant cut your grass . What is going on ....

    Hi Solaris.

    I'd suggest move this thread to an othernet where politics are
    discussed. If you're looking to chat about peoples rights etc. I'd say this one could get political fairly quickly and we've opted to keep politics out of fsxNet as it's often led to discord when it has been covered.

    Cheers and thanks.

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  • From deon@21:2/116 to Solaris on Sat Nov 20 16:59:00 2021
    Re: What is going on in Australia
    By: Solaris to All on Fri Nov 19 2021 09:54 pm

    So here in the state we don't hear much about the land down under. How ever on social media it looks like you in total lock down with
    zero
    rights . I Hear you cant go Home if the region your from is in lock down, QR scanners at all public places , cant swim at thee beach ,
    cant cut your grass . What is going on ....

    So firstly, social media is not a good source of the truth. Its that old saying, if you go to a bad restaurant you tell everyone about it, but if you go to a "not bad" one, you invariably tell less people about it. So I'm guessing you've been hearing all the bad stuff out of context. I'm not a fan of some of the news sites for similar reasons, since they only tell you about the bad things and often glorify it.

    Secondly, I live near the beach, with kids and for the last 2 years we've walked along the beach pretty much daily - if anything to get out of our house while the state has gone through various stages of lockdown (while this virus has been causing havoc).

    Yes, in Victoria at least, there have been various stages of lockdowns with a brief amount of time with curfews and distance limits (of how far you can go from your house). Our state boarders have also closed at various times, which means if you were on the wrong side of the boarder there was a "process" to pass it. (And our states are pretty big.)

    But now, I think most of Australia is "open" with international travel starting soon (if it hasnt already).




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  • From apam@21:1/151 to deon on Sat Nov 20 16:33:06 2021
    So firstly, social media is not a good source of the truth. Its that
    old saying, if you go to a bad restaurant you tell everyone about it,
    but if you go to a "not bad" one, you invariably tell less people
    about it. So I'm guessing you've been hearing all the bad stuff out of context.

    Not only that, but on social media everyone has a point of view. It's not reporting facts, it's reporting ones interpretation of the facts. Also if you're reading something on social media, it's almost certainly something
    you politically agree with, or else you would have unfollowed them.

    Andrew

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  • From Solaris@21:2/1202 to deon on Sat Nov 20 09:56:06 2021
    But now, I think most of Australia is "open" with international travel starting soon (if it hasnt already).

    Im not trying to be political I was really just trying to find out what goes on . For what ever reason we don't see any news out of there. Thats good new you guys are opening up now . Thanks for responding .

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  • From Blue White@21:4/134 to apam on Sat Nov 20 10:07:12 2021
    apam wrote to deon <=-

    Not only that, but on social media everyone has a point of view. It's
    not reporting facts, it's reporting ones interpretation of the facts.

    Here in the USA, you could exchange "social media" for "network news" and
    it'd still be true! :D It used to be they had to preface an op-ed piece
    as such, but that went by the wayside at some point.

    If it is a locally-produced report on the local news, I am more willing to believe it to be actual news. Otherwise, I want to see it multiple places before I assume it isn't an op-ed piece.



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  • From Blue White@21:4/134 to Avon on Sat Nov 20 10:13:46 2021
    Avon wrote to Solaris <=-

    I'd suggest move this thread to an othernet where politics are
    discussed.

    Because he is asking Australia-specific questions, that might prove more difficult. I rarely see any folks from down-under in the politics echos on othernets/fido. North Americans, oh yeah. Europeans, some. Aussies and
    Kiwis seem more likely to either lurk or avoid them. That is probably wise.

    Is there a good internet source that those interested could check for Australian and/or NZ news, or are they all as bad as ours? :)


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  • From Mickey@21:1/156.1 to apam on Sat Nov 20 11:57:00 2021
    reporting facts, it's reporting ones interpretation of the facts. Also
    if
    you're reading something on social media, it's almost certainly
    something
    you politically agree with, or else you would have unfollowed them.

    Andrew

    Ahhh... the awesome magic of 'UNFOLLOW' :-)



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  • From deon@21:2/116 to Solaris on Sun Nov 21 09:59:54 2021
    Re: Re: What is going on in Australia
    By: Solaris to deon on Sat Nov 20 2021 09:56 am

    But now, I think most of Australia is "open" with international travel starting soon (if it hasnt already).

    Im not trying to be political I was really just trying to find out what goes on . For what ever reason we don't see any news out of
    there.
    Thats good new you guys are opening up now . Thanks for responding .

    Yeah I figured that.

    I'm guessing like most countries with states (could be wrong), but state governments managed this virus. In Australia our premier (state head) was probably a lot more stricter than the others. The numbers will verify that, as for the last 2 years we've been in "lock down" for almost 8 months of them (in total). ("Lock down" means we only had 4 permitted reasons to leave home.) There was an article by our local TV station that states that "Melbourne has spent more days in lockdown than any other world city" (I live in Melbourne).

