• Re: Tabletop war and roleplaying games

    From Commodore Clifford@21:3/171 to Abbub on Wed May 17 00:47:40 2023
    On 13 May 23 08:30:29 Abbub wrote...

    Yeah... drinking "mountain dew" and "attacking the darkness" just
    like old times.

    Well, my 'mature' gaming group has mostly graduated from 'mountain
    dew' to 'craft beer', but other than that, it's pretty much just like
    it used to be.

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    To which Commodore Clifford replies...

    It was a reference to a Dr. Demento skit. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T5t-y_ENDlo

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  • From Commodore Clifford@21:3/171 to hollowone on Wed May 17 00:53:46 2023
    On 15 May 23 10:25:55 hollowone wrote...

    I'm perhaps to old to adopt D&D online sessions. I miss the vibe of
    all these discussions and side discussions, smell of the memory of
    the die rolled.

    To which Commodore Clifford replies...

    You sure that's not just the smell of the unwasshed gamers? :)

    Every once in awhile, I get reminded that this isn't just a myth when I
    used to go to the gaming nights at the local store.

    But the funniest was the last time I went to Gencon, I stayed in a suite
    nearby (the kind with a separate sitting area and full kitchen with stove/oven/full fridge, etc.) Nice high-end place.

    No soap... None at all... None in the bathroom or kitchen.

    I went to the front desk and said "you know, it's only a myth that gamers
    don't bathe". He looked confused until I explained. :)

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  • From Commodore Clifford@21:3/171 to hollowone on Wed May 17 00:58:56 2023
    On 16 May 23 01:24:28 hollowone wrote...

    yeah.. finding groups is tough. I would still like to have
    something going. but I also have to admit I am not really open
    to new roleplaying games and gamers, I find creativity really lacking.. I love old school systems and people who really like
    to "get into the character" and play everythign about the
    character - its bonuses and flaws.


    Yeah, I'm turning over to old friends to address this. But as we all
    live in different places, sometimes even different countries, it's
    hard to organize too, especially if you don't believe online
    connection can substitute the meeting.

    To which Commodore Clifford replies...

    The online thing can work though... I find it works best in situations
    where people already have known each other in person. There was a D&D
    group at the last place I worked. I didn't join in on their sessions but
    it started out in person. Then they had a guy from the Arkansas office
    who wanted to play. So they'd sit around the table and have a laptop
    with MS Teams for him. Pretty soon, as the weather got bad, they'd just
    do the whole thing over teams.

    It worked well for them because having played together (the Arkansas guy
    got to play in person a couple times when there would be business related meetings that got him flown out here) the relationships were fully
    formed, so playing "remotely" didn't feel as "remote".

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  • From Arelor@21:2/138 to hollowone on Wed May 17 15:42:48 2023
    Re: Re: Tabletop war and roleplaying games
    By: hollowone to Arelor on Tue May 16 2023 01:28 am

    GUPRS feels like the Gentoo of RPGs in that they don't give you a syste which is ready to go out of the box: they give you a massive set of tools, and you combine modules from here and there to make what you nee

    If you compare that to all the supplementary DnD books from 80s and 90s. I d


    Well, even during the OGL orgy of 3rd party supplements, the corebooks were sold as an standalone game you could add on. If you check GURPS 4e corebooks, it is obvious you are intended to use it as a game building toolkit.

    As mentioned earlier, there are pre-built GURPS games but I don't think they are the focus of the publisher.

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  • From hollowone@21:2/150 to Commodore Clifford on Thu May 18 01:55:40 2023
    I went to the front desk and said "you know, it's only a myth that gamers don't bathe". He looked confused until I explained. :)

    Hilarious ;)

    But yes, you're correct. In old days, when we were younger both conventions and demo scene parties to me were about partying and integrating with people, and the sleeping room was quite often at the venue. Nobody was thinking about hygiene too much...

    Now I can't imagine a proper quality hotel room when I think about logistics related to such events.

    -h1

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  • From hollowone@21:2/150 to Commodore Clifford on Thu May 18 01:57:42 2023
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    It worked well for them because having played together (the Arkansas guy got to play in person a couple times when there would be business related meetings that got him flown out here) the relationships were fully
    formed, so playing "remotely" didn't feel as "remote".

    Perhaps that makes sense. I'll think about it, and yeah.. relationship is always the key to make things easier together.

    -h1

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  • From Darklord@21:3/171 to Commodore Clifford on Sun May 21 23:55:32 2023
    On 13 May 23 07:28:32 Commodore Clifford wrote...

    To which Commodore Clifford replies...

    Yeah... drinking "mountain dew" and "attacking the darkness" just
    like old times.

    To which Darklord replies...

    There ya go, that's the spirit...! :)


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  • From Darklord@21:3/171 to Commodore Clifford on Sun May 21 23:57:30 2023
    On 13 May 23 07:32:56 Commodore Clifford wrote...

    To which Commodore Clifford replies...

    Really man... This year since I resolved the transportation situation
    so late I'm probably going to miss Gencon this year. Might try
    Origins since that's just in Columbus and the bosses boss will
    probably want me in town that week anyway. But next year, if you
    want we could meet up (probably bring the son along) for some good
    times.