    Certainly decisions were made over the last 2 years that didnt sit well with everybody, and I'm sure when an election comes up the people votes will be influenced on his ability to manage this virus.

    I must admit, the restrictions and curfews were something that I thought occured during major world wars, and I never imagined that I would experience it in my lifetime.

    But life is good now, kids are back at school, doing extra curicular activities and socialising has started again...


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  • From apam@21:1/151 to Blue White on Sun Nov 21 09:36:04 2021
    Is there a good internet source that those interested could check for Australian and/or NZ news, or are they all as bad as ours? :)

    There is the ABC abc.net.au which is probably the best, all the
    commercial channels, and newspapers are owned by Rupert Murdoch, so they
    all have a conservative spin (but if that's what you want, I guess it
    doesn't matter)

    Andrew

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  • From Utopian Galt@21:4/108 to apam on Sat Nov 20 13:06:10 2021
    For politics, I hear DoveNet General or Debate are great places.
    I know there are touchy issues in your land, but Im not going to touch
    that with a 10m boomerang.


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  • From Utopian Galt@21:4/108 to apam on Sat Nov 20 16:00:20 2021
    There is the ABC abc.net.au which is probably the best, all the
    commercial channels, and newspapers are owned by Rupert Murdoch, so
    they
    all have a conservative spin (but if that's what you want, I guess it doesn't matter)
    I mix both forms of news such as a community radio station that leans
    left and also rebel news which leans right where I do get perspectives
    outside of the leading news vendor News Corp.


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  • From apam@21:1/151 to Solaris on Sun Nov 21 15:24:18 2021
    Im not trying to be political I was really just trying to find out
    what goes on . For what ever reason we don't see any news out of
    there. Thats good new you guys are opening up now . Thanks for
    responding .

    To me, your question seemed very political, as it came from the point of
    view that what's happening in Australia is bad - which is a political
    point of view.

    Sure, lock downs aren't pleasant, but they kept Queensland /relatively/
    covid free. Covid that came here was almost always because someone
    decided the rules didn't apply to them.

    I'm not from Victoria, but my Sister and Brother-inlaw live in melbourne.
    It's been VERY hard on them, as they have a very autistic non-verbal son
    who couldn't go to school, and they had to work from home. I'm sure it's
    been just as tough for many familys there.

    They had covid licked for a minute, then some stupid removalist brought
    it back from NSW. All victoria's hard work for nothing, because someone
    decided they were more important and the rules didn't apply to them.

    Now, Victoria is led by a labour government, queensland a labour
    government, and western australia a labour government. NSW by a LNP (aka conservative) government, and so is the Federal government.

    So you have a constant bickering between the state and fedral level. (Our
    prime minister is a worthless sack of shit) who would constantly
    undermine state governments, refused to do ANY thing on quarantine (which
    is constiutionally a federal responsibility).

    So you can see why it is a touchy subject. And then we get people in USA
    saying they should invade australia to set us free from these tyrannical
    lock downs.

    It's all a point of view I suppose, there are those in australia who get
    all touchy about their "rights" but seem to forget that rights always
    come with responsibilities. They just had a big anti lockdown protest in Melbourne (AFTER THE LOCKDOWNS WERE LIFTED) and lets not forget the
    classy conservatives pissing on the shrine of rememberance. Our extra
    classy consertive elected members of parliment telling dan andrews to go
    fuck himself.

    The conservatives shout about how lock downs don't work, and the reason
    they dont work is because they refuse to be locked down. Oh my rights are
    being trampled on, who cares if a few thousand people die, i should be
    allowed to stroll on the beach. FUCK OFF.

    So you see why politics is not allowed here? It's inciteful. It pisses
    people off, why? because there is no discussion, it's all fore-gone
    conclusion. THis is BBSing, we must all be conservatives. We're not, but
    the minite someone who doesn't love Trump or whatever speaks up it's a
    pile on. Look at dovenet general or debate, thats not discussion. That's
    not debate. That's a bunch of right wing bullys shouting and egging their
    mates on to pile on the lefties.

    Now, I am pissed off. This is the kind of message the no politics rule is
    meant to prevent. This is why I try and say, politics elsewhere please.

    Don't worry Avon, I won't be writting any follow ups to this. I think
    people need to be aware that there are others with different view points
    than there own. It's not because we're to timid and afraid of our
    feelings being hurt. It's because we want this to be a place where
    politics is set aside and we can have meaningful conversation.

    Andrew

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  • From Solaris@21:2/1202 to apam on Sun Nov 21 11:14:38 2021
    Now, Victoria is led by a labour government, queensland a labour government, and western australia a labour government. NSW by a LNP (aka conservative) government, and so is the Federal government.

    Labour party and conservative , I assume the labor party is basically democratic , I like learning about world governments and how they work ...

    So I have no Idea why but it seems as tho the U.S. new only talks about Russia , China and as of late Poland . The only news about you guys is the Nuclear sub contract and how it has pissed china off , buts thats it .

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  • From Blue White@21:4/134 to apam on Sun Nov 21 09:24:20 2021
    apam wrote to Blue White <=-

    Is there a good internet source that those interested could check for Australian and/or NZ news, or are they all as bad as ours? :)

    There is the ABC abc.net.au which is probably the best, all the
    commercial channels, and newspapers are owned by Rupert Murdoch, so
    they all have a conservative spin (but if that's what you want, I guess
    it doesn't matter)

    Thanks. Here it does not matter who owns the commercial networks, they are
    all suspect. One of the non-Murdoch networks recently got banned from
    covering the remainder of a court case because one of their employees was caught (by running a red light or stop sign) following the jury bus in
    order to get pictures of the jurors, per direction of their boss.

    They have all mostly stooped to a level of journalism that used to be reserved for the tabloid newspapers.


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  • From Blue White@21:4/134 to deon on Sun Nov 21 09:27:20 2021
    deon wrote to Solaris <=-

    I'm guessing like most countries with states (could be wrong), but
    state governments managed this virus.

    Same in the United States, for the most part.



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  • From Blue White@21:4/134 to apam on Sun Nov 21 09:35:24 2021
    apam wrote to Solaris <=-

    but the minite someone who doesn't love Trump or whatever speaks up
    it's a pile on. Look at dovenet general or debate, thats not
    discussion. That's not debate. That's a bunch of right wing bullys shouting and egging their mates on to pile on the lefties.

    In other BBS forums, the reverse is also true, i.e. don't say anything that might make people think you liked Trump or his policies, or expect to get wailed on.

    As you concluded, best not to discuss it.

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  • From hdt@21:3/137 to Solaris on Mon Nov 22 09:46:32 2021
    Hi Solaris,

    I live in Melbourne, our claim to fame is being the most locked down city in the world. During the lock down we did not the right to protest, freedom of speech (people were fined or arrested if they say say anything about anti-vax) we had a 5km (3 miles) limit from our home meaning we can only travel that far to go to the shops or exercise, you can't return home if you are in Melbourne but Sydney was locked down at the same time. The state Premier (appropriately named Chairman Dan) got the police to start being a bit violent with the protesters by firing rubber bullets at unarmed crowd that refused to go home and wrestaling old ladies in the middle of the street, like always some police were enjoying the power trip too much at some stages.

    We exit lockdown last month but the state government wants to put in
    a new bill that will allow it to lock down the state when ever they technically feels like it (they current have state of emergency powers but it is due to expire on 15th Dec) this bill is on hold since the government don't have the numbers to pass it. There has been protest about this for the past 2 weeks on Saturday there were close to 400k people marching in the streets of Melbourne.

    At the moment there is a mandate that you need to be fully vax to enter non-essential shops which we want to stop. But most of the other stuff like travel limits are gone. We are fighting the bill so Chairman Dan won't have the power to bring those "rules" back.

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    So here in the state we don't hear much about the land down under. How ever on social media it looks like you in total lock down with zero
    rights . I Hear you cant go Home if the region your from is in lock
    down, QR scanners at all public places , cant swim at thee beach , cant cut your grass . What is going on ....


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  • From Gamgee@21:2/138 to apam on Sun Nov 21 18:17:00 2021
    apam wrote to Solaris <=-

    <SNIP a bunch of political ranting>

    Now, I am pissed off. This is the kind of message the no politics
    rule is meant to prevent. This is why I try and say, politics
    elsewhere please.

    Don't worry Avon, I won't be writting any follow ups to this. I
    think people need to be aware that there are others with
    different view points than there own. It's not because we're to
    timid and afraid of our feelings being hurt. It's because we want
    this to be a place where politics is set aside and we can have
    meaningful conversation.

    So, it wasn't OK for the original poster to say something political,
    but it is perfectly OK for you to go on a lengthy rant about it all,
    even after you asked him in a previous post to not post political
    stuff here.

    Is that about right?

    It's a classic example of what we here in the USA call the Liberal
    Double Standard. "Rules for thee, but not for me".


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  • From apam@21:1/182 to Gamgee on Mon Nov 22 11:30:26 2021
    So, it wasn't OK for the original poster to say something political,
    but it is perfectly OK for you to go on a lengthy rant about it all,
    even after you asked him in a previous post to not post political
    stuff here.

    No it's not and I apologised for that part. But really. Way to miss the
    point to suit your agenda.