    One of my biggest regrets was never going with my dad. He was more
    into the WWII miniture games, but never got to do one of those big
    ones. I finally got into a massive on at Gencon the year after he
    passed and I just couldn't shake the feeling about how he would have
    loved it.

    There's just nothing like being in a whole convention hall of people playing games like this (and some of these guys go all out) with like minded people you've never met.

    To which Darklord replies...

    That sounds like a great plan! Maybe sometime when you're on vacation and
    not planning on going anywhere.


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  • From Commodore Clifford@21:3/171 to hollowone on Sun May 28 12:46:24 2023
    On 18 May 23 01:55:41 hollowone wrote...

    But yes, you're correct. In old days, when we were younger both
    conventions and demo scene parties to me were about partying and integrating with people, and the sleeping room was quite often at the venue. Nobody was thinking about hygiene too much...

    Now I can't imagine a proper quality hotel room when I think about logistics related to such events.

    To which Commodore Clifford replies...

    It's been awhile since I went to a convention and saw a "sleeping room"
    for sure. I remember a convention that used to be held at the local
    university the weekend at the end of spring break (meaning back to class Monday). It was a Friday-Sunday afternoon thing and we used to declare
    "SLEEP IS FOR THE WEAK!"

    By Sunday night it was more "THE WEEK IS FOR SLEEP!"

    They would have 24-7 anime showings at the university theater in the
    student center where the convention was held. Was a decent place to take
    a power nap and not have anyone notice. :)

    Was a damn shame that when I went back to finish the degree, someone had
    been screwy with the money and the university wasn't going to allow the convention to happen again until that was resolved. :(

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  • From Commodore Clifford@21:3/171 to Darklord on Sun May 28 12:48:44 2023
    On 21 May 23 23:55:32 Darklord wrote...

    On 13 May 23 07:28:32 Commodore Clifford wrote...

    To which Commodore Clifford replies...

    Yeah... drinking "mountain dew" and "attacking the darkness" just
    like old times.

    To which Darklord replies...

    There ya go, that's the spirit...! :)

    To which Commodore Clifford replies...

    Bet you had your fair share of saying "I cast MAGIC MISSILE!!!"

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  • From Commodore Clifford@21:3/171 to Darklord on Sun May 28 12:50:34 2023
    On 21 May 23 23:57:30 Darklord wrote...

    That sounds like a great plan! Maybe sometime when you're on vacation
    and not planning on going anywhere.

    To which Commodore Clifford replies...

    Well..... usually if I'm actually on "vacation" I'm planning to go there.
    :)

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  • From Darklord@21:3/171 to Commodore Clifford on Sun May 28 22:59:04 2023
    On 28 May 23 12:48:44 Commodore Clifford wrote...

    To which Commodore Clifford replies...

    Bet you had your fair share of saying "I cast MAGIC MISSILE!!!"

    To which Darklord replies...

    Actually no. I typically play melee characters. I don't recall ever
    playing a character that had the ability to cast Magic Missile. :)

    I love Fighters and BattleClerics, as well as a couple of other, more specialized classes (depending on what version you're playing) such as
    Cavalier in Pathfinder or the Holy Avenger in 4e. Oath of Enmity for the
    win!


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  • From hollowone@21:2/150 to Darklord on Mon May 29 00:49:00 2023
    Actually no. I typically play melee characters. I don't recall ever playing a character that had the ability to cast Magic Missile. :)

    Oh come on... and how about that mountain dwarf who farted it every dinner, especially if an elf was close by, at the table? :>

    I'm sure that would be politically incorrect and racist to play dwarf like that today...

    -h1

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  • From Commodore Clifford@21:3/171 to Darklord on Mon May 29 07:46:08 2023
    On 28 May 23 22:59:04 Darklord wrote...

    Actually no. I typically play melee characters. I don't recall ever
    playing a character that had the ability to cast Magic Missile. :)

    I love Fighters and BattleClerics, as well as a couple of other, more specialized classes (depending on what version you're playing) such
    as Cavalier in Pathfinder or the Holy Avenger in 4e. Oath of Enmity
    for the win!

    To which Commodore Clifford replies...

    Honestly, I skipped most of 3rd and 4th ed D&D. We played 2nd my first
    time through college. We had just started looking at 3rd when we all
    kinda went our separate ways. I bought the player's handbook, but I
    don't know if I ever even got the DM guide (and usually, that's my first
    two purchases together). I didn't touch or think about the game really
    until I went back to finish the degree, and by then 5th edition was
    coming out.

    And now... googling the date on that.... am I hearing right? They're
    ending 5th edition now?

    Now it's "One D&D"? Why not "D&D X"?

    Well... need to read up on that. So much for being productive on the
    last day of the long weekend.

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  • From hollowone@21:2/150 to Commodore Clifford on Mon May 29 12:21:20 2023
    And now... googling the date on that.... am I hearing right? They're ending 5th edition now?

    You haven't missed much. Modern DnD (5e) is safe narrative like if you watched Disney while expecting Burton's imagination.

    ODD variances, PathFinder and coming back to 2e plus customization of rules (like Player's Options that basically create 3e feeling) can keep you busy with DnD until end of your life.. you just need to find bargain prices as books can be expensive or buy PDFs and self-print and bind them (which is my way).

    I'd totally skip D&D to other variances of similar rules but I have huge sentiment to it's old worlds and narrative that WOTC desperately wants to keep nice and friendly and politically correct to match current WOKE generation of people who seek racism, sexism and other injustice in its past fantasies.


    Now it's "One D&D"? Why not "D&D X"?

    yeah, more disney, less books.. all online

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  • From Arelor@21:2/138 to Commodore Clifford on Mon May 29 17:30:26 2023
    Re: Re: Tabletop war and roleplaying games
    By: Commodore Clifford to Darklord on Mon May 29 2023 07:46 am

    And now... googling the date on that.... am I hearing right? They're
    ending 5th edition now?

    Now it's "One D&D"? Why not "D&D X"?

    It has already been talked about, so in order not to repeat the whole thread:

    Summary is they want to turn the next iteration of DnD into a rolling release that you access over a subscription model.

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  • From Arelor@21:2/138 to Commodore Clifford on Mon May 29 17:43:38 2023
    Re: Re: Tabletop war and roleplaying games
    By: Commodore Clifford to Darklord on Mon May 29 2023 07:46 am

    Honestly, I skipped most of 3rd and 4th ed D&D. We played 2nd my first

    By the way, I think missing 4th Edition is not missing much. It had some good ideas but also massive flaws, and it didn't feel like DnD at all. They should have sold it as a skirmishing game under a different name, in my opinion.

    Lots of people swear for 3rd edition (and that is why we have Pathfinder today). I personally find it a bit too burdensome to play.

    I tend to like 5th Edition. It manages to be very "gamey" without being slow or heavy on technicalities. It also feels like a family version of something that was dark and then was watered down - just as if they remade the original Frankenstein movie and removed the haunting parts in order to make it more PG friendly. This is the reason why I like it, but not "that much" :-)



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  • From Darklord@21:3/171 to Commodore Clifford on Tue May 30 00:07:44 2023
    On 29 May 23 07:46:08 Commodore Clifford wrote...

    To which Commodore Clifford replies...

    Honestly, I skipped most of 3rd and 4th ed D&D. We played 2nd my
    first time through college. We had just started looking at 3rd when
    we all kinda went our separate ways. I bought the player's handbook,
    but I don't know if I ever even got the DM guide (and usually, that's
    my first two purchases together). I didn't touch or think about the
    game really until I went back to finish the degree, and by then 5th
    edition was coming out.

    And now... googling the date on that.... am I hearing right? They're ending 5th edition now?

    Now it's "One D&D"? Why not "D&D X"?

    Well... need to read up on that. So much for being productive on the
    last day of the long weekend.

    To which Darklord replies...

    I think most people are calling it " 6 "... :)



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  • From Darklord@21:3/171 to hollowone on Tue May 30 00:15:00 2023
    On 29 May 23 00:49:00 hollowone wrote...

    Oh come on... and how about that mountain dwarf who farted it every
    dinner, especially if an elf was close by, at the table? :>

    I'm sure that would be politically incorrect and racist to play dwarf
    like that today...

    -h1


    To which Darklord replies...

    Methinks you're confusing "Putrid" Missile with Magic Missile... :)

    And yeah, some of the politically (over)correct crowd would probably scream racial appropriation if we didn't get "real" Dwarves to play the Dwarven characters in our games... :) :) :)


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  • From hollowone@21:2/150 to Darklord on Tue May 30 01:53:26 2023
    Methinks you're confusing "Putrid" Missile with Magic Missile... :)

    Aye.. could be so matey, could be so! :)


    And yeah, some of the politically (over)correct crowd would probably scream racial appropriation if we didn't get "real" Dwarves to play the Dwarven characters in our games... :) :) :)


    Fucking elves were always fag! I kept sayin' so until I plugged a fucking arrow off my butt one day! Now I just say... fucking elves. period! :)

    Back to diggin'

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  • From Commodore Clifford@21:3/171 to Arelor on Tue May 30 13:16:08 2023
    I've heard that too about 4th edition (not missing much).

    For D&D 5... Yeah, I liked it too... but anymore I find I just don't like random groups with all that's going on (with the world and all).

    But since my friends are all old like me and have jobs... not much chance
    of getting the gang back together.

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  • From Darklord@21:3/171 to Arelor on Thu Jun 1 23:54:44 2023
    On 29 May 23 17:43:38 Arelor wrote...

    By the way, I think missing 4th Edition is not missing much. It had
    some good ideas but also massive flaws, and it didn't feel like DnD
    at all. They should have sold it as a skirmishing game under a
    different name, in my opinion.

    Lots of people swear for 3rd edition (and that is why we have
    Pathfinder today). I personally find it a bit too burdensome to play.

    I tend to like 5th Edition. It manages to be very "gamey" without
    being slow or heavy on technicalities. It also feels like a family
    version of something that was dark and then was watered down - just
    as if they remade the original Frankenstein movie and removed the
    haunting parts in order to make it more PG friendly. This is the
    reason why I like it, but not "that much" :-)


    To which Darklord replies...

    I like Pathfinder, I like 4th edition (tendency for combat to get really involved and lengthy but there are ways to get around that), and 5th
    Edition feels like "D&D Lite" to me... :)


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  • From Darklord@21:3/171 to hollowone on Thu Jun 1 23:58:54 2023
    On 30 May 23 01:53:26 hollowone wrote...