    Andrew

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  • From Solaris@21:2/1202 to hdt on Sun Nov 21 21:58:26 2021
    anything about anti-vax) we had a 5km (3 miles) limit from our home meaning we can only travel that far to go to the shops or exercise, you

    I don't know how cities over lets say 20k people are laid out , I cant imagine its much different there here in the US. But where I live the population is like 22k , just big enough to called a city . the nearest major store is 7 miles away . what if say your roof leaks and you need stuff from the next city over , for me thats like 10 miles away . what do you do if work is like mine at 37 miles away how do you go to work . I could not imagine such a hard restriction .

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  • From hdt@21:3/137 to Solaris on Mon Nov 22 14:22:26 2021
    Well I'm happy it's over... for now. It's back to something that's resembles normal or as normal as it could be. No more restictions (except for mask in shopping centers what US calls Malls). I'm able to go into the office and go anywhere I want.

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  • From Gamgee@21:2/138 to apam on Sun Nov 21 21:51:00 2021
    apam wrote to Gamgee <=-

    So, it wasn't OK for the original poster to say something political,
    but it is perfectly OK for you to go on a lengthy rant about it all,
    even after you asked him in a previous post to not post political
    stuff here.

    No it's not and I apologised for that part. But really. Way to
    miss the point to suit your agenda.

    I didn't miss any point. I saw what everyone else saw. A political
    rant by you, after complaining about somebody else's "political" post.

    That's all.


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  • From apam@21:1/151 to Gamgee on Mon Nov 22 14:27:26 2021
    I didn't miss any point. I saw what everyone else saw. A political
    rant by you, after complaining about somebody else's "political" post.

    Saw but didn't read obviously.

    That's all.

    No doubt. Until the next political dustup where you appear from the wood
    work to stir the pot.

    Or maybe when the millionare posts something? Can't help respond to those either can you.

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  • From Avon@21:1/101 to apam on Mon Nov 22 19:39:12 2021
    On 21 Nov 2021 at 03:24p, apam pondered and said...

    Now, I am pissed off. This is the kind of message the no politics rule is meant to prevent. This is why I try and say, politics elsewhere please.

    I'm picking you were having a bad day when you wrote this?

    Don't worry Avon, I won't be writting any follow ups to this. I think people need to be aware that there are others with different view points than there own. It's not because we're to timid and afraid of our
    feelings being hurt. It's because we want this to be a place where politics is set aside and we can have meaningful conversation.

    Then I'd suggest, do as you say and drop the urge to write future echomail posts on political subjects. If you want to debate that stuff either take it to netmail or to an othernet.

    Thank you.

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  • From deon@21:2/116 to Solaris on Mon Nov 22 22:40:54 2021
    Re: Re: What is going on in Australia
    By: Solaris to hdt on Sun Nov 21 2021 09:58 pm

    anything about anti-vax) we had a 5km (3 miles) limit from our home meaning we can only travel that far to go to the shops or
    exercise, you

    you need stuff from the next city over , for me thats like 10 miles away . what do you do if work is like mine at 37 miles away how do
    you go to work . I could not imagine such a hard restriction .

    So it wasnt that "hard".

    Melbourne is a city of 5 million (or so), and the state of victoria has 6.6m (or so).

    The 5klm rule, while at some times applied to the state, was actually 5klm or the closest which ever the less.


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  • From Gamgee@21:2/138 to apam on Mon Nov 22 07:34:00 2021
    apam wrote to Gamgee <=-

    I didn't miss any point. I saw what everyone else saw. A political
    rant by you, after complaining about somebody else's "political" post.

    Saw but didn't read obviously.

    That's all.

    No doubt. Until the next political dustup where you appear from
    the wood work to stir the pot.

    You're confusing me with your own actions. Who came out of the woodwork
    at the first hint of an opportunity for a political dustup? That's
    right, it was you. All I've done is point out your hypocrisy. You're
    the one who initiated things, not so much with your first request to
    the OP about keeping politics out, but by your second, long, post which
    was nothing but political ranting. Are you familiar with the phrase:
    "Pot, meet kettle"?

    Or maybe when the millionare posts something? Can't help respond
    to those either can you.

    Again, who was the first to respond to the slightest hint of a post
    which only vaguely had the scent of "political" to it? You just can't
    resist, can you?

    I don't need your permission to respond to any post that I may choose.
    Are you attempting to apply censorship with your "entitled" attitude?
    Sorry, won't work.

    I'll not respond further, as I don't want to aggravate Avon, and/or
    the other good folks who want to keep politics out of here.



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  • From Mike Dippel@21:4/173 to apam on Mon Nov 22 14:00:56 2021
    In April of last year, I put some thoughts together about how I personally would attack Covid and did a website:
    http://covidplan.info In it, I specified that it was not political, just a common sense way to combat something that doesn't care about politics. It can hit anyone. I received a lot of bad comments from those people that were against mandates, so I never pushed it afterwards.

    I live live in the United States, and wish we WERE united. Enough said.