    Aye.. could be so matey, could be so! :)


    And yeah, some of the politically (over)correct crowd would
    probably scream racial appropriation if we didn't get "real"
    Dwarves to play the Dwarven characters in our games... :) :)
    :)


    Fucking elves were always fag! I kept sayin' so until I plugged a
    fucking arrow off my butt one day! Now I just say... fucking elves.
    period! :)

    Back to diggin'

    -h1


    To which Darklord replies...

    LOL...and since you're " diggin' " you might as well have a nice
    soundtrack to go along with it. Check this out (if you've not already
    seen it). :)

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=34CZjsEI1yU


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  • From hollowone@21:2/150 to Darklord on Fri Jun 2 04:48:00 2023
    LOL...and since you're " diggin' " you might as well have a nice soundtrack to go along with it. Check this out (if you've not already
    seen it). :)

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=34CZjsEI1yU

    It's played now. Thanks for sharing, much appreciated.
    I love these High Fantasy mellodic metal in styles like Blind Guarian, Nightwish or WIthin Temptation. I just added them (Wind Rose) to the bucket.

    -h1

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  • From Arelor@21:2/138 to Darklord on Sat Jun 3 06:49:14 2023
    Re: Re: Tabletop war and roleplaying games
    By: Darklord to Arelor on Thu Jun 01 2023 11:54 pm

    I like Pathfinder, I like 4th edition (tendency for combat to get really involved and lengthy but there are ways to get around that), and 5th
    Edition feels like "D&D Lite" to me... :)


    DnD 4th feels so much like a skirmishing game at its core.

    I think it plays fine as an RPG until you hit parangon tier. Past level 12 or so, you start hitting combats that are decided in a couple of rounds and then drag on and on and on despite the fact there is no longer much tension.

    It took them years to incorporate an official attempt at a fix (with one of their newer manuals featuring threats that died faster but also killed faster, therefore leading to much faster combat).

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  • From Darklord@21:3/171 to hollowone on Thu Jun 8 10:01:54 2023
    On 02 Jun 23 04:48:00 hollowone wrote...

    It's played now. Thanks for sharing, much appreciated. I love these
    High Fantasy mellodic metal in styles like Blind Guarian, Nightwish
    or WIthin Temptation. I just added them (Wind Rose) to the bucket.

    -h1

    To which Darklord replies...

    You've very welcome and I love those bands and that "style" too! :)

    First time I heard (and watched the video for) "Ice Queen", "Wishmaster"
    and songs of that ilk I was forever *hooked* !


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  • From Darklord@21:3/171 to Arelor on Thu Jun 8 10:06:14 2023
    On 03 Jun 23 06:49:15 Arelor wrote...


    DnD 4th feels so much like a skirmishing game at its core.

    I think it plays fine as an RPG until you hit parangon tier. Past
    level 12 or so, you start hitting combats that are decided in a
    couple of rounds and then drag on and on and on despite the fact
    there is no longer much tension.

    It took them years to incorporate an official attempt at a fix (with
    one of their newer manuals featuring threats that died faster but
    also killed faster, therefore leading to much faster combat).


    To which Darklord replies...

    I tend to agree - the later tiers became much more heavily involved.
    Quite a few people ( the DM especially!) complained about the number of interrupts availabe to the players and how much they derailed combat
    being streamlined.

    Our DM's tended to "home fix" the combat sessions even before the
    attempts at official fixs were made. They tended to mod existing
    opponents so that they were the proverbial "glass cannons" which made for
    much more exciting (and dangerous!) encounters but also usually over much quicker than when using the stock choices.


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  • From Jimmy Anderson@21:3/122 to Commodore Clifford on Mon Jul 17 23:24:00 2023
    Commodore Clifford wrote to Jimmy Anderson <=-

    Spent some decent time at Origins and Gencon... For a young pup at 50.

    Been to Gencon twice... Usually falls at the beginning of school,
    so I can't take off and go. :-(

    Son and daughter in law live just outside Indy, so we stayed
    with them when we went. :-)






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  • From Jimmy Anderson@21:3/122 to Commodore Clifford on Mon Jul 17 23:26:00 2023
    Commodore Clifford wrote to Jimmy Anderson <=-

    We don't have one within 2 hours of me, but Half Price Books is a
    favorite when we go to Indy...

    Just saw my quoted part here... Went to Half Price Books in
    St. Louis a few weeks ago and found a mostly unpunched
    copy of Magic Realm!

    To which Commodore Clifford replies...

    I feel fortunate that we have a friendly local game store that has
    regular gaming nights... alas, I don't attend much... been years... but knowing that I could is a great feeling.

    Yes - that's good!






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  • From Jimmy Anderson@21:3/122 to Commodore Clifford on Mon Jul 17 23:30:00 2023
    Commodore Clifford wrote to Bikerbob <=-


    I'm more a GURPS fan myself. Same set of rules, any genre you want,
    with as much/or as little realism as you like.

    SJGames fan here, but never tried GURPS...




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  • From Jimmy Anderson@21:3/122 to Arelor on Mon Jul 17 23:33:00 2023
    Arelor wrote to Commodore Clifford <=-

    Re: Re: Tabletop war and roleplaying games
    By: Commodore Clifford to Bikerbob on Tue May 09 2023 08:35 am

    I'm more a GURPS fan myself. Same set of rules, any genre you want, with
    as much/or as little realism as you like.


    I have never played GURPS myself. It looks like a wet dream for Game Masters that love to overprepare.

    GUPRS feels like the Gentoo of RPGs in that they don't give you a
    system which is ready to go out of the box: they give you a massive set
    of tools, and you combine modules from here and there to make what you need.

    It is the sort of thing I would pick if I had comitted players, just
    like Rolemaster. If you have players who want to play a month long mini-campaign and then want to try another system, you cannot really
    bet on one that takes too long to prepare.

    The Star Wars FFG rules were converted to Genisys for that same
    effect. Haven't used it for anything but Star Wars, but the
    concept is sound!




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  • From Jimmy Anderson@21:3/122 to Commodore Clifford on Mon Jul 17 23:37:00 2023
    Commodore Clifford wrote to Darklord <=-


    There's just nothing like being in a whole convention hall of people playing games like this (and some of these guys go all out) with like minded people you've never met.

    Agreed!!!




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  • From Jimmy Anderson@21:3/122 to SirRonmit on Mon Jul 17 23:39:00 2023
    SirRonmit wrote to all <=-

    For me : I did get into D&D back in the mid 80s.

    But then I came across Star Frontiers, Top Secret & Top Secret S.I.,
    and TWILIGHT:2000 (then they came out with the PC version).

    Top Secret was my first RPG to play! Bought into Twilight:2000 but
    we only played a few sessions...




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  • From Jimmy Anderson@21:3/122 to hollowone on Mon Jul 17 23:41:00 2023
    hollowone wrote to Jimmy Anderson <=-

    AD&D 2e was the first "fantasy" RPG I played, and I have
    some books in the pod (had some MAJOR floor reworking, so had
    to box up almost everything from the house - haven't pulled
    them back in yet) that I wouldn't mind getting rid of...

    Oh... I'm pretty sure shipping to Poland would not be an option...
    If it was,I'm curious what you have!

    Still haven't pulled them out - but yeah, would probably
    be cost prohibitive...




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  • From Commodore Clifford@21:3/171 to Jimmy Anderson on Tue Jul 18 23:02:42 2023
    On 17 Jul 23 23:24:00 Jimmy Anderson wrote...

    Commodore Clifford wrote to Jimmy Anderson <=-

    Spent some decent time at Origins and Gencon... For a young pup
    at 50.

    Been to Gencon twice... Usually falls at the beginning of school, so
    I can't take off and go. :-(

    Son and daughter in law live just outside Indy, so we stayed with
    them when we went. :-)
    (21:3/122)

    To which Commodore Clifford replies...

    Yeah, the timing isn't always good. And having somewhere to stay is
    nice. Though I've found sometimes you can get good deals. The one year
    I stayed at a place by the airport (even though that meant overshooting
    Indy since I'm from Ohio) and that was the year they had the shuttle, so
    not having to drive was amazing... that LaQuinta was a great deal. I
    think that suite was bigger than my actual apartment at the time and with
    the discount I got from working at Walmart back then, I was paying about
    $95 a night.

    The best year though was the year I won the hotel lottery and got a room
    booked in the hotel right across the street (just had to use the
    skywalk).

    That was the year I got to enjoy some drinking while gaming.

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  • From Commodore Clifford@21:3/171 to Jimmy Anderson on Tue Jul 18 23:04:16 2023
    On 17 Jul 23 23:30:00 Jimmy Anderson wrote...

    Commodore Clifford wrote to Bikerbob <=-


    I'm more a GURPS fan myself. Same set of rules, any genre you
    want, with as much/or as little realism as you like.

    SJGames fan here, but never tried GURPS...

    To which Commodore Clifford replies...

    If you're interested, they do offer "Gurps Lite" which is a free version
    of the rules that will get you the basics of the system.

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  • From Commodore Clifford@21:3/171 to Jimmy Anderson on Tue Jul 18 23:06:16 2023
    On 17 Jul 23 23:39:00 Jimmy Anderson wrote...

    SirRonmit wrote to all <=-

    For me : I did get into D&D back in the mid 80s.

    But then I came across Star Frontiers, Top Secret & Top Secret
    S.I., and TWILIGHT:2000 (then they came out with the PC version).

    Top Secret was my first RPG to play! Bought into Twilight:2000 but
    we only played a few sessions...

    To which Commodore Clifford replies...

    Never actually played much Star Frontiers, but I did have some of the
    books and read them often... just couldn't find a group. :(

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  • From Arelor@21:2/138 to Jimmy Anderson on Thu Jul 20 05:21:53 2023
    Re: Re: Tabletop war and roleplaying games
    By: Jimmy Anderson to Arelor on Mon Jul 17 2023 11:33 pm

    The Star Wars FFG rules were converted to Genisys for that same
    effect. Haven't used it for anything but Star Wars, but the
    concept is sound!

    The only Star Wars RPG I am pseudo-familiar with is the one from West End Games, and only because it uses the D6 engine (which I have played a couple of times).

    Which sort of system is the Star Wars one from FFG?

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  • From Arelor@21:2/138 to hollowone on Sun Oct 1 17:57:41 2023
    Re: Re: Tabletop war and roleplaying games
    By: hollowone to Arelor on Tue Sep 26 2023 12:31 pm

    Some liked it.. some wanted to roll anyway...