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  • From Arelor@21:2/138 to Mike Dippel on Mon Nov 22 16:15:14 2021
    Re: Re: What is going on in Australia
    By: Mike Dippel to apam on Mon Nov 22 2021 02:00 pm

    In April of last year, I put some thoughts together about how I personally would attack Covid and did a website:
    http://covidplan.info In it, I specified that it was not political, just a common sense way to combat something that doesn't care about politics. It c hit anyone. I received a lot of bad comments from those people that were against mandates, so I never pushed it afterwards.


    I have not checked the site yet (no web browser here), but I wanted to leave a comment.

    Every single time somebody writes something to the effect of "There ought to be a law" or "This law must not come to pass," it becomes both political and ideological, automatically. This is so even if it is not partisan (which, in my experience, it becomes anyway).

    Politics is the "technique" with which groups of people are managed. Ideology is a set of both goals and methods with which to do politics. As soon as you try to herd a group of people into accomplishing a given goal you are doing politics because you are trying to manage the group into behaving a certain way.

    I say this because my experience in college was that student associations were always protesting and gluing posters to the walls, making political demands and spitting hate against specific sets of politicians. However, when it was pointed to them that political advocacy in college grounds is outright illegal, they defended themselves by sayin "We are apolitical. We are not affiliated to any political party."

    The issue is that stating something as simple as "Budget for X should be expanded, at the expense of budget for Y" is a political declaration, even if it has no political party behind it. In the case of student groups, non surprisingly, when you dig enough you end up finding a political party behind the fundation that funds the union that funds the students, anyway...

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  • From Avon@21:1/101 to Solaris on Tue Nov 23 16:01:42 2021
    On 20 Nov 2021 at 09:56a, Solaris pondered and said...

    Im not trying to be political I was really just trying to find out what goes on . For what ever reason we don't see any news out of there. Thats good new you guys are opening up now . Thanks for responding .

    My apologies to you Todd, looks like I misread the original intent behind your original post. The joys of written communications eh? :)

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  • From Avon@21:1/101 to Blue White on Tue Nov 23 16:10:56 2021
    On 20 Nov 2021 at 10:13a, Blue White pondered and said...

    Because he is asking Australia-specific questions, that might prove more difficult. I rarely see any folks from down-under in the politics echos on othernets/fido. North Americans, oh yeah. Europeans, some. Aussies and Kiwis seem more likely to either lurk or avoid them. That is
    probably wise.

    I guess also there's not that many of us on FTN networks etc. compared to folks Stateside and in Europe? That's just a guess on my part.

    Is there a good internet source that those interested could check for Australian and/or NZ news, or are they all as bad as ours? :)

    Well for New Zealand news I'd recommend our independent public broadcaster RNZ. You can find their website at rnz.co.nz and we also have a couple of free to air broadcasters one is state owned and commercially funded - Television New Zealand (tvnz.co.nz) and their 1news (1news.co.nz) news service. There's also a commercially owned and operated TV news service called Newshub and their site is newshub.co.nz

    If I had to pick one, I'd go for RNZ :)

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  • From Avon@21:1/101 to deon on Tue Nov 23 16:34:54 2021
    On 22 Nov 2021 at 10:40p, deon pondered and said...

    Melbourne is a city of 5 million (or so), and the state of victoria has 6.6m (or so).

    I think in New Zealand we're up to approx 5.5 million in total Ha!

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  • From Avon@21:1/101 to Gamgee on Tue Nov 23 16:48:22 2021
    On 22 Nov 2021 at 07:34a, Gamgee pondered and said...

    I'll not respond further, as I don't want to aggravate Avon, and/or
    the other good folks who want to keep politics out of here.

    Thank you, appreciate that.

    It's clear that you guys can and do butt heads on some things at times, but I'd encourage you both to seek out those subjects and topics that you feel you can discuss (away from politics) without discord creeping in.

    BBSing and other tech stuff seems like a good place to base them in to me... that's assuming you guys do want to chat about other stuff :)

    My 2 cents.

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  • From phiax@21:1/172 to Solaris on Mon Nov 22 19:01:10 2021
    Labour party and conservative , I assume the labor party is basically democratic , I like learning about world governments and how they work
    ...

    Actually the split in the two party system is kind of weird. Because there
    are only two categories, it's harder to map 1-to-1 with other countries.

    AU labor is like the lefter 1/2 of the US democratic party. Most of the party leadership in the democratic party would be considered either slightly right
    or centrist. May countries have a liberal party, which is pro-corporate and neoliberal, but socially more left [but not very]. Hell, much of the "old guard" republicans are center-right and neoliberal/pro-corporate like the majority of their Capital Hill "opponents" (which kind of tells you why billionaires and mega corporations give to both candidates). The primary difference between the two major parties in the US are actually what thing
    they pay lip service to: small government [while creating policy against
    that] or social justice [while creating policy that in may ways prevents
    civil and social equity in any meaningful sense].