    There is something specially in rolling the dice. Lots of players love to do it even if they don't need to XD

    I was thinking of structured storytelling games, like Polaris, which give the players a rule framework to build a story.

    I once managed to run a Polaris game over audioconference. We had a wiki where we uploaded the sheets of the characters and we kept a log of everybody's story.

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  • From Arelor@21:2/138 to hollowone on Sun Oct 1 18:02:56 2023
    Re: Re: Tabletop war and roleplaying games
    By: hollowone to Arelor on Tue Sep 26 2023 12:33 pm

    Your narrative is way to cruel, mister :) I like cliffhangers that smell lik

    Oh, that is because I don't use save-or die.

    I use:

    case save)
    Player gets a glimpse of hope and soldiers on despite the fact there is no way on Earth he will succeed.

    case don't-save)
    Something important to the player is destroyed, such as his arms and legs, but a glimpse of hope suggests things may improve somehow, if only the Gamew Master wants to cooperate, because he can't be so bad. Sure he can't.

    And now you know why I am the guy whose reputation as a Dungeon Master is THat Dungeon Master who laughts like a Hyena

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  • From Jimmy Anderson@21:3/122 to Commodore Clifford on Mon Sep 25 08:44:00 2023
    Commodore Clifford wrote to Jimmy Anderson <=-

    On 17 Jul 23 23:24:00 Jimmy Anderson wrote...

    Yeah, the timing isn't always good. And having somewhere to stay is
    nice. Though I've found sometimes you can get good deals. The one
    year I stayed at a place by the airport (even though that meant overshooting Indy since I'm from Ohio) and that was the year they had
    the shuttle, so not having to drive was amazing... that LaQuinta was a great deal. I think that suite was bigger than my actual apartment at
    the time and with the discount I got from working at Walmart back then,
    I was paying about $95 a night.

    Now that's a deal! And the shuttle too!?! Parking is not cheap...

    The best year though was the year I won the hotel lottery and got a
    room booked in the hotel right across the street (just had to use the skywalk).

    WOW! Yeah! :-) I can imagine playing more than sleeping... ;-)




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  • From Jimmy Anderson@21:3/122 to Commodore Clifford on Mon Sep 25 08:45:00 2023
    Commodore Clifford wrote to Jimmy Anderson <=-

    On 17 Jul 23 23:30:00 Jimmy Anderson wrote...

    Commodore Clifford wrote to Bikerbob <=-


    I'm more a GURPS fan myself. Same set of rules, any genre you
    want, with as much/or as little realism as you like.

    SJGames fan here, but never tried GURPS...

    To which Commodore Clifford replies...

    If you're interested, they do offer "Gurps Lite" which is a free
    version of the rules that will get you the basics of the system.

    Yeah - I used to be an MIB so I had paper copies of that... :-)





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  • From Jimmy Anderson@21:3/122 to Arelor on Mon Sep 25 08:48:00 2023
    Arelor wrote to Jimmy Anderson <=-

    Re: Re: Tabletop war and roleplaying games
    By: Jimmy Anderson to Arelor on Mon Jul 17 2023 11:33 pm

    The Star Wars FFG rules were converted to Genisys for that same
    effect. Haven't used it for anything but Star Wars, but the
    concept is sound!

    The only Star Wars RPG I am pseudo-familiar with is the one from West
    End Games, and only because it uses the D6 engine (which I have played
    a couple of times).

    Which sort of system is the Star Wars one from FFG?

    "Narrative dice" - where you have symbols instead of numbers. You roll
    a number of 'positive dice' based on your skill, talents, help,
    equipment, etc. - and you also roll 'negative dice' based on the difficulty, environment, etc. You cancel successes with failures and you have 'other' symbols too - advantage and threat - they cancel as well. Whatever is left
    over is the result, so instead of a static D6 or D20 'pass/fail' system,
    you have "success with advantage" or "slight success with lots of advantage"
    or "failure but advantage" or "success with DISadvantage" etc.

    You use the 'other effect' to help with the narrative, or help/hinder
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  • From Arelor@21:2/138 to Jimmy Anderson on Mon Sep 25 17:14:24 2023
    Re: Re: Tabletop war and roleplaying games
    By: Jimmy Anderson to Arelor on Mon Sep 25 2023 09:48 am

    "Narrative dice" - where you have symbols instead of numbers. You roll
    PC's or NPC's, etc.

    Thanks for the info.

    It sounds like wht FFG did to Warhammer 3rd edition. Nobody I know liked it.

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  • From hollowone@21:2/150 to Arelor on Mon Oct 2 05:54:03 2023
    And now you know why I am the guy whose reputation as a Dungeon Master
    is THat Dungeon Master who laughts like a Hyena

    Heheh.. and yeah, I used to be like that in the past as well.. now as my books are just getting dust and are occasionally browsed, I miss the time I was actively running the games.

    Lots of fun that I hope will eventually come back one day.

    -h1

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  • From hollowone@21:2/150 to Arelor on Tue Sep 26 10:08:46 2023
    "Narrative dice" - where you have symbols instead of numbers. You roll PC's or NPC's, etc.

    I only know one good narrative roll.. the initiative roll :)
    It sets the narration beyond any words one can imagine!

    -h1

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  • From Arelor@21:2/138 to hollowone on Tue Sep 26 12:32:57 2023
    Re: Re: Tabletop war and roleplaying games
    By: hollowone to Arelor on Tue Sep 26 2023 11:08 am

    I only know one good narrative roll.. the initiative roll :)
    It sets the narration beyond any words one can imagine!

    I thought the real narrative roll was the save-or-die roll, muahahahahaha

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  • From Arelor@21:2/138 to hollowone on Tue Sep 26 12:33:52 2023
    Re: Re: Tabletop war and roleplaying games
    By: hollowone to Arelor on Tue Sep 26 2023 11:08 am

    I only know one good narrative roll.. the initiative roll :)
    It sets the narration beyond any words one can imagine!

    FOr the record, there are some good storytellin/narrative games out there. YOu just have to fish for them. I don't find them to work as RPGs but they scrath the same itch.

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  • From hollowone@21:2/150 to Arelor on Tue Sep 26 11:31:21 2023
    FOr the record, there are some good storytellin/narrative games out
    there. YOu just have to fish for them. I don't find them to work as RPGs but they scrath the same itch.

    Agreed and you don't need to look far. Amber was diceless by design.
    I personally was storytelling WOD games without die for years. Encouraging my palyers to be creative when they think about the dots on their character cards and I was giving handicaps and bonuses for such while I was adapting my story.

    Some liked it.. some wanted to roll anyway...

    -h1

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  • From hollowone@21:2/150 to Arelor on Tue Sep 26 11:33:55 2023
    I only know one good narrative roll.. the initiative roll :)
    It sets the narration beyond any words one can imagine!

    I thought the real narrative roll was the save-or-die roll, muahahahahaha

    Your narrative is way to cruel, mister :) I like cliffhangers that smell like a scent of suspense that has shades of gray instead of 0:1 solution :)

    Unless somebody plays Rambo who desperately wants to help police :)

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  • From claw@21:1/210 to hollowone on Wed Oct 4 06:45:26 2023
    On 02 Oct 2023, hollowone said the following...
    And now you know why I am the guy whose reputation as a Dungeon Maste is THat Dungeon Master who laughts like a Hyena

    Heheh.. and yeah, I used to be like that in the past as well.. now as my books are just getting dust and are occasionally browsed, I miss the
    time I was actively running the games.

    Lots of fun that I hope will eventually come back one day.

    -h1

    Is it a time thing or a people thing? With Foundry VTT you can play with your friends anytime all over the world.

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  • From hollowone@21:2/150 to claw on Wed Oct 4 09:35:57 2023
    Is it a time thing or a people thing? With Foundry VTT you can play
    with your friends anytime all over the world.

    Kind of both. I tried VTT but it ended up preparing tables and mostly for board games or card games than anything else. I played MtG with my son and then tried to convince him to play Battletech too.

    It worked for a while, but still he's different generation, can't blame him not to play games with his dad :>

    My own gen... let's say I'm one of few who's left interested in it. I have a project to revive it among my group of friends from home town and use VTT or something similar to play.. but we just can't sync up for the last 2 years.

    On potentially reaching out to strangers to join/play/run game... I don't trust I can prioritize that nor I have much time to develop new relations today..

    All above combined creates mostly a limitation in my head, perhaps... but still I mostly keep the books and read them occasionally.

    I found ChatGPT close to a game session as well.. not exactly that you can do RPG with the bot, but I had few conversations that my questions were indeed like if I was playing an investigation kind of game... it was cool.

    -h1

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  • From Arelor@21:2/138 to claw on Wed Oct 11 17:30:56 2023
    Re: Re: Tabletop war and roleplaying games
    By: claw to hollowone on Thu Oct 05 2023 08:28 am

    Well I have 2 kids and I'm still going to try to get them to play it. Even st our group. The app makes it like texting but you can share pictures and w group. It would be nice to not have to GM/DM all the time. All are welco ince I haven't played since I was 12. I need to know the new rules.

    I am not a super fan of playing these things online. If I am gonna go through a web interface I'd rather play a multiplayer videogame instead or a dedicated board game application (ie. an actual Terraforming Mars server, for example).

    That said, you don't need much in technical means to play an RPG online. A vioce chat with a dice bot works fine. Last time I played Polaris online I used Mumble with a custom bot for rolling dice and a wiki for players to keep track of names and events. We had a blast.

    I don't like most virtual tabletop providers because they work like silos. THey drag you in and then apply vendor lock-in on your stuff.

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  • From claw@21:1/210 to hollowone on Thu Oct 5 07:28:37 2023
    On 04 Oct 2023, hollowone said the following...
    Kind of both. I tried VTT but it ended up preparing tables and mostly
    for board games or card games than anything else. I played MtG with my
    son and then tried to convince him to play Battletech too.

    It worked for a while, but still he's different generation, can't blame him not to play games with his dad :>

    My own gen... let's say I'm one of few who's left interested in it. I
    have a project to revive it among my group of friends from home town and use VTT or something similar to play.. but we just can't sync up for the last 2 years.

    On potentially reaching out to strangers to join/play/run game... I
    don't trust I can prioritize that nor I have much time to develop new relations today..

    All above combined creates mostly a limitation in my head, perhaps...
    but still I mostly keep the books and read them occasionally.