    So the map in the US is indeed very weird, especially right now with the high level of identitarianism and Red team Blue team posturing. The realist in me sees this as hegemonic controls of the ruling class [the rich] constructing a simulacrum of political discourse and controlling the boundaries of what can
    be discussed as politics, but I digress...

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  • From Mickey@21:1/156.1 to Avon on Tue Nov 23 09:35:02 2021
    I'll not respond further, as I don't want to aggravate Avon,
    It's clear that you guys can and do butt heads on some things at
    topics that you feel you can discuss (away from politics) without
    discord creeping in.

    I'll discuss anything with anyone but remember, I am usually right (in my
    own mind), and should we have a disagreement, remember rule #1.

    I thought I was wrong ONCE, but in the end, I was just mistaken.



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  • From Solaris@21:2/1202 to Avon on Tue Nov 23 10:47:00 2021
    My apologies to you Todd, looks like I misread the original intent
    behind your original post. The joys of written communications eh? :)

    No worries :)

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  • From poindexter FORTRAN@21:4/122 to deon on Mon Nov 22 07:06:00 2021
    deon wrote to Solaris <=-

    Secondly, I live near the beach, with kids and for the last 2 years
    we've walked along the beach pretty much daily - if anything to get out
    of our house while the state has gone through various stages of
    lockdown (while this virus has been causing havoc).

    Here in California, during lockdown as long as you were using the beach to surf, walk, jog, were keeping your distance and not just sitting at the
    beach it was allowed. If you looked like a household going out together,
    you'd keep walking. Groups of obviously non-related teens would be asked to stay away. Once you started setting out towels, coolers, umbrellas, etc,
    you'd be asked to leave.




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  • From poindexter FORTRAN@21:4/122 to hdt on Mon Nov 22 07:12:00 2021
    hdt wrote to Solaris <=-

    Well I'm happy it's over... for now. It's back to something that's resembles normal or as normal as it could be. No more restictions
    (except for mask in shopping centers what US calls Malls). I'm able to
    go into the office and go anywhere I want.

    We're going into the holiday season with a mandatory indoor mask mandate, trying to quell a surge in Covid cases before it starts. My entire family is now vaccinated, and we're scheduling booster shots.

    We've spent the past 2 years upgrading my home network, landscaping the back yard, adding a standalone shed/studio in the garden, and are finishing up a kitchen remodel. Dare I say, if we do need to lock down again we're in
    better shape than we were in 2020. :|


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  • From Avon@21:1/101 to Mickey on Wed Nov 24 11:14:22 2021
    On 23 Nov 2021 at 09:35a, Mickey pondered and said...

    I'll discuss anything with anyone but remember, I am usually right (in my own mind), and should we have a disagreement, remember rule #1.

    Yeah I'm a legend in my own lunchbox too :)

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  • From Arelor@21:2/138 to poindexter FORTRAN on Thu Nov 25 04:01:08 2021
    Re: Re: What is going on in Australia
    By: poindexter FORTRAN to deon on Mon Nov 22 2021 07:06 am

    Here in California, during lockdown as long as you were using the beach to surf, walk, jog, were keeping your distance and not just sitting at the beach it was allowed. If you looked like a household going out together, you'd keep walking. Groups of obviously non-related teens would be asked to stay away. Once you started setting out towels, coolers, umbrellas, etc, you'd be asked to leave.


    Hey they essentially placed everybody under domiciliary arrest, and nobody was allowed on the streets if it was not for walking a pet, doing essential groceries or working at some strategical sector.

    I had a very nice time during the lockdown because I spent it tending the harvest. People living in a small city appartment had a really bad time. Suicide cases skyrocketed here and nobody wonders why.


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  • From Arelor@21:2/138 to poindexter FORTRAN on Thu Nov 25 04:04:00 2021
    Re: Re: What is going on in Australia
    By: poindexter FORTRAN to hdt on Mon Nov 22 2021 07:12 am

    We're going into the holiday season with a mandatory indoor mask mandate, trying to quell a surge in Covid cases before it starts. My entire family is now vaccinated, and we're scheduling booster shots.


    The way I am facing the risks of family Xmast meetings is by not having family Xmast meetings.

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  • From Ogg@21:4/106.21 to Arelor on Thu Nov 25 08:02:00 2021
    Hello Arelor!

    ** On Thursday 25.11.21 - 04:01, Arelor wrote to poindexter FORTRAN:

    I had a very nice time during the lockdown because I spent it tending the harvest. People living in a small city appartment had a really bad time. Suicide cases skyrocketed here and nobody wonders why.

    And you had equines that needed you. That probably is part of
    the "nice time".

    One of the common catch-phrases that was touted by the gov't/
    media was "Stay home. Stay safe." Then it changed to "Stay
    home. Save lives." However, many elective and emergency
    surgeries were cancelled or postponed. Routine visits to
    physicians didn't happen either. Consequently, a new
    demographic of "lives" got sick or sicker or died as a result
    of this disruption, and not because of the c-bug. How ironic.