    I found ChatGPT close to a game session as well.. not exactly that you
    can do RPG with the bot, but I had few conversations that my questions were indeed like if I was playing an investigation kind of game... it
    was cool.

    -h1

    Well I have 2 kids and I'm still going to try to get them to play it. Even if Dad is boring :p. The way I got around the whole everyone being separated is I made a Nextcloud server for with the Talk service. Its like out own private social media for just our group. The app makes it like texting but you can share pictures and see history. Share files and so on. It even has a shared calendar so you can set a schedule. Just and idea that might help you get back to it. If you are just looking for a new group. It would be nice to not have to GM/DM all the time. All are welcome on our teamspeak server. Voice.clawfest.com Just say you know Claw and everyone is pretty friendly. Right now I'm working on reading through the Dungeons and Dragons books since I haven't played since I was 12. I need to know the new rules.

    Once I can afford it I will be buying a license for Foundry VTT and setting up a server for it. Then we have the nice visual maping for the battles if nothing else.

    Let me know what you think.

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  • From hollowone@21:2/150 to claw on Thu Oct 5 10:15:45 2023
    Voice.clawfest.com

    Sounds cool. I checked your website and I finally need to visit your board this week. I can't join voice as I'm most likely geo blocked

    I'm connecting from Poland where I live. It's CET (GMT+1) as a timezone.
    What's your timezone and typical time you're active over there?

    Once I can afford it I will be buying a license for Foundry VTT and setting up a server for it. Then we have the nice visual maping for the battles if nothing else.

    I'm huge sentimentalist for ODD and up to 2nd Edition. If I want to keep it complicated like 3E, I use Skills and Powers. If this is all about dungeon crawling and rolling, then nothing else than ODD is required.

    I never got into 5e. I have a number of 3e books on my shelf, purchased already in time I had no chance to play. I heard 5e brings back oldschool vibes but still designed to attract new generation.

    Regardless ..

    Let me know what you think.

    .. if we can only match somehow in timezones or there is heads-up that makes it easier to plan, happy to try.

    -h1

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  • From claw@21:1/210 to Arelor on Thu Oct 12 06:37:59 2023
    On 11 Oct 2023, Arelor said the following...
    Well I have 2 kids and I'm still going to try to get them to play it. st our group. The app makes it like texting but you can share pictures w group. It would be nice to not have to GM/DM all the time. All are ince I haven't played since I was 12. I need to know the new rules.

    I am not a super fan of playing these things online. If I am gonna go through a web interface I'd rather play a multiplayer videogame instead
    or a dedicated board game application (ie. an actual Terraforming Mars server, for example).

    That said, you don't need much in technical means to play an RPG online.
    A vioce chat with a dice bot works fine. Last time I played Polaris
    online I used Mumble with a custom bot for rolling dice and a wiki for players to keep track of names and events. We had a blast.

    I don't like most virtual tabletop providers because they work like
    silos. THey drag you in and then apply vendor lock-in on your stuff.

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    I can see that. Well I'm settled on Foundry VTT. One time license and your done. Its my server on my hardware and had tons a customizability to grow if I want. Or as simple as I need it to be. I get the idea of playing in person but at my age must people including myself have moved and getting together isn't as easy as it used to be. So this is an option to do something we loved back in the day now. I would love it if we could all GT every Thursday but I think the flights would get expensive.

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  • From claw@21:1/210 to hollowone on Fri Oct 6 09:30:03 2023
    On 05 Oct 2023, hollowone said the following...
    Voice.clawfest.com

    Sounds cool. I checked your website and I finally need to visit your
    board this week. I can't join voice as I'm most likely geo blocked

    Strange it should be blocking anyone. we get people from all over the world connecting. It is not a website. You need the teamspeak client (Which is free) to connect to it. Teamspeak.com

    I'm connecting from Poland where I live. It's CET (GMT+1) as a timezone. What's your timezone and typical time you're active over there?


    I'm Central US I believe thats -5 GMT. I try to be on most days and am on arond 5 - 6 PM till I go to bed around 10PM and on weekends most of the time. 9 AM - 2 AM ish

    I'm huge sentimentalist for ODD and up to 2nd Edition. If I want to keep it complicated like 3E, I use Skills and Powers. If this is all about dungeon crawling and rolling, then nothing else than ODD is required.

    I never got into 5e. I have a number of 3e books on my shelf, purchased already in time I had no chance to play. I heard 5e brings back
    oldschool vibes but still designed to attract new generation.

    Regardless ..

    .. if we can only match somehow in timezones or there is heads-up that makes it easier to plan, happy to try.

    -h1

    Well It would be cool I don't mind runnig large groups so the more the better. It all just involves scaling the amount of creatures and the size of the battle areas

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  • From hollowone@21:2/150 to claw on Fri Oct 6 12:44:13 2023
    Strange it should be blocking anyone. we get people from all over the world connecting. It is not a website. You need the teamspeak client (Which is free) to connect to it. Teamspeak.com


    Oh.. I didn't know I need a client. I just tried the browser.

    I'm Central US I believe thats -5 GMT. I try to be on most days and am
    on arond 5 - 6 PM till I go to bed around 10PM and on weekends most of
    the time. 9 AM - 2 AM ish

    6h difference. your 6pm is my midnight then. No chance right now, but I'll try that teamspeak even if this is only passive attendance, one day.

    -h1

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