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  • From Arelor@21:2/138 to Ogg on Thu Nov 25 07:18:24 2021
    Re: What is going on in Australia
    By: Ogg to Arelor on Thu Nov 25 2021 08:02 am

    I had a very nice time during the lockdown because I spent it tending th harvest. People living in a small city appartment had a really bad time. Suicide cases skyrocketed here and nobody wonders why.

    And you had equines that needed you. That probably is part of
    the "nice time".


    The horses are an integral part of tending the harvest. They make bad weeds disappear and encourage me to keep working from the other side of the fence. They love watching what I am doing because they know I am always gonna give them some piece of plant through the fence :-P

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  • From poindexter FORTRAN@21:4/122 to Arelor on Fri Nov 26 08:51:00 2021
    Arelor wrote to poindexter FORTRAN <=-

    Hey they essentially placed everybody under domiciliary arrest, and
    nobody was allowed on the streets if it was not for walking a pet,
    doing essential groceries or working at some strategical sector.

    If we'd done that earlier, like a hard lockdown in April of 2020, I bet the
    US would be in a better position.

    I had a very nice time during the lockdown because I spent it tending
    the harvest. People living in a small city appartment had a really bad time. Suicide cases skyrocketed here and nobody wonders why.

    I think they all know. I am fortunate, I had 2 kids remote schooling in
    2020, but we have 2 outdoor spaces and everyone has their workspace (kids bedrooms big enough for a decent-sized desk, homelab/office for me, and a separate office area in our bedroom for my wife).

    I think of the single tech workers who bought studio condos in San Francisco and went out every night before the pandemic, I can't imagine what a toll
    the lack of social outlet and isolation would take mentally.


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  • From poindexter FORTRAN@21:4/122 to Arelor on Fri Nov 26 08:53:00 2021
    Arelor wrote to poindexter FORTRAN <=-

    The way I am facing the risks of family Xmast meetings is by not having family Xmast meetings.

    I went to a family thanksgiving dinner yesterday with extended family that lives out of state. Not sure what my family was thinking with that,
    especially given that they came from a state that's had a poor response to Covid.


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  • From Arelor@21:2/138 to poindexter FORTRAN on Sun Nov 28 12:49:18 2021
    Re: Re: What is going on in Australia
    By: poindexter FORTRAN to Arelor on Fri Nov 26 2021 08:51 am

    Arelor wrote to poindexter FORTRAN <=-

    Hey they essentially placed everybody under domiciliary arrest, and nobody was allowed on the streets if it was not for walking a pet, doing essential groceries or working at some strategical sector.

    If we'd done that earlier, like a hard lockdown in April of 2020, I bet the US would be in a better position.


    I don't know. The problem with lockdowns is that for them to work they have to be too
    tight to be practical.

    The problem with Spanish lockdowns is that the government would force the closure of
    anything that was not deemed essential. That usually meant that in a given family,
    only one or two people would go out to work. Once at work, they could get infected
    there, return home and infect their families anyway.

    So, lockdowns are like anything else: a mitigation you throw in but you cannot trust
    to be a solution in itself.

    I am kind of sore because all throughout the lockdown, the government was deflating
    infection numbers as to keep the population calm. The hospitals were I had known
    doctors worked in had instructions not to register anything as a covid case ifthe
    patient didn't have bilatral pneumony, for example, so some patient could come in with
    a lung completely trashed and he would be registered as something else. Same with
    doctors that had symthoms: a lot of doctors with suspicious cough and fever were kept
    working because there was manpower shortage, nobody wanted to spread panic, so none of
    those cases were registered as anything.

    I understand the reasons, but I think it was dirty play and falsified the impact of
    the pandemic in the eyes of the public.


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  • From Ogg@21:4/106.21 to Arelor on Sun Nov 28 14:30:00 2021
    Hello Arelor!

    ** On Sunday 28.11.21 - 12:49, Arelor wrote to poindexter FORTRAN:

    I am kind of sore because all throughout the lockdown, the government was deflating infection numbers as to keep the population calm. The hospitals were I had known doctors worked in had instructions not to register..

    [...]

    I understand the reasons, but I think it was dirty play and falsified the impact of the pandemic in the eyes of the public.

    I think its the complete opposite here in NA. Doctors are
    expected to deem every person with covid-like symptoms as a
    "case". Some people get sent home to isolate and wait it out,
    and, if it is bad enough that you can't breathe, the person is
    admitted to stay in the hospital. The media reports rising
    numbers, increased "cases", etc.

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  • From Arelor@21:2/138 to Ogg on Sun Nov 28 16:00:42 2021
    Re: What is going on in Australia
    By: Ogg to Arelor on Sun Nov 28 2021 02:30 pm

    I think its the complete opposite here in NA. Doctors are
    expected to deem every person with covid-like symptoms as a
    "case". Some people get sent home to isolate and wait it out,
    and, if it is bad enough that you can't breathe, the person is
    admitted to stay in the hospital. The media reports rising
    numbers, increased "cases", etc.

    I don't think they are minimizing the number of cases these days since they no longer
    need to do it to prevent panic. The current panic prevention mechanism is rolling the
    shots as fast as possible so the population feels something is being done.

    The problem I have with that is they have achieved the ugly effect that people has
    completely stopped being careful as a result.

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  • From M1ch43l@21:4/121 to poindexter FORTRAN on Wed Dec 1 10:04:42 2021
    Re: Re: What is going on in Australia
    By: poindexter FORTRAN to deon on Mon Nov 22 2021 07:06:00

    deon wrote to Solaris <=-
    Here in California, during lockdown as long as you were using the beach to surf, walk, jog, were keeping your distance and not just sitting at the beach it was allowed. If you looked like a household going out together, you'd keep walking. Groups of obviously non-related teens would be asked to stay away. Once you started setting out towels, coolers, umbrellas, etc, you'd be asked to leave.

    I just love living in Europe, Netherlands to be specific. Not all of those strict rules. We didn't had any hard lockdown and are allowed to leave our homes, except for a night curfew which lasted for about 2 months in January of 2021.

    The world is going mad about Covid. Scary to see what is happening in Australia and NZ. Let's hope this won't last a few more years.

    Greetingz,

    M1ch43l

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  • From Greenlfc@21:2/150 to M1ch43l on Wed Dec 1 07:22:52 2021
    On 01 Dec 2021, M1ch43l said the following...

    I just love living in Europe, Netherlands to be specific. Not all of
    those strict rules. We didn't had any hard lockdown and are allowed to leave our homes, except for a night curfew which lasted for about 2
    months in January of 2021.


    Here in Oklahoma, USA, very few people care about the 'rona. Under 10% are masking and I just saw my first double masker in three months the other day. We're almost normal here. Someone I know who does works on Covid patients said there aren't many people on her floor in the hospital, so we must be doing something right.

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  • From Arelor@21:2/138 to M1ch43l on Wed Dec 1 13:35:00 2021
    Re: Re: What is going on in Australia
    By: M1ch43l to poindexter FORTRAN on Wed Dec 01 2021 10:04 am

    Re: Re: What is going on in Australia
    By: poindexter FORTRAN to deon on Mon Nov 22 2021 07:06:00

    deon wrote to Solaris <=-
    Here in California, during lockdown as long as you were using the beach to sur
    walk, jog, were keeping your distance and not just sitting at the beach it wa
    allowed. If you looked like a household going out together, you'd keep walkin
    Groups of obviously non-related teens would be asked to stay away. Once you
    started setting out towels, coolers, umbrellas, etc, you'd be asked to leave.

    I just love living in Europe, Netherlands to be specific. Not all of those strict
    rules. We didn't had any hard lockdown and are allowed to leave our homes, except f
    a night curfew which lasted for about 2 months in January of 2021.

    The world is going mad about Covid. Scary to see what is happening in Australia and
    NZ. Let's hope this won't last a few more years.

    Greetingz,

    M1ch43l

    M1ch43l

    The Swiss recently voted measures which will last to 2031, so I think the political
    repercussions will stay far longer than the virus or the panic caused by it.

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  • From Arelor@21:2/138 to Greenlfc on Wed Dec 1 13:38:18 2021
    Re: Re: What is going on in Australia
    By: Greenlfc to M1ch43l on Wed Dec 01 2021 07:22 am

    On 01 Dec 2021, M1ch43l said the following...

    I just love living in Europe, Netherlands to be specific. Not all of those strict rules. We didn't had any hard lockdown and are allowed to leave o
    homes, except for a night curfew which lasted for about 2
    months in January of 2021.


    Here in Oklahoma, USA, very few people care about the 'rona. Under 10% are masking
    and I just saw my first double masker in three months the other day. We're almost
    normal here. Someone I know who does works on Covid patients said there aren't man
    people on her floor in the hospital, so we must be doing something right.

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    Well, in Spain we didn't have much hospitalary overload (in my area) because if somebody above age 70 showed up with suspicious symthoms, we sent him home with a
    morphine kit \o/ \o/ \o/

    Hard to fill up hospitals if you reject patients.

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  • From poindexter FORTRAN@21:4/122 to Greenlfc on Fri Dec 3 06:59:00 2021
    Greenlfc wrote to M1ch43l <=-

    Here in Oklahoma, USA, very few people care about the 'rona. Under 10% are masking and I just saw my first double masker in three months the other day. We're almost normal here. Someone I know who does works on Covid patients said there aren't many people on her floor in the
    hospital, so we must be doing something right.

    667k cases and 10,879 deaths out of 4 million people. New cases down to
    around 100 a day.


